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<div>'''Linking templates''' are templates designed to insert a link (or links) into an ISFDB wiki page. They can serve as a shorthand for a link, so that the user need not remember the precise form of the link target. Linking templates may also format the display of the link is a preferred or standardized way.<br />
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Linking templates may create:<br />
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|Link to an ISFDB publication record display<br />
|the publication record number or tag<br />
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|'''[[:Template:T|T]]'''<br />
|Link to an ISFDB title record display<br />
|the title record number<br />
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|the series record number<br />
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|Link to an ISFDB publication series record display. {{tl|PS}} is a shorthand that does the exact same thing.<br />
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<div></div>DESiegel60https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Grymsayre&diff=280616User talk:Grymsayre2012-07-24T05:50:51Z<p>DESiegel60: /* Untold Tales */ on hold</p>
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=="The House of the Worm" and variant titles==<br />
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Just a note that I have rejected the proposed merge of "The House of the Worm" and "The Feast in the House of the Worm" and set them up as variant titles instead -- please see [[Help: How to record a variant title]] for instructions on how to handle works of fiction that have appeared either pseudonymously or under different titles. Thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 23:25, 25 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Crypt of Cthulhu'' #s 29 and 31 ==<br />
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Hi. I have your proposed additions of ''Crypt of Cthulu'' #s 29 and 31 on hold. It looks to me like they duplicate (but with much better titling and detail) the existing entries {{P|333512|Crypt of Cthulhu #29, 1985}} and {{P|295287|Crypt of Cthulhu #31, 1985}}. Rather than losing all of your data entry work, if you agree with that assessment, I will take care of combining what you did with what's there (perhaps getting rid of what's there and using yours instead, we'll see). One question: Is it really a Fanzine, or would it be more appropriately classified a Magazine? I know it's a very blurry line.... You can reply here by editing this section. Indent your response by putting a colon at the beginning of the line. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:32, 18 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Thanks for your quick and helpful response. I agree with your assessment, so combine at will. As for whether Crypt was a fanzine or a magazine, that is a thornier question. I called it a fanzine because similar publications from the same people -- Cthulhu Codex, Midnight Shambler, Tales of Lovecraftian Horror -- are so called in the database. Also the typesetting, binding and (sometimes) art had a distinctly amateurish look. On the other hand, the content was often amazing, and I happen to know that they paid for some contributions. So if you want to call it a magazine, I will not complain. Thanks again. {{unsigned|Grymsayre}}<br />
::Sounds good, thanks. I don't have any objection to fanzine, only the existing entries were classified magazine. I checked, and none is verified. So if you have some and they seem fanzine-ish to you, that's good enough for me. I've approved the submissions and have fixed them up. I will get rid of the existing entries and fix up the series as I get a chance. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 02:29, 19 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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=== Content entries ===<br />
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A couple of comments about the content entries in those submissions:<br />
*For titles that will be repeated, such as "Editorial Shards", we disambiguate by placing the issue name in parentheses after the title. E.g., "Editorial Shards (Crypt of Cthulhu #29, Summer 2011)". One the submission has been accepted, you might also want to put those titles into their own series (such as "Editorial Shards" or "Editorial Shards - Crypt of Cthulhu"). I apply both of these suggestions so that you'll be able to see what it looks like.<br />
*To make a general interiorart credit, we use the same title as for the publication, with a type of INTERIORART. No need to put "interior artwork" or anything like that in the title. If you want to credit specific instances of interior art, we use the title or caption (if there is one), otherwise the title of the story illustrated (if it illustrates one), otherwise the title of the publication; and give a page number. If more than one piece would end up with the same title, we add "[2]", "[3]", etc. to the subsequent ones. I will fix up the credits in the submissions to conform to this.<br />
Very minor, and just something to keep in mind for future submissions. Overall, the information you provided looks very good. Thank you for contributing. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:32, 18 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== More ''Crypt of Cthulhu'' ==<br />
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FYI, another editor,[[User:EDeG|EDeG]] has also started working on ''Crypt of Cthulhu''. I pointed him to the note above and suggested the two of you might coordinate your efforts. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 01:51, 22 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Crypt of Cthulhu #10 ==<br />
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I'm holding a submission that wants to change the title, editor and publication type for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?333525 this issue] of the magazine. The greatest concern is changing the editor credit to H. P. Lovecraft, Divers Hands, and Robert M. Price. How is the actual publication credited? It's unlikely that Lovecraft edited this 1982 publication several decades after his death. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:37, 24 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Yes, I thought that would get somebody's attention! The front cover reads, "ASHES/and Others/H. P. Lovecraft &/divers hands." The title page reads, "ASHES/AND OTHERS/BY/H. P. LOVECRAFT/& DIVERS HANDS/EDITED BY/ROBERT M. PRICE/A CRYPT OF CTHULHU BOOK/Miskatonic University Press/1982." The reverse title reads, "Introductory material/and cover art/Copyright c 1982/by Robert M. Price/Crypt of Cthulhu/35 Elmbrook Place/Bloomfield, NJ 07003." The last paragraph and sign-off of the Introduction (page 3) reads "Finally, an explanatory note: the present collection does not follow the format of an ordinary issue of Crypt of Cthulhu, but it counts as Volume 2, Number 2, in the series. And it is the first of two parts in that Volume 2, Number 3, though it will resume the usual format, will feature articles expounding and commenting on Lovecraft's revisions. These will include, among others, 'Lovecraft's Revisions--How Much of Them Did He Write?' and 'Who Wrote "The Mound"?' by S. T. Joshi, '"Yig," "The Mound," and American Indian Lore' by Michael DiGregorio, and 'The Revision Mythos,' by the present writer./Robert M. Price/Yuletide 1982." The book is physically the same as an ordinary issue, 5 1/4" x 8 1/2", paper wrapper, single fold with two staples. What can I say? Some editor/publishers simply have no consideration for their poor bibliographers/moderators. I am truly sorry to be passing this headache onto you. {{unsigned|Grymsayre}}<br />
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::I'm going to accept the submission, but change the editor credit solely to Robert M. Price. Also remember to end all your messages with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) which will automatically sign and date them. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 15:42, 24 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Crypt of Cthulhu #19 ==<br />
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The submission updating [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?333515 this issue] was accepted, but I have a few questions. 1) Is the interview of Brian Lumley actually credited to "Crypt of Cthulhu" as the interviewer? 2) It appears that ''The Asylum and Other Tales'' is a role-playing game and not a work of fiction. If so, the review should be deleted and an essay record for it created. 3) Does the title of the piece on Lumley by Price have two dashes (--) in the title or is it an emdash (—) instead? Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:45, 24 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:The title of the editorial should be disambiguated as you did in other issues. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:54, 24 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:1) There is no interviewer credit as such. The interview is a dialog between "Lumley" and "Crypt." 2) I will replace the review. 3) It is two dashes. The typesetting was primitive even for 27 years ago. 4) I will disambiguate the editorial. Thanks.<br />
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== Crypt of Cthulhu #24 ==<br />
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A few questions about [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?333507 this issue]: 1) Is the Tierney interview on page 48 credited to "Crypt of Cthulhu"? 2) What is being reviewed on page 54? We have no record for the author or title. 3) Is the letter writer on page 56 named "Robert Block" or the more familiar author Robert Bloch? Also, I'm not familiar with the binding "C5". It is not one of [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Template:PublicationFields:PubFormat the standard formats] which we ask editors to use. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:51, 24 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:1)There is no interviewer credit as such. The interview is a dialog between "Tierney" and "Crypt." 2) The review is for a film. I will replace it with an essay. 3) I will correct Block to Bloch. 4) Oops. It seems I have been consistantly using C5 in place of A5. I have a lot of correcting to do. Thanks.<br />
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::Sorry about letting some of the C5s through. I spaced that, reading "A5".... --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:12, 24 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::No problem. I believe they are all corrected now.[[User:Grymsayre|Grymsayre]] 19:59, 24 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Crypt of Cthulhu #2 ==<br />
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That's an extraneous character in the pub record's title field of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?357279 this issue]. Also , it appears that the two reviews on page 22 are of movies, and should not be entered using the review type. The ISFDB matches reviews to fiction only, so these reviews should be entered as essays titled "Review of the movie Halloween II", or something similar, with the reviewer given as the author of the essay. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:00, 24 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
:1) I will remove the extraneous character. 2) I will replace the movie reviews with an essay. Thanks.<br />
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== Verifying records ==<br />
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I'm assuming that you're working from the actual publications when updating or creating new ISFDB records. If so, it would be appreciated if you could do a primary verification of those records. That way we know that the data is from the original source and not a secondary one, and it gives us a person to contact if we have questions concerning the pub records. It also prevents another editor from editing the record without deeper scrutiny by the moderator. Here is a link to the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_verify_data help page] to explain how to verify records. Thanks for contributing. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:08, 24 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks, I will be doing a bunch of these shortly.<br />
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== Crypt of Cthulhu #12 ==<br />
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Is the review of "Dark Crystal" on page 39 of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?357146 this issue] a review of the movie? Also, is the essay on page 46 a continuing feature of this fanzine? If there's a possibility of the title being used in another issue, the title should be disambiguated. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:16, 24 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
: 1) I will replace the movie review with an essay. 2) Page 46 is the back cover, so the essay is the back cover blurb. I have not included these myself, but the gentleman who entered #12 has. Please let me know if there is a preference here. I can go either way, removing them from where they are or adding them with disambiguation where they are not. Thanks. {{unsigned|Grimsayre}}<br />
::FWIW, I've been doing a magazine with a lot of reviews for things we don't want entered separately, and I've been constructing the essay titles as "Work Title (review)". I don't recall the source of that formatting idea. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:06, 24 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::I would suggest qualifying the reviews: (film review), (graphic novel review), (game review), etc, to make it clear why the review was entered as an essay type instead of a review type. I personally enter the title as "Review of the film XXX" or "Review of the graphic novel XXX by YYY" giving the novel's author so that if the rules change about adding records for graphic novels I can easily find records to revert to reviews. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 15:48, 24 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::Reviews are qualified now: film (4), game (1) and stereo cassette (1).[[User:Grymsayre|Grymsayre]] 20:02, 24 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Magazine & fanzine page counts ==<br />
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It's ISFDB policy to record all pages in magazines, including covers (unlike the method used for books). Some magazines' pagination include the front cover and others start the pagination with the first inside page. If the latter, you should add four to the page count. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 15:51, 24 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:I believe these are all corrected now.[[User:Grymsayre|Grymsayre]] 20:03, 24 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Crypt of Cthulhu magazine grid ==<br />
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First, thanks for the work you're doing on adding this title to the database. Next, are you aware of the grid feature for magazines which are automatically generated when an editor record is placed into a series. I've been updating the editor records for issues that you've been entering, placing them into a previously created series titled (naturally) "Crypt of Cthulhu". Here's a look at the title's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/seriesgrid.cgi?26716 grid]. You'll notice that some of the earlier records only gave the issue number (the stub records that were already in the db). The ones you've been adding have only the "season" name. There's a way to have both issue number and season appear on the grid: place the first comma in the pub record's title field after the title, for example enter it as "Crypt of Cthulhu, #39 Roodmas 1986" instead of "Crypt of Cthulhu #39, Roodmas 1986". As the person who is verifying these you can decide whether or not the issue number should appear on the grid. There are several reasons to include them, the most important of which is knowing at a glance if any issue's entry has been missed. Thanks again. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:03, 24 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:First, no thanks are necessary. Nostalgia is its own reward. Second, I have ammended the title field in accordance with your suggestion. I see a marked improvement already. Thanks, [[User:Grymsayre|Grymsayre]] 20:06, 24 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Assuming there's no publication date given in these, I think within the spirit of the data entry rules you could nonetheless assign publication dates. Unlike "Spring", "Winter", etc., these seasonal terms actually correspond to unchanging days on the calendar:<br />
::*Candlemas - Feb 2<br />
::*Roodmas - May 3<br />
::*St. John's Eve - Jun 23<br />
::*Lammas - Aug 1<br />
::*Michaelmas - Sep 29<br />
::*Hallowmas - Nov 1<br />
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::These two are periods, not days, unfortunately:<br />
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::*Eastertide - starts on Easter; shifts each year; some of it always falls in Apr<br />
::*Yuletide - starts on Dec 24<br />
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::Using the dates down to the day is probably stretching things, but using the month seems reasonable (arbitrarily using April for Eastertide, unless you want to figure out each year's Easter). That would distribute the issues across the grid. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 20:51, 24 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::Not only does it seem reasonable, it also ties neatly into what was already done with most of the stubs. I'll give it a try. Thanks again, [[User:Grymsayre|Grymsayre]] 21:32, 24 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::Whenever you change the date field of a pub, you'll also need to change the date of the original contents for that pub, otherwise they would differ. I find that the best way to do this is to "blank" the dates of all the content records. The system will then redate them to the new date you've given the pub record. I've done this already for the first few pubs that you gave a month date to. Remember, only remove the dates of the contents which are original to this publication. You'll find some titles can't be blanked because they were reprinted in a later publication. These will have to corrected individually. Let me know if you have any questions about how this is done. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 22:32, 24 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::: I'm beginning to think that it would be nice to have a visual display of the unique titles within a publication without having to edit it. OK, this is mostly because I do a lot of work on Anthologies and a self-confessed "reprint" anthology doesn't always highlight reprints by date. And we will get the always-thorny issue of "reprint of something only previously available online" - we must address that sometime. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 23:11, 24 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Nice-looking grid! Thanks, all, for the pointers. [[User:Grymsayre|Grymsayre]] 14:11, 25 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Linking reviews ==<br />
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I approved {{P|308198|Crypt of Cthulhu #48}}, and there are some review in it that need linking. I couldn't find a write-up in the help, but basically, you need to find (or enter) the title being reviewed, copy (CTRL-C or right-click + Copy) the ID number that comes after "title.cgi?" in the URL for the title, then visit the review and use "Link Review to Title" at the left. When you submit a review in a publication, the software looks for the combination of reviewed title + reviewed author(s) and hooks up any matching titles. These appear with the title as a link when you look at the publication's contents. Anything for which a match was not found is displayed as text only. Sometimes the reviewed work isn't in our database, sometimes there's a spelling variation of some sort. Most spelling variations are dealt with by adjusting the spelling in the review record itself and putting the original spelling into the notes (see [[Help:Screen:EditPub#Reviews]]). If you'd like to try your hand at doing this, please do, and ask if you need help. If you'd prefer not do try this, let me know and I'll take care of them. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:30, 25 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Three reviews have been linked. Another four appear to be legitimate dead ends. Thanks again, [[User:Grymsayre|Grymsayre]] 14:13, 25 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:: IMNSHO, there's rarely such a thing as a "legitimate dead end". If it's a review of a book, we probably want that book entered. If it's a review of something else, e.g. a film or TV show or music album, then we'd prefer that the 'review' is actually an ESSAY instead. I found a couple of pubs that appear to match the reviews, but often the review is a better source of information than mere Internet research. Can you add any more info? E.g. "Lovecraft Studies '''14'''" implies a Publication or Title Series we want to cover, but I can't tell whether it's a title or book we already have from that description alone. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 22:45, 25 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::In calling a review a legitimate dead end I only meant that I found nothing to link it to. This is not always for want of the right name. Looking over the issues I have entered so far, I see Whispers 17-18 unlinked in #12 and Whispers 23-24 unlinked in #56. Both these double issues are represented in the database, the first as 289020 and the second as 262562. But when I try to link reviews to these I get the message, "ERROR: TITLE RECORD DOES NOT EXIST." I also see Lovecraft Studies 14 unlinked in #48 and Lovecraft Studies 16 unlinked in #57. Lovecraft Studies is also represented in the database, but only by issues 27 and 28. You see my problem. [[User:Grymsayre|Grymsayre]] 01:54, 26 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::You have to link to a title, not to a publication. 289020 and 262562 are publications (i.e., to view them, the link ends with "pl.cgi?", not "title.cgi?"). One of the most unfortunate side effects of merging magazine editor titles into a single yearly bucket is that there is no issue-specific title left to which a review can be linked. The best you can do is link to that yearly title (e.g., [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?432851 432851] for 289020 or [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?880482 880482] for 262562). --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:22, 26 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Yes, that resolves Whispers nicely. The issues of Lovecraft Studies, on the other hand, fall outside of the yearly titles that currently exist. Thanks again, [[User:Grymsayre|Grymsayre]] 13:52, 26 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Adding issues to the series, thus to the grid ==<br />
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Are you familiar with the method used to add issues to the magazine title's grid? If not, just ask, and I'll lead you through the steps. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:46, 27 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:I am not familiar with the method. To tell the truth, I thought the process was automatic, though I sometimes wondered why it took so long. Any pointers will be much appreciated. [[User:Grymsayre|Grymsayre]] 08:33, 27 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::It must be done manually. First, go to the editor page (in this case {{A|Robert M. Price}}) and look at the magazine series (in this case [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?26716 Crypt of Cthulhu]) and compare it with the list of "ungrouped" editor records under the Magazine Editor category. Currently there are five records, four of which are for 1982 issues of "Crypt of Cthulhu". That's good, because in the Magazine Editor Series above there is already a title record for "Crypt of Cthulhu - 1982". (If there weren't, we'd have to create it. More on that when we come to it.) Next, click on "Show All Titles". Find the editor record for "Crypt of Cthulhu - 1982), check its box and then check the boxes of all editor records (there are four of them) for those 1982 issues. Go to the bottom and click on "Merge Selected Records". You will be led to a reconciliation page, which compare all of the records (in this case, the five records you checked), and it will ask you to determine which of the fields to choose if there's differences among the five records. You will choose to keep "Crypt of Cthulhu - 1982" as the title of the merged record, series will be "Crypt of Cthulhu" and the date to be kept will be "1982-00-00". Then submit.<br />
::When you're entering more than one issue of the same magazine title, you can choose to wait until all of one year's issues have been entered before merging them, or you can merge the editor records after each one is created. The former method involves less submissions. I'll wait until you come upon one to explain how to change a record that has no matching annual record. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 14:40, 27 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::It worked! That is something I would never have stumbled into by accident. Thanks, [[User:Grymsayre|Grymsayre]] 15:03, 27 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::"If there weren't [already a title record for 'Crypt of Cthulhu - 1982'], we'd have to create it. More on that when we come to it." I think we have come to it. Not 1982 of course, but 2001, 2000 and 1999. How is this done, please? [[User:Grymsayre|Grymsayre]] 05:48, 11 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::First, merge all of the editor records for the year into one record. Don't worry about which fields to choose when it asks for reconciliation, they're all gonna be changed with the next submission. Once you have a single editor record choose "Edit Title Data". In the "Title" field, change to "Crypt of Cthulhu - 2000" (or whichever year applies). In the "Year" field, change the date to "2000-00-00" (again, depends upon the year). In the "Series" field, add "Crypt of Cthulhu". Then submit. That should do it. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 06:35, 11 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Thanks. I have submitted a merge for 1999 and another for 2000. But what about 2001? That one has only one issue. [[User:Grymsayre|Grymsayre]] 14:10, 11 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Just edit that single record in the same format as the others. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:19, 11 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Peter Canon ==<br />
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You've entered a few essays by {{A|Peter Canon}} - should these actually be by {{A|Peter Cannon}}? [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 14:11, 27 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:They should indeed. I will start tracking them down at once. Thanks, [[User:Grymsayre|Grymsayre]] 14:18, 27 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Robert M. Price as Libidia Gillman ==<br />
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Is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1309609 this piece] actually credited to "Robert M. Price as Libidia Gillman "? If not, I can walk you through creating a variant record and pseudonym. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 14:46, 27 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:I used the name as name format as a place holder, thinking it would help when I started building synonyms. I quickly realized it would be no help at all and switched back to the credited name alone. As for building the synonyms, I would like to try to work that one out for myself. I will let you know if I run into any trouble. Thanks again, [[User:Grymsayre|Grymsayre]] 15:08, 27 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Pseudonyms have now been created. Next step is make each of the title records for these pseudonyms into variant records for Robert M. Price. I'm not sure why you changed the author of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1309609 this record]. Isn't this the name that was credited in the magazine? If so, it should be made into a variant ("Make This This a Variant..." tool) by Robert M. Price. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 23:44, 27 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::I changed the author because I came to realize it was a caption, a character label, instead. I swear, it's as if they put these magazines together without thinking about the bibliographer at all! Let me see what I can do with the Variant tool. Thanks, [[User:Grymsayre|Grymsayre]] 23:54, 27 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::Ah, you'll discovering the joys and horrors of bibliography! I'll accept the submission changing the credit of the art record. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 23:59, 27 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Cover image ==<br />
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You replaced the URL for the cover image of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?357278 this issue] with just the file name, removing all other characters in the address. I accepted the submission adding the new info, but reverted the cover image URL to the original address. Any reason why you replaced the URL address with the file name? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 14:32, 28 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Glad you asked. Most of the Galactic Central cover scans are very good, but a few seem to be based on off-centerd black and white xeroxes which do not really reflect the original covers. So this morning I loaded a scan of my own and modified the publication according to my best understanding of what was wanted. Of course, my understanding may be flawed, in which case I look to you to set me right. Thanks, [[User:Grymsayre|Grymsayre]] 14:40, 28 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Seriously, is this something I may do, but did in the wrong way? (In which case, what is the right way?) Or is it something I may not do at all? Any clarification will be appreciated. [[User:Grymsayre|Grymsayre]] 13:34, 29 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:: Yes, you can do it. You need the full URL of the Uploaded Image though, not just the file name - in this case <nowiki>http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/f/f7/Crypt_of_cthulhu_001.jpeg</nowiki>. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 15:53, 29 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::It's better to upload images using the semi-automated method: go to the pub record, click on "Upload cover scan" (or "Upload new cover scan" if there's one already) and follow the directions. This will automatically add the required license tag to the image. The direct method you used (clicking on "Upload file" while in the wiki) requires you to add a license tag manually. Looking at the wiki page for the image you uploaded for [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:Crypt_of_cthulhu_001.jpeg Crypt #1], you'll see there is no tag, which will have to be corrected. I can do that for you once you've looked at it. Now look at the files on [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Special:Imagelist this list] (click on the link under "Name", but not the "file") and you'll see what I mean by a license tag. This is the Fair Use Image Data and Rationale, which keeps artists, publishers, and lawyers off our back. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:58, 30 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::Thank you both. I should be trying this out shortly. [[User:Grymsayre|Grymsayre]] 02:03, 30 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::"You'll see there is no tag, which will have to be corrected. I can do that for you once you've looked at it." I have now looked at it (awhile ago, actually) and noted the lack of license tag. Please correct at your convenience. Thanks, [[User:Grymsayre|Grymsayre]] 05:55, 11 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::I've added a license tag to the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:Crypt_of_cthulhu_001.jpeg image]. Now you have to get the URL of the file. (Click on that link, then click on the image, then copy the URL). Now update the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?357278 pub record] by pasting the URL of the image into the Image URL field. You'll have to do this process with each image that you upload. BUT please use the "upload new cover scan" function from each issue's record. This will automatically add the license tag. (You'll still have to update the record once you've uploaded the image file.) Let me know if you have any questions. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 06:46, 11 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Review link ==<br />
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I'm not sure why you're linking [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1311221 this 1984 review] of "Mirrors of the Soul" with a 1987 short story "You Can't Take It With You", both by C. J. Henderson. What's the connection? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:10, 30 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Per the review, "The trite title represents editorial tampering; it should read: "You Can't Take It With You." Price was in a good position to know. Henderson had been a semi-regular contributor to CRYPT going all the way back to #2. Still, maybe there is a better way to handle this? [[User:Grymsayre|Grymsayre]] 02:02, 30 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::So where and when was the "tritely titled" story published? We can also create a variant title for "You Can't Take It With You" and have the review link to it. (My 2 cents worth: both titles are trite.) [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:20, 30 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Some googling turned it up as published in the January 1984 issue of ''Fantasy Gamer''. I'll create a variant and have the review link to that. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:22, 30 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::Works for me, thanks. [[User:Grymsayre|Grymsayre]] 04:10, 30 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== C of C #21 ==<br />
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Because this issue had a different editor, you will not merge it with those issues that Price edited in 1984. Just update [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1311303 Joshi's title record] by adding the series. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:29, 30 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:I was wondering how we were going to do that. Well, I gave it a try. I hope I got it right. I do seem to be running you guys ragged these days. Thanks again for your help and patience. [[User:Grymsayre|Grymsayre]] 04:12, 30 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::The series for the magazine is simply [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?26716 Crypt of Cthulhu]. In general, each magazine series is the name of the magazine, sometimes qualified by some other information if two different magazines use the same name, also sometimes choosing one of the magazine's names if its name changed over time. I fixed up the submission to remove the "- 1984". By virtue of an EDITOR title's being in a series, it participates in the magazine [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/seriesgrid.cgi?26716 series grid display] (completely independent of the wording of the title). The merging of the titles into yearly buckets isn't to get yearly buckets for the magazine, but rather to keep down the clutter on the editor's bibliography page. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:04, 30 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Merging titles ==<br />
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Hi. I have three proposed merges on hold. In each case, the author of one of the merge candidates is Duane W. Rimel, while the other candidate is credited to Duane W. Rimel and H. P. Lovecraft. Assuming that each title reflects the credit as given in the publication(s) where the title appears, we do not merge these because the author credits are not the same. Except where we're trying to combine multiple Editor records into a title representing a whole year, titles are merged only when the wording of the title and the author attribution are both identical. If something is different about either, we use a variant title instead. For this scenario, we would make the titles credited only to Rimel variants of the titles credited to both Lovecraft and Rimel (these latter ones becoming "parent" titles). If you look at the {{A|Duane W. Rimel}} bibliography, you'll see how "The Disinterment" is set up and appears (it has the bonus of having also appeared credited to "Rime", so there's a second variation listed).<br />
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When both titles already exist, the least-steps approach to setting this up is to find the title you want to be the parent. E.g., for "The Tree on the Hill", it would be [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?977661 this one], '''<nowiki>http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?977661</nowiki>'''. Copy the number that appears after "title.cgi?" from the link, now visit the title you want to be the variant ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1310723 this one]), pick "Make This Title a Variant Title or Pseudonymous Work" from the left menu, and paste the copied number into the "Parent #" field.<br />
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If the title you want to be the parent does not exist yet, you visit the title you want to be the variant, pick Make..., and then enter the information for the parent title in the lower portion of the screen. This technique is most often used when you have a title by a pseudonym and need to establish the title with the canonical author name.<br />
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I think I've seen you do some variants? Except for getting the parent title ID, it's pretty straightforward. Let me know if you need any help. Oh, and if I'm mistaken and you intended for the merges to alter those author credits, let me know that, too. Thanks, and thanks for all the hard ''Crypt'' work. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 12:56, 30 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:I will take the approach you describe, thanks. [[User:Grymsayre|Grymsayre]] 13:02, 30 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== C of C #27 ==<br />
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Should [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?357843 this issue] be titled ''Untold Tales by Clark Ashton Smith, #21 Hallowmas 1984'', along the same lines as #10 and #21? (Note that the season is misspelled in the current record.) 13:44, 30 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:I thought about that myself. But unlike #10 and #21, #27 actually proclaims the magazine name and number on the cover and title page. The magazine name takes second place on the cover but first place on the title page. Personally it would not take much to convince me to give the editor credit to Steve Behrends. All in favor? Oh, and the misspelling is duly noted and will be corrected. Thanks again, [[User:Grymsayre|Grymsayre]] 14:11, 30 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Is Behrends credited as the editor? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 15:15, 30 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::No. Nobody is that I can see. But internal evidence weighs heavily in Behrend's favor. He wrote the introduction, which concludes as follows: "Robert M. Price and I would like to extend our thanks to Mr. Kuhn for his kind permission to publish the original Smith material in this issue. I would also like to publicise some of my personal debts, and thank Dr. Josephine L. Harper of the State Historical Society of Wisconsin, for allowing me to quote letters from Smith to August Derleth; by John Stanley, Assistant Librarian of the John Hay Library and Curator of the Lovecraft Papers, for the quotations taken from Smith's correspondence with Lovecraft, R. H. Barlow, and L. Sprague de Camp; and I give my most heartfelt gratitude and good wishes to Dr. Mark Brown and Ms. Barbara A. Filipac of Brown University, for their many kindnesses during my two visists to the Smith collection." [[User:Grymsayre|Grymsayre]] 15:44, 30 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::Stop the presses! In Editorial Shards for the previous issue (Crypt of Cthulhu #26) Price writes ". . . Steve Behrends, CAS scholar and editor of UNTOLD TALES . . ." So Behrends is it. I will edit the publication to reflect this, and leave a note to explain it. [[User:Grymsayre|Grymsayre]] 16:17, 30 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Also, I've noticed many of the titles here are already in the database as either fragments or synopses. Strangely, the synposes were entered under the ESSAY type. Are they written as true synopses: "This happens, and this happens..."? Or are they essays as in proposals: "In this story, I will have this character do this and then this will happen..."? In any case, we'll need to merge them with the current records, and I'll let you determine both the titles and the type of each. Thanks.[[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 15:31, 30 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::They are true synopses. [[User:Grymsayre|Grymsayre]] 15:46, 30 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== "Double Cosmos" by Clark Ashton Smith ==<br />
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You want to merge [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?69173 this title] (dated 1940) with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1310725 this one] (dated 1983), but keep the 1983 date. Do you believe the story was first published in 1983 and that the 1940 date is incorrect? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 13:46, 30 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Okay, here's what I've got. Per Price's Introduction (Crypt of Cthulhu #16): "'Double Cosmos' by Clark Ashton Smith is another work that has never before seen print. Readers of Smith's BLACK BOOK have seen an early synopsis of the tale as 'The Appendix' (item 38). Smith had done some work on a draft of the story under the title 'Secondary Cosmos' in late June, 1934. In a letter to R. H. Barlow, August 16, 1938, he reported that he was 'trying to finish this.' Another draft entitled 'Double Cosmos' is dated February 24, 1940. The present version is undated but is the last version completed by Smith. The manuscript, incidentally, was partially burnt in a fire at Smith's cabin, but miraculously not a word of the story was lost!" [[User:Grymsayre|Grymsayre]] 14:03, 30 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks for the explanation. I've accepted the submission with the 1983 date. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 14:14, 30 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== "To Saml" poems by Lovecraft ==<br />
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Your proposed submissions to merge this pair of poems with another pair (separately), would change the titles of the poems in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?357793 Saturnalia, C of C #21]. Is that your intention? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 15:04, 30 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:In these cases, yes. The titles on the contents page are as I entered them originally. The titles in the body of the book each have a second line which makes them match the titles of the later publications. [[User:Grymsayre|Grymsayre]] 15:11, 30 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::As a rule, it's better to enter contents from the title pages of each content, rather than from the table of contents page. Submissions accepted. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 15:14, 30 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::You're right of course. And generally I do. But when touring the long dark gallery of Lovecraft's poetry - and I'm talking the non-genre stuff here! - one's instinct is to move very quickly. I will, however, go back and see if there is anything else I may have missed. [[User:Grymsayre|Grymsayre]] 15:57, 30 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Lovecraft-"L"orn ==<br />
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With an existing series "Lovecraft-lorn", if you edit a title's series to be "Lovecraft-Lorn" to try to capitalize that inner "L", it doesn't actually work. The software matches what you've provided with the existing series and leaves you with "l" instead. To change it, one needs to edit the series itself. I did that, but changing "l" to "L" yielded "series already exists". So I had to change the name to something else, then change it back using "Lorn". So now it's capitalized. I also checked through the other titles in that series and changed their capitalization to match. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 23:58, 30 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Yes, I was surprised to see that the series name had changed, since I had tried and failed to change it. But I didn't even notice that more individual titles had changed than I had gotten round to doing myself. Anyway, things should be quieter for a couple of hours. Thanks again. [[User:Grymsayre|Grymsayre]] 00:12, 31 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Do you know about the [[ISFDB:Help desk]] and [[ISFDB:Moderator noticeboard]]? Those are places you can post questions/problems and ask for help if you're trying to do something and it doesn't work. I just happened to realize what you were trying to do and what was going on, but I've been known to be far less perceptive.... :-) --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 00:59, 31 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== "The Slitherer from the Slime" ==<br />
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I have approved various permutations of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?509691 "The Slitherer from the Slime"], but could you please check that the resulting credits are correct in all publication records? The story has a rather usual publication history; one is almost tempted to say an eldritch one... [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 05:49, 31 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== "The Madness Out of Space" ==<br />
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I have approved your changes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?357965 ''Crypt of Cthulhu, #34 Michaelmas 1985''], but could you please check the date of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?509641 "The Madness Out of Space"]? [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cthulhu_Mythos_reference_codes_and_bibliography Wikipedia seems to list it] as a "1982-1983" title and ISFDB says "1982", but there is no information on pre-1985 appearances (assuming there were any.) TIA! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 15:20, 31 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Had to hit the books for this one. Looking at the Ballantine Books edition of THE NEW LOVECRAFT CIRCLE, the copyright notices page, I see the following: "'The Madness out of Space' copyright (c) 1982 by Crispin Burnham for ELDRITCH TALES numbers 8 and 9, 1982 and 1983, appears here by permission of the author, Peter H. Cannon." [[User:Grymsayre|Grymsayre]] 15:39, 31 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Allen Kaszowski? ==<br />
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Were these two covers actually credited to {{A|Allen Kaszowski}}? If so, we need to create a pseudonym and make them into variants. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:57, 2 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Nope, that's just me walking into walls again. I will correct both to Koszowski. Thanks, [[User:Grymsayre|Grymsayre]] 04:03, 2 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::This can be done by editing either the pub record or the cover art's title record (recommended). It's not necessary to do both. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:20, 2 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::Got it. Thanks again, [[User:Grymsayre|Grymsayre]] 04:21, 2 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== on linking reviews ==<br />
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Hi. I approved your link-to-title of {{T|1312782|this review}}, but you should make two changes to the review itself in light of data present in the database. See the "Title" and "Author" bullets of [[Help:Screen:EditPub#Reviews]], but the gist of those is that we have decided not to create variant titles or pseudonyms solely due to variations of title or authorship cited in a review. Instead, we use the existing canonical names in place of what appears in the review and record the discrepancies in the publication's notes. Here, you should change the reviewed title to ''Lovecraft's Providence & Adjacent Parts'' and the reviewed author to ''Henry L. P. Beckwith, Jr.'' and record the originals in {{P|358136|C of C #46}}. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:03, 3 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:The help cleverly does not cover {{T|1312751|this case}}, where the review uses one author but the only {{T|177342|recorded title}} uses two, but I'd say in the spirit of the above, you should do the same here -- add a second reviewed author to the review and add a note in {{P|358135|C of C #45}} that the review cites only Joshi. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:11, 3 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:The author credit on {{T|1312755|this one}} should also be changed and noted. FWIW, if you view that review title and click on the author, you see no sign of the title reviewed.... For {{T|961897|this one}}, I have no objection to the use of "Black Water" instead of "Black Water: The Anthology of Fantastic Literature" on the review itself. Other moderators may feel otherwise, I really don't know. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:20, 3 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::I believe I have brought all three of these in line with your suggestions. Thanks, [[User:Grymsayre|Grymsayre]] 12:19, 3 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Unlinking reviews ==<br />
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I don't understand why you want to unlink {{T|1312751}} and {{T|1312782}}? They look OK to me. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 15:03, 3 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Then I probably don't want to unlink them. I had previously linked them "manually" because the titles and authors in the reviews were so far off the titles and authors in the database. When it was suggested that I change the review titles and authors to match the database ones, I thought (wrongly?) that doing this would build new links, so that I no longer needed the old ones. Sorry for the confusion. [[User:Grymsayre|Grymsayre]] 15:55, 3 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:: You can keep the old link - changing the review authors/title doesn't relink them or break a link. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 16:02, 3 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::Edits withdrawn. Thanks, [[User:Grymsayre|Grymsayre]] 16:08, 3 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Crypt of Cthulhu, #60 Hallowmas 1988 ==<br />
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Did they really call her "Terry Windling" in the review? [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 00:23, 6 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Yes, consistantly, title and body. It sounds like I had better ammend it. [[User:Grymsayre|Grymsayre]] 00:29, 6 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:: Thanks. I hate "Stray Authors". [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 00:56, 6 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::It's no longer a stray...it's a pseudonym. For some inexplicable reason, a letter to Locus is credited to "Terry Windling". That needs 'splaining! [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:40, 6 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::: That'll do. I don't think we're entirely clear on when to "correct" an author - we seem to adjust REVIEWs to avoid strays, but "letters" are one of the things we haven't discussed, that I recall. And no, I don't really want to join a discussion about those, unless people really want me to separate LETTERs from the ESSAY type. Still possible, but the longer we leave such changes the harder and more dangerous they are. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 02:02, 6 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Kenneth W. Faig, Jr. ==<br />
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Would it be safe to assume that {{A|Ken Faig}} is a pseudonym of {{A|Kenneth W. Faig, Jr.}}? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 16:58, 6 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:I guess it depends on context. In Crypt of Cthulhu, I would say yes. [[User:Grymsayre|Grymsayre]] 17:04, 6 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:: Done, thanks! (I was just wondering if it may have been a father/son situation.) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 17:49, 6 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Removing contents from a container record ==<br />
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If you want to remove "The Ring of Hyades" from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?333521 this issue], click on "Remove Titles from This Pub" under Editing tools and check the box next to the title. The "Unmerge Titles" function working from a title record is badly formed and has some strange results. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 23:28, 6 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:So the procedure is, first, remove the title with the bad author's name from the publication and, second, put it back with the author's name corrected? I think I can handle that. Thanks, [[User:Grymsayre|Grymsayre]] 23:37, 6 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Yes, that's the correct procedure. If the title had not already been merged with another record, then you would have been able to correct it from the pub record (that's why it was grayed out). [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 23:49, 6 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== C of C #12 ==<br />
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I'm holding a submission to update this issue, but there's been no changes to the record. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 23:50, 6 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:On this one, as I recall, I determined that Twisted Tales was actually a comic book. I re-created the review as an essay, and now I am trying to remove the original. It sounds like I have not accomplished this. I will withdraw the edit and try again. [[User:Grymsayre|Grymsayre]] 00:00, 7 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::The review record had already been removed from the pub record (I may have done it, I can't remember). [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1307081 Here] is the "orphaned" record (as we like to call title records that are no longer associated with any pub records). Feel free to delete it. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:26, 7 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Review of Machenstruck in C of C #65 ==<br />
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I created a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?358545 record] for the book being reviewed in this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?308187 issue], changed the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1308931 review record] to reflect the editors credited, and then linked the review to the pub's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1314468 title record]. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 15:03, 7 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:I was beginning to notice that some of these "dead ends" were not so dead anymore. I figured somebody must be working behind the scenes. What can I say but, Thanks! [[User:Grymsayre|Grymsayre]] 15:17, 7 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::That's my forte: working behind the scenes. And you'll find there's hundreds, if not thousands, of titles that are not in the db . . . '''yet'''. When they legitimately should be, and reviews in fanzines like this sometimes scratch out the more obscure ones, I'm more than happy to create records for them. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 15:36, 7 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== C of C #64 ==<br />
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I created records for these three books: ''Yr Obt Servt: Some Postcards of Howard Phillips Lovecraft Sent to Wilfred Blanch Talman'', ''Pulp Man's Odyssey: The Hugh B. Cave Story'', and ''The Voyage'', and then linked them to the reviews. I think the latter novel may be nongenre. Does the review make it clear? If so, we'll need to adjust [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1314246 this title record] to NONGENRE. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 15:12, 7 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:The review does indeed make it clear and I have submitted the edit you suggested. Thanks again, [[User:Grymsayre|Grymsayre]] 15:18, 7 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Reviews in C of C #64 ==<br />
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Does the article on page 29 titled "Arthur Machen" review [http://www.worldcat.org/title/arthur-machen-a-short-account-of-his-life-and-work/oclc/759684&referer=brief_results Arthur Machen: A Short Account of His Life and Work] (first published 1963) by Aidan Reynolds and William Charlton? (Note the spelling of the first author's first name.) Thanks for checking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 15:29, 7 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:It looks that way. The review is truncated to Arthur Machen and spells the author's name with an E. But it also mentions that the book was first published in 1963. [[User:Grymsayre|Grymsayre]] 15:44, 7 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::I'll create a record for the 1963 book, link it to the review record, correcting the author's name and noting the <strike>mispelling</strike> misspelling. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 15:52, 7 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== A Critical Commentary Upon (On) the Necronomicon ==<br />
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I'm holding the submission to merge [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?100294 this record] titled "A Critical Commentary Upon the Necronomicon" with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1313311 this one] titled "A Critical Commentary on the Necronomicon". The first piece is typed as SHORTFICTION (novella), while the second is an ESSAY. According to Locus1, the first record should be "on" instead of "upon", and types it as a "facetious article" and not fiction. Your merge keeps the second's title (that sounds OK), but keeps the first's type. These non-fact articles throws us all for a loop, because we don't have a proper (i.e. standard) way to handle them. I'll leave that decision to you. If you wish to keep it as fiction, I'll accept the submission. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 15:51, 7 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Here is my thinking. The article is the same in both publications; I have both so I know. The title is the same in both publications too; the "Upon" appears only in one table of contents. So that leaves the type. I entered it as an essay in Crypt because that is the form it takes. But it is an essay written on a fictitious basis, which is that the brief quotes from the Necronomicon, used by Lovecraft and his circle in some of their stories, are the last surviving remnants of an otherwise lost ancient text. So maybe fiction is the better choice. Please accept. [[User:Grymsayre|Grymsayre]] 16:29, 7 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Done. (Also, see my response to the C of C #12, fourth comment above.) Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:05, 7 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Midnight Brushstrokes, by Allen Koszowski ==<br />
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I accepted the submission removing the review of this title from C of C #74 before realizing you intend to make it into an essay. I would think that an art book by Koszowski should be entered into the database and it would be appropriate to keep the review intact. Do you think the art book is not spec-fic related? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 21:56, 7 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:No, I was just following what I thought was the standard: no films, no recordings, no graphic novels and, by extension, no calendars and art books. Probably I misunderstood; it would not be the first time! Anyway, I will be happy to put it back, and one or two others besides. [[User:Grymsayre|Grymsayre]] 22:02, 7 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Artbooks by spec-fic artists are definitely IN. Even calendars. But you're correct that the first three items should be OUT. If you'll replace the review, I'll create a record for the book (actually it's a portfolio) and link it to the record. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 22:05, 7 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::In addition to 74, numbers 45, 53 and 67 are all affected, 67 with three separate titles. So it might take a little while . . . [[User:Grymsayre|Grymsayre]] 22:14, 7 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== C of C #69 review ==<br />
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I've created a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?358591 record] for the anthology ''No, But I Saw the Movie'' reviewed in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?358508 this issue]. Does the review mention the spec-fic stories published in the anthology? If so, please consider adding content records to the pub record (but spec-fic contents only), when you get a chance. And another thing: do the reviews give the prices for the books being reviewed? In creating records for some of the more obscure titles, the one thing that's usually unavailable is the price. Most reviews will provide that price. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:01, 8 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:The reviewer was primarily interested in Robert Bloch's "The Real Bad Friend," described as a "neat little tale of schizophrenia" that "anticipated *Psycho* by two years." Other titles mentioned are Cornell Woolrich's "Rear Window," Daphne du Maurier's "Don't Look Now" and Robert Louis Stevenson's "The Body Snatcher" But the anthology is not slanted to the fantastic but rather to "the best short stories ever made into film." As for the price, yes, Crypt generally provides them. The price for this one was $9.95. [[User:Grymsayre|Grymsayre]] 00:38, 8 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::I'll added the stories mentioned, as they all are spec-fic. I'll also update the record given the price. If you find the time, please go back over the titles reviewed in C of C, and update any pub records that don't have the price. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:00, 8 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Asceticism and Lust: The Greatest Lovecraft Revision by Cannon ==<br />
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Can you confirm that [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1313778 this piece] is fiction? It is included in Cannon's essay collection [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?358597 "Sunset Terrace Imagery in Lovecraft" and Other Essays ] which I just created based on the review in C of C #75. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:58, 8 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:I can confirm it. Cannon's essay is a humorous piece about Lovecraft ghost-writing Henry Miller's Tropic of Cancer. To get the humor you would have to know that Lovecraft used to tear the covers off his copies of Weird Tales because he was embarrassed by their pictures of scantily clad ladies. [[User:Grymsayre|Grymsayre]] 01:31, 8 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::So you're confirming that it's fiction? You call it an "essay" in your description. Is this another case of a "facetious article" that the ISFDB doesn't handle very well? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:43, 8 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::That's right. Price's article was very solemn and scholarly, while Cannon's is more of a tall tale. But facetious article would cover them both. [[User:Grymsayre|Grymsayre]] 06:17, 8 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== R. M. P. ==<br />
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I'm holding the submissions to change the credits to the content records that give credit to "R. M. P." When it's obvious who a "signed" credit is, it's all right to give the full name on the record. (Think of an introduction to a book which only gives the author's initials at the end.) Are these reviews signed at the end, or are they credited as by "R. M. P." at the heading of the reviews? By changing the credits of these reviews to "R. M. P.", you'd have to make that into a pseudonym for Robert M. Price, then make variant records of each one. I would suggest adding a note in the pub record's Note Field that the reviews are signed by "R. M. P." (if that's the case). I don't know if this is stated in the rules but it's the working standard for the time I've been here. You may find there are initial-credited records in the database, but most of those are by unknown persons or based on artist's signatures of uncredited artwork. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:36, 10 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Stub records for missing Crypt of Cthulhu issues ==<br />
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I added about a half-dozen or so missing issues of C of C a couple of days ago, to help you out when you get to that point. I noticed you've removed the "Stub record" indication without actually adding the contents. Do you intend to go back and add the contents? Do you have these issues? If not, I can add contents from the Miller/Contento index. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:23, 11 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:I noticed the proliferation of stubs a few days back. It made me wonder if all our activity had attracted the attention of another fan or two. Thanks for the help, in that and in many other things. I have restored the "Stub record" indication where applicable. I have also created stub records for the rest of the run. That is about as much as I can do with them since, as you surmise, I do not have these later issues. So please, add away with my blessing. As for me, I still have a bit of tweaking to do before the end. [[User:Grymsayre|Grymsayre]] 05:10, 13 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Title removals ==<br />
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What has prompted the removal of titles from many issues of C o C? I accepted several issues and placed the others on hold until I can understand the reasoning for doing this. Of those that I accepted, I've had to go back and delete the orphan title records. I just need to know if this is your intention and I'm not wasting time by deleting the records. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:37, 15 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:I am submitting two kinds of deletion. The first is column fillers that I had previously entered as essays. These are blocks an inch or so long, containing maybe 50 words, whose only reason for existing is to fill an awkward white space on a page. A typical recipe is, take brief snippet of Lovecraft or another, put a semi-humorous title over it and draw a box around it. Others are, "Hey, it's Lovecraft's birthday this month!" or "Hey, we saw some of our friends on TV!" You get the idea. And the second kind of deletion is announcements that I had previously entered as reviews. These typically appear at the end of the review section, but they differ from the real reviews in that they are short, uncredited and have nothing to say about the publication except that it is out and may be obtained from such and such a publisher for such and such a price. I tried to include this stuff early on but soon came to my senses. Now I am trying to bring the earlier issues in line with the later ones. I believe I have them all pending now. [[User:Grymsayre|Grymsayre]] 01:04, 15 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::I'll accept the submissions. Can you delete the orphaned titles or would you need help to do that? Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 02:11, 15 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::I can do that, gladly. Thanks, [[User:Grymsayre|Grymsayre]] 02:47, 15 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::: Thanks for the explanation. I can understand deleting the non-Reviews, but if they do have information about prices and can be tracked down to a particular edition that doesn't already have that info, it would be a good secondary source to note. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 03:02, 15 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::: By the way, congratulations on passing your first thousand contributions! There's only 50 of us that have stuck this out longer, it seems. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 03:02, 15 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::: A thousand contributions! These things certainly do creep up on one, don't they? No wonder I was beginning to think I was getting a feel for the work! But the second thousand will take a bit longer, since my glory days are now behind me. That last batch of deletions wound up my part in CoC. The project was larger than I thought it would be, but it was also more fun. And I would be foolish not to recognize that it would have taken much longer and been a lot less fun without the patient assistance of you, my mentors, guides and safety nets. My sincerest thanks to you all. [[User:Grymsayre|Grymsayre]] 13:26, 15 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Ralph E. Vaughn ==<br />
Hi, in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?357574 this verified pub] could you please check whether there author's last name on page 37 is Vaughn or Vaugh<b>A</b>n. Cheers, [[User:P-Brane|P-Brane]] 09:52, 16 September 2011 (UTC).<br />
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== ''Crypt of Cthulhu, #59 Michaelmas 1988'' ==<br />
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Just a quick note that I have turned {{A|William Pugmire}} in your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?358277 ''Crypt of Cthulhu, #59 Michaelmas 1988''] into a pseudonym of {{A|W. H. Pugmire}}. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 06:30, 27 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== The House of the Worm ==<br />
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I expanded the notes for Myers' ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?280183 The House of the Worm]'', including replacing the Wikipedia reference with a more direct one. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 03:08, 20 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== HPL ==<br />
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I've left [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Biomassbob#Meade_and_Penny_Frierson.27s_one-shot_HPL a message] on the talk page of the editor who entered and verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?389459 this record]. This is the first step to be taken on changing vital information in a primary-verified record. Making a submission with a message in the Note to Moderator field is not an efficient way to update the record. (Your submission actually didn't "update" the record.) Your evidence is convincing, but I'll leave it up to the primary verifier to make the final decision. If he disagrees about the date, I'll add a note about the strong evidence that leads to another publication date. Thanks for contributing. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 21:11, 12 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Michael did notify me, and of course you were correct. Even my own records showed the earlier date; I'm at a loss to understand why I entered the later date, to be honest. Thanks for catching this. If you find I screwed up again, please don't hesitate to tell me. I'm prone to typos and careless mistakes, and certainly don't take offense to having them brought to my attention. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 18:39, 22 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Crypt of Cthulhu #1 - #10 ==<br />
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I have begun to go through your entries to Crypt of Cthulhu to verify the entered issues and enter the rest. You've done a marvelous job so far. I have entered information in the notes to each issue: "Saddle stapled, wraps. Page numbers do not include covers." I also enter where the cover artist is credited and where appropriate, the type of "special issue" each volume is. It two cases, I uploaded new cover scans: #3 did not bring up a scan and #9 is a wrap-around. #8 is also a wrap-around, and I'll upload that as well when the submissions are approved. I also entered Price as the cover artist on #10, since he claims credit on the copyright page. From this point on, I'll only notify you when I feel a change other than to the notes or cover scan should be made, if that's o.k. with you. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 18:35, 22 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Saturnalia and Other Poems ==<br />
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I would like to make Saturnalia http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?357793 a variant title, and make the parent "Crypt of Cthulhu #21, Eastertide 1984 - Saturnalia and Other Poems by H. P. Lovecraft". I would also make Price the co-editor. This will make the pub appear in the list of Crypts where it is easy to find and will reflect what it truly is. As you know, Price played around with the titles at times (like #16, titled "Tales from the Crypt of Cthulhu", but I think we should avoid confusion by seeing that each issue can easily be identified as a Crypt. Please let me know if you agree. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 15:23, 23 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Issue 21 appears on both [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/seriesgrid.cgi?26716 the issue grid] for ''Crypt of Cthulhu'' and on the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?26716 issue listing]. Price shouldn't be credited in the ISFDB record if he's not credited in the publication. ISFDB records should reflect what is stated in the publication, even at the expense of display and possible confusion. Looking at both of the ''Crypt of Cthulhu'' lists, there doesn't seem to be a problem with either. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 21:08, 23 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::Yes, they appear on the grid and issue listing. But I didn't discover either of these for some time after I started using the data base, in fact not until I became an editor. I would have gone to Price's name, not found the pub and assumed it wasn't in the data base. Ah, well, let confusion reign! I still think the name change is a good idea. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 00:28, 24 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Untold Tales ==<br />
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Similarly to the above, I would like to change the title of Untold Tales http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?357843 to "Crypt of Cthulhu #27, Hallowmas 1984 - Untold Tales by Clark Ashton Smith". I have added Price as an editor, based on the fact that he admits he made a mistake when he added "The Brahman's Wisdom" to the pub in Crypt #26 Editorial Shards. He was clearly an editor. No matter who he credits with editing Crypt issues, he clearly retained overall editorial control. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 21:13, 23 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
:I am holding this for discussion. As above, we do not usually add editor credits for people not so credited in the actual publication. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 05:50, 24 July 2012 (UTC)</div>DESiegel60https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Pgiunta&diff=280508User talk:Pgiunta2012-07-23T18:10:49Z<p>DESiegel60: /* Adding New Content */</p>
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== Author update ==<br />
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The submission you have made would result in there being NO legal name. Not really sure if this is what you have intended, but since it is your name I would assume there is SOME legal version??!!¿¿ ;-) If Philip is not correct, then correct it... blanking the name seems to serve no purpose, or am I missing something? --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 03:07, 6 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Nope, that's fine, Bill. I'm still getting used to editing the info so it was a mistake. Everything is good now. Thanks! [[User:Pgiunta|Pgiunta]] 19:27, 6 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== [[Bio:Phil Giunta]] ==<br />
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I see you have created [[Bio:Phil Giunta]]. This is good, but a bio page is not the best way to list your work. It is better to create the appropriate publication records in the ISFDB proper.<br />
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For example, you mention "There Be In Dreams No War" which you say appeared in ''ReDeus: Divine Tales''. E\We don't have records for these, but they can be added, which would list the work on your author page, {{A|Phil Giunta}}, automatically. <br />
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==Adding New Content==<br />
''ReDeus: Divine Tales'' is out now. You can find it on Goodreads and Amazon. The book launch itself will happen on Friday, August 3 at a SF convention in Maryland called Shore Leave.<br />
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So how do I go about adding this to my biblography on ISFDB? I do have an entry on ISFDB but I do not know how to update my bibliography there. There are 11 total writers that contributed to the anthology. It was edited by Aaron Rosenberg and Robert Greenberger and published via their small press called Crazy 8 Press. Since I'm just a contributor, I did not want to add it to ISFDB by choosing the Add Anthology option. I feel like I would be stepping on Bob's and Aaron's authority there. Unless you want to add it, I'm sure that would be fine since you're a moderator here. Simply look up ''ReDeus'' on Amazon or Goodreads and the info is there.<br />
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:Oh, please sign your wiki posts with four tildes <nowiki>(~~~~)</nowiki>. The software will convert this into a signature and timestamp. You can customize the signature in your wiki User Preferences. See [[Help:Editing]] and [[Help:Wiki Conventions]] for more on editing the wiki. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 18:05, 23 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::Anyone who has a copy of the book, or a reliable secondary source for its details, may add a record to the ISFDB. If we waited for editors, or even contributors, the db would be only a fraction of its current size (besides, in many cases authors are long dead or retired). Using "Add Anthology" is pretty much the only way to get this credit into your bibliography, and is also doing the editors and other contributors a favor by getting it listed for them as well. You can also primary verify the book once you have entered it (if you are workign from a physical copy) and the edit has been approved. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 18:09, 23 July 2012 (UTC)</div>DESiegel60https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Pgiunta&diff=280507User talk:Pgiunta2012-07-23T18:09:11Z<p>DESiegel60: /* Adding New Content */ Please do add</p>
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Please be careful in editing publications that have been [[Help:How to verify data|primary verified]] by other editors. See [[Help:How to verify data#Making changes to verified pubs]]. But if you have a copy of an unverified publication, verifying it can be quite helpful. See [[Help:How to verify data]] for detailed information.<br />
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I hope you enjoy editing here! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~&#126;~~); this will insert your name and the date. If you need help, check out the [[ISFDB:Community Portal|community portal]], or ask me on my talk page. Again, welcome! --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 03:04, 6 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Author update ==<br />
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The submission you have made would result in there being NO legal name. Not really sure if this is what you have intended, but since it is your name I would assume there is SOME legal version??!!¿¿ ;-) If Philip is not correct, then correct it... blanking the name seems to serve no purpose, or am I missing something? --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 03:07, 6 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Nope, that's fine, Bill. I'm still getting used to editing the info so it was a mistake. Everything is good now. Thanks! [[User:Pgiunta|Pgiunta]] 19:27, 6 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== [[Bio:Phil Giunta]] ==<br />
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I see you have created [[Bio:Phil Giunta]]. This is good, but a bio page is not the best way to list your work. It is better to create the appropriate publication records in the ISFDB proper.<br />
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For example, you mention "There Be In Dreams No War" which you say appeared in ''ReDeus: Divine Tales''. E\We don't have records for these, but they can be added, which would list the work on your author page, {{A|Phil Giunta}}, automatically. <br />
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Forthcoming work can also be listed if the publication date and details are known with reasonable assurance.<br />
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I hope this is helpful. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 22:29, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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==Adding New Content==<br />
''ReDeus: Divine Tales'' is out now. You can find it on Goodreads and Amazon. The book launch itself will happen on Friday, August 3 at a SF convention in Maryland called Shore Leave.<br />
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So how do I go about adding this to my biblography on ISFDB? I do have an entry on ISFDB but I do not know how to update my bibliography there. There are 11 total writers that contributed to the anthology. It was edited by Aaron Rosenberg and Robert Greenberger and published via their small press called Crazy 8 Press. Since I'm just a contributor, I did not want to add it to ISFDB by choosing the Add Anthology option. I feel like I would be stepping on Bob's and Aaron's authority there. Unless you want to add it, I'm sure that would be fine since you're a moderator here. Simply look up ''ReDeus'' on Amazon or Goodreads and the info is there.<br />
Thanks!<br />
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:First, go to an ISFDB page, as opposed to a wiki page. The main page will do, or your author page. Be sure you are logged in. (your Username will appear in the upper left under "logged in as" if you are logged in.) To enter a record for a novel not currently in the database click the link for "Add New Novel" (found in the "Add New Data" section on the left). The New Novel edit screen will appear. Fill in the fields and click "Submit Data". For detailed instructions on the fields, see [[Help:Screen:NewNovel]]. For more on the general process, see [[Help:Getting Started]] and [[Help:Getting Started:Enter a Novel]]. <br />
::Collections can be added in a similar way, starting with the "Add New Collection" Link.<br />
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:If you need further assistance, ask here or on the [[ISFDB:Help desk|Help desk]]. Thank you for contributing. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 18:05, 23 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Oh, please sign your wiki posts with four tildes <nowiki>(~~~~)</nowiki>. The software will convert this into a signature and timestamp. You can customize the signature in your wiki User Preferences. See [[Help:Editing]] and [[Help:Wiki Conventions]] for more on editing the wiki. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 18:05, 23 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::Anyone who has a copy of the book, or a reliable secondary source for its details, may add a record to the ISFDB. If we waited for editors, or even contributors, the db would be only a fraction of its current size (besides, in many cases authors are long dead or retired). Using "Add Anthology" is pretty much the only way to get this credit into your bibliography, and is also doing the editors and other contributors a favor by getting it listed for them as well. You can also primary verify the book once you have entered it and the edit has been approved. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 18:09, 23 July 2012 (UTC)</div>DESiegel60https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Pgiunta&diff=280506User talk:Pgiunta2012-07-23T18:05:45Z<p>DESiegel60: /* Adding New Content */</p>
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<div>== Welcome! ==<br />
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Hello, {{PAGENAME}}, and welcome to the ISFDB Wiki! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:<br />
*[[Help:Contents|Help pages]]<br />
*[[Help:Getting Started]]<br />
*[[Help:Contents/Purpose|What the ISFDB Wiki is for]]<br />
*[[ISFDB FAQ]]<br />
*[[Help:Editing|Wiki editing help]] - Tips on how to use the wiki-specific features when editing wiki pages.<br />
*[[Help:Wiki Conventions|Wiki Conventions]] - How things are usually done on this wiki.<br />
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Please be careful in editing publications that have been [[Help:How to verify data|primary verified]] by other editors. See [[Help:How to verify data#Making changes to verified pubs]]. But if you have a copy of an unverified publication, verifying it can be quite helpful. See [[Help:How to verify data]] for detailed information.<br />
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I hope you enjoy editing here! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~&#126;~~); this will insert your name and the date. If you need help, check out the [[ISFDB:Community Portal|community portal]], or ask me on my talk page. Again, welcome! --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 03:04, 6 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Author update ==<br />
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The submission you have made would result in there being NO legal name. Not really sure if this is what you have intended, but since it is your name I would assume there is SOME legal version??!!¿¿ ;-) If Philip is not correct, then correct it... blanking the name seems to serve no purpose, or am I missing something? --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 03:07, 6 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Nope, that's fine, Bill. I'm still getting used to editing the info so it was a mistake. Everything is good now. Thanks! [[User:Pgiunta|Pgiunta]] 19:27, 6 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== [[Bio:Phil Giunta]] ==<br />
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I see you have created [[Bio:Phil Giunta]]. This is good, but a bio page is not the best way to list your work. It is better to create the appropriate publication records in the ISFDB proper.<br />
<br />
For example, you mention "There Be In Dreams No War" which you say appeared in ''ReDeus: Divine Tales''. E\We don't have records for these, but they can be added, which would list the work on your author page, {{A|Phil Giunta}}, automatically. <br />
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Forthcoming work can also be listed if the publication date and details are known with reasonable assurance.<br />
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I hope this is helpful. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 22:29, 19 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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==Adding New Content==<br />
''ReDeus: Divine Tales'' is out now. You can find it on Goodreads and Amazon. The book launch itself will happen on Friday, August 3 at a SF convention in Maryland called Shore Leave.<br />
<br />
So how do I go about adding this to my biblography on ISFDB? I do have an entry on ISFDB but I do not know how to update my bibliography there. There are 11 total writers that contributed to the anthology. It was edited by Aaron Rosenberg and Robert Greenberger and published via their small press called Crazy 8 Press. Since I'm just a contributor, I did not want to add it to ISFDB by choosing the Add Anthology option. I feel like I would be stepping on Bob's and Aaron's authority there. Unless you want to add it, I'm sure that would be fine since you're a moderator here. Simply look up ''ReDeus'' on Amazon or Goodreads and the info is there.<br />
Thanks!<br />
<br />
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:First, go to an ISFDB page, as opposed to a wiki page. The main page will do, or your author page. Be sure you are logged in. (your Username will appear in the upper left under "logged in as" if you are logged in.) To enter a record for a novel not currently in the database click the link for "Add New Novel" (found in the "Add New Data" section on the left). The New Novel edit screen will appear. Fill in the fields and click "Submit Data". For detailed instructions on the fields, see [[Help:Screen:NewNovel]]. For more on the general process, see [[Help:Getting Started]] and [[Help:Getting Started:Enter a Novel]]. <br />
::Collections can be added in a similar way, starting with the "Add New Collection" Link.<br />
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:If you need further assistance, ask here or on the [[ISFDB:Help desk|Help desk]]. Thank you for contributing. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 18:05, 23 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:Oh, please sign your wiki posts with four tildes <nowiki>(~~~~)</nowiki>. The software will convert this into a signature and timestamp. You can customize the signature in your wiki User Preferences. See [[Help:Editing]] and [[Help:Wiki Conventions]] for more on editing the wiki. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 18:05, 23 July 2012 (UTC)</div>DESiegel60https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Fixer&diff=280500User talk:Fixer2012-07-23T16:33:25Z<p>DESiegel60: /* Title Pub type matching */</p>
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<div>* '''Note''' - This field is for notes about the title, not about any particular publication of that title. It is rarely necessary to add a note to the title. Possible reasons include describing the relationship of the title to others related to it, such as the relationship of a short story to a fixup in which the story's text is largely included. Very limited HTML can be used in such notes, but is mostly not needed and is never required. See [[Help:Using HTML in Note Fields]] for more details.</div>DESiegel60https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:PubNote&diff=280328Template:PublicationFields:PubNote2012-07-22T14:42:17Z<p>DESiegel60: </p>
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<div>* '''Note''' - A note specific to this particular publication. These notes should be permanent comments that reflect something indisputable about a Publication, e.g. a mis-spelled title on the contents page.<br />
**''Temporary comments'''. Temporary comments that support the bibliographic effort but will be eventually deleted (once all issues are resolved), belong in the "Bibliographic Comments" field in the Wiki; e.g. information about incorrect data that is in the process of being corrected.<br />
**''Miscellaneous data''. Miscellaneous additional bibliographic information can be recorded here, such as the volume/issue information for a magazine.<br />
**''Printings''. Information about which printing is being recorded should be recorded here: commonly this is done as "Stated third printing of 1970 Signet edition", to indicate not only which printing it is, but that the book explicitly states this (as opposed to a deduction made from bibliographic sources). If the information on printing number and date is derived from a number line, you can mention that: "Stated 35th printing (per number line) of 1972 Bantam edition". If there is no printing information beyond the edition date, and no specific "first printing" statement, it is likely that this is a first printing, and you can put "Appears to be first printing of 1974 Puffin edition."<br />
**''Sources''. You do not need to record the source of data if it is taken from one of the standard bibliographic sources used in verification. For example, if the month of publication is drawn from the Locus index, while the book only shows the year, you do not need to say "Date per Locus1"; the verification flag showing that Locus1 has been consulted provides this information. Other sources used to update the record should be mentioned; though complex issues may be discussed on the author's wiki page or the publication comments wiki page.<br />
**''Errors in sources''. If you find an error in a source, make a note here -- e.g. "Locus1 incorrectly gives page count as 506".<br />
**''HTML''. Only very limited HTML is acceptable in note fields. See [[Help:Using HTML in Note Fields]]. HTML is never required.</div>DESiegel60https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:PubNote&diff=280327Template:PublicationFields:PubNote2012-07-22T14:41:57Z<p>DESiegel60: </p>
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<div>* '''Note''' - A note specific to this particular publication. These notes should be permanent comments that reflect something indisputable about a Publication, e.g. a mis-spelled title on the contents page.<br />
**''Temporary comments'''. Temporary comments that support the bibliographic effort but will be eventually deleted (once all issues are resolved), belong in the "Bibliographic Comments" field in the Wiki; e.g. information about incorrect data that is in the process of being corrected.<br />
**''Miscellaneous data''. Miscellaneous additional bibliographic information can be recorded here, such as the volume/issue information for a magazine.<br />
**''Printings''. Information about which printing is being recorded should be recorded here: commonly this is done as "Stated third printing of 1970 Signet edition", to indicate not only which printing it is, but that the book explicitly states this (as opposed to a deduction made from bibliographic sources). If the information on printing number and date is derived from a number line, you can mention that: "Stated 35th printing (per number line) of 1972 Bantam edition". If there is no printing information beyond the edition date, and no specific "first printing" statement, it is likely that this is a first printing, and you can put "Appears to be first printing of 1974 Puffin edition."<br />
**''Sources''. You do not need to record the source of data if it is taken from one of the standard bibliographic sources used in verification. For example, if the month of publication is drawn from the Locus index, while the book only shows the year, you do not need to say "Date per Locus1"; the verification flag showing that Locus1 has been consulted provides this information. Other sources used to update the record should be mentioned; though complex issues may be discussed on the author's wiki page or the publication comments wiki page.<br />
**''Errors in sources''. If you find an error in a source, make a note here -- e.g. "Locus1 incorrectly gives page count as 506".<br />
**''HTML''. only very limited HTML is acceptable in note fields. See [[Help:Using HTML in Note Fields]]. HTML is never required.</div>DESiegel60https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:PubNote&diff=280326Template:PublicationFields:PubNote2012-07-22T14:41:37Z<p>DESiegel60: Link Help:Using HTML in Note Fields</p>
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<div>* '''Note''' - A note specific to this particular publication. These notes should be permanent comments that reflect something indisputable about a Publication, e.g. a mis-spelled title on the contents page.<br />
**''Temporary comments'''. Temporary comments that support the bibliographic effort but will be eventually deleted (once all issues are resolved), belong in the "Bibliographic Comments" field in the Wiki; e.g. information about incorrect data that is in the process of being corrected.<br />
**''Miscellaneous data''. Miscellaneous additional bibliographic information can be recorded here, such as the volume/issue information for a magazine.<br />
**''Printings''. Information about which printing is being recorded should be recorded here: commonly this is done as "Stated third printing of 1970 Signet edition", to indicate not only which printing it is, but that the book explicitly states this (as opposed to a deduction made from bibliographic sources). If the information on printing number and date is derived from a number line, you can mention that: "Stated 35th printing (per number line) of 1972 Bantam edition". If there is no printing information beyond the edition date, and no specific "first printing" statement, it is likely that this is a first printing, and you can put "Appears to be first printing of 1974 Puffin edition."<br />
**''Sources''. You do not need to record the source of data if it is taken from one of the standard bibliographic sources used in verification. For example, if the month of publication is drawn from the Locus index, while the book only shows the year, you do not need to say "Date per Locus1"; the verification flag showing that Locus1 has been consulted provides this information. Other sources used to update the record should be mentioned; though complex issues may be discussed on the author's wiki page or the publication comments wiki page.<br />
**''Errors in sources''. If you find an error in a source, make a note here -- e.g. "Locus1 incorrectly gives page count as 506".<br />
**HTML only very limited HTML is acceptable in note fields. See [[Help:Using HTML in Note Fields]]. HTML is never required.</div>DESiegel60https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Help:How_to&diff=280325Help:How to2012-07-22T14:36:53Z<p>DESiegel60: /* Entering data */ Link Help:Using HTML in Note Fields</p>
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<div>Explanations of how to do some common tasks within the ISFDB. For performing tasks within the Wiki go [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Category:Wiki_Help here].<br />
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==Entering data==<br />
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* [[Help: How to enter a new novel]] which isn't yet in the ISFDB<br />
* [[Help: How to enter a new book]] that isn't a novel<br />
* [[Help: How to clone a publication]] to enter a new book that's almost identical to one already in the ISFDB<br />
* [[Help: How to enter a SFBC publication]]<br />
* [[Help: How to enter foreign language editions]] of a book or magazine<br />
* [[Help: How to enter works published under a pseudonym]]<br />
* [[Help: How to enter an author into the database]]<br />
* [[Help: Entering non-genre magazines]]<br />
* [[Help: How to parse data in library catalogs]]<br />
* [[Help: Using Worldcat data]]<br />
* [[Help: How to upload images to the ISFDB wiki]]<br />
* [[Help:Using HTML in Note Fields]] The limited forms of HTML which are permissible in ISFDB note fields<br />
* [[Gutter code|How to Interpret Gutter Codes]]<br />
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==Connections between data==<br />
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* [[Help: How to merge authors]] (only two can be merged at once)<br />
* [[Help: How to record a pseudonym]] if the name X is really a pseudonym of author Y<br />
* [[Help: How to merge titles]] if two separate works are really the same<br />
* [[Help: How to merge publications]] if two separately entered editions are really the same<br />
* [[Help: How to record a variant title]] if two different titles by the same author are really the same work<br />
* [[Help: How to reverse a variant title relationship]] between the main title and its variant title<br />
* [[Help: How to unmerge titles]] if two books listed under the same title are actually two different books (or, how to move a publication from one title to another)<br />
* [[Help: How to separate two authors with the same name]] if there are two people who have exactly the same name<br />
* [[Help: How to connect serials to titles]]: relation between a magazine serialization and the novel it serializes<br />
* [[Help: How to work with series]]: organizing books and stories into series<br />
* [[Help: How to create a link to a US Library of Congress (Loc) record]]<br />
* [[Help: How to link a magazine to its wiki page and add it to a magazine series]]<br />
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==Deleting and modifying data==<br />
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* [[Help: How to delete a book]] from the ISFDB<br />
* [[Help: How to update author data]]<br />
* [[Help: How to update a publication]] if information about a book is incorrect<br />
* [[Help: How to change a story in a collection]] or anthology<br />
* [[Help: How to remove content from a publication]], most often story from a book, if it's listed there mistakenly<br />
* [[Help: How to verify data]] if you've checked the book personally data and found that the entry is correct<br />
* [[Help: How to convert a novel to a "chapterbook"]]<br />
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==Finding Data==<br />
* [[Help:How to Use the ISFDB's Basic Search]]<br />
* [[Help:How to Use the ISFDB's Advanced Search]]<br />
* [[Help:Searching the ISFDB with an outside search engine]]<br />
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===Notes===<br />
Note that there is no way to directly delete an author. If all the title information for an author is deleted, the author will disappear from the ISFDB, but there is no "Delete Author" function. Similarly, there is no way to directly create an author; once a work by that author is entered, an author record will appear automatically.</div>DESiegel60https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Help_talk:Using_Templates_and_HTML_in_Note_Fields&diff=280324Help talk:Using Templates and HTML in Note Fields2012-07-22T14:33:03Z<p>DESiegel60: header</p>
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<div>A number of comments were made on the community portal as this page was being drafted and revised. Those comments have been copied here so that they will remain associated with the help page. Further discussion of how to improve the page can take place in added sections below these. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 14:33, 22 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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==Pass 1==<br />
<small>Copied from [[ISFDB:Community Portal/Archive/Archive24#New Help page on HTML use]] -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 14:25, 22 July 2012 (UTC)b </small> <br />
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I have just created [[Help:Using HTML in Note Fields]], as I recall that this subject confused many editors, both in how to enter HTML and how to understand HTML that had been entered by others. It is not yet linked from any other help page. Please take a look and let me know your views, and whether you think this is acceptable to link to from appropriate parts of the help system. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 02:23, 5 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Looks good, though I'm not sure that it's correct to say that <nowiki><br></nowiki> "is considered poor style" in a guide to writing HTML. Just because <nowiki><br /></nowiki> is required in XHTML, that doesn't mean <nowiki><br></nowiki> isn't proper HTML. Or maybe things have changed since I learned HTML. Will HTML5 require a slash to close single tags (like <nowiki><p></nowiki> and <nowiki><hr></nowiki>), not just the paired tags? (I think XHTML requires ''everything'' to be closed.) [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:31, 5 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::XHTML '''does''' require everything to be closed, and won't accept <nowiki><br></nowiki> or similar formations, as I understand it. Current texts on HTML discourage the <nowiki><br></nowiki> form. However, I just looked through the HTML5 docs in some detail, and found that it considers <nowiki><br></nowiki> to be normal. I will change the text. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 04:42, 5 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::BTW HTML5 is treating <nowiki><p></nowiki> as a paired tag, with the end of the paragraph to be marked with <nowiki></p></nowiki>. It is removing many "purely presentational" elements and attributes that were previously deprecated in favor of CSS3, such as the font tag. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 06:59, 5 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
:: Looks useful, but I'm a little concerned about what it might encourage. It's possible to totally break a submission with invalid HTML/XML that means it can't be fixed without ''really'' special knowledge on the part of a moderator. (No, I'm not going to explain how to submit such.) I agree with Michael that "is considered poor style" probably isn't that helpful at the moment. But if the "Links" section can be left till later, I'm fairly OK with it. But it's 4AM here and I may not be talking sense. (I seem to be speaking up for European Mods and Editors that DO go to sleep at natural hours, to talk to North American Editors that find this time quite OK.) [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 04:03, 5 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::Since people DO use these, and they are present in many existing records, new editors will see them. This means that a) thy will want to know what they mean and do, and b) existing examples will be imitated. Therfore I thought it better to provide a very limited list of acceptable HTML to show people what forms are acceptable, and how to do them correctly. I thought it would also serve as a reference for moderators on what HTML constructs are safe, with the idea that anything not in this list would be at least queried by a mod when approving. It would be nice to have the software itself warn of possibly invalid html when a submisison is presented for approval -- maybe someday. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 04:42, 5 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::: I like the page; I think it finds a good balance between completeness and simplicity. I would offer a few suggestions: (1) I think you could improve that balance a bit by not mentioning the nested <nowiki><ul></nowiki> commands; I think that's used rarely enough that it's not necessary; (2) You write as if the use of <nowiki><li></nowiki> without a matching <nowiki></li></nowiki> is going to fail at some point. The [http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/lists.html HTML 4 Standard] recommends using that format. There are ''so many'' web pages written in HTML 4 that I cannot imagine any situation under which browsers will not be able to properly interpret a strict 4.0 page. (3) Others have raised concerns about your wording on <nowiki><br> vs. <br /></nowiki>. I think the current wording is still misleading. In particular, you write "However future versions of HTML are expected to support the <nowiki><br></nowiki> form", which sounds as if earlier versions ''did not'' support the <nowiki><br></nowiki> tag. Yet that has been the recommended tag from HTML 1.0 through 4.0 (yes, I did build web pages in HTML 1.0). And I think that the wording that "some editors consider <nowiki><br></nowiki> to be poor style" almost certainly exaggerates the number of such editors (it would be like saying "some Geologists believe in the young Earth theory"). (4) Under the section on "Links", it might be worth noting that editors should only add links to pages that won't change; and possibly mention that links to Locus1 are ''not'' permanent links, and hence shouldn't be used.<br />
:::: Regardless of my list of issues, I think this is quite a useful help page. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 08:16, 5 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::I like it. I think if you mentioned in the intro section (or make it have two sub-sections, one for "paired tags" and one for) "unpaired tags", and then described that they can be unclosed or self-closed and gave an example, that might help. It keeps the opening/closing concept all in one spot. Then when you get to BR you can call it an unpaired tag and mention they might see it one of two ways, with no further explanation. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:27, 5 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
(unindent) Thank you for your comments. Earlier this year, I took an HTML & CSS course where both professor and text strongly encouraged writing all HTML so that it was also XHTML compliant, and I got the impression that this was likely to be required in future versions. But on reading through the HTML5 current draft, I find that it explicitly preserves the distinction between HTML and XHTML syntax checking, and explicitly says that rendering agents arexpected to ignore minor syntax errors in HTML mode, and also explicitly permits the <nowiki><li></nowiki> tag's closing tag to be omitted even in strict XHTML mode, IF the next element is another <nowiki><li></nowiki> tag or the end of the document. (This seems to mean that if the list is properly closed, the very last li element must be closed or an error will occur in strict XHTML mode. But that is a subtlety not relevant to HTML documents, it seems.)<br />
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I will rewrite the page simplifying further, not privilaging XHTML syntax, and incorporating other suggestions above. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 16:27, 5 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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<small>Copied from [[ISFDB:Community Portal/Archive/Archive24#New Help page on HTML use]] -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 14:25, 22 July 2012 (UTC) </small> <br />
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Rewrite done, opinions sought. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 17:54, 5 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: Very nice! Some comments: (i) I made 3 minor changes to the "Links" section (see the history for the details). (ii) There's a little bit of redundancy between the section on "Unpaired Tags" and the following section on "Line Breaks", you might want to re-read those together and see if that can be improved a bit; (iii) You have a section on "Un'''numbered''' Lists", for the <nowiki><ul></nowiki> tag. The [http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/lists.html#h-10.2 HTML 4.0 Standard] says the name of that tag is "Un'''ordered''' Lists" (emphasis mine), which is the only way to make sense of the name "Ordered List" for the <nowiki><ol></nowiki> tag. (iv) You asked about whether you should leave in the nested Unordered lists. I have mixed feelings about it, but I guess that I wouldn't mind leaving it in, but would prefer if you left it for the end of that section, e.g. after the "Example". (Always do the standard stuff first, the special cases later.) (v) I'm tempted to recommend the inclusion of the Ordered list tag. I don't remember ever seeing it in a note, but it's fairly common in Wiki pages that editors may be looking at as well. However, opening the floodgates to the html they'll see in those Wiki pages is fraught with dangers. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 04:29, 6 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
::Thank you. Your changes are fine with me.<br />
::Yes there is redundancy between the unpaired tags section and the stuff about the br tag, one is the general concept and the other is the specifc example, they are intentionally a trifle redundant, IMO most good instructional writing is a bit redundant to drive points home.<br />
::You are correct that the formal name for the construct created by the ul tag is "unordered list" but i've never liked that because it '''isn't''' unordered, the order of the li items is preserved, it is simply unnumbered. <br />
::I thought about including ordered (numbered) lists, but doing so would implicitly authorize use of them in note fields, which I'm not at all sure we want to do. The help pages on wiki editing already describe how to create numbered lists in wiki-code, which is rather different than the HTML ol tag anyway (although it translates into an ol tag for the browser, no one sees that unless they use "view source" on the rendered wiki page). <br />
::If I move the nested list after the example it has to be in a subsection of its own, which I thought would lend it undue importance. It is at the end of the description, everything after it is example. But it could be moved if people prefer. <br />
::Do you think this is ready to go live? That is, be linked from existing help pages, and perhaps have the "not final" header removed? -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 06:07, 6 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::I'm ok with it, although I agree with Darrah's redundancy comment. My thinking about putting the "unpaired tag" information in the intro section was to keep the tag sections simple -- most people won't need the technical detail, just information about what to do. A suggested revision:<br />
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::::''Line breaks are perhaps the most common HTML used in ISFDB note fields, and the only commonly used [[Help:Using_HTML_in_Note_Fields#Unpaired_tagstag|unpaired tag]]<strike> that is not part of a tag pair</strike>.''<br />
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::::''Simply entering a return into a notes field will not cause a line break to display. A line break can be forced by using a "break" tag. This is often entered as '''<nowiki><br /></nowiki>'''. <strike>The closing slash marks the break tag as "self-closing", that is, not part of a tag pair.</strike> The shortcut form '''<nowiki><br></nowiki>''' also works, the closing slash is strictly optional. <strike>This is true in all current versions of HTML and all current browsers. Moreover, future versions of HTML are expected to continue to support the '''<nowiki><br></nowiki>''' form, so editors may use either form in ISFDB note fields.</strike>''<br />
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:::If you want to keep some of the additional semi-technical information about HTML and browser support, I suggest incorporating it into that new unpaired tags section. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:11, 6 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::Reasonable idea, revision done. Any other comments from anyone? -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 15:26, 6 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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<small>Copied from [[ISFDB:Community Portal#Help for HTML in note fields]] -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 14:29, 22 July 2012 (UTC) </small> <br />
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Last December I drafted [[Help:Using HTML in Note Fields]] and revised it in accord with some suggestions from various editors, but there wasn't, as I recall, a clear consensus to remove the "not final" header and link this from other help pages.<br />
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Does anyone object to this going "live" and becoming as final as any of our help pages ever is? Does anyone have any further suggestions for it? -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 18:41, 8 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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: Looking at this page again, I object. I think these instructions are weighted much too heavily to the unnecessarily technical approach to using HTML, and are bad advice to editors whose interest lie more towards the SF and less towards being an HTML geek. For example, it says "it is a very bad idea to use the less than (<) or greater than (>) signs in your note text, because the browser may mix them with tags." This is absurdly rare. The possibility that a normal person would write something with a < or > sign that is confused for a tag by a browser is essentially zero. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 19:47, 8 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Pips55#.3E You would think so.] There was an editor a couple of years ago who liked to use the character (>) as a pointer, and I had to stop him because his records came up as errors in the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/ph_search.cgi Potential HTML Errors in Publication Notes] script. (BTW, how many other moderators run these scripts other than Bill Longley and me?) [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:58, 8 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:The page also argues for using lines using the <nowiki><li></nowiki>Copyright 1984 by Jane Jones.<nowiki></li></nowiki> format. There is NO reason to use the <nowiki></li></nowiki> tag, except to make your Note harder to read by other humans. It is unnecessary, not required by any version of html, never will be required by any version of html, and in the small amount of space we have for editing notes, serves only to make the actual text harder to read. The same statement is true for the recommendation of <nowiki><br /></nowiki> instead of <nowiki><br></nowiki>. The ONLY reason to do that is to say you're more of an html geek than someone else is. Your statement that "This is often entered as <nowiki><br /></nowiki>" is completely false on ISFDB -- almost everyone uses the simpler <nowiki><br> </nowiki>. For unnumbered lists, you only recommend the use of the <nowiki><ul><li></li><li></li></ul></nowiki> format, whereas by at least a 3 to 1 margin, existing ISFDB editors use the <nowiki><br>• <br>• </nowiki> format, which uses 1/3-rd as many html tags as your recommendation, and has essentially the same list appearance. <br />
: There are many parts of this page which are very good, and will be quite helpful to editors. However, it is written in such a way as to make it much harder for the html weak (or illiterate) editor to do the simplest of our common tasks. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 19:47, 8 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:: I agree that the instructions concerning <nowiki><br /></nowiki> and <nowiki></li></nowiki> are unnecessary. But I use the HTML for unnumbered lines in ALL of my notes, and never use <nowiki><br>•</nowiki> which was popularized by one prolific note editor, and picked up by others. Either way, that's a matter of preference, not style. Where did the 3 to 1 statistic come from? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:58, 8 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:::Please note [[User talk:Pips55#.3E|this recent exchange]] in which a > character did in fact cause a problem, which is what prompted me to add this section. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 20:05, 8 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::::I linked to that discussion in my response to Darrah above. Thanks for adding the part to the Help page about using that character in the Note field for a non-HTML purpose. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:21, 8 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::::That link wasn't yet present, or i failed to see it, when i wrote the above. There have been multiple edit conflicts in this exchange. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 20:29, 8 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:::As to the &lt;br /> and &lt;/li> forms, they '''are''' out there. (I am NOT the only editor who uses them routinely, I believe. In any case I do use them routinely.) Editors '''will''' see them, and should be able to find out what they mean. Moreover, I do '''not''' "only" recommend these forms. I specifically say "Therefore closing &lt;/li> tags may be used or omitted in ISFDB note fields as each editor prefers, there should be no difference in the resulting display." I make a similar comment about &lt;br /> tags. I can add an example without the &lt;/li> tags if you like. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 20:27, 8 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
::::I have added such an example, so a user can use it as a model if desired. I have also changed "often" to "sometimes" in mention of &gt;br />.<br />
:::I admit that I expect a future version of HTML to deprecate these (unclosed) forms, but it will be years if ever before a browser won't accept them. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 20:10, 8 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::As to making it "harder for the html weak (or illiterate) editor" to do things, I expect that such an editor will use copy, paste and modify either from this help page or from an example s/he finds and likes. The difference in effort in copying a model with or without &lt;/li> tags is essentially zero, that is all subsumed in the initial paste. As to "the small amount of space we have for editing notes" the permitted length of a note field is, i understand, far longer than any sensible note would ever be, even in the most verbose possible HTML. As long as a single line of the note shows in the edit window (which scrolls), there should be no problem -- and many records will have notes which require scrolling, even with nothing but br tags. I don't think your arguments have any weight. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 20:27, 8 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::Oh, I might add, the "browser may mix them" language is straight from the w3schools page on HTML entities, to which i link. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 20:36, 8 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::::I've just looked over the help page and can't find anything of substance to object to. Any reasonably intelligent editor, without any knowledge of HTML, should be able to start using it after looking over these instructions. If not, that's what moderators are for (ha!). I see no reason why the page can't go "live". But let's wait for a consensus before doing so. (There's a couple of typos that I'll clean up in the meantime.) [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 21:00, 8 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::::Thank you, awaiting further comments. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 21:10, 8 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::::::The copy editor in me came out, so I did a few more changes for clarity, and added an example of an OCLC link. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 21:59, 8 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
::::::::One issue with the copyedit: You added the text "MLA (Modern Language Association) Style requires that book and magazine (container) titles be entered using italics, while essay and story (contained) titles be entered using standard parentheses." to the section on boldface. But the ISFDB does not, as far as I know, use MLA style. For mentions of works in notes, I (and I think most other editors) follow the more general convention of placing titles of shortfiction and essays in "quotes". All or almost all, uses of boldface I have seen in ISFDB notes are there to emphasize specific words, not to mark of titles or other parts of citations. One or two editors seem to do this with some frequency (and I think used to do it more often), most others rarely if ever use boldface in notes, except maybe in a note such as "Do '''not''' merge collection X (1928) with collection X (1932): they are '''not''' the same work." Thus the mention of MLA format has little or nothing to do with the use of boldface. I suggest removing this text. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 05:26, 9 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::It was a momentary brain fart. Of course, I should said that contained titles should be in quotes, not parentheses. I'll change that immediately, but I still think it's worthy of mentioning MLA Style in that part of the help section to discourage editors to use of bold markings for titles. And believe me, David, I've seen enough submissions that do exactly that. There are hundreds verified by Dragoondelight and other editors throughout the database. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 06:04, 9 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::::::: Some data points on what we actually do: There are 68,234 publication records that use <nowiki>< br ></nowiki> for their Note line breaks (or at least some of their line breaks). There are 21,797 records that use the <nowiki>< li ></nowiki> format. That's more than a 3 to 1 preference for <nowiki>< br ></nowiki> over <nowiki>< li ></nowiki>. The Advanced Search doesn't allow me to search for the bullet character, so I can't tell how many of the former use the bullets as well. Personally, I like both the <nowiki>< br > • </nowiki> form and the <nowiki>< li ></nowiki> form, and think we should document them both. The part that annoys me is the use of the unnecessary <nowiki>< /li ></nowiki> and <nowiki><br /></nowiki> tags. Only 3,334 of the records that use <nowiki>< li ></nowiki> also use the unnecssary line ending tag, i.e. about 15% of them. There are 4,075 pub records that use the spurious "/" with <nowiki><br></nowiki>. That's less than 6% as many records as use the simplified form. I see no reason to appear to be recommending unnecessary complexity over simplicity. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 04:24, 9 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::::::: Very well, you have established that the <nowiki>< br ></nowiki> form is significantly more common than the <nowiki>< br /></nowiki> form in existing ISFDB notes, that the <nowiki>< br ></nowiki> is more common than than the <nowiki>< li ></nowiki> form, and that the majority of its uses do not use closing <nowiki>< /li ></nowiki> tag. You have also documented that there are thousands of notes that '''do''' use the <nowiki>< br /></nowiki>, and <nowiki>< /li ></nowiki> forms, and tens of thousands that use the <nowiki>< li ></nowiki> form. Therefore editors '''will''', sooner or later, encounter these forms, and they should be documented on the page. I believe that the page as it now stands does '''not''' "recommend" any of these forms over another -- it documents the <nowiki>< br ></nowiki> and <nowiki>< br /></nowiki>, forms, and explicitly states that their output is identical, allowing editors to chose for themselves. It does not even give any arguments for choosing the <nowiki>< br /></nowiki> form. Similarly, it documents the <nowiki>< li ></nowiki> and <nowiki>< li >< /li ></nowiki> forms with examples of each, and again explicitly says that their output is identical, with nary an argument for one over the other. I don't see any harmful recommendations here -- what would you suggest I change? Would you have me remove documentation of the <nowiki>< br /></nowiki> and <nowiki>< /li ></nowiki> forms altogether? That risks confusing people when they find forms not documented. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 05:07, 9 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
::::::::I admit that i do not like the <nowiki>< br > • </nowiki> form, for two reasons: 1) it requires using a character not available on the ordinary keyboard, which must be entered via the alt-number interface, or via character map or a similar tool, or by copying from a template. Any of these adds trouble for no gain, IMO. 2) it doesn't wrap properly if a list item is longer than a single line, which is common in notes, particularly when a cover image has reduced the available width for the display of the publication data, including the notes, as is often the case. A true list (using li) wraps the second line of text flush with the start of the first, whereas the <nowiki>< br > • </nowiki> form wraps the text under the bullet above. Therefore I discourage this form. If you want I will add documentation of this form to the page, but if I do I will mention these issues, since they are practical and not merely stylistic. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 05:07, 9 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::For similar reasons, I also dislike the user-created bullet. Regardless of my feelings toward it, there's no reason whatsoever to explain how to do it on a page that instructs editors how to enter HTML in an ISFDB record's note field. I firmly believe its use arose from an editor, seeing an HTML-derived bullet, thought that alt+7 was the way to enter a similar bullet into the note field. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 06:22, 9 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::By the way, i wonder what would be shown if we had a time-stamp of each of those note fields? Would the use of one form be more common in recent notes than in older ones? I suspect that the li forms have increased significantly in recent years relative to the br forms. However I can't document this, and I doubt that queries on the db could easily determine it one way or the other. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 05:07, 9 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
::::::::So, what changes would you suggest to the page as it now stands? I presume we both want to make this page as useful as possible to ISFDB editors with no or limited experience with HTML. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 05:07, 9 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::David, I think you've made a good case about retaining the HTML options on the help page, regardless of the frequency with which either one is used. Darrah, I'm puzzled why you feel that there should be no mention of any option other than the most popular usage. The wording is quite neutral and doesn't push one over the other. Like David, I hope you (and others) might come up with constructive suggestions. Let's hope that our "fluency" in HTML isn't clouding our judgement here. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 06:04, 9 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::*Browsers will automatically choose an appropriate bullet character. Nested lists will get different bullets to make them more easily distinguishable from one another. In fact, the "Notes" section already appears in a bulleted list. Hard-coding any character can defeat that useful behavior.<br />
::::::::::Yes, raw HTML editing is probably something only a geek (and I'm one) could love, but I think most people will be able to follow the help without too much difficulty. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:36, 9 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::: I'm not a big fan of HTML in notes as it makes things harder to read offline, when I'm looking for notes in the database backups. I do use < br > but follow it with a carriage return as well, which works as a nice compromise. I'm particularly against using it to highlight individual words as searches may miss it - e.g. "Do not merge" and "Do < b >NOT< /b > merge" are different. As for "•", I never use it but don't actually remove them. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 11:01, 9 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::::You are correct, Bill, that searches may be affected by HTML tags in notes, but then they can also be affected by varieties of wording, and a good search will take account of this. If you search for 'merge' you will find both "Do not merge" and "Do < b >NOT< /b > merge". If you search for 'not merge' you won't find the second, but you also won't find "don't merge", "do not ever merge" "be sure not to merge", "should not be merged" and the like. Anything that finds all or most of these will also find "Do < b >NOT< /b > merge", I think. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 17:06, 9 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::::: And would also find "PLEASE MERGE!" left by an editor that hasn't coped with the complexities of that yet. (There are enhancements in the pipeline to make merging more intuitive and less likely to cause loss of data.) I'm looking a bit far ahead - I'm not sure how many users have even noticed the comparatively new ability to search notes - but I can already foresee some of the problems. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 19:43, 9 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
(Unindent) there have been no comments for 10 days now. Any further suggestions or requests for changes or other comments before I take this live? -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 15:21, 19 July 2012 (UTC)</div>DESiegel60https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Help_talk:Using_Templates_and_HTML_in_Note_Fields&diff=280322Help talk:Using Templates and HTML in Note Fields2012-07-22T14:29:20Z<p>DESiegel60: /* Pass 3 */</p>
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I have just created [[Help:Using HTML in Note Fields]], as I recall that this subject confused many editors, both in how to enter HTML and how to understand HTML that had been entered by others. It is not yet linked from any other help page. Please take a look and let me know your views, and whether you think this is acceptable to link to from appropriate parts of the help system. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 02:23, 5 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Looks good, though I'm not sure that it's correct to say that <nowiki><br></nowiki> "is considered poor style" in a guide to writing HTML. Just because <nowiki><br /></nowiki> is required in XHTML, that doesn't mean <nowiki><br></nowiki> isn't proper HTML. Or maybe things have changed since I learned HTML. Will HTML5 require a slash to close single tags (like <nowiki><p></nowiki> and <nowiki><hr></nowiki>), not just the paired tags? (I think XHTML requires ''everything'' to be closed.) [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:31, 5 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::XHTML '''does''' require everything to be closed, and won't accept <nowiki><br></nowiki> or similar formations, as I understand it. Current texts on HTML discourage the <nowiki><br></nowiki> form. However, I just looked through the HTML5 docs in some detail, and found that it considers <nowiki><br></nowiki> to be normal. I will change the text. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 04:42, 5 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::BTW HTML5 is treating <nowiki><p></nowiki> as a paired tag, with the end of the paragraph to be marked with <nowiki></p></nowiki>. It is removing many "purely presentational" elements and attributes that were previously deprecated in favor of CSS3, such as the font tag. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 06:59, 5 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
:: Looks useful, but I'm a little concerned about what it might encourage. It's possible to totally break a submission with invalid HTML/XML that means it can't be fixed without ''really'' special knowledge on the part of a moderator. (No, I'm not going to explain how to submit such.) I agree with Michael that "is considered poor style" probably isn't that helpful at the moment. But if the "Links" section can be left till later, I'm fairly OK with it. But it's 4AM here and I may not be talking sense. (I seem to be speaking up for European Mods and Editors that DO go to sleep at natural hours, to talk to North American Editors that find this time quite OK.) [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 04:03, 5 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::Since people DO use these, and they are present in many existing records, new editors will see them. This means that a) thy will want to know what they mean and do, and b) existing examples will be imitated. Therfore I thought it better to provide a very limited list of acceptable HTML to show people what forms are acceptable, and how to do them correctly. I thought it would also serve as a reference for moderators on what HTML constructs are safe, with the idea that anything not in this list would be at least queried by a mod when approving. It would be nice to have the software itself warn of possibly invalid html when a submisison is presented for approval -- maybe someday. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 04:42, 5 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::: Regardless of my list of issues, I think this is quite a useful help page. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 08:16, 5 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::I like it. I think if you mentioned in the intro section (or make it have two sub-sections, one for "paired tags" and one for) "unpaired tags", and then described that they can be unclosed or self-closed and gave an example, that might help. It keeps the opening/closing concept all in one spot. Then when you get to BR you can call it an unpaired tag and mention they might see it one of two ways, with no further explanation. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:27, 5 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
(unindent) Thank you for your comments. Earlier this year, I took an HTML & CSS course where both professor and text strongly encouraged writing all HTML so that it was also XHTML compliant, and I got the impression that this was likely to be required in future versions. But on reading through the HTML5 current draft, I find that it explicitly preserves the distinction between HTML and XHTML syntax checking, and explicitly says that rendering agents arexpected to ignore minor syntax errors in HTML mode, and also explicitly permits the <nowiki><li></nowiki> tag's closing tag to be omitted even in strict XHTML mode, IF the next element is another <nowiki><li></nowiki> tag or the end of the document. (This seems to mean that if the list is properly closed, the very last li element must be closed or an error will occur in strict XHTML mode. But that is a subtlety not relevant to HTML documents, it seems.)<br />
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I will rewrite the page simplifying further, not privilaging XHTML syntax, and incorporating other suggestions above. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 16:27, 5 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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<small>Copied from [[ISFDB:Community Portal/Archive/Archive24#New Help page on HTML use]] -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 14:25, 22 July 2012 (UTC) </small> <br />
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Rewrite done, opinions sought. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 17:54, 5 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: Very nice! Some comments: (i) I made 3 minor changes to the "Links" section (see the history for the details). (ii) There's a little bit of redundancy between the section on "Unpaired Tags" and the following section on "Line Breaks", you might want to re-read those together and see if that can be improved a bit; (iii) You have a section on "Un'''numbered''' Lists", for the <nowiki><ul></nowiki> tag. The [http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/lists.html#h-10.2 HTML 4.0 Standard] says the name of that tag is "Un'''ordered''' Lists" (emphasis mine), which is the only way to make sense of the name "Ordered List" for the <nowiki><ol></nowiki> tag. (iv) You asked about whether you should leave in the nested Unordered lists. I have mixed feelings about it, but I guess that I wouldn't mind leaving it in, but would prefer if you left it for the end of that section, e.g. after the "Example". (Always do the standard stuff first, the special cases later.) (v) I'm tempted to recommend the inclusion of the Ordered list tag. I don't remember ever seeing it in a note, but it's fairly common in Wiki pages that editors may be looking at as well. However, opening the floodgates to the html they'll see in those Wiki pages is fraught with dangers. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 04:29, 6 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
::Thank you. Your changes are fine with me.<br />
::Yes there is redundancy between the unpaired tags section and the stuff about the br tag, one is the general concept and the other is the specifc example, they are intentionally a trifle redundant, IMO most good instructional writing is a bit redundant to drive points home.<br />
::You are correct that the formal name for the construct created by the ul tag is "unordered list" but i've never liked that because it '''isn't''' unordered, the order of the li items is preserved, it is simply unnumbered. <br />
::I thought about including ordered (numbered) lists, but doing so would implicitly authorize use of them in note fields, which I'm not at all sure we want to do. The help pages on wiki editing already describe how to create numbered lists in wiki-code, which is rather different than the HTML ol tag anyway (although it translates into an ol tag for the browser, no one sees that unless they use "view source" on the rendered wiki page). <br />
::If I move the nested list after the example it has to be in a subsection of its own, which I thought would lend it undue importance. It is at the end of the description, everything after it is example. But it could be moved if people prefer. <br />
::Do you think this is ready to go live? That is, be linked from existing help pages, and perhaps have the "not final" header removed? -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 06:07, 6 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::I'm ok with it, although I agree with Darrah's redundancy comment. My thinking about putting the "unpaired tag" information in the intro section was to keep the tag sections simple -- most people won't need the technical detail, just information about what to do. A suggested revision:<br />
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::::''Line breaks are perhaps the most common HTML used in ISFDB note fields, and the only commonly used [[Help:Using_HTML_in_Note_Fields#Unpaired_tagstag|unpaired tag]]<strike> that is not part of a tag pair</strike>.''<br />
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::::''Simply entering a return into a notes field will not cause a line break to display. A line break can be forced by using a "break" tag. This is often entered as '''<nowiki><br /></nowiki>'''. <strike>The closing slash marks the break tag as "self-closing", that is, not part of a tag pair.</strike> The shortcut form '''<nowiki><br></nowiki>''' also works, the closing slash is strictly optional. <strike>This is true in all current versions of HTML and all current browsers. Moreover, future versions of HTML are expected to continue to support the '''<nowiki><br></nowiki>''' form, so editors may use either form in ISFDB note fields.</strike>''<br />
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:::If you want to keep some of the additional semi-technical information about HTML and browser support, I suggest incorporating it into that new unpaired tags section. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:11, 6 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::Reasonable idea, revision done. Any other comments from anyone? -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 15:26, 6 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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<small>Copied from [[ISFDB:Community Portal#Help for HTML in note fields]] -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 14:29, 22 July 2012 (UTC) </small> <br />
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Last December I drafted [[Help:Using HTML in Note Fields]] and revised it in accord with some suggestions from various editors, but there wasn't, as I recall, a clear consensus to remove the "not final" header and link this from other help pages.<br />
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Does anyone object to this going "live" and becoming as final as any of our help pages ever is? Does anyone have any further suggestions for it? -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 18:41, 8 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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: Looking at this page again, I object. I think these instructions are weighted much too heavily to the unnecessarily technical approach to using HTML, and are bad advice to editors whose interest lie more towards the SF and less towards being an HTML geek. For example, it says "it is a very bad idea to use the less than (<) or greater than (>) signs in your note text, because the browser may mix them with tags." This is absurdly rare. The possibility that a normal person would write something with a < or > sign that is confused for a tag by a browser is essentially zero. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 19:47, 8 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Pips55#.3E You would think so.] There was an editor a couple of years ago who liked to use the character (>) as a pointer, and I had to stop him because his records came up as errors in the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/ph_search.cgi Potential HTML Errors in Publication Notes] script. (BTW, how many other moderators run these scripts other than Bill Longley and me?) [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:58, 8 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:The page also argues for using lines using the <nowiki><li></nowiki>Copyright 1984 by Jane Jones.<nowiki></li></nowiki> format. There is NO reason to use the <nowiki></li></nowiki> tag, except to make your Note harder to read by other humans. It is unnecessary, not required by any version of html, never will be required by any version of html, and in the small amount of space we have for editing notes, serves only to make the actual text harder to read. The same statement is true for the recommendation of <nowiki><br /></nowiki> instead of <nowiki><br></nowiki>. The ONLY reason to do that is to say you're more of an html geek than someone else is. Your statement that "This is often entered as <nowiki><br /></nowiki>" is completely false on ISFDB -- almost everyone uses the simpler <nowiki><br> </nowiki>. For unnumbered lists, you only recommend the use of the <nowiki><ul><li></li><li></li></ul></nowiki> format, whereas by at least a 3 to 1 margin, existing ISFDB editors use the <nowiki><br>• <br>• </nowiki> format, which uses 1/3-rd as many html tags as your recommendation, and has essentially the same list appearance. <br />
: There are many parts of this page which are very good, and will be quite helpful to editors. However, it is written in such a way as to make it much harder for the html weak (or illiterate) editor to do the simplest of our common tasks. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 19:47, 8 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:: I agree that the instructions concerning <nowiki><br /></nowiki> and <nowiki></li></nowiki> are unnecessary. But I use the HTML for unnumbered lines in ALL of my notes, and never use <nowiki><br>•</nowiki> which was popularized by one prolific note editor, and picked up by others. Either way, that's a matter of preference, not style. Where did the 3 to 1 statistic come from? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:58, 8 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:::Please note [[User talk:Pips55#.3E|this recent exchange]] in which a > character did in fact cause a problem, which is what prompted me to add this section. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 20:05, 8 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::::I linked to that discussion in my response to Darrah above. Thanks for adding the part to the Help page about using that character in the Note field for a non-HTML purpose. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:21, 8 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::::That link wasn't yet present, or i failed to see it, when i wrote the above. There have been multiple edit conflicts in this exchange. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 20:29, 8 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:::As to the &lt;br /> and &lt;/li> forms, they '''are''' out there. (I am NOT the only editor who uses them routinely, I believe. In any case I do use them routinely.) Editors '''will''' see them, and should be able to find out what they mean. Moreover, I do '''not''' "only" recommend these forms. I specifically say "Therefore closing &lt;/li> tags may be used or omitted in ISFDB note fields as each editor prefers, there should be no difference in the resulting display." I make a similar comment about &lt;br /> tags. I can add an example without the &lt;/li> tags if you like. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 20:27, 8 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
::::I have added such an example, so a user can use it as a model if desired. I have also changed "often" to "sometimes" in mention of &gt;br />.<br />
:::I admit that I expect a future version of HTML to deprecate these (unclosed) forms, but it will be years if ever before a browser won't accept them. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 20:10, 8 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::As to making it "harder for the html weak (or illiterate) editor" to do things, I expect that such an editor will use copy, paste and modify either from this help page or from an example s/he finds and likes. The difference in effort in copying a model with or without &lt;/li> tags is essentially zero, that is all subsumed in the initial paste. As to "the small amount of space we have for editing notes" the permitted length of a note field is, i understand, far longer than any sensible note would ever be, even in the most verbose possible HTML. As long as a single line of the note shows in the edit window (which scrolls), there should be no problem -- and many records will have notes which require scrolling, even with nothing but br tags. I don't think your arguments have any weight. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 20:27, 8 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::Oh, I might add, the "browser may mix them" language is straight from the w3schools page on HTML entities, to which i link. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 20:36, 8 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::::I've just looked over the help page and can't find anything of substance to object to. Any reasonably intelligent editor, without any knowledge of HTML, should be able to start using it after looking over these instructions. If not, that's what moderators are for (ha!). I see no reason why the page can't go "live". But let's wait for a consensus before doing so. (There's a couple of typos that I'll clean up in the meantime.) [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 21:00, 8 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::::Thank you, awaiting further comments. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 21:10, 8 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::::::The copy editor in me came out, so I did a few more changes for clarity, and added an example of an OCLC link. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 21:59, 8 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
::::::::One issue with the copyedit: You added the text "MLA (Modern Language Association) Style requires that book and magazine (container) titles be entered using italics, while essay and story (contained) titles be entered using standard parentheses." to the section on boldface. But the ISFDB does not, as far as I know, use MLA style. For mentions of works in notes, I (and I think most other editors) follow the more general convention of placing titles of shortfiction and essays in "quotes". All or almost all, uses of boldface I have seen in ISFDB notes are there to emphasize specific words, not to mark of titles or other parts of citations. One or two editors seem to do this with some frequency (and I think used to do it more often), most others rarely if ever use boldface in notes, except maybe in a note such as "Do '''not''' merge collection X (1928) with collection X (1932): they are '''not''' the same work." Thus the mention of MLA format has little or nothing to do with the use of boldface. I suggest removing this text. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 05:26, 9 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::It was a momentary brain fart. Of course, I should said that contained titles should be in quotes, not parentheses. I'll change that immediately, but I still think it's worthy of mentioning MLA Style in that part of the help section to discourage editors to use of bold markings for titles. And believe me, David, I've seen enough submissions that do exactly that. There are hundreds verified by Dragoondelight and other editors throughout the database. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 06:04, 9 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::::::: Some data points on what we actually do: There are 68,234 publication records that use <nowiki>< br ></nowiki> for their Note line breaks (or at least some of their line breaks). There are 21,797 records that use the <nowiki>< li ></nowiki> format. That's more than a 3 to 1 preference for <nowiki>< br ></nowiki> over <nowiki>< li ></nowiki>. The Advanced Search doesn't allow me to search for the bullet character, so I can't tell how many of the former use the bullets as well. Personally, I like both the <nowiki>< br > • </nowiki> form and the <nowiki>< li ></nowiki> form, and think we should document them both. The part that annoys me is the use of the unnecessary <nowiki>< /li ></nowiki> and <nowiki><br /></nowiki> tags. Only 3,334 of the records that use <nowiki>< li ></nowiki> also use the unnecssary line ending tag, i.e. about 15% of them. There are 4,075 pub records that use the spurious "/" with <nowiki><br></nowiki>. That's less than 6% as many records as use the simplified form. I see no reason to appear to be recommending unnecessary complexity over simplicity. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 04:24, 9 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::::::: Very well, you have established that the <nowiki>< br ></nowiki> form is significantly more common than the <nowiki>< br /></nowiki> form in existing ISFDB notes, that the <nowiki>< br ></nowiki> is more common than than the <nowiki>< li ></nowiki> form, and that the majority of its uses do not use closing <nowiki>< /li ></nowiki> tag. You have also documented that there are thousands of notes that '''do''' use the <nowiki>< br /></nowiki>, and <nowiki>< /li ></nowiki> forms, and tens of thousands that use the <nowiki>< li ></nowiki> form. Therefore editors '''will''', sooner or later, encounter these forms, and they should be documented on the page. I believe that the page as it now stands does '''not''' "recommend" any of these forms over another -- it documents the <nowiki>< br ></nowiki> and <nowiki>< br /></nowiki>, forms, and explicitly states that their output is identical, allowing editors to chose for themselves. It does not even give any arguments for choosing the <nowiki>< br /></nowiki> form. Similarly, it documents the <nowiki>< li ></nowiki> and <nowiki>< li >< /li ></nowiki> forms with examples of each, and again explicitly says that their output is identical, with nary an argument for one over the other. I don't see any harmful recommendations here -- what would you suggest I change? Would you have me remove documentation of the <nowiki>< br /></nowiki> and <nowiki>< /li ></nowiki> forms altogether? That risks confusing people when they find forms not documented. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 05:07, 9 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
::::::::I admit that i do not like the <nowiki>< br > • </nowiki> form, for two reasons: 1) it requires using a character not available on the ordinary keyboard, which must be entered via the alt-number interface, or via character map or a similar tool, or by copying from a template. Any of these adds trouble for no gain, IMO. 2) it doesn't wrap properly if a list item is longer than a single line, which is common in notes, particularly when a cover image has reduced the available width for the display of the publication data, including the notes, as is often the case. A true list (using li) wraps the second line of text flush with the start of the first, whereas the <nowiki>< br > • </nowiki> form wraps the text under the bullet above. Therefore I discourage this form. If you want I will add documentation of this form to the page, but if I do I will mention these issues, since they are practical and not merely stylistic. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 05:07, 9 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::For similar reasons, I also dislike the user-created bullet. Regardless of my feelings toward it, there's no reason whatsoever to explain how to do it on a page that instructs editors how to enter HTML in an ISFDB record's note field. I firmly believe its use arose from an editor, seeing an HTML-derived bullet, thought that alt+7 was the way to enter a similar bullet into the note field. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 06:22, 9 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::By the way, i wonder what would be shown if we had a time-stamp of each of those note fields? Would the use of one form be more common in recent notes than in older ones? I suspect that the li forms have increased significantly in recent years relative to the br forms. However I can't document this, and I doubt that queries on the db could easily determine it one way or the other. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 05:07, 9 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
::::::::So, what changes would you suggest to the page as it now stands? I presume we both want to make this page as useful as possible to ISFDB editors with no or limited experience with HTML. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 05:07, 9 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::David, I think you've made a good case about retaining the HTML options on the help page, regardless of the frequency with which either one is used. Darrah, I'm puzzled why you feel that there should be no mention of any option other than the most popular usage. The wording is quite neutral and doesn't push one over the other. Like David, I hope you (and others) might come up with constructive suggestions. Let's hope that our "fluency" in HTML isn't clouding our judgement here. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 06:04, 9 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::The proposed text looks fine to me. As for '''<nowiki><br>• </nowiki>''', I think we should actively discourage its use and allow/encourage conversion of it to '''<nowiki><ul><li></li></ul></nowiki>''' (whether the list entries are closed or not is beside my point). There are two minor reasons for this:<br />
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::::::::::*Browsers will automatically choose an appropriate bullet character. Nested lists will get different bullets to make them more easily distinguishable from one another. In fact, the "Notes" section already appears in a bulleted list. Hard-coding any character can defeat that useful behavior.<br />
::::::::::Yes, raw HTML editing is probably something only a geek (and I'm one) could love, but I think most people will be able to follow the help without too much difficulty. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:36, 9 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::: I'm not a big fan of HTML in notes as it makes things harder to read offline, when I'm looking for notes in the database backups. I do use < br > but follow it with a carriage return as well, which works as a nice compromise. I'm particularly against using it to highlight individual words as searches may miss it - e.g. "Do not merge" and "Do < b >NOT< /b > merge" are different. As for "•", I never use it but don't actually remove them. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 11:01, 9 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::::You are correct, Bill, that searches may be affected by HTML tags in notes, but then they can also be affected by varieties of wording, and a good search will take account of this. If you search for 'merge' you will find both "Do not merge" and "Do < b >NOT< /b > merge". If you search for 'not merge' you won't find the second, but you also won't find "don't merge", "do not ever merge" "be sure not to merge", "should not be merged" and the like. Anything that finds all or most of these will also find "Do < b >NOT< /b > merge", I think. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 17:06, 9 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::::: And would also find "PLEASE MERGE!" left by an editor that hasn't coped with the complexities of that yet. (There are enhancements in the pipeline to make merging more intuitive and less likely to cause loss of data.) I'm looking a bit far ahead - I'm not sure how many users have even noticed the comparatively new ability to search notes - but I can already foresee some of the problems. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 19:43, 9 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
(Unindent) there have been no comments for 10 days now. Any further suggestions or requests for changes or other comments before I take this live? -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 15:21, 19 July 2012 (UTC)</div>DESiegel60https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Help_talk:Using_Templates_and_HTML_in_Note_Fields&diff=280321Help talk:Using Templates and HTML in Note Fields2012-07-22T14:25:01Z<p>DESiegel60: copy comments during development to preserve their history along with the help page</p>
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<small>Copied from [[ISFDB:Community Portal/Archive/Archive24#New Help page on HTML use]] -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 14:25, 22 July 2012 (UTC)b </small> <br />
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I have just created [[Help:Using HTML in Note Fields]], as I recall that this subject confused many editors, both in how to enter HTML and how to understand HTML that had been entered by others. It is not yet linked from any other help page. Please take a look and let me know your views, and whether you think this is acceptable to link to from appropriate parts of the help system. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 02:23, 5 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Looks good, though I'm not sure that it's correct to say that <nowiki><br></nowiki> "is considered poor style" in a guide to writing HTML. Just because <nowiki><br /></nowiki> is required in XHTML, that doesn't mean <nowiki><br></nowiki> isn't proper HTML. Or maybe things have changed since I learned HTML. Will HTML5 require a slash to close single tags (like <nowiki><p></nowiki> and <nowiki><hr></nowiki>), not just the paired tags? (I think XHTML requires ''everything'' to be closed.) [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:31, 5 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::XHTML '''does''' require everything to be closed, and won't accept <nowiki><br></nowiki> or similar formations, as I understand it. Current texts on HTML discourage the <nowiki><br></nowiki> form. However, I just looked through the HTML5 docs in some detail, and found that it considers <nowiki><br></nowiki> to be normal. I will change the text. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 04:42, 5 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::BTW HTML5 is treating <nowiki><p></nowiki> as a paired tag, with the end of the paragraph to be marked with <nowiki></p></nowiki>. It is removing many "purely presentational" elements and attributes that were previously deprecated in favor of CSS3, such as the font tag. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 06:59, 5 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
:: Looks useful, but I'm a little concerned about what it might encourage. It's possible to totally break a submission with invalid HTML/XML that means it can't be fixed without ''really'' special knowledge on the part of a moderator. (No, I'm not going to explain how to submit such.) I agree with Michael that "is considered poor style" probably isn't that helpful at the moment. But if the "Links" section can be left till later, I'm fairly OK with it. But it's 4AM here and I may not be talking sense. (I seem to be speaking up for European Mods and Editors that DO go to sleep at natural hours, to talk to North American Editors that find this time quite OK.) [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 04:03, 5 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::Since people DO use these, and they are present in many existing records, new editors will see them. This means that a) thy will want to know what they mean and do, and b) existing examples will be imitated. Therfore I thought it better to provide a very limited list of acceptable HTML to show people what forms are acceptable, and how to do them correctly. I thought it would also serve as a reference for moderators on what HTML constructs are safe, with the idea that anything not in this list would be at least queried by a mod when approving. It would be nice to have the software itself warn of possibly invalid html when a submisison is presented for approval -- maybe someday. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 04:42, 5 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::: Regardless of my list of issues, I think this is quite a useful help page. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 08:16, 5 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::I like it. I think if you mentioned in the intro section (or make it have two sub-sections, one for "paired tags" and one for) "unpaired tags", and then described that they can be unclosed or self-closed and gave an example, that might help. It keeps the opening/closing concept all in one spot. Then when you get to BR you can call it an unpaired tag and mention they might see it one of two ways, with no further explanation. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:27, 5 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
(unindent) Thank you for your comments. Earlier this year, I took an HTML & CSS course where both professor and text strongly encouraged writing all HTML so that it was also XHTML compliant, and I got the impression that this was likely to be required in future versions. But on reading through the HTML5 current draft, I find that it explicitly preserves the distinction between HTML and XHTML syntax checking, and explicitly says that rendering agents arexpected to ignore minor syntax errors in HTML mode, and also explicitly permits the <nowiki><li></nowiki> tag's closing tag to be omitted even in strict XHTML mode, IF the next element is another <nowiki><li></nowiki> tag or the end of the document. (This seems to mean that if the list is properly closed, the very last li element must be closed or an error will occur in strict XHTML mode. But that is a subtlety not relevant to HTML documents, it seems.)<br />
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I will rewrite the page simplifying further, not privilaging XHTML syntax, and incorporating other suggestions above. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 16:27, 5 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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Rewrite done, opinions sought. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 17:54, 5 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: Very nice! Some comments: (i) I made 3 minor changes to the "Links" section (see the history for the details). (ii) There's a little bit of redundancy between the section on "Unpaired Tags" and the following section on "Line Breaks", you might want to re-read those together and see if that can be improved a bit; (iii) You have a section on "Un'''numbered''' Lists", for the <nowiki><ul></nowiki> tag. The [http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/lists.html#h-10.2 HTML 4.0 Standard] says the name of that tag is "Un'''ordered''' Lists" (emphasis mine), which is the only way to make sense of the name "Ordered List" for the <nowiki><ol></nowiki> tag. (iv) You asked about whether you should leave in the nested Unordered lists. I have mixed feelings about it, but I guess that I wouldn't mind leaving it in, but would prefer if you left it for the end of that section, e.g. after the "Example". (Always do the standard stuff first, the special cases later.) (v) I'm tempted to recommend the inclusion of the Ordered list tag. I don't remember ever seeing it in a note, but it's fairly common in Wiki pages that editors may be looking at as well. However, opening the floodgates to the html they'll see in those Wiki pages is fraught with dangers. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 04:29, 6 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
::Thank you. Your changes are fine with me.<br />
::Yes there is redundancy between the unpaired tags section and the stuff about the br tag, one is the general concept and the other is the specifc example, they are intentionally a trifle redundant, IMO most good instructional writing is a bit redundant to drive points home.<br />
::You are correct that the formal name for the construct created by the ul tag is "unordered list" but i've never liked that because it '''isn't''' unordered, the order of the li items is preserved, it is simply unnumbered. <br />
::I thought about including ordered (numbered) lists, but doing so would implicitly authorize use of them in note fields, which I'm not at all sure we want to do. The help pages on wiki editing already describe how to create numbered lists in wiki-code, which is rather different than the HTML ol tag anyway (although it translates into an ol tag for the browser, no one sees that unless they use "view source" on the rendered wiki page). <br />
::If I move the nested list after the example it has to be in a subsection of its own, which I thought would lend it undue importance. It is at the end of the description, everything after it is example. But it could be moved if people prefer. <br />
::Do you think this is ready to go live? That is, be linked from existing help pages, and perhaps have the "not final" header removed? -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 06:07, 6 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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<div>==What are non-genre magazines?==<br />
I have moved a long parenthetical sentence to a separate paragraph, "What are non-genre magazines?", and cleaned up a few spelling/grammar issues, but I also wonder if we want to describe the data entry rules in detail here or point the users to the main Help page/template that deals with these issues? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 19:05, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Page is still a work-in-progress, i saved it only because I had to be away from my computer for a while and did not wish to risk a crash.<br />
:My reason for describing the data entry rules in detail here is to specify which ones are actually optional for this special case. i will include a link to the main help on these issues as well.-[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 19:12, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Dialog between Bill and DES ==<br />
Thanks for creating this! I composed my response offline so apologies for any criticisms that have already been fixed.[[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:20, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:No problem, responding inline, inserting copies of your signature to make it clear who wrote what. This is still very much a work in progress, which is why it isn't linked anywhere yet. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 22:57, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
"What are non-genre magazines?" - we should include examples of newspapers too. The New York Times, the London Evening Standard, for example.[[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:20, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Agreed, will do. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 22:57, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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"Why should one enter non-genre magazines" is a question, so either it needs a "?" at the end or should be changed to "Why one should enter non-genre magazines" (statement). [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:20, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Agreed, will do. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 22:57, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
It also doesn't state WHEN we should add such: <br />
* When the first printing was in a magazine? <br />
* When the first printing in a certain country was in a magazine? <br />
* For ANY printing in a magazine? <br />
* Do we include SF stories that have ONLY appeared in non-genre magazines (so far)? <br />
* If an author is notable enough that we're including their non-genre books, do we include their non-genre shortfiction in non-genre magazines?<br />
* When we spot stories by SF authors in such a magazine, do we include them "just in case" or leave them out? [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:20, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:I would say that an editor may choose to create stub entries for any of the above, but it is more important when the first or only printing (or first or only printing in the English language, since the ISFDB is English-language-centered) is in a non-genre publication. <br />
:As to non-genre short-fiction, i would tend to leave it out for now, but that is really a separate discussion, and i don't presume to settle that question now.<br />
:As to stories by known SF authors, when the editor doesn't have the actual story at hand, and must guess as to whether it is SF or not, that would be a judgment call, IMO. If it were me, i would tend to do additional research and see if i could find some other reference (an anthology, a lotus listing, or whatever) to indicate tha tit was SF before listing it, unless the author involved was pretty well known to write nothing but SF, or the title suggested that it was SF, or perhaps suggested that it was part of a known SF series, or something of the sort. failing that I wouldn't list, but I don't want to state that as a rule. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 22:57, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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"Required data" - all the example dates are day, month, year: I've bowed to American format and allowed month, day, year for Saturday Evening Post entries for example. Do we want them regularized in general, or for each magazine, or do we not care? (Personally I vote for "not care" - these are only stubs and the CONTENT is important, DATE of the publication is important, date FORMAT in a title is not.) [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:20, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Standardizing within a given magazine is IMO a '''Good Thing''', beyond that i don't think it is vital. I'll mention other date formats. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 22:57, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:: It's purely cosmetic. One thing I do want to avoid though is the need to create individual Wiki pages for each magazine to state the rules for such - I think the "look at other editions for formatting advice" you give is a good guideline though. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]]<br />
:::Largely cosmetic, but not quite purely. If you know the format used, and it has been used consistantly, doing a search for a specific issue is easier and more reliable (that is, no result really means no such issue on file.) But I agree it isn;t vital, and if anyoen really wants to do clenup afterwards to enforce consistancy it is easy enough to do, there is no need for the editor who does inital entry to feel constrained by hard and fast rules on this point. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 20:51, 20 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::: That's the main thing for me - keep this simple or it will put people off. We've already gone from one simple submission, to maybe needing two (if Editor Series have become desirable). Even creating the Non-Genre Magazine index has meant there may be three edits needed, if it's a new one: and then we've gone from ISFDB-editing to Wiki-editing (and you know how many editors are currently frustrating us by not even finding their own talk-page!). If we're not going to standardize all dates though, I doubt anybody will remember exactly how each magazine title is formatted: and as I don't want us to create Wiki pages for each non-genre magazine to record such, my original 'title, abbreviated month, year' in separate fields is still likely to be my preferred search. (Or is anyone thinking of entering Months numerically for any particular title?) [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:39, 20 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::I don't disagree that things need to be as simple as possible. Note that editor-series, if though valuable, can be done afterwards by anyone who thinks they are valuable, there is no need to require the editor who does the initial entry to do them. The same is true of editing wiki pages. As for date format, I'll standardize them if people want that, and write a standard into the help page, but I was trying not to be overly prescriptive in leaving that a bit looser. Mind you, if we did create such wiki pages they should be short and quick to create, and once created should need little maintenance -- if someone else thinks it worth the effort I don't see why you would complain. I don't plan to create such pages at this time, however. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 22:13, 20 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
"date of the issue (or issues, in the case of a serial) " confuses me too. I don't think we should discourage entry of a single episode if that's all that we know about. There's no guarantee that a serial completed even in a genre magazine. I think at this point that we should also mention that if we HAVEN'T found a precise edtion of a magazine, notes on the title record will do just fine in the meantime - there's no good reason to make a monthly or weekly or even daily title look like an annual if all we have is a year.[[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:20, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:I intended that line to cover cases where a serial is know to have been printed in multiple issues, and the dated of each issue are known. i will cover the other possibilities better. i agree with you when a reasonably accurate issue date is not known, leave it to a title note. I will mention title notes in general better. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 22:57, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
"If there is no information about a variant title, you may assume that the title was not changed." I think this is too dangerous an assumption. Many references don't state that it was published under a different title in ISFDB terms (lacked or added a leading "The" for example). I think the default should be "assumed the same, but not proven" until we get a primary check. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:20, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:What i meant was, in the absence of evidence, enter the title in the known later form, but obviously this can be changed when and if evidence is found. I didn't mean to imply that was good enough to verify on. I think we are in agreement on this, just a question of how to say it for clarity. I'll reword. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 22:57, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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"Steps to take" - if we've done it right with the "Editors of..." stuff, then there's no need to go to ADVANCED search at all unless there's going to be a LOT of results and you want a smaller results page. Some existing data is also missing the EDITOR record so I wouldn't recommend restricting the search by that yet. If we do find there's enough data to want to narrow it down, I find title, month (abbreviated), year in the three separate fields of the "ISFDB Publication Search Form" best - that avoids any problems where the title format is vague. And these are only stubs - we have to be allowed to be a bit vague. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:20, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:I '''DO''' want to allow for stubs to be entered with the actual editor's name when known, and not all such will be marked as pesuds of "the editors of" since that is a separate step that may be missed. Besides, I would send people to advanced search anyway to avoid the 100-entry limit, we're already over thirty on the SEP<br />
Editor Field - either we stick with "Editors of MAGAZINE NAME" (and we probably need to standardize Magazine name a bit - e.g. I've no idea when Collier's was "Weekly" or "Magazine") or we have problems. Pseudonyms are currently controversial - they work well as pseudonyms of "Editors of MAGAZINE NAME" but creating such makes "promotion" of such editors to full ISFDB "Author" a major pain. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:20, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Then I will remove the recommendation to make such entries pesuds, but I think that if the actual editor's name is known, it is perverse not to enter it.<br />
:: I'm not recommending NOT entering such at all, but if it's an insignificant detail then a note for the relevant issue is enough, IMO. When it's someone like {{A|Alice K. Turner}} then it's not insignificant. If people are against pseudonyms (and I can see why) then we can either leave notes or credit the Editor in the database field, in which case we've lost all the simplicity of entering these: the original suggestions meant you could create these stubs in ONE sunmission. As soon as you start adding inconsistencies then it means more work - e.g. varying the Editor (which breaks simple search for "Editors of...") means that to keep all the publications together you have to go along the lines of swfritter's Editor Series. Which means a second edit pass and second approval at a minimum. The more work we make, the less likely people are to do it: this is also why I demonstrated that for small runs of magazines, with consistent editors, it's easy to add one link to the set without doing all that work. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 20:26, 20 August 2008 (UTC) <br />
:::My feeling is that a) we can't be sure that we know who is "significant" or not, it might well be that a change of editor will correlate with a change in the frquency of SF content, and b) really any editor is significant. IMO the only reason to use an "editors of" entry is when we don't know and can't easily find the actual editor's name. When i make such entreis I plan to dop a little research, at least a google search and an OCLC searc. if either yields an actual editor's name i would of course use that instead of "editors of".-[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 20:46, 20 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::: Then I'll leave you to do the Editor Series work. (And I think we should probably stress that people '''enter the data anyway''', the people that CARE about such can fix it up later - if this help page ends up with too many rules then I want it separated into "How to Enter" for normal editors and "How to Arrange" for the zealots.) To me, almost all Editors are '''IN'''significant. Really. Even Campbell or Gernsback. ('''"SACRILEGE!!"''', I know). The Editors I have been known to look for are Damon Knight and John Carnell - but currently ISFDB isn't even properly set up to search for all real Editors whose taste in selected works is something I share. I'd search for "Angus Wells" if it did but Editors of Single-Author Collections don't get credited. I'd much rather that was sorted than add every J. Random Bloke that ever edited a non-genre magazine to our Author directory. We're already having to deal with multiple authors with the same name, I'd like to minimise the risk of more collisions between Good SF Bloke and nonentity with same name. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 22:30, 20 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::As for the issue with searching, i frankly don't see it as a major issue. Instead of searching on "Editors of Playboy" one can just do a title search on "Playboy", or an advanced title search on "Title=Playboy" and "titletype=Editor". The latter finds all the same records, plus at least one that already exists using a real editor's name (the above mentioned {{A|Alice K. Turner}}). (Indeed several of the playboy editors may have been significant -- i have read comments in author's intros to stories about various SF authors having ongoing relationships with such editors.) -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 20:46, 20 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::: The simple search for title Playboy gives 57 results, none of them of type Magazine. Yes, WE know we have to look for the EDITOR records among them, but many of our casual users don't. (Seriously, go show ISFDB to someone that's never seen it before but likes SF - the "Simple" searches are anything but that to them, the results are so polluted with things they never wanted to see it really does put people off - but I know that's something Al will have to attend to, we won't fix that here.) Advanced search does mostly give us what we want, but 1) there are still a LOT of missing Editor records (I had to fix half a dozen just to do the few non-genre mags we've just covered) and 2) if we've put people off with a bad Simple search there's no way we're going to get them to try Advanced. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 22:30, 20 August 2008 (UTC) <br />
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"In the year field enter the date of publication in YYYY-MM-DD format as closely as it is known" - this again is where we should consider title notes instead. There's no point creating a "Playboy 1962-00-00" record just because you haven't pinned down which of a dozen it is. Nor a "Saturday Evening Post 1962-02-00" record if you can't pin it down to one of the four (or was it five that year?). If it's not accurate enough, title notes are the way to go. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:20, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:I was thinking more of magazines that were only quarterly, If the issue was "1892 Spring" i would put the date as 1892-00-00. Similarly a monthly or bimonthly would not have the day, and might not have the year, filled in. I will clarify a bit. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 22:57, 19 August 2008 (UTC) <br />
Publisher - I don't want too many new publishers, leave blank if it's not someone publishing SF. Or at least keep it consistent. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:20, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Consistent yes. I don't think most of these mags had all that many publishers, and in most cases people working form secondary sources will leave this blank anyway. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 22:57, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
Page count - approximations are enough for me.<br />
Format - I'm not bothered, just don't invent any more new ones please. I've left dimensions in notes when I found them. "Digest", "Pulp", "Bedsheet" are STILL so poorly defined here that I wouldn't use them anyway. (Someone go fix the regular help please?) [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:20, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:OK I'll suggest leaving this field blank. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 22:57, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
Notes - Ah, this is one of the big philosophical differences. Yes, if you think you have a good authoritative source, mention it. If you're creating a Frankenpub from multiple sources, as I occasionally do, I prefer NOT to reveal my sources as I want them investigated. Quoting sources for such may stop people investigating further and from challenging entries. Even an "Information sourced from Ebay auction" comment seems to make people think "that's good enough for me". (And in this case, [http://www.philsp.com/homeville/FMI/0start.htm#TOC The FictionMags Index] does have a LOT of such.) [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:20, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:I strongly dosage. I want to know what sources a person used so i know where not to waste time and where else might be worth looking, or on the other hand where to check if an entry seems odd. Indeed if I were the ISFDB dictator, i might be inclined to say "make no entry at all without a noted source". But I'm not, still i want to encourage listing the sources used. Still we can discuss the matter. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 22:57, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:: It's precisely BECAUSE people want to "know where not to waste time" that I avoid such notes - as I don't think a double-check is ever wasted. (Treble might be, quadruple, quintuple ones, yes... but I'm still waiting for multiple verifier support. I might stop checking everything when I see two or three careful verifiers have put their names to something.) And I don't mean just go check I transcribed it right, I mean RESEARCH it by the best means you know how. (Any good sources I find are mentioned in ISFDB, just not at publication level.) It's probably not worth a big discussion - we've had those before, and you're not the only person telling me I should quote sources, but I think my slightly maverick attitude helps in the long run. If '''I''' don't quote sources, it means someone that thinks sources are essential '''will''' double-check it. Of course, someone could just delete the 80% of data here that doesn't have a source credited and start over again: but if so I'd rather they do it with our data on another site. Al might get a bit annoyed that so much of his original typing was wasted, too. -[[User:BLongley|BLongley]] <br />
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:::I am not proposing to delete unsourced data, but like anthologies without page numbers, I would hope it becomes rarer over time. You may be right about lack of sources inducing people to double check, but it is still a bit unfair IMO, people should be able to decide if they want to spend time double-checking you, or single-checking stuff that no one has really vetted at all. As for myself, if I see something that looks odd, I am I think at least as likely to check it if I see a source listed, perhaps by trying a different source, to see if they agree. If no one ever records sources, who will we know when something has in fact been quadruple-checked, and avoid quintuple checks. Well I've made my point, and I probably won't convince you. But I think it it is a good idea for this help page in particular to recommend recording sources, as this sort of data is even more likely than most to be built on secondary sources, and recording them may help us get a better handle on where our info is coming from, and may induce some people to do a bit more research when creating an entry. Frankly, i suspect that many if not most of the "non-genre magazine" entries will come, not from general checklist such as we might have in the "sources" page, but from "acknowledgments" or "history" sections of reprint anthologies. I could be wrong. If people actually record their sources we might find out. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 21:35, 20 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::: Oh, don't let me discourage YOU from adding sources: I just think with current ISFDB software a mixture of those editors that don't add sources and those that do is probably healthier all round in the meantime and encourages multiple checks. If I didn't research as much as I do I'd probably be adding far more notes AGAINST current entries: which might be another useful indication, e.g. if I spot an Ace publication with an ISBN starting "07221" I immediately know that can't be right: I could add a reference to the publisher page that points out which publisher DOES use that prefix, and it isn't Ace: or I could just remove the incorrect ISBN: or correct the pub from my other research: or delete it entirely. I make deletion a last resort, but as people won't always go down to pub level notes I prefer to correct rather than note, where possible (I don't want anyone thinking Ace ever published 07221 pubs if they're just looking at a publisher/year summary, for instance). [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 23:35, 20 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::: One thing that MIGHT make me change my practices is if notes were signed, verifiably. I agree over-checking is a waste of resources, and I'd be happy to stop checking a pub from secondary sources if it had, say, been checked by you against [http://www.philsp.com/homeville/FMI/0start.htm#TOC The FictionMags Index] and swfritter had commented that another later magazine said it was a reprint from that exact magazine, and MHutchins mentioned that the original magazine was credited in a Collection. I believe Al is working on Edit Histories that might give me that confidence that Notes were added by the person that the Notes SAY added it (and in the meantime, you might want to add "SIGN your notes" as a guideline). Of course, I'll never be truly satisfied until it's been Primary Verified several times over by people I respect, and I want people to treat my edits with the same paranoia I exhibit towards other people's work. (I see I've recently passed 30,000 edits - I'd guess at least 5,000 of those are correcting myself, 1,000 of the rest are probably still not perfect, and there's 100s where other people gently pointed out where I may gone wrong. I do NOT want to sound "authoritative" in any way - so I WANT a bit of vagueness about the reliability of anything here, before anybody finds out that I am actually a conglomerate of Scientologists sent here to establish a reliable reputation before we reveal the fact that L. Ron Hubbard wrote all Speculative Fiction, ever, and we WILL shortly submit and approve the Variant Authors when you're all asleep. ;-) [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 23:35, 20 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::::Well, as Bill said, you are not the only one pointing out that recording one's sources is a Good Idea for numerous reasons. For starters, an unsourced FrankenPub can be misleading since it doesn't warn casual users where the data comes from and that it may not be reliable due to possible conflation of multiple publications -- see examples below. Moreover, even if Bill returns to the pub later on, he (not to mention other editors) will probably have to re-do all the legwork since he won't remember what sources he may have checked. Finally, based on prior experience with unsourced publications, the Frankenpubs will be eventually reviewed and re-checked by other editors, who will confirm and source some of the data elements and move the rest of them to Notes with a comment along the lines of "Original ISFDB record stated that the publication date was 1923-00-00, but the source of this information is unknown". Doesn't look like a productive way to approach things, but it's been my experience that many otherwise sane contributors occasionally disagree with me (!) on what appear to be clearcut issues. Probably something in the water... [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 23:19, 20 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::::: (Is this a Trialog now? Not sure of the term...) Anyway, yes, casual users aren't warned about where the data came from but that is a problem that has existed since ISFDB1. Verification adds another level of possible reliability, but still isn't guaranteed (see all the questions about "your verified pub" on active editor's talk pages), and people can look at a pub and ask themselves "it's not verified - should I trust it?" or "it's Tuck-verified, good enough for me" or "primary-verified - well, I'm still not sure, but I know who to ask now". I could add a lot of "Amazon says this was actually published under the name Enid Blyton" notes and that wouldn't improve our data at all. I'm not adding random data - anything I do add that isn't primary is researched to a level that has convinced ME, currently, that such a publication exists with that data. If I do come back and think it looks wrong based on what I know now, I'm happy to research it again, unbiased by prior notes. Re-doing the legwork is not a problem in my eyes, it probably SHOULD be done every so often until enough people stamp their approval on it. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 01:11, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::: I'll give away an example of the sort of things I do add. "First British publication" entries based on credits in a later British paperback edition. ISFDB lacks a LOT of such pubs for titles where we have only the US versions. I usually don't credit them as "First British publication" as there's often some weasel-phrases involved and "First Published in Great Britain by Sphere in 1974" may actually mean that's the year that Sphere first published it here, NOT that it was the first British publication. But it's a probable genuine publication we don't have here, and so I'll add it, after checking that Amazon/Alibris/Abebooks/Ebay or such have it and some sellers give similar date details, and I'll probably get an ISBN out of such searches too. It's a good starting point, but next year it might not be for sale anywhere and I'd start again. Why don't I just state what it says in the pub I started from? It's because you can't handle the truth until you all understand British printing practices. (I have multiple editions of the same title that swear it was originally published by Panther: or Granada: or Grafton: they're all right in a way.) Adding items that demand further research is fine by me, at least I've pointed you all at something that NEEDS more research. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 01:11, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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The exceptions (for me) are entries from some sources that people think are good but I'm yet to be convinced of - so I'll quote OCLC if that's all I used. But if I found a pub on "Read It, Swap It" and somebody on Alibris wants to sell it to me, and Amazon admit it exists but assure me it's by HarperCollins even though the pub existed years before HarperCollins was formed, and there's a cover-scan on somebody's personal site that we can't use, but seems to prove there was a Panther edition, even if Panther was just an imprint of Granada by then, I'm not going to quote sources. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:20, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:In that kind of case i might say something like "Data combined from various online vendors, no one of which seems fully reliable". The notes I really want are "Data from 'acknowledgments' section of ''Best Vampire Stores'' edited by Elwood and Greenburg" (to make up an example). -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 22:57, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:: I do add some notes about sources in a roundabout way - e.g. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?FNDTNDWDRP1990 here] is information about 36 different printings, recorded in the source. The page for that title is long enough already that I didn't use it to create all 36 though, just the ones I could verify. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:20, 20 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:I'll be getting back to this later tonight.<br />
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== Other Comments ==<br />
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*Do not enter a cover artist, nor a cover image URL. Leave both fields blank.<br />
I'm curious about the above limitation. Could we extend this and allow 'genre' covers and cover artists to be listed? (i.e. the Cover is for the SF work being added)<br />
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You may also want a line about crediting interior artwork (When its associated with the SF work.<br />
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:Interior art is mentioned in the fifth step of [http://208.100.59.10/wiki/index.php/Help:Entering_non-genre_magazines#Steps_to_take this section]. I see your point about the cover art of the magazine. I agree that if the cover illustrates the spec-fic that's indexed, it and its artist should be credited. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 01:35, 20 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Fair enough, i will qualify this. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 01:50, 20 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:::Agreed. Bonestell for example did covers for [http://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/C/Colliers_space.html Colliers] which are worth recording I'd think. The articles and pictures became [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?103314 The Conquest of Space] which we have a stub entry for already. [[User:Dcarson|Dana Carson]] 03:58, 20 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Going forward ==<br />
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I think that I have incorporated all the comments made to date in the current version of the help page, and that it is reasonably complete, if not correct. Please review it and make further comments, as needed, so that we can come to a consensus on this issue. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 18:51, 20 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:You might consider adding in Step Seven that if the editor is familiar with merging that they search the author's summary page to determine if a previous title record exists, and if so, merge it with the newly created record. (I believe a title merge to be of immensely more importance than merging pub records into an editor series.) Other than that, this help page is in good enough shape to be considered part of the Help Pages. Good job, David. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 00:10, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:: Good point, Mike: I originally came at this with the view that we were trying to record original publication dates with a covering Magazine title: and so a title merge was obviously going to be the next step. Now people mention later publications, unreliability of original publication titles, making all magazines nicely standardized, etc, we may have lost sight of this. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 01:23, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::I will add that. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 15:45, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Done. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 20:46, 23 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Further Comments ==<br />
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*In What are non-genre Magazines, the last two sentences "General newspapers, such as the New York Times and the London Times have occasionally published SF. Any issues containing works of speculative fiction can also be entered in the same way as a non-genre magazine." should be combined to read "General newspapers, such as the New York Times and the London Times have occasionally published SF and any issues containing works of speculative fiction can also be entered in the same way as a non-genre magazine."<br />
**If you want to change it, you may, and I won't revert. i think the two sentance version is better writing, but that is a matter of taste and/or judgement. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 15:58, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
*In "Why...." second paragraph, "It is never required...." should be changed to "It is not currently required...." or "It is not always required...." or even better... "It is not always necessary...." ''Never'' is such a strict word. (''Required'' is too.)<br />
*:I agree, siding with "It is not always necessary..." Much more user friendly. <br />
[[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 00:36, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
*::I was trying to be friendly, to imply "you don't have to do this if you don't choose to." I will reword. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 15:58, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
*In "Required Data": "The name(s) of the author(s) credited in the initial publication." is flat wrong. We would (and mention a few lines later) gladly take the canonical name of the author, if that is all that is available. Perhaps a better first sentence would be "The name(s) of the author(s) as credited in the initial publication, or if unknown then the name of the author as shown in a secondary source." - This line needs more work... I don't like what i just wrote either.<br />
*:Actually, author credit should be the name of the author EXACTLY as credited in THIS non-genre publication. We can worry about merging and creating variants if this happens to be a non-canonical title. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 00:36, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
*:::That is more or less what I was trying to say. Beter wording welcomed. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 15:58, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
*::What I meant here is that secondary sources don't always list the pseudonym, if any were used. By '''Requiring''' it you exclude secondary data... which you accept later in the same paragraph. The paragraph contradicts itself.[[User:Kpulliam|Kevin]] 02:11, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
*:::I'll clarify this. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 15:58, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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*In "Steps to take", "In the "year" field...." I think we need more definition on the quirks of periodical dating. Some obvious dating problems (that a predefined conversion would solve:<br />
**Mid-MONTH should be entered as YEAR-MM-15<br />
**:Really? I would have entered it as YEAR-MM-00, I would never put a day in unles a specific day was known with precisiuon, normally only for a dalily pub or a weekly one with a known day of issue. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 15:58, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
**::There are 13-14 years of Analog and Asimovs with Mid-MONTH issues. I just spot checked a few. As you said, none of the ones I spot checked had a day to indicate it was published AFTER the MONTH issue (but then several of them didn't even have a MONTH entered even though the month was in the title). Is it '''really''' more accurate to imply simultaneous same day publication of 2 issues, as to imply a separation of some weeks between the issues? (This may need to be a separate discussion)[[User:Kpulliam|Kevin]] 00:13, 23 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
**:::As I understand it, YYYY-MM-00 does '''not''' imply simultaneous publication with another pub also marked YYYY-MM-00. What it says is, this was published soemtime during the specified moth, we don't know when. Indeed when i find a '''book''' with a non-zero day specified, i normally convert it to 00 as a matter of course, unless there is a note justifing the specific day, or unless the publication has been primary verified, on the assumptuion that the day is invalid, quite probably from amazon. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 20:55, 23 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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**MONTH_XX-MONTH_XX+1 should be entered as YEAR-XX-00 (Use the first of two months listed)<br />
**:I see. i would probaly have listed it as YEAR-00-00. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 15:58, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
***Unless it's DEC-JAN and the year of publication matches JAN, then use YEAR-01-00<br />
**Is Winter at the end of the year or the beginning? Should WINTER 77 be entered as an early '77 date, or a late 77 date?<br />
**:Ah. I would have entered it as simply YRAR-00-00. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 15:58, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
***Season Month = Month Season Begins? (Or the reverse SEASON=Month Season Ends) - Barring other evidence, where FALL is in Year XX and Winter is published in YEAR XX+1.<br />
****[[Help:Screen:EditPub]] says to use YYYY-00-00 for a magazine issue with an issue date of "Fall" or other quarterly season. That seems sensible to me. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 20:47, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
**Others: BONUS, EXTRA, 'Holiday', etc. What to do if a supernumary issue falls is issued on the same day as a regular issue. (This one will be exceedingly rare to even occur and to '''ALSO''' have SF in it. Feel free to ignore this one, just postulating.<br />
***Just being silly on this one... what about those poor periodicals issued prior to 1751, where Jan 1-March 24 were part of the preceeding year by current standards... should the editors be concerned about that. (Seriously - I'm just kidding; of '''course''' we should record the ''printed date'' - Now where did I leave those copies of the Transcripts of the Proceedings of the Royal Societey.. Oh wait.. they weren't fiction - Did they 'ever' publish fiction. What IS the oldest periodical to include fiction. Newspapers have been doing it for centuries....)<br />
**Issue no. and year (no month) enter as YEAR-01-IssueNumber (This puts multiples in order) or enter it as YEAR-XX-00 through No 12. All others get entered as YEAR-12-XX?<br />
***I strongly oppose overloading the day field with issue numbers. in fact, i won't do that nor write text advising it. if that is the consensus, i won't enter such magazines. The overloading of the day with printing number was a failure, and I think this would only be worse. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 15:58, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
*In "Steps to take", "If the accurate page count (including front and back covers)" Do we really want to do this? I thought page counts excluded from and back covers. (I could be wrong, will go read the help) - Yep. I'm wrong. the instructions say use front and back covers.... BUT I believe the early astoundings and other magazines entered from secondary sources often/usually left off the covers. Something for me to go research some then)... moving on...<br />
*In "Steps to take", "If a novel-length work published in a single issue is being entered, add "(Complete Novel)" to the title, and use a type of "SERIAL"." needs an admonishing that just because the magazine calls it a 'Complete Novel' we don't. And then a link to the right help file describing that fact. <br />
::Good point, I agree this caveat should be added to this section. <br />
[[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 00:36, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Will do. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 15:58, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
*In "Steps to take", "Leave the date field blank." Why? Per previous instructions this will most likely be the first or only publication in a periodical. We have already determined ''some'' date, and it's likely an original publication. We should instruct them to duplicate the issue date unless they have a reason not to. (Or maybe I don't understand what's supposed to go here - Feel fee to throw the clue stick at me.)<br />
::The system automatically fills in blank content dates with the date of the publication as entered in its DATE field, so entering the date again for each of the content entries is superfluous. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 00:36, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Exactly. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 15:58, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::Then (As I surmised) I just didn't understand how it was working. [[User:Kpulliam|Kevin]] 00:16, 23 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
*In "Serials". "Do not assume that a serial started in one issue must have been continued in the next. There are cases where a serialization was started but never completed." - Are there really? And the next issue was published? I personally thought that the only time this happened was when a magazine went under, or didn't go to print due to war/paper/money shortages for some several months. (But I'm often wrong - I'm just questioning the need for this. Even if it didn't get published... we would want to document that with an 8888 date wouldn't we?)<br />
::Yes it happens (see the magazines edited by William F. Crawford, who stranded at least three serials.) But these were cases where the magazines died in mid-serial, as you point out. I think David (or the person who wrote that section) was merely pointing out a fact of the publishing business: don't assume anything! <br />
[[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 00:36, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Indeed soewmone else (bill?) pointed it out to me above, which is why i wrote it in. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 15:58, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
*In "Editor Pseudonyms" how about if the Editor is known, have them add both the known editor and the Editors Of. No Pseudonym problems, and this solution is upgradeable while preserving all information, and making list link (to Editor Series) wok prior to the upgrade. (besides, few editors worked in a vacuum... they must have had lackeys or henchmen)<br />
**We need more discussion on this issue, i think. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 20:49, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
*"The Alternative" should be moved to "Why one should Enter"... why make someone read to the bottom... if they were going to give up and move on.. they did it LONG before they found out about the alternative.<br />
::Good point, but if someone didn't want to know "how to enter non-genre magazines", they wouldn't have come to this page to start with. :) Putting the alternative at the end is like saying "OK, we know this may be more complicated and too much information than you expected, so here's the last resort." And if you re-read the second paragraph of the second question it states "A note in the title record for the work is an acceptable alternate way of recording the information." If anyone reads further, it's because they intend to sail the dangerous seas of non-genre magazine entry. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 00:36, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::That was more or less my thought, and don't forget there is a ToC right at the start. But if you want it moved, we can move it. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 15:58, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::I added a more explicit reference and an inter-page link at the top. i think the subject logically belongs at the bottom, but will move it if others still wish. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 20:49, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Sorry there was so much... the page as is, is great... these are just the things I thought of... many (most?) of them can be ignored. [[User:Kpulliam|Kevin]] 00:05, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:No need to apologize. We need as much feedback as we can get. This is a collaborative effort and nobody is too full of himself to think that someone else's opinion doesn't matter. If they did, they wouldn't hang around very long! [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 00:36, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
::I am very glad to get any and all commentes, even or especially if ZI don't agree with them. I will soon make at least some changes based on the above comments. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 15:58, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Date format in title is important ==<br />
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We have a standard and basically a very simple one. Why not stick to it since it does not take any great effort to do so? We should also have a system standard for periodicals which have a day of publication. I use ''Magname, August 21, 2008'' but there are other possibilities. The only thing that needs elaboration on is oddball date formats and date formats for publication types, such as newspapers, for which no current standard applies. There are a lot of fields that it is totally unnecessary to enter data into but if data is entered in these fields it should be according to standards. My own inclination would be to discourage entry in these fields but if someone wants to enter the data it should be done right. The stories are the critical data but that does not mean the standards should be totally discarded for the pub fields.--[[User:Swfritter|swfritter]] 16:40, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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: While I disagree totally about the importance, I agree there should be a standard. ONE standard, that we can document on "Help:Entering non-genre magazines", certainly not per magazine. I'm not too bothered whether that's "stick to the same format as existing magazine entries" or "exactly as stated on the magazine" or "regularized in the same way as Genre magazines". [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 19:20, 21 August 2008 (UTC) <br />
: But that's not as simple as you suggest, except for monthly titles, so that help could be improved. Yes, we need a rule for days in dates, but you also need to clarify the "Missing or variant dates" section. Does the "the form given on the magazine" rule for bimonthly or quarterly magazines ''totally'' override the "Month in full, then Year in full" bit? E.g. If a pub says: "'60, Jun/Jul issue" do we record that exactly or change it to "June-July, 1960"? The hyphenation rule immediately afterwards suggests we override part of the "the form given on the magazine" rule but doesn't make it clear if we also apply the month and year "in full" bits. The examples could also be improved - "Interzone, Fall 1979" doesn't exist. The magazine didn't even get created till 1982 and as a British magazine, there were no "Fall" issues, but some "Autumn" ones. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 19:20, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
::I have revised this a bit, is it sufficient now, or do we need a stricter or celarer standard? -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 20:50, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
::: It's the normal magazine date help that I'm questioning, and I'm without enough examples to see what is actually done in practice. Titles like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?136836 Century] may be following a standardisation rule that isn't made clear, or may be in error. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?INTRTXTJANFEB1994 Intertext] looks particularly confusing. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:05, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::The [http://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:EditPub Help] for this subject matter is totally unambiguous. I would suggest that the Help for non-genre magazines refer the user to the EditPub Help rather than trying to create a separate standard. The only specific date issues that need to be addressed in non-genre Help are for issues that are only likely to occur in non-genre pubs - newspapers come immediately to mind. I noticed that in the examples the months are not spelled out completely. I will fix them.--[[User:Swfritter|swfritter]] 16:20, 22 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::I can do that if othes agree. Any further comments by anyone? -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 16:24, 22 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::: I am frankly ASTOUNDED that anyone can state the EditPub help is currently "totally unambiguous", it's completely the opposite to me. But if it's fixed satisfactorily then I'm happy to use it and keep consistency. May I suggest an advanced Pub search for "Science Fiction Weekly" though? That seems to be a Genre magazine with consistency problems, that will cover some of the problems that will occur more often in non-Genre ones. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 19:02, 22 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Editor names ==<br />
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First of all, i think I have addressed all the comments above in the help with the exception of the issue with editor names. In some cases i may not have addressed them sufficiently, or people may not agree with my wording, but I think we have something close to a consensus. On Editor names, I think there is clear disagreement. Let me state what the various positions are, as I understand them, and see if we can come to an agreement. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 15:57, 22 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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This is about what test to put in the "editor" field when creating or editing an entry for a non-genre magazine. The choices suggested are:<br />
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#Always use "The Editors of Mag Name".<br />
#*This has some advantages:<br />
#**A search on the "name" will always return all the issues (if they have been properly created). <br />
#**As few new records as possible will be created. <br />
#**There will be no need to do research into who the editor was for any particular issue. <br />
#**There will be no chance of such a name duplicating that of a real author of SF (or editor or artist).<br />
#*Disadvantages (and responses): <br />
#**This means, in some cases, discarding accurate information of unknown significance.<br />
#**In most cases, a title search on "Mag Name" will return the same issues, including ones incorrectly created. Editor series can also be used.<br />
#**Patterns may appear in which editors published more SF.<br />
#**If an editor turns out to be a significant person in SF history, the data has already been gathered.<br />
#Use "The Editors of Mag Name" '''unless''' the editor's name is known, '''and''' the editor is in some way a person significant to the history of SF.<br />
#*This has most of the advantages and disadvantages of #1, except:<br />
#**Occasionally, searches on "The Editors of Mag Name" will be incomplete. Publication series will be needed to insure that a quick, correct, and complete search can be done. <br />
#**There is now some pressure to do research into who the actual editor of an issue was, in case it was a "significant person".<br />
#*This has the additional disadvantage that it opens up the question of who is a "significant person", which might become heated, and can't possible be cleanly resolved in all cases.<br />
#Use the name of the actual editor if reliably known, otherwise use "The Editors of Mag Name".<br />
#*This has the following advantages.<br />
#**Known data will not be discarded.<br />
#**Editors who were more accepting of SF may become known.<br />
#**Then ISFDB may be somewhat more useful as a research tool.<br />
#**Individual editors can choose whether or not to spend time researching issue editors.<br />
#**If an editor is a "significant person", data showing this will eventually be available.<br />
#*Disadvantages:<br />
#**Searches are not as clear as in #1, and publication series may be desired.<br />
#**Some people will feel pressure to research editor names, statements in the help to the contrary notwithstanding.<br />
#**Some editor names may be identical to names of actual SF authors, artists, or editors, requiring disambiguation, which may not always be done correctly.<br />
#Use the name of the actual editor if reliably known, otherwise use "The Editors of Mag Name", '''but''' if an editor name is used, make it a pseudonym of "The Editors of Mag Name".<br />
#*This has the advantages and disadvantages of #3, except:<br />
#**Searches will be as clean as in case 1.<br />
#**If an editor does turn out to be a "significant person", in particular if s/he turns out also to be an author (artist, editor) of SF, we will be stuck with a misleading and hard-to-get-rid-of pseudonym relationship.<br />
#Use the name of the actual editor if reliably known, otherwise use "The Editors of Mag Name", '''but''' if an editor name is used, make it a co-editor with "The Editors of Mag Name".<br />
#*This has the advantages and disadvantages of #3, except:<br />
#**Searches will be as clean as in case 1.<br />
#**The formulation may seem misleading or odd, but can be explained as our convention.<br />
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Personally I am inclined to favor either case 3 or case 5. I think Bill has been supporting case 1. Let's see if we can come to some consensus on the matter, so that the help can clearly indicate the preferred procedure. Let us remember that in the majority of instances, the actual editor's name will '''not''' be known unless someone visits an archival library where actual issues can be checked, or in some other way does a primary verification. This will probably be a rare event. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 15:57, 22 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:My own inclination is case 1. Any information about editors can be put in the notes.--[[User:Swfritter|swfritter]] 16:07, 22 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:: My own inclination is 1, but I am happy to start with that and let (other) people move it to 5 if some people think the non-genre editors really need to be searchable. I don't think anyone is proposing that data be discarded, as swfritter says it can always be recorded in notes (and I have done so the one time I encountered such). I have tried 4 and if people will EVER be wanting to promote to significance it is not recommended, it's far too much work to undo. I've also tried creating Series and found the extra work far outweighed the benefits (indeed I found NO benefits in most cases). [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 18:49, 22 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::By "start with 1 and permit other people to move to 5" do you mean that it would be all right with you if people chose to enter actual editor names in accord with method 5, as long as you are not expected to do so? I agree with you on the problem with 4. Would you (or anyone) object if I wrote the help to make 1 the standard but 5 a permitted and documented alternative? I do tend to favor 5 myself at this point. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 20:21, 22 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::I like 5. I believe that (over time) images/etexts for all the 'fiction' oriented periodicals will be available through Gutenberg/Google Books/Internet Archive or some similar mechanism, so I don't think it will (over time) be as rare as we might think for the info to be available. It also preserves all data in searchable/usable formats with the software we have today. [[User:Kpulliam|Kevin]] 00:26, 23 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::1 with 5 acceptable is OK. We don't want to discourage editors from entering important data by seeming to require more work than they have the time/resources to do.--[[User:Swfritter|swfritter]] 13:21, 23 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::::I have revised the help to that standard: 1 normal, 5 an optional acceptable altenative. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 20:19, 23 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Magazine titles ==<br />
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Should we use FictionMags as the first common source for determining pre-sf magazine titles? Like the isfdb it is still under construction but is seems now to be quite stable. It has the advantage of being commonly available to everyone. Most of the other sources are books, some of which are fairly expensive and/or rare. Using multiple sources would likely result in a number of inconsistencies.--[[User:Swfritter|swfritter]] 16:41, 22 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:[http://www.philsp.com/index.html Galactic Central]'s Magazine checklists also has relevant useful information, and posibly should be included on our [[Sources of Bibliographic Information]], as perhaps the FictionMags site should be. In particualr the magazine checklist have many cover scans, giving primary evidence of what the cover name, if not the title-page name, of a particular magazine was. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 16:50, 22 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
::That's even better. Help for determining magazine title does allow a little wiggle room for user discretion and a picture is worth a thousand words. Perhaps we should recommend this as the primary source and fictionmags as a secondary source since both are online.--[[User:Swfritter|swfritter]] 16:56, 22 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::The one problem there is that soemtimes a magazine used a shortened or alternative version of its name on the cover, but the full official name on the title page or masthead. How about if we reccomend checking both Galactic Central's Magazine checklists, and the FictionMags site. if they agree, so be it. If not (and they don't agree for All-Story, the covers show "The All-Story" for issues where FictionMags lists "The All-Story Magazine") a check of the LoC and/or OCLC is suggested as a tie-breaker (OCLC lists "All-Story Magazine" for those same issues). How does that procedue sound to you? all are online checks. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 20:28, 22 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Moving on ==<br />
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I think I have now incorporated all the advice given to date into the help page, or at least altered the help page in reaction to it. Are there further issues to consider? Are we ready to declare this help page as definitive as any of our help pages are? Obviously nothing in our help is ever graven in stone, that's why this is a wiki. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 20:58, 23 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:I just did some slight copy-editing, so it appears to be in good enough shape to remove the warning. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 03:00, 24 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Allow me to add that this is the first time in my relatively short time on the ISFDB (since February 2007) that a question was asked ([http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Kpulliam/Archives#Argosy_.28and_similar_Magazines.29.3F August 13, 2008]), was thoroughly discussed and completely resolved in the span of '''TEN DAYS'''. Kudos to David, Bill, and everyone else involved in the creation of this help page, and to Kevin for bringing it up in the first place. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 03:25, 24 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::I just removd the "NotFinal" tag. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 15:58, 26 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Alternate Method ==<br />
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I think the latest statement that "''this method cannot be used if the '''only''' place that an SF work has been published is in a non-genre magazine, collection, or anthology''" is not true. I will gladly teach anyone how to create a stub record in order to add a note concerning its '''only''' publication. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:55, 21 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
:So you are saying we could and should create a title record with a publication record that effectively points nowhere in order to index the title and have a place to add the title note? Yes I suppose we could do that. Shall I alter the comment to mention that possibility? -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 22:59, 21 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
::Not really. I don't think it would be necessary to qualify the "alternate method", as the possibility of this happening is relatively rare. But if you must, there's a better way of creating a title record without having a pointless publication record: add a content record to a pre-existing publication record (doesn't matter which one) and then remove it from the publication record, leaving a publess title record. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 23:41, 21 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::What made me think of it was my recent entry of {{T|1465593|"They Just Click"}}, a story so far published ONLY in a non-genre mag. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 23:45, 21 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
::::I've always felt that this depth of coverage is overkill. How is this any better than just creating a title record and noting the story's original publication? You have a publication record for an obscure non-genre magazine, an interiorart record by a corporate entity (another of my pet peeves), an editor record for a person who will probably never have a spec-fic credit, another editor record, and a publisher record for a publisher that doesn't publish spec-fic, all of which have dubious value, and all just to add a title record for a story that may get reprinted in a genre source (or may not, it really doesn't matter). But that's your call, your effort, your time, and it's entirely out of my hands. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:09, 22 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::::A minor point, CACM is actually not an obscure publication, it's as well known in its field as the ''Journal of the AMA'' is in its. It was in a paper in CACM that Claude Shannon defined the concept of Bandwidth. "GOTO Considered Harmful" in CACM more or less formalized structured programming. But it is NOT a fiction magazine, genre or non genre, usually, so your point is not really affected. <br />
:::::To me the main value in entering such pubs in the ISFDB is that the first pub date properly shows up in the summary display rather than being hidden in a title note. I also find that I am interested in the info about where a story first appeared -- even more so for work first published in 19th C general fiction mags, as much classic horror was. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 01:29, 22 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
::::::I have revised the help page further, to mention the possibility of creating a title record in which to put a note if none exists. Does it cover the case, in your view? Does anyone else have a view? -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 14:03, 22 July 2012 (UTC)</div>DESiegel60https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Help:Entering_non-genre_periodicals&diff=280306Help:Entering non-genre periodicals2012-07-22T01:32:38Z<p>DESiegel60: /* The Alternative: Title notes */ mntion posibility of stub or pub-free title record</p>
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==What are non-genre magazines?==<br />
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A non-genre magazine is one that did not specialize in Science Fiction, Fantasy, or Horror, or any other form or forms of speculative fiction, but included much fiction and other content that was not speculative fiction. The early general pulps such as ''Argosy'' and ''All-Story''; the "slick" fiction magazines such as ''The Saturday Evening Post'' and ''Collier's''; children's magazines such as ''Boys' Life''; "men's" magazines such as ''Playboy''; general interest magazines such as ''The Strand'', ''Punch'', and ''Life''; even mostly non-fiction magazines such as ''Scientific American''; all have published SF at one time or another, and all would be considered "non-genre" magazines. General newspapers, such as the ''New York Times'' and the ''London Times'' have occasionally published SF. Any issues of any periodical containing works of speculative fiction can also be entered in the same way as a non-genre magazine. So can anthologies that have some SF content, but contain mostly general fiction. For the rest of this help page, "magazine" should be understood to include any periodical, including newspapers.<br />
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See [[Magazines#General Interest Magazines with SF Content (SF content only)]].<br />
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== Why one should enter non-genre magazines ==<br />
In many cases a work of speculative fiction has been published in a magazine that does not specialize in such works. In particular, many well-known (and many not so well-known) speculative fiction stories were first published in non-genre magazines. In such cases it is desirable to record such publications in order to make the bibliography of the story complete. However, the ISFDB is not a general-fiction index and the non-speculative-fiction contents of such a magazine should not be entered.<br />
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It is in no case essential that an entry for a non-genre magazine be created. A note in the title record for the work is an acceptable alternate way of recording the information. (See [[#The Alternative: Title notes|below]].) But whenever a non-genre magazine (or newspaper, or anthology, much the same principles apply in each case) has in fact published a work of speculative fiction, creating an entry to record this is acceptable. It is particularly desirable when the non-genre magazine is the first or only publication of the work. It is less important if the non-genre publication was a later reprint, particularly if the story has often been reprinted in genre anthologies or collections. But in any case, whether to create such an entry is a matter that any particular editor can decide for him or herself.<br />
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== How to enter non-genre magazines ==<br />
(If you have questions about this process, ask for assistance at the [[ISFDB:Help desk|Help desk]].)<br />
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Often you will be working from a secondary source, for example, a note in an anthology that "This story was first published in the November 1928 issue of ''Argosy''". Very occasionally, you will have an actual copy of the magazine, a facsimile reprint, or a e-reprint. In all of these cases, there are a few key pieces of information that you must have.<br />
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If a secondary source lists the publication of a story by a known author of SF in a non-genre magazine, but does not clearly indicate whether the story is SF or not, creating an entry for it is a judgment call. Additional research, or the locations of other publications of the story, may give a clue as to whether it is SF (and therefore should be included) or not.<br />
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===Required data===<br />
If any of the required data is unknown or is not reliable, do not create a non-genre magazine entry. Instead use a title note. Any additional data is strictly optional, and entries including only the required data are perfectly acceptable.<br />
#The title of the magazine, as accurately as possible. See [[Magazines#General Interest Magazines with SF Content (SF content only)]], to see what forms may already have been used. See [http://www.philsp.com/homeville/FMI/0start.htm The FictionMags Index] and [http://www.philsp.com/index.html Galactic Central]'s Magazine Checklists. If they do not agree, try {{OCLC}} or the {{LOC}} or other sources. See [[Sources of Bibliographic Information]] for more sources.<br />
#The date of the issue (or issues, if you are entering more than one) where the work was published. This may be: <br />
##A day, month, and year ("January 17, 1925")<br />
##A range with two exact dates ("January 10 - 17, 1925")<br />
##A month ("January 1925")<br />
##A range of two months (("January-February 1925")<br />
##A season ("Spring 1925")<br />
##Failing any date, the volume and issue number (or whole issue number) may be used instead<br />
##:If the date is not reliably known with sufficient precision to identify a specific issue, do not create an entry for the magazine. (Unless a specific issue number can be used instead.) Instead record the available data and source in a note on the title record of the story in question. (See [[#The Alternative: Title notes|Below]].) This is always an acceptable alternate procedure. For a quarterly magazine "Spring" may be sufficient; for a weekly magazine a specific week must be known.<br />
#The title of the work, as originally published: note that sometimes early publications were under titles different from those commonly used later. If there is no information about a variant title, you should use the known later title, which may be changed should evidence of a different form turn up.<br />
#The name(s) of the author(s), if possible as credited in the initial publication. Sometimes a different form of the name or a pen name was used for early or non-genre publication. For example, a number of Robert A. Heinlein's early works were published under the name of Anson McDonald. If there is no reliable information about a variant author credit, you should use the canonical name, or the name associated with later publications of the story in question, pending further evidence.<br />
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===Steps to take===<br />
First, search the database to see if we already have an entry for the particular issue you want to enter. It may be that there was a different work of SF in that issue, and another editor has already created an entry for it. Go to "Advanced Search" and enter a key word or phrase from the title of the magazine into the "title" search field. Optionally, you can also enter "EDITOR" into a "title type" search field.<br />
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If you find an entry for the particular issue you wish to enter, go to the section [[#Adding content to an existing entry|''Adding content to an existing entry'']] below. Otherwise, if you find entries for other issues of the same magazine, open at least one of them and take note of the formats used, so that your entry can be consistent.<br />
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Second, from any publication display or the main menu, click "New Magazine" under Editing Tools. <br />
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Third, enter the minimal required meta-data. See [[Help:Screen:NewPub]] for additional details on the various fields.<br />
*Enter the title of the magazine, followed by a comma, and the date or dates of the issue in the "title" field. If the date is not available, use the issue number (which may include a volume number). If other issues of the same magazine are on file, try to use the same form of the name and date format as they used, unless the magazine's actual name changed (For example, ''Argosy'' was ''The Golden Argosy'' early in its history and became ''Argosy-All Story'' after its merger with ''All-Story''). If you are using a date, be sure that the year is specified as a full 4 digits. "The Strand, September '60" could be either 1860 or 1960, for example. <br />
*:The ISFDB standard format for this field is "Magazine Name, Month Day, Year" for dailies or weeklies, "Magazine Name, Month Year" for monthlies, or "Magazine Name, Month1-Month2 Year" for bimonthlies. See [[Help:Screen:EditPub]] for more details. Follow the ISFDB standard insofar as possible. Check other issues of the same magazine for models to follow, if available. If you are not sure exactly how to enter a particular issue, get it in as best as you can, and call attention to the matter at the [[ISFDB:Help desk|Help desk]].<br />
*Enter in the "Editor" field "Editors of MAGAZINE NAME". If the actual editor is known with reasonable certainty, you may '''optionally''' enter the name(s) of the editor(s) as co-editors, but leave "Editors of MAGAZINE NAME" as one of the editors in any case. For the "Editors of" line, get the actual magazine name as correct as possible.<br />
*In the "year" field enter the date of publication in YYYY-MM-DD format as closely as it is known. As usual, leave any unknown fields as all zeros.<br />
*:Note that the date must be known precisely enough to identify a specific issue, or no entry should be created at all, as mentioned above. With a magazine of daily or weekly frequency, a specific day should normally be known. With one of monthly frequency, a specific month should be known. With a bimonthly, normally use the earlier of the two listed months. With a quarterly or annual, it may not be possible to be more precise than the year. Also, if the issue is identified by issue number rather than date, the date may not be known more precisely than the year. The year must in any case be known with reasonable assurance. See [[Help:Screen:EditPub]] -- the section on the Year field -- for the normal ISFDB standards for entering magazine dates.<br />
*If the formal name of the publisher of the magazine is known, enter it in the "publisher" field. Otherwise, leave this field blank. Stay consistent in form with other entries for the same magazine, so as not to create multiple publisher records (except where the actual publisher is known to have changed). If in doubt, leave blank.<br />
*If the accurate page count (including front and back covers) of the magazine is reliably known, enter it here, otherwise leave it blank. Mostly this will be blank unless you are working from a facsimile or original copy. (See [[Help:Screen:EditPub]] if working from an original or facsimile.)<br />
*Leave the "Pub Format" field blank. <br />
*Leave the "Pub Type" field as "MAGAZINE".<br />
*If you know the cover price of the issue, enter it in the price field with a proper currency symbol, otherwise leave it blank. It will usually be blank.<br />
*Do not enter a cover artist, nor a cover image URL. Leave both fields blank. Exception: if the cover art illustrates the SF content, or is by a well known SF artist, enter the credit, and if an image is available, enter the URL (See [[ISFDB:Image linking permissions]].)<br />
*In the "Notes" field enter the source from which your information is derived, and any other relevant information. If you have used multiple sources, mention this. If such sources are somewhat contradictory or seem unreliable, you can use a vague indication ("Based on data from several online vendors"). In particular, the source(s) which lead you to believe that the specific story is contained in the specific issue should be noted. Sources for metadata that are not required anyway are much less important. Also, a note such as "The listing for this non-genre publication is intentionally incomplete, only SF content is listed." is strongly recommended. Please sign your note with your ISFDB User ID, initials, name, or the like so that other ISFDB editors will know who to ask about any doubtful points. A rough date (month and year) in the note is also helpful.<br />
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Fourth, enter the speculative fiction content in the "Content" section. See [[Help:Screen:NewPub#General contents]] for additional details on the various fields.<br />
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*Enter the story title (as originally published) in the title field of a content section. <br />
*Enter the story's author (as originally credited, if known) in the matching author field. <br />
*Leave the "Entry Type" field as "Shortfiction" unless (rarely) the entry is a poem, or is part of a serial, or is a novel-length work published complete in one issue.<br />
**If a serial is being entered, add "(part n of m)" to the title<br />
**If a novel-length work published in a single issue is being entered, add "(Complete Novel)" to the tile, and use a type of "SERIAL".<br />
***Note that early magazines often listed a work as a "Complete Novel" on the cover or in the ToC when by current standards it is a Novella or even a Novelette. Please do not use the "(Complete Novel)" tag unless you have reason to believe that the work counts as a novel by current standards, that is, it consisted of 40,000 words or more. Otherwise just list it as a work of shortfiction. See [[Help:Screen:EditPub]] on the length standards for novel and the various shortfiction lengths.<br />
*Enter the length field (Shortstory, novelette, or novella) if known, otherwise leave it blank. (See [[Help:Screen:EditPub]])<br />
*Leave the page field blank unless the page number where the story started in the magazine is known. If it is known, enter the starting page.<br />
*Leave the date field blank. The software will automatically fill in the date of the magazine from the metadata area (Year field). (Exception: If the story is a reprint and the date of original publication is known, enter the date of original publication. If the story is already in the ISFDB, merging will take care of this, see below.)<br />
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Fifth, in the unusual case that more than one work of speculative fiction was published in the same issue, and you have data for both, enter the 2nd (and any subsequent) stories in the same way as the first.<br />
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Interior art specifically associated with a speculative fiction story may be entered, if the data is available. Otherwise do not enter any interior art. Normally no editorials, letters, or essays will be entered. Reviews of SF works may be entered, but this will be rare. Significant essays specifically connected with SF works may optionally be entered, but this also will be rare.<br />
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Sixth, when all relevant and available data has been entered click "Submit data". The edit will now be reviewed by a moderator and added to the database when approved.<br />
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Seventh, after the edit has been approved, check the author's page (or do a title search) to see if the edit may have created a duplicate entry. If it has, merge the duplicates, or ask for assistance (at the [[ISFDB:Help desk|Help desk]]) to merge them. Instructions on merging duplicates may be found at [[Help: How to merge titles]].<br />
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Eighth, after the edit has been approved, if a series exists for the magazine in question (See [[General Interest Magazines]] for links to several such series), add the title record for your newly created issue to the relevant series. Ask for assistance if needed at the [[ISFDB:Help desk|Help desk]]. This step may be left for another editor, if you find it daunting or onerous.<br />
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== Serials ==<br />
If you know that a story or novel was serialized in a non-genre magazine or periodical, but do not have reliable information sufficient to enter all the issues involved, you may create entries for those issues for which reliable information is available, or you may instead use a title note (see below). Do not create entries for issues for which the required information is not reliably known. Do not assume that a serial started in one issue must have been continued in the next. There are cases where a serialization was started but never completed.<br />
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== Adding content to an existing entry ==<br />
If an entry for a specific issue already exists, and you have data on an additional story published in that issue, display the publication record and click "Edit this Pub"<br />
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Click "Add title" at the end of the "contents" section and add the data for the additional story or stories as described above. Click "Submit data" when the data has been entered, as above.<br />
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== Revised works ==<br />
If it is reliably known that the non-genre publication of a story was significantly different in content (longer, shorter, or simply different), this should be noted in a title note (see below). Optionally, a designation in parentheses may be appended to the title of the work, such as "(condensed)", "(expanded)" "(1938 version)" or whatever will simply but clearly indicate the nature of the difference. If you are in any doubt, discuss the matter on the [[ISFDB:Community Portal|Community Portal]], or ask for assistance on the [[ISFDB:Help desk|Help desk]].<br />
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== Editor Pseudonyms ==<br />
If the actual name of the editor (or editors) of a non-genre magazine is entered (instead of using the "Editors of Magazine Name" format), it may be desirable to make such a name a pseudonym of "Editors of Magazine Name". (see [[Help:How to record a pseudonym]] for the procedure.)<br />
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Alternatively, the actual editor may be listed as a second editor (co-editor) along with "Editors of Magazine Name".<br />
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== The Alternative: Title notes ==<br />
As mentioned above, it is always acceptable to add a mention of a non-genre publication, particularly a first publication, to the notes field of the title ("Bibliography") record of a story (or other work). To do this, display the title record, and click "Title Data" in the "Editing tools" section of the sidebar. Add the information to the notes field and click "Submit Data". <br />
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Of course, the title note method cannot be used if the '''only''' place that an SF work has been published is in a non-genre magazine, collection, or anthology, unless a title record for the work is first created. There are several ways to do this.<br />
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In many cases, it will be a good idea to create a title note in addition to an entry for a non-genre magazine, rather than instead of such an entry. Having both in the database is perfectly acceptable.</div>DESiegel60https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Help_talk:Entering_non-genre_periodicals&diff=280305Help talk:Entering non-genre periodicals2012-07-22T01:29:13Z<p>DESiegel60: /* Alternate Method */</p>
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<div>==What are non-genre magazines?==<br />
I have moved a long parenthetical sentence to a separate paragraph, "What are non-genre magazines?", and cleaned up a few spelling/grammar issues, but I also wonder if we want to describe the data entry rules in detail here or point the users to the main Help page/template that deals with these issues? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 19:05, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Page is still a work-in-progress, i saved it only because I had to be away from my computer for a while and did not wish to risk a crash.<br />
:My reason for describing the data entry rules in detail here is to specify which ones are actually optional for this special case. i will include a link to the main help on these issues as well.-[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 19:12, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Dialog between Bill and DES ==<br />
Thanks for creating this! I composed my response offline so apologies for any criticisms that have already been fixed.[[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:20, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:No problem, responding inline, inserting copies of your signature to make it clear who wrote what. This is still very much a work in progress, which is why it isn't linked anywhere yet. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 22:57, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
"What are non-genre magazines?" - we should include examples of newspapers too. The New York Times, the London Evening Standard, for example.[[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:20, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Agreed, will do. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 22:57, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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"Why should one enter non-genre magazines" is a question, so either it needs a "?" at the end or should be changed to "Why one should enter non-genre magazines" (statement). [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:20, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Agreed, will do. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 22:57, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
It also doesn't state WHEN we should add such: <br />
* When the first printing was in a magazine? <br />
* When the first printing in a certain country was in a magazine? <br />
* For ANY printing in a magazine? <br />
* Do we include SF stories that have ONLY appeared in non-genre magazines (so far)? <br />
* If an author is notable enough that we're including their non-genre books, do we include their non-genre shortfiction in non-genre magazines?<br />
* When we spot stories by SF authors in such a magazine, do we include them "just in case" or leave them out? [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:20, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:I would say that an editor may choose to create stub entries for any of the above, but it is more important when the first or only printing (or first or only printing in the English language, since the ISFDB is English-language-centered) is in a non-genre publication. <br />
:As to non-genre short-fiction, i would tend to leave it out for now, but that is really a separate discussion, and i don't presume to settle that question now.<br />
:As to stories by known SF authors, when the editor doesn't have the actual story at hand, and must guess as to whether it is SF or not, that would be a judgment call, IMO. If it were me, i would tend to do additional research and see if i could find some other reference (an anthology, a lotus listing, or whatever) to indicate tha tit was SF before listing it, unless the author involved was pretty well known to write nothing but SF, or the title suggested that it was SF, or perhaps suggested that it was part of a known SF series, or something of the sort. failing that I wouldn't list, but I don't want to state that as a rule. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 22:57, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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"Required data" - all the example dates are day, month, year: I've bowed to American format and allowed month, day, year for Saturday Evening Post entries for example. Do we want them regularized in general, or for each magazine, or do we not care? (Personally I vote for "not care" - these are only stubs and the CONTENT is important, DATE of the publication is important, date FORMAT in a title is not.) [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:20, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Standardizing within a given magazine is IMO a '''Good Thing''', beyond that i don't think it is vital. I'll mention other date formats. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 22:57, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:: It's purely cosmetic. One thing I do want to avoid though is the need to create individual Wiki pages for each magazine to state the rules for such - I think the "look at other editions for formatting advice" you give is a good guideline though. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]]<br />
:::Largely cosmetic, but not quite purely. If you know the format used, and it has been used consistantly, doing a search for a specific issue is easier and more reliable (that is, no result really means no such issue on file.) But I agree it isn;t vital, and if anyoen really wants to do clenup afterwards to enforce consistancy it is easy enough to do, there is no need for the editor who does inital entry to feel constrained by hard and fast rules on this point. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 20:51, 20 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::: That's the main thing for me - keep this simple or it will put people off. We've already gone from one simple submission, to maybe needing two (if Editor Series have become desirable). Even creating the Non-Genre Magazine index has meant there may be three edits needed, if it's a new one: and then we've gone from ISFDB-editing to Wiki-editing (and you know how many editors are currently frustrating us by not even finding their own talk-page!). If we're not going to standardize all dates though, I doubt anybody will remember exactly how each magazine title is formatted: and as I don't want us to create Wiki pages for each non-genre magazine to record such, my original 'title, abbreviated month, year' in separate fields is still likely to be my preferred search. (Or is anyone thinking of entering Months numerically for any particular title?) [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:39, 20 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::I don't disagree that things need to be as simple as possible. Note that editor-series, if though valuable, can be done afterwards by anyone who thinks they are valuable, there is no need to require the editor who does the initial entry to do them. The same is true of editing wiki pages. As for date format, I'll standardize them if people want that, and write a standard into the help page, but I was trying not to be overly prescriptive in leaving that a bit looser. Mind you, if we did create such wiki pages they should be short and quick to create, and once created should need little maintenance -- if someone else thinks it worth the effort I don't see why you would complain. I don't plan to create such pages at this time, however. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 22:13, 20 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
"date of the issue (or issues, in the case of a serial) " confuses me too. I don't think we should discourage entry of a single episode if that's all that we know about. There's no guarantee that a serial completed even in a genre magazine. I think at this point that we should also mention that if we HAVEN'T found a precise edtion of a magazine, notes on the title record will do just fine in the meantime - there's no good reason to make a monthly or weekly or even daily title look like an annual if all we have is a year.[[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:20, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:I intended that line to cover cases where a serial is know to have been printed in multiple issues, and the dated of each issue are known. i will cover the other possibilities better. i agree with you when a reasonably accurate issue date is not known, leave it to a title note. I will mention title notes in general better. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 22:57, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
"If there is no information about a variant title, you may assume that the title was not changed." I think this is too dangerous an assumption. Many references don't state that it was published under a different title in ISFDB terms (lacked or added a leading "The" for example). I think the default should be "assumed the same, but not proven" until we get a primary check. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:20, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:What i meant was, in the absence of evidence, enter the title in the known later form, but obviously this can be changed when and if evidence is found. I didn't mean to imply that was good enough to verify on. I think we are in agreement on this, just a question of how to say it for clarity. I'll reword. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 22:57, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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"Steps to take" - if we've done it right with the "Editors of..." stuff, then there's no need to go to ADVANCED search at all unless there's going to be a LOT of results and you want a smaller results page. Some existing data is also missing the EDITOR record so I wouldn't recommend restricting the search by that yet. If we do find there's enough data to want to narrow it down, I find title, month (abbreviated), year in the three separate fields of the "ISFDB Publication Search Form" best - that avoids any problems where the title format is vague. And these are only stubs - we have to be allowed to be a bit vague. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:20, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:I '''DO''' want to allow for stubs to be entered with the actual editor's name when known, and not all such will be marked as pesuds of "the editors of" since that is a separate step that may be missed. Besides, I would send people to advanced search anyway to avoid the 100-entry limit, we're already over thirty on the SEP<br />
Editor Field - either we stick with "Editors of MAGAZINE NAME" (and we probably need to standardize Magazine name a bit - e.g. I've no idea when Collier's was "Weekly" or "Magazine") or we have problems. Pseudonyms are currently controversial - they work well as pseudonyms of "Editors of MAGAZINE NAME" but creating such makes "promotion" of such editors to full ISFDB "Author" a major pain. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:20, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Then I will remove the recommendation to make such entries pesuds, but I think that if the actual editor's name is known, it is perverse not to enter it.<br />
:: I'm not recommending NOT entering such at all, but if it's an insignificant detail then a note for the relevant issue is enough, IMO. When it's someone like {{A|Alice K. Turner}} then it's not insignificant. If people are against pseudonyms (and I can see why) then we can either leave notes or credit the Editor in the database field, in which case we've lost all the simplicity of entering these: the original suggestions meant you could create these stubs in ONE sunmission. As soon as you start adding inconsistencies then it means more work - e.g. varying the Editor (which breaks simple search for "Editors of...") means that to keep all the publications together you have to go along the lines of swfritter's Editor Series. Which means a second edit pass and second approval at a minimum. The more work we make, the less likely people are to do it: this is also why I demonstrated that for small runs of magazines, with consistent editors, it's easy to add one link to the set without doing all that work. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 20:26, 20 August 2008 (UTC) <br />
:::My feeling is that a) we can't be sure that we know who is "significant" or not, it might well be that a change of editor will correlate with a change in the frquency of SF content, and b) really any editor is significant. IMO the only reason to use an "editors of" entry is when we don't know and can't easily find the actual editor's name. When i make such entreis I plan to dop a little research, at least a google search and an OCLC searc. if either yields an actual editor's name i would of course use that instead of "editors of".-[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 20:46, 20 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::: Then I'll leave you to do the Editor Series work. (And I think we should probably stress that people '''enter the data anyway''', the people that CARE about such can fix it up later - if this help page ends up with too many rules then I want it separated into "How to Enter" for normal editors and "How to Arrange" for the zealots.) To me, almost all Editors are '''IN'''significant. Really. Even Campbell or Gernsback. ('''"SACRILEGE!!"''', I know). The Editors I have been known to look for are Damon Knight and John Carnell - but currently ISFDB isn't even properly set up to search for all real Editors whose taste in selected works is something I share. I'd search for "Angus Wells" if it did but Editors of Single-Author Collections don't get credited. I'd much rather that was sorted than add every J. Random Bloke that ever edited a non-genre magazine to our Author directory. We're already having to deal with multiple authors with the same name, I'd like to minimise the risk of more collisions between Good SF Bloke and nonentity with same name. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 22:30, 20 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::As for the issue with searching, i frankly don't see it as a major issue. Instead of searching on "Editors of Playboy" one can just do a title search on "Playboy", or an advanced title search on "Title=Playboy" and "titletype=Editor". The latter finds all the same records, plus at least one that already exists using a real editor's name (the above mentioned {{A|Alice K. Turner}}). (Indeed several of the playboy editors may have been significant -- i have read comments in author's intros to stories about various SF authors having ongoing relationships with such editors.) -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 20:46, 20 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::: The simple search for title Playboy gives 57 results, none of them of type Magazine. Yes, WE know we have to look for the EDITOR records among them, but many of our casual users don't. (Seriously, go show ISFDB to someone that's never seen it before but likes SF - the "Simple" searches are anything but that to them, the results are so polluted with things they never wanted to see it really does put people off - but I know that's something Al will have to attend to, we won't fix that here.) Advanced search does mostly give us what we want, but 1) there are still a LOT of missing Editor records (I had to fix half a dozen just to do the few non-genre mags we've just covered) and 2) if we've put people off with a bad Simple search there's no way we're going to get them to try Advanced. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 22:30, 20 August 2008 (UTC) <br />
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:::::In the words of one Web programmer who looked at the ISFDB earlier this year, "Do you really expect casual users to be able to use this, um, interface?"... [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 23:19, 20 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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"In the year field enter the date of publication in YYYY-MM-DD format as closely as it is known" - this again is where we should consider title notes instead. There's no point creating a "Playboy 1962-00-00" record just because you haven't pinned down which of a dozen it is. Nor a "Saturday Evening Post 1962-02-00" record if you can't pin it down to one of the four (or was it five that year?). If it's not accurate enough, title notes are the way to go. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:20, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:I was thinking more of magazines that were only quarterly, If the issue was "1892 Spring" i would put the date as 1892-00-00. Similarly a monthly or bimonthly would not have the day, and might not have the year, filled in. I will clarify a bit. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 22:57, 19 August 2008 (UTC) <br />
Publisher - I don't want too many new publishers, leave blank if it's not someone publishing SF. Or at least keep it consistent. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:20, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Consistent yes. I don't think most of these mags had all that many publishers, and in most cases people working form secondary sources will leave this blank anyway. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 22:57, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
Page count - approximations are enough for me.<br />
Format - I'm not bothered, just don't invent any more new ones please. I've left dimensions in notes when I found them. "Digest", "Pulp", "Bedsheet" are STILL so poorly defined here that I wouldn't use them anyway. (Someone go fix the regular help please?) [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:20, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:OK I'll suggest leaving this field blank. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 22:57, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
Notes - Ah, this is one of the big philosophical differences. Yes, if you think you have a good authoritative source, mention it. If you're creating a Frankenpub from multiple sources, as I occasionally do, I prefer NOT to reveal my sources as I want them investigated. Quoting sources for such may stop people investigating further and from challenging entries. Even an "Information sourced from Ebay auction" comment seems to make people think "that's good enough for me". (And in this case, [http://www.philsp.com/homeville/FMI/0start.htm#TOC The FictionMags Index] does have a LOT of such.) [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:20, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:I strongly dosage. I want to know what sources a person used so i know where not to waste time and where else might be worth looking, or on the other hand where to check if an entry seems odd. Indeed if I were the ISFDB dictator, i might be inclined to say "make no entry at all without a noted source". But I'm not, still i want to encourage listing the sources used. Still we can discuss the matter. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 22:57, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:: It's precisely BECAUSE people want to "know where not to waste time" that I avoid such notes - as I don't think a double-check is ever wasted. (Treble might be, quadruple, quintuple ones, yes... but I'm still waiting for multiple verifier support. I might stop checking everything when I see two or three careful verifiers have put their names to something.) And I don't mean just go check I transcribed it right, I mean RESEARCH it by the best means you know how. (Any good sources I find are mentioned in ISFDB, just not at publication level.) It's probably not worth a big discussion - we've had those before, and you're not the only person telling me I should quote sources, but I think my slightly maverick attitude helps in the long run. If '''I''' don't quote sources, it means someone that thinks sources are essential '''will''' double-check it. Of course, someone could just delete the 80% of data here that doesn't have a source credited and start over again: but if so I'd rather they do it with our data on another site. Al might get a bit annoyed that so much of his original typing was wasted, too. -[[User:BLongley|BLongley]] <br />
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:::I am not proposing to delete unsourced data, but like anthologies without page numbers, I would hope it becomes rarer over time. You may be right about lack of sources inducing people to double check, but it is still a bit unfair IMO, people should be able to decide if they want to spend time double-checking you, or single-checking stuff that no one has really vetted at all. As for myself, if I see something that looks odd, I am I think at least as likely to check it if I see a source listed, perhaps by trying a different source, to see if they agree. If no one ever records sources, who will we know when something has in fact been quadruple-checked, and avoid quintuple checks. Well I've made my point, and I probably won't convince you. But I think it it is a good idea for this help page in particular to recommend recording sources, as this sort of data is even more likely than most to be built on secondary sources, and recording them may help us get a better handle on where our info is coming from, and may induce some people to do a bit more research when creating an entry. Frankly, i suspect that many if not most of the "non-genre magazine" entries will come, not from general checklist such as we might have in the "sources" page, but from "acknowledgments" or "history" sections of reprint anthologies. I could be wrong. If people actually record their sources we might find out. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 21:35, 20 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::: Oh, don't let me discourage YOU from adding sources: I just think with current ISFDB software a mixture of those editors that don't add sources and those that do is probably healthier all round in the meantime and encourages multiple checks. If I didn't research as much as I do I'd probably be adding far more notes AGAINST current entries: which might be another useful indication, e.g. if I spot an Ace publication with an ISBN starting "07221" I immediately know that can't be right: I could add a reference to the publisher page that points out which publisher DOES use that prefix, and it isn't Ace: or I could just remove the incorrect ISBN: or correct the pub from my other research: or delete it entirely. I make deletion a last resort, but as people won't always go down to pub level notes I prefer to correct rather than note, where possible (I don't want anyone thinking Ace ever published 07221 pubs if they're just looking at a publisher/year summary, for instance). [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 23:35, 20 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::: One thing that MIGHT make me change my practices is if notes were signed, verifiably. I agree over-checking is a waste of resources, and I'd be happy to stop checking a pub from secondary sources if it had, say, been checked by you against [http://www.philsp.com/homeville/FMI/0start.htm#TOC The FictionMags Index] and swfritter had commented that another later magazine said it was a reprint from that exact magazine, and MHutchins mentioned that the original magazine was credited in a Collection. I believe Al is working on Edit Histories that might give me that confidence that Notes were added by the person that the Notes SAY added it (and in the meantime, you might want to add "SIGN your notes" as a guideline). Of course, I'll never be truly satisfied until it's been Primary Verified several times over by people I respect, and I want people to treat my edits with the same paranoia I exhibit towards other people's work. (I see I've recently passed 30,000 edits - I'd guess at least 5,000 of those are correcting myself, 1,000 of the rest are probably still not perfect, and there's 100s where other people gently pointed out where I may gone wrong. I do NOT want to sound "authoritative" in any way - so I WANT a bit of vagueness about the reliability of anything here, before anybody finds out that I am actually a conglomerate of Scientologists sent here to establish a reliable reputation before we reveal the fact that L. Ron Hubbard wrote all Speculative Fiction, ever, and we WILL shortly submit and approve the Variant Authors when you're all asleep. ;-) [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 23:35, 20 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::::Well, as Bill said, you are not the only one pointing out that recording one's sources is a Good Idea for numerous reasons. For starters, an unsourced FrankenPub can be misleading since it doesn't warn casual users where the data comes from and that it may not be reliable due to possible conflation of multiple publications -- see examples below. Moreover, even if Bill returns to the pub later on, he (not to mention other editors) will probably have to re-do all the legwork since he won't remember what sources he may have checked. Finally, based on prior experience with unsourced publications, the Frankenpubs will be eventually reviewed and re-checked by other editors, who will confirm and source some of the data elements and move the rest of them to Notes with a comment along the lines of "Original ISFDB record stated that the publication date was 1923-00-00, but the source of this information is unknown". Doesn't look like a productive way to approach things, but it's been my experience that many otherwise sane contributors occasionally disagree with me (!) on what appear to be clearcut issues. Probably something in the water... [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 23:19, 20 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::::: (Is this a Trialog now? Not sure of the term...) Anyway, yes, casual users aren't warned about where the data came from but that is a problem that has existed since ISFDB1. Verification adds another level of possible reliability, but still isn't guaranteed (see all the questions about "your verified pub" on active editor's talk pages), and people can look at a pub and ask themselves "it's not verified - should I trust it?" or "it's Tuck-verified, good enough for me" or "primary-verified - well, I'm still not sure, but I know who to ask now". I could add a lot of "Amazon says this was actually published under the name Enid Blyton" notes and that wouldn't improve our data at all. I'm not adding random data - anything I do add that isn't primary is researched to a level that has convinced ME, currently, that such a publication exists with that data. If I do come back and think it looks wrong based on what I know now, I'm happy to research it again, unbiased by prior notes. Re-doing the legwork is not a problem in my eyes, it probably SHOULD be done every so often until enough people stamp their approval on it. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 01:11, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::: I'll give away an example of the sort of things I do add. "First British publication" entries based on credits in a later British paperback edition. ISFDB lacks a LOT of such pubs for titles where we have only the US versions. I usually don't credit them as "First British publication" as there's often some weasel-phrases involved and "First Published in Great Britain by Sphere in 1974" may actually mean that's the year that Sphere first published it here, NOT that it was the first British publication. But it's a probable genuine publication we don't have here, and so I'll add it, after checking that Amazon/Alibris/Abebooks/Ebay or such have it and some sellers give similar date details, and I'll probably get an ISBN out of such searches too. It's a good starting point, but next year it might not be for sale anywhere and I'd start again. Why don't I just state what it says in the pub I started from? It's because you can't handle the truth until you all understand British printing practices. (I have multiple editions of the same title that swear it was originally published by Panther: or Granada: or Grafton: they're all right in a way.) Adding items that demand further research is fine by me, at least I've pointed you all at something that NEEDS more research. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 01:11, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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The exceptions (for me) are entries from some sources that people think are good but I'm yet to be convinced of - so I'll quote OCLC if that's all I used. But if I found a pub on "Read It, Swap It" and somebody on Alibris wants to sell it to me, and Amazon admit it exists but assure me it's by HarperCollins even though the pub existed years before HarperCollins was formed, and there's a cover-scan on somebody's personal site that we can't use, but seems to prove there was a Panther edition, even if Panther was just an imprint of Granada by then, I'm not going to quote sources. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:20, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:In that kind of case i might say something like "Data combined from various online vendors, no one of which seems fully reliable". The notes I really want are "Data from 'acknowledgments' section of ''Best Vampire Stores'' edited by Elwood and Greenburg" (to make up an example). -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 22:57, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:: I do add some notes about sources in a roundabout way - e.g. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?FNDTNDWDRP1990 here] is information about 36 different printings, recorded in the source. The page for that title is long enough already that I didn't use it to create all 36 though, just the ones I could verify. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:20, 20 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:I'll be getting back to this later tonight.<br />
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== Other Comments ==<br />
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*Do not enter a cover artist, nor a cover image URL. Leave both fields blank.<br />
I'm curious about the above limitation. Could we extend this and allow 'genre' covers and cover artists to be listed? (i.e. the Cover is for the SF work being added)<br />
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You may also want a line about crediting interior artwork (When its associated with the SF work.<br />
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:Interior art is mentioned in the fifth step of [http://208.100.59.10/wiki/index.php/Help:Entering_non-genre_magazines#Steps_to_take this section]. I see your point about the cover art of the magazine. I agree that if the cover illustrates the spec-fic that's indexed, it and its artist should be credited. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 01:35, 20 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Fair enough, i will qualify this. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 01:50, 20 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:::Agreed. Bonestell for example did covers for [http://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/C/Colliers_space.html Colliers] which are worth recording I'd think. The articles and pictures became [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?103314 The Conquest of Space] which we have a stub entry for already. [[User:Dcarson|Dana Carson]] 03:58, 20 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Going forward ==<br />
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I think that I have incorporated all the comments made to date in the current version of the help page, and that it is reasonably complete, if not correct. Please review it and make further comments, as needed, so that we can come to a consensus on this issue. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 18:51, 20 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:You might consider adding in Step Seven that if the editor is familiar with merging that they search the author's summary page to determine if a previous title record exists, and if so, merge it with the newly created record. (I believe a title merge to be of immensely more importance than merging pub records into an editor series.) Other than that, this help page is in good enough shape to be considered part of the Help Pages. Good job, David. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 00:10, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:: Good point, Mike: I originally came at this with the view that we were trying to record original publication dates with a covering Magazine title: and so a title merge was obviously going to be the next step. Now people mention later publications, unreliability of original publication titles, making all magazines nicely standardized, etc, we may have lost sight of this. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 01:23, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::I will add that. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 15:45, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Done. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 20:46, 23 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Further Comments ==<br />
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*In What are non-genre Magazines, the last two sentences "General newspapers, such as the New York Times and the London Times have occasionally published SF. Any issues containing works of speculative fiction can also be entered in the same way as a non-genre magazine." should be combined to read "General newspapers, such as the New York Times and the London Times have occasionally published SF and any issues containing works of speculative fiction can also be entered in the same way as a non-genre magazine."<br />
**If you want to change it, you may, and I won't revert. i think the two sentance version is better writing, but that is a matter of taste and/or judgement. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 15:58, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
*In "Why...." second paragraph, "It is never required...." should be changed to "It is not currently required...." or "It is not always required...." or even better... "It is not always necessary...." ''Never'' is such a strict word. (''Required'' is too.)<br />
*:I agree, siding with "It is not always necessary..." Much more user friendly. <br />
[[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 00:36, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
*::I was trying to be friendly, to imply "you don't have to do this if you don't choose to." I will reword. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 15:58, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
*In "Required Data": "The name(s) of the author(s) credited in the initial publication." is flat wrong. We would (and mention a few lines later) gladly take the canonical name of the author, if that is all that is available. Perhaps a better first sentence would be "The name(s) of the author(s) as credited in the initial publication, or if unknown then the name of the author as shown in a secondary source." - This line needs more work... I don't like what i just wrote either.<br />
*:Actually, author credit should be the name of the author EXACTLY as credited in THIS non-genre publication. We can worry about merging and creating variants if this happens to be a non-canonical title. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 00:36, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
*:::That is more or less what I was trying to say. Beter wording welcomed. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 15:58, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
*::What I meant here is that secondary sources don't always list the pseudonym, if any were used. By '''Requiring''' it you exclude secondary data... which you accept later in the same paragraph. The paragraph contradicts itself.[[User:Kpulliam|Kevin]] 02:11, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
*:::I'll clarify this. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 15:58, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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*In "Steps to take", "In the "year" field...." I think we need more definition on the quirks of periodical dating. Some obvious dating problems (that a predefined conversion would solve:<br />
**Mid-MONTH should be entered as YEAR-MM-15<br />
**:Really? I would have entered it as YEAR-MM-00, I would never put a day in unles a specific day was known with precisiuon, normally only for a dalily pub or a weekly one with a known day of issue. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 15:58, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
**::There are 13-14 years of Analog and Asimovs with Mid-MONTH issues. I just spot checked a few. As you said, none of the ones I spot checked had a day to indicate it was published AFTER the MONTH issue (but then several of them didn't even have a MONTH entered even though the month was in the title). Is it '''really''' more accurate to imply simultaneous same day publication of 2 issues, as to imply a separation of some weeks between the issues? (This may need to be a separate discussion)[[User:Kpulliam|Kevin]] 00:13, 23 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
**:::As I understand it, YYYY-MM-00 does '''not''' imply simultaneous publication with another pub also marked YYYY-MM-00. What it says is, this was published soemtime during the specified moth, we don't know when. Indeed when i find a '''book''' with a non-zero day specified, i normally convert it to 00 as a matter of course, unless there is a note justifing the specific day, or unless the publication has been primary verified, on the assumptuion that the day is invalid, quite probably from amazon. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 20:55, 23 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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**MONTH_XX-MONTH_XX+1 should be entered as YEAR-XX-00 (Use the first of two months listed)<br />
**:I see. i would probaly have listed it as YEAR-00-00. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 15:58, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
***Unless it's DEC-JAN and the year of publication matches JAN, then use YEAR-01-00<br />
**Is Winter at the end of the year or the beginning? Should WINTER 77 be entered as an early '77 date, or a late 77 date?<br />
**:Ah. I would have entered it as simply YRAR-00-00. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 15:58, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
***Season Month = Month Season Begins? (Or the reverse SEASON=Month Season Ends) - Barring other evidence, where FALL is in Year XX and Winter is published in YEAR XX+1.<br />
****[[Help:Screen:EditPub]] says to use YYYY-00-00 for a magazine issue with an issue date of "Fall" or other quarterly season. That seems sensible to me. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 20:47, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
**Others: BONUS, EXTRA, 'Holiday', etc. What to do if a supernumary issue falls is issued on the same day as a regular issue. (This one will be exceedingly rare to even occur and to '''ALSO''' have SF in it. Feel free to ignore this one, just postulating.<br />
***Just being silly on this one... what about those poor periodicals issued prior to 1751, where Jan 1-March 24 were part of the preceeding year by current standards... should the editors be concerned about that. (Seriously - I'm just kidding; of '''course''' we should record the ''printed date'' - Now where did I leave those copies of the Transcripts of the Proceedings of the Royal Societey.. Oh wait.. they weren't fiction - Did they 'ever' publish fiction. What IS the oldest periodical to include fiction. Newspapers have been doing it for centuries....)<br />
**Issue no. and year (no month) enter as YEAR-01-IssueNumber (This puts multiples in order) or enter it as YEAR-XX-00 through No 12. All others get entered as YEAR-12-XX?<br />
***I strongly oppose overloading the day field with issue numbers. in fact, i won't do that nor write text advising it. if that is the consensus, i won't enter such magazines. The overloading of the day with printing number was a failure, and I think this would only be worse. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 15:58, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
*In "Steps to take", "If the accurate page count (including front and back covers)" Do we really want to do this? I thought page counts excluded from and back covers. (I could be wrong, will go read the help) - Yep. I'm wrong. the instructions say use front and back covers.... BUT I believe the early astoundings and other magazines entered from secondary sources often/usually left off the covers. Something for me to go research some then)... moving on...<br />
*In "Steps to take", "If a novel-length work published in a single issue is being entered, add "(Complete Novel)" to the title, and use a type of "SERIAL"." needs an admonishing that just because the magazine calls it a 'Complete Novel' we don't. And then a link to the right help file describing that fact. <br />
::Good point, I agree this caveat should be added to this section. <br />
[[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 00:36, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Will do. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 15:58, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
*In "Steps to take", "Leave the date field blank." Why? Per previous instructions this will most likely be the first or only publication in a periodical. We have already determined ''some'' date, and it's likely an original publication. We should instruct them to duplicate the issue date unless they have a reason not to. (Or maybe I don't understand what's supposed to go here - Feel fee to throw the clue stick at me.)<br />
::The system automatically fills in blank content dates with the date of the publication as entered in its DATE field, so entering the date again for each of the content entries is superfluous. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 00:36, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Exactly. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 15:58, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::Then (As I surmised) I just didn't understand how it was working. [[User:Kpulliam|Kevin]] 00:16, 23 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
*In "Serials". "Do not assume that a serial started in one issue must have been continued in the next. There are cases where a serialization was started but never completed." - Are there really? And the next issue was published? I personally thought that the only time this happened was when a magazine went under, or didn't go to print due to war/paper/money shortages for some several months. (But I'm often wrong - I'm just questioning the need for this. Even if it didn't get published... we would want to document that with an 8888 date wouldn't we?)<br />
::Yes it happens (see the magazines edited by William F. Crawford, who stranded at least three serials.) But these were cases where the magazines died in mid-serial, as you point out. I think David (or the person who wrote that section) was merely pointing out a fact of the publishing business: don't assume anything! <br />
[[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 00:36, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Indeed soewmone else (bill?) pointed it out to me above, which is why i wrote it in. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 15:58, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
*In "Editor Pseudonyms" how about if the Editor is known, have them add both the known editor and the Editors Of. No Pseudonym problems, and this solution is upgradeable while preserving all information, and making list link (to Editor Series) wok prior to the upgrade. (besides, few editors worked in a vacuum... they must have had lackeys or henchmen)<br />
**We need more discussion on this issue, i think. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 20:49, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
*"The Alternative" should be moved to "Why one should Enter"... why make someone read to the bottom... if they were going to give up and move on.. they did it LONG before they found out about the alternative.<br />
::Good point, but if someone didn't want to know "how to enter non-genre magazines", they wouldn't have come to this page to start with. :) Putting the alternative at the end is like saying "OK, we know this may be more complicated and too much information than you expected, so here's the last resort." And if you re-read the second paragraph of the second question it states "A note in the title record for the work is an acceptable alternate way of recording the information." If anyone reads further, it's because they intend to sail the dangerous seas of non-genre magazine entry. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 00:36, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::That was more or less my thought, and don't forget there is a ToC right at the start. But if you want it moved, we can move it. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 15:58, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::I added a more explicit reference and an inter-page link at the top. i think the subject logically belongs at the bottom, but will move it if others still wish. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 20:49, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Sorry there was so much... the page as is, is great... these are just the things I thought of... many (most?) of them can be ignored. [[User:Kpulliam|Kevin]] 00:05, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:No need to apologize. We need as much feedback as we can get. This is a collaborative effort and nobody is too full of himself to think that someone else's opinion doesn't matter. If they did, they wouldn't hang around very long! [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 00:36, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
::I am very glad to get any and all commentes, even or especially if ZI don't agree with them. I will soon make at least some changes based on the above comments. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 15:58, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Date format in title is important ==<br />
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We have a standard and basically a very simple one. Why not stick to it since it does not take any great effort to do so? We should also have a system standard for periodicals which have a day of publication. I use ''Magname, August 21, 2008'' but there are other possibilities. The only thing that needs elaboration on is oddball date formats and date formats for publication types, such as newspapers, for which no current standard applies. There are a lot of fields that it is totally unnecessary to enter data into but if data is entered in these fields it should be according to standards. My own inclination would be to discourage entry in these fields but if someone wants to enter the data it should be done right. The stories are the critical data but that does not mean the standards should be totally discarded for the pub fields.--[[User:Swfritter|swfritter]] 16:40, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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: While I disagree totally about the importance, I agree there should be a standard. ONE standard, that we can document on "Help:Entering non-genre magazines", certainly not per magazine. I'm not too bothered whether that's "stick to the same format as existing magazine entries" or "exactly as stated on the magazine" or "regularized in the same way as Genre magazines". [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 19:20, 21 August 2008 (UTC) <br />
: But that's not as simple as you suggest, except for monthly titles, so that help could be improved. Yes, we need a rule for days in dates, but you also need to clarify the "Missing or variant dates" section. Does the "the form given on the magazine" rule for bimonthly or quarterly magazines ''totally'' override the "Month in full, then Year in full" bit? E.g. If a pub says: "'60, Jun/Jul issue" do we record that exactly or change it to "June-July, 1960"? The hyphenation rule immediately afterwards suggests we override part of the "the form given on the magazine" rule but doesn't make it clear if we also apply the month and year "in full" bits. The examples could also be improved - "Interzone, Fall 1979" doesn't exist. The magazine didn't even get created till 1982 and as a British magazine, there were no "Fall" issues, but some "Autumn" ones. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 19:20, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
::I have revised this a bit, is it sufficient now, or do we need a stricter or celarer standard? -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 20:50, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
::: It's the normal magazine date help that I'm questioning, and I'm without enough examples to see what is actually done in practice. Titles like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?136836 Century] may be following a standardisation rule that isn't made clear, or may be in error. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?INTRTXTJANFEB1994 Intertext] looks particularly confusing. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:05, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::The [http://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:EditPub Help] for this subject matter is totally unambiguous. I would suggest that the Help for non-genre magazines refer the user to the EditPub Help rather than trying to create a separate standard. The only specific date issues that need to be addressed in non-genre Help are for issues that are only likely to occur in non-genre pubs - newspapers come immediately to mind. I noticed that in the examples the months are not spelled out completely. I will fix them.--[[User:Swfritter|swfritter]] 16:20, 22 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::I can do that if othes agree. Any further comments by anyone? -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 16:24, 22 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::: I am frankly ASTOUNDED that anyone can state the EditPub help is currently "totally unambiguous", it's completely the opposite to me. But if it's fixed satisfactorily then I'm happy to use it and keep consistency. May I suggest an advanced Pub search for "Science Fiction Weekly" though? That seems to be a Genre magazine with consistency problems, that will cover some of the problems that will occur more often in non-Genre ones. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 19:02, 22 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Editor names ==<br />
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First of all, i think I have addressed all the comments above in the help with the exception of the issue with editor names. In some cases i may not have addressed them sufficiently, or people may not agree with my wording, but I think we have something close to a consensus. On Editor names, I think there is clear disagreement. Let me state what the various positions are, as I understand them, and see if we can come to an agreement. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 15:57, 22 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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This is about what test to put in the "editor" field when creating or editing an entry for a non-genre magazine. The choices suggested are:<br />
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#Always use "The Editors of Mag Name".<br />
#*This has some advantages:<br />
#**A search on the "name" will always return all the issues (if they have been properly created). <br />
#**As few new records as possible will be created. <br />
#**There will be no need to do research into who the editor was for any particular issue. <br />
#**There will be no chance of such a name duplicating that of a real author of SF (or editor or artist).<br />
#*Disadvantages (and responses): <br />
#**This means, in some cases, discarding accurate information of unknown significance.<br />
#**In most cases, a title search on "Mag Name" will return the same issues, including ones incorrectly created. Editor series can also be used.<br />
#**Patterns may appear in which editors published more SF.<br />
#**If an editor turns out to be a significant person in SF history, the data has already been gathered.<br />
#Use "The Editors of Mag Name" '''unless''' the editor's name is known, '''and''' the editor is in some way a person significant to the history of SF.<br />
#*This has most of the advantages and disadvantages of #1, except:<br />
#**Occasionally, searches on "The Editors of Mag Name" will be incomplete. Publication series will be needed to insure that a quick, correct, and complete search can be done. <br />
#**There is now some pressure to do research into who the actual editor of an issue was, in case it was a "significant person".<br />
#*This has the additional disadvantage that it opens up the question of who is a "significant person", which might become heated, and can't possible be cleanly resolved in all cases.<br />
#Use the name of the actual editor if reliably known, otherwise use "The Editors of Mag Name".<br />
#*This has the following advantages.<br />
#**Known data will not be discarded.<br />
#**Editors who were more accepting of SF may become known.<br />
#**Then ISFDB may be somewhat more useful as a research tool.<br />
#**Individual editors can choose whether or not to spend time researching issue editors.<br />
#**If an editor is a "significant person", data showing this will eventually be available.<br />
#*Disadvantages:<br />
#**Searches are not as clear as in #1, and publication series may be desired.<br />
#**Some people will feel pressure to research editor names, statements in the help to the contrary notwithstanding.<br />
#**Some editor names may be identical to names of actual SF authors, artists, or editors, requiring disambiguation, which may not always be done correctly.<br />
#Use the name of the actual editor if reliably known, otherwise use "The Editors of Mag Name", '''but''' if an editor name is used, make it a pseudonym of "The Editors of Mag Name".<br />
#*This has the advantages and disadvantages of #3, except:<br />
#**Searches will be as clean as in case 1.<br />
#**If an editor does turn out to be a "significant person", in particular if s/he turns out also to be an author (artist, editor) of SF, we will be stuck with a misleading and hard-to-get-rid-of pseudonym relationship.<br />
#Use the name of the actual editor if reliably known, otherwise use "The Editors of Mag Name", '''but''' if an editor name is used, make it a co-editor with "The Editors of Mag Name".<br />
#*This has the advantages and disadvantages of #3, except:<br />
#**Searches will be as clean as in case 1.<br />
#**The formulation may seem misleading or odd, but can be explained as our convention.<br />
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Personally I am inclined to favor either case 3 or case 5. I think Bill has been supporting case 1. Let's see if we can come to some consensus on the matter, so that the help can clearly indicate the preferred procedure. Let us remember that in the majority of instances, the actual editor's name will '''not''' be known unless someone visits an archival library where actual issues can be checked, or in some other way does a primary verification. This will probably be a rare event. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 15:57, 22 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:My own inclination is case 1. Any information about editors can be put in the notes.--[[User:Swfritter|swfritter]] 16:07, 22 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:: My own inclination is 1, but I am happy to start with that and let (other) people move it to 5 if some people think the non-genre editors really need to be searchable. I don't think anyone is proposing that data be discarded, as swfritter says it can always be recorded in notes (and I have done so the one time I encountered such). I have tried 4 and if people will EVER be wanting to promote to significance it is not recommended, it's far too much work to undo. I've also tried creating Series and found the extra work far outweighed the benefits (indeed I found NO benefits in most cases). [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 18:49, 22 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::By "start with 1 and permit other people to move to 5" do you mean that it would be all right with you if people chose to enter actual editor names in accord with method 5, as long as you are not expected to do so? I agree with you on the problem with 4. Would you (or anyone) object if I wrote the help to make 1 the standard but 5 a permitted and documented alternative? I do tend to favor 5 myself at this point. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 20:21, 22 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::I like 5. I believe that (over time) images/etexts for all the 'fiction' oriented periodicals will be available through Gutenberg/Google Books/Internet Archive or some similar mechanism, so I don't think it will (over time) be as rare as we might think for the info to be available. It also preserves all data in searchable/usable formats with the software we have today. [[User:Kpulliam|Kevin]] 00:26, 23 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::1 with 5 acceptable is OK. We don't want to discourage editors from entering important data by seeming to require more work than they have the time/resources to do.--[[User:Swfritter|swfritter]] 13:21, 23 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::::I have revised the help to that standard: 1 normal, 5 an optional acceptable altenative. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 20:19, 23 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Magazine titles ==<br />
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Should we use FictionMags as the first common source for determining pre-sf magazine titles? Like the isfdb it is still under construction but is seems now to be quite stable. It has the advantage of being commonly available to everyone. Most of the other sources are books, some of which are fairly expensive and/or rare. Using multiple sources would likely result in a number of inconsistencies.--[[User:Swfritter|swfritter]] 16:41, 22 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:[http://www.philsp.com/index.html Galactic Central]'s Magazine checklists also has relevant useful information, and posibly should be included on our [[Sources of Bibliographic Information]], as perhaps the FictionMags site should be. In particualr the magazine checklist have many cover scans, giving primary evidence of what the cover name, if not the title-page name, of a particular magazine was. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 16:50, 22 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
::That's even better. Help for determining magazine title does allow a little wiggle room for user discretion and a picture is worth a thousand words. Perhaps we should recommend this as the primary source and fictionmags as a secondary source since both are online.--[[User:Swfritter|swfritter]] 16:56, 22 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::The one problem there is that soemtimes a magazine used a shortened or alternative version of its name on the cover, but the full official name on the title page or masthead. How about if we reccomend checking both Galactic Central's Magazine checklists, and the FictionMags site. if they agree, so be it. If not (and they don't agree for All-Story, the covers show "The All-Story" for issues where FictionMags lists "The All-Story Magazine") a check of the LoC and/or OCLC is suggested as a tie-breaker (OCLC lists "All-Story Magazine" for those same issues). How does that procedue sound to you? all are online checks. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 20:28, 22 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Moving on ==<br />
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I think I have now incorporated all the advice given to date into the help page, or at least altered the help page in reaction to it. Are there further issues to consider? Are we ready to declare this help page as definitive as any of our help pages are? Obviously nothing in our help is ever graven in stone, that's why this is a wiki. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 20:58, 23 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:I just did some slight copy-editing, so it appears to be in good enough shape to remove the warning. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 03:00, 24 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Allow me to add that this is the first time in my relatively short time on the ISFDB (since February 2007) that a question was asked ([http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Kpulliam/Archives#Argosy_.28and_similar_Magazines.29.3F August 13, 2008]), was thoroughly discussed and completely resolved in the span of '''TEN DAYS'''. Kudos to David, Bill, and everyone else involved in the creation of this help page, and to Kevin for bringing it up in the first place. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 03:25, 24 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::I just removd the "NotFinal" tag. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 15:58, 26 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Alternate Method ==<br />
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I think the latest statement that "''this method cannot be used if the '''only''' place that an SF work has been published is in a non-genre magazine, collection, or anthology''" is not true. I will gladly teach anyone how to create a stub record in order to add a note concerning its '''only''' publication. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:55, 21 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
:So you are saying we could and should create a title record with a publication record that effectively points nowhere in order to index the title and have a place to add the title note? Yes I suppose we could do that. Shall I alter the comment to mention that possibility? -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 22:59, 21 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
::Not really. I don't think it would be necessary to qualify the "alternate method", as the possibility of this happening is relatively rare. But if you must, there's a better way of creating a title record without having a pointless publication record: add a content record to a pre-existing publication record (doesn't matter which one) and then remove it from the publication record, leaving a publess title record. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 23:41, 21 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::What made me think of it was my recent entry of {{T|1465593|"They Just Click"}}, a story so far published ONLY in a non-genre mag. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 23:45, 21 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
::::I've always felt that this depth of coverage is overkill. How is this any better than just creating a title record and noting the story's original publication? You have a publication record for an obscure non-genre magazine, an interiorart record by a corporate entity (another of my pet peeves), an editor record for a person who will probably never have a spec-fic credit, another editor record, and a publisher record for a publisher that doesn't publish spec-fic, all of which have dubious value, and all just to add a title record for a story that may get reprinted in a genre source (or may not, it really doesn't matter). But that's your call, your effort, your time, and it's entirely out of my hands. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:09, 22 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::::A minor point, CACM is actually not an obscure publication, it's as well known in its field as the ''Journal of the AMA'' is in its. It was in a paper in CACM that Claude Shannon defined the concept of Bandwidth. "GOTO Considered Harmful" in CACM more or less formalized structured programming. But it is NOT a fiction magazine, genre or non genre, usually, so your point is not really affected. <br />
:::::To me the main value in entering such pubs in the ISFDB is that the first pub date properly shows up in the summary display rather than being hidden in a title note. I also find that I am interested in the info about where a story first appeared -- even more so for work first published in 19th C general fiction mags, as much classic horror was. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 01:29, 22 July 2012 (UTC)</div>DESiegel60https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Help_talk:Entering_non-genre_periodicals&diff=280291Help talk:Entering non-genre periodicals2012-07-21T23:45:31Z<p>DESiegel60: /* Alternate Method */</p>
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<div>==What are non-genre magazines?==<br />
I have moved a long parenthetical sentence to a separate paragraph, "What are non-genre magazines?", and cleaned up a few spelling/grammar issues, but I also wonder if we want to describe the data entry rules in detail here or point the users to the main Help page/template that deals with these issues? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 19:05, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Page is still a work-in-progress, i saved it only because I had to be away from my computer for a while and did not wish to risk a crash.<br />
:My reason for describing the data entry rules in detail here is to specify which ones are actually optional for this special case. i will include a link to the main help on these issues as well.-[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 19:12, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Dialog between Bill and DES ==<br />
Thanks for creating this! I composed my response offline so apologies for any criticisms that have already been fixed.[[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:20, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:No problem, responding inline, inserting copies of your signature to make it clear who wrote what. This is still very much a work in progress, which is why it isn't linked anywhere yet. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 22:57, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
"What are non-genre magazines?" - we should include examples of newspapers too. The New York Times, the London Evening Standard, for example.[[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:20, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Agreed, will do. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 22:57, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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"Why should one enter non-genre magazines" is a question, so either it needs a "?" at the end or should be changed to "Why one should enter non-genre magazines" (statement). [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:20, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Agreed, will do. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 22:57, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
It also doesn't state WHEN we should add such: <br />
* When the first printing was in a magazine? <br />
* When the first printing in a certain country was in a magazine? <br />
* For ANY printing in a magazine? <br />
* Do we include SF stories that have ONLY appeared in non-genre magazines (so far)? <br />
* If an author is notable enough that we're including their non-genre books, do we include their non-genre shortfiction in non-genre magazines?<br />
* When we spot stories by SF authors in such a magazine, do we include them "just in case" or leave them out? [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:20, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:I would say that an editor may choose to create stub entries for any of the above, but it is more important when the first or only printing (or first or only printing in the English language, since the ISFDB is English-language-centered) is in a non-genre publication. <br />
:As to non-genre short-fiction, i would tend to leave it out for now, but that is really a separate discussion, and i don't presume to settle that question now.<br />
:As to stories by known SF authors, when the editor doesn't have the actual story at hand, and must guess as to whether it is SF or not, that would be a judgment call, IMO. If it were me, i would tend to do additional research and see if i could find some other reference (an anthology, a lotus listing, or whatever) to indicate tha tit was SF before listing it, unless the author involved was pretty well known to write nothing but SF, or the title suggested that it was SF, or perhaps suggested that it was part of a known SF series, or something of the sort. failing that I wouldn't list, but I don't want to state that as a rule. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 22:57, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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"Required data" - all the example dates are day, month, year: I've bowed to American format and allowed month, day, year for Saturday Evening Post entries for example. Do we want them regularized in general, or for each magazine, or do we not care? (Personally I vote for "not care" - these are only stubs and the CONTENT is important, DATE of the publication is important, date FORMAT in a title is not.) [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:20, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Standardizing within a given magazine is IMO a '''Good Thing''', beyond that i don't think it is vital. I'll mention other date formats. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 22:57, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:: It's purely cosmetic. One thing I do want to avoid though is the need to create individual Wiki pages for each magazine to state the rules for such - I think the "look at other editions for formatting advice" you give is a good guideline though. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]]<br />
:::Largely cosmetic, but not quite purely. If you know the format used, and it has been used consistantly, doing a search for a specific issue is easier and more reliable (that is, no result really means no such issue on file.) But I agree it isn;t vital, and if anyoen really wants to do clenup afterwards to enforce consistancy it is easy enough to do, there is no need for the editor who does inital entry to feel constrained by hard and fast rules on this point. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 20:51, 20 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::: That's the main thing for me - keep this simple or it will put people off. We've already gone from one simple submission, to maybe needing two (if Editor Series have become desirable). Even creating the Non-Genre Magazine index has meant there may be three edits needed, if it's a new one: and then we've gone from ISFDB-editing to Wiki-editing (and you know how many editors are currently frustrating us by not even finding their own talk-page!). If we're not going to standardize all dates though, I doubt anybody will remember exactly how each magazine title is formatted: and as I don't want us to create Wiki pages for each non-genre magazine to record such, my original 'title, abbreviated month, year' in separate fields is still likely to be my preferred search. (Or is anyone thinking of entering Months numerically for any particular title?) [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:39, 20 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::I don't disagree that things need to be as simple as possible. Note that editor-series, if though valuable, can be done afterwards by anyone who thinks they are valuable, there is no need to require the editor who does the initial entry to do them. The same is true of editing wiki pages. As for date format, I'll standardize them if people want that, and write a standard into the help page, but I was trying not to be overly prescriptive in leaving that a bit looser. Mind you, if we did create such wiki pages they should be short and quick to create, and once created should need little maintenance -- if someone else thinks it worth the effort I don't see why you would complain. I don't plan to create such pages at this time, however. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 22:13, 20 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
"date of the issue (or issues, in the case of a serial) " confuses me too. I don't think we should discourage entry of a single episode if that's all that we know about. There's no guarantee that a serial completed even in a genre magazine. I think at this point that we should also mention that if we HAVEN'T found a precise edtion of a magazine, notes on the title record will do just fine in the meantime - there's no good reason to make a monthly or weekly or even daily title look like an annual if all we have is a year.[[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:20, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:I intended that line to cover cases where a serial is know to have been printed in multiple issues, and the dated of each issue are known. i will cover the other possibilities better. i agree with you when a reasonably accurate issue date is not known, leave it to a title note. I will mention title notes in general better. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 22:57, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
"If there is no information about a variant title, you may assume that the title was not changed." I think this is too dangerous an assumption. Many references don't state that it was published under a different title in ISFDB terms (lacked or added a leading "The" for example). I think the default should be "assumed the same, but not proven" until we get a primary check. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:20, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:What i meant was, in the absence of evidence, enter the title in the known later form, but obviously this can be changed when and if evidence is found. I didn't mean to imply that was good enough to verify on. I think we are in agreement on this, just a question of how to say it for clarity. I'll reword. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 22:57, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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"Steps to take" - if we've done it right with the "Editors of..." stuff, then there's no need to go to ADVANCED search at all unless there's going to be a LOT of results and you want a smaller results page. Some existing data is also missing the EDITOR record so I wouldn't recommend restricting the search by that yet. If we do find there's enough data to want to narrow it down, I find title, month (abbreviated), year in the three separate fields of the "ISFDB Publication Search Form" best - that avoids any problems where the title format is vague. And these are only stubs - we have to be allowed to be a bit vague. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:20, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:I '''DO''' want to allow for stubs to be entered with the actual editor's name when known, and not all such will be marked as pesuds of "the editors of" since that is a separate step that may be missed. Besides, I would send people to advanced search anyway to avoid the 100-entry limit, we're already over thirty on the SEP<br />
Editor Field - either we stick with "Editors of MAGAZINE NAME" (and we probably need to standardize Magazine name a bit - e.g. I've no idea when Collier's was "Weekly" or "Magazine") or we have problems. Pseudonyms are currently controversial - they work well as pseudonyms of "Editors of MAGAZINE NAME" but creating such makes "promotion" of such editors to full ISFDB "Author" a major pain. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:20, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Then I will remove the recommendation to make such entries pesuds, but I think that if the actual editor's name is known, it is perverse not to enter it.<br />
:: I'm not recommending NOT entering such at all, but if it's an insignificant detail then a note for the relevant issue is enough, IMO. When it's someone like {{A|Alice K. Turner}} then it's not insignificant. If people are against pseudonyms (and I can see why) then we can either leave notes or credit the Editor in the database field, in which case we've lost all the simplicity of entering these: the original suggestions meant you could create these stubs in ONE sunmission. As soon as you start adding inconsistencies then it means more work - e.g. varying the Editor (which breaks simple search for "Editors of...") means that to keep all the publications together you have to go along the lines of swfritter's Editor Series. Which means a second edit pass and second approval at a minimum. The more work we make, the less likely people are to do it: this is also why I demonstrated that for small runs of magazines, with consistent editors, it's easy to add one link to the set without doing all that work. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 20:26, 20 August 2008 (UTC) <br />
:::My feeling is that a) we can't be sure that we know who is "significant" or not, it might well be that a change of editor will correlate with a change in the frquency of SF content, and b) really any editor is significant. IMO the only reason to use an "editors of" entry is when we don't know and can't easily find the actual editor's name. When i make such entreis I plan to dop a little research, at least a google search and an OCLC searc. if either yields an actual editor's name i would of course use that instead of "editors of".-[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 20:46, 20 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::: Then I'll leave you to do the Editor Series work. (And I think we should probably stress that people '''enter the data anyway''', the people that CARE about such can fix it up later - if this help page ends up with too many rules then I want it separated into "How to Enter" for normal editors and "How to Arrange" for the zealots.) To me, almost all Editors are '''IN'''significant. Really. Even Campbell or Gernsback. ('''"SACRILEGE!!"''', I know). The Editors I have been known to look for are Damon Knight and John Carnell - but currently ISFDB isn't even properly set up to search for all real Editors whose taste in selected works is something I share. I'd search for "Angus Wells" if it did but Editors of Single-Author Collections don't get credited. I'd much rather that was sorted than add every J. Random Bloke that ever edited a non-genre magazine to our Author directory. We're already having to deal with multiple authors with the same name, I'd like to minimise the risk of more collisions between Good SF Bloke and nonentity with same name. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 22:30, 20 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::As for the issue with searching, i frankly don't see it as a major issue. Instead of searching on "Editors of Playboy" one can just do a title search on "Playboy", or an advanced title search on "Title=Playboy" and "titletype=Editor". The latter finds all the same records, plus at least one that already exists using a real editor's name (the above mentioned {{A|Alice K. Turner}}). (Indeed several of the playboy editors may have been significant -- i have read comments in author's intros to stories about various SF authors having ongoing relationships with such editors.) -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 20:46, 20 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::: The simple search for title Playboy gives 57 results, none of them of type Magazine. Yes, WE know we have to look for the EDITOR records among them, but many of our casual users don't. (Seriously, go show ISFDB to someone that's never seen it before but likes SF - the "Simple" searches are anything but that to them, the results are so polluted with things they never wanted to see it really does put people off - but I know that's something Al will have to attend to, we won't fix that here.) Advanced search does mostly give us what we want, but 1) there are still a LOT of missing Editor records (I had to fix half a dozen just to do the few non-genre mags we've just covered) and 2) if we've put people off with a bad Simple search there's no way we're going to get them to try Advanced. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 22:30, 20 August 2008 (UTC) <br />
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:::::In the words of one Web programmer who looked at the ISFDB earlier this year, "Do you really expect casual users to be able to use this, um, interface?"... [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 23:19, 20 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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"In the year field enter the date of publication in YYYY-MM-DD format as closely as it is known" - this again is where we should consider title notes instead. There's no point creating a "Playboy 1962-00-00" record just because you haven't pinned down which of a dozen it is. Nor a "Saturday Evening Post 1962-02-00" record if you can't pin it down to one of the four (or was it five that year?). If it's not accurate enough, title notes are the way to go. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:20, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:I was thinking more of magazines that were only quarterly, If the issue was "1892 Spring" i would put the date as 1892-00-00. Similarly a monthly or bimonthly would not have the day, and might not have the year, filled in. I will clarify a bit. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 22:57, 19 August 2008 (UTC) <br />
Publisher - I don't want too many new publishers, leave blank if it's not someone publishing SF. Or at least keep it consistent. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:20, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Consistent yes. I don't think most of these mags had all that many publishers, and in most cases people working form secondary sources will leave this blank anyway. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 22:57, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
Page count - approximations are enough for me.<br />
Format - I'm not bothered, just don't invent any more new ones please. I've left dimensions in notes when I found them. "Digest", "Pulp", "Bedsheet" are STILL so poorly defined here that I wouldn't use them anyway. (Someone go fix the regular help please?) [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:20, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:OK I'll suggest leaving this field blank. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 22:57, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
Notes - Ah, this is one of the big philosophical differences. Yes, if you think you have a good authoritative source, mention it. If you're creating a Frankenpub from multiple sources, as I occasionally do, I prefer NOT to reveal my sources as I want them investigated. Quoting sources for such may stop people investigating further and from challenging entries. Even an "Information sourced from Ebay auction" comment seems to make people think "that's good enough for me". (And in this case, [http://www.philsp.com/homeville/FMI/0start.htm#TOC The FictionMags Index] does have a LOT of such.) [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:20, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:I strongly dosage. I want to know what sources a person used so i know where not to waste time and where else might be worth looking, or on the other hand where to check if an entry seems odd. Indeed if I were the ISFDB dictator, i might be inclined to say "make no entry at all without a noted source". But I'm not, still i want to encourage listing the sources used. Still we can discuss the matter. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 22:57, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:: It's precisely BECAUSE people want to "know where not to waste time" that I avoid such notes - as I don't think a double-check is ever wasted. (Treble might be, quadruple, quintuple ones, yes... but I'm still waiting for multiple verifier support. I might stop checking everything when I see two or three careful verifiers have put their names to something.) And I don't mean just go check I transcribed it right, I mean RESEARCH it by the best means you know how. (Any good sources I find are mentioned in ISFDB, just not at publication level.) It's probably not worth a big discussion - we've had those before, and you're not the only person telling me I should quote sources, but I think my slightly maverick attitude helps in the long run. If '''I''' don't quote sources, it means someone that thinks sources are essential '''will''' double-check it. Of course, someone could just delete the 80% of data here that doesn't have a source credited and start over again: but if so I'd rather they do it with our data on another site. Al might get a bit annoyed that so much of his original typing was wasted, too. -[[User:BLongley|BLongley]] <br />
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:::I am not proposing to delete unsourced data, but like anthologies without page numbers, I would hope it becomes rarer over time. You may be right about lack of sources inducing people to double check, but it is still a bit unfair IMO, people should be able to decide if they want to spend time double-checking you, or single-checking stuff that no one has really vetted at all. As for myself, if I see something that looks odd, I am I think at least as likely to check it if I see a source listed, perhaps by trying a different source, to see if they agree. If no one ever records sources, who will we know when something has in fact been quadruple-checked, and avoid quintuple checks. Well I've made my point, and I probably won't convince you. But I think it it is a good idea for this help page in particular to recommend recording sources, as this sort of data is even more likely than most to be built on secondary sources, and recording them may help us get a better handle on where our info is coming from, and may induce some people to do a bit more research when creating an entry. Frankly, i suspect that many if not most of the "non-genre magazine" entries will come, not from general checklist such as we might have in the "sources" page, but from "acknowledgments" or "history" sections of reprint anthologies. I could be wrong. If people actually record their sources we might find out. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 21:35, 20 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::: Oh, don't let me discourage YOU from adding sources: I just think with current ISFDB software a mixture of those editors that don't add sources and those that do is probably healthier all round in the meantime and encourages multiple checks. If I didn't research as much as I do I'd probably be adding far more notes AGAINST current entries: which might be another useful indication, e.g. if I spot an Ace publication with an ISBN starting "07221" I immediately know that can't be right: I could add a reference to the publisher page that points out which publisher DOES use that prefix, and it isn't Ace: or I could just remove the incorrect ISBN: or correct the pub from my other research: or delete it entirely. I make deletion a last resort, but as people won't always go down to pub level notes I prefer to correct rather than note, where possible (I don't want anyone thinking Ace ever published 07221 pubs if they're just looking at a publisher/year summary, for instance). [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 23:35, 20 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::: One thing that MIGHT make me change my practices is if notes were signed, verifiably. I agree over-checking is a waste of resources, and I'd be happy to stop checking a pub from secondary sources if it had, say, been checked by you against [http://www.philsp.com/homeville/FMI/0start.htm#TOC The FictionMags Index] and swfritter had commented that another later magazine said it was a reprint from that exact magazine, and MHutchins mentioned that the original magazine was credited in a Collection. I believe Al is working on Edit Histories that might give me that confidence that Notes were added by the person that the Notes SAY added it (and in the meantime, you might want to add "SIGN your notes" as a guideline). Of course, I'll never be truly satisfied until it's been Primary Verified several times over by people I respect, and I want people to treat my edits with the same paranoia I exhibit towards other people's work. (I see I've recently passed 30,000 edits - I'd guess at least 5,000 of those are correcting myself, 1,000 of the rest are probably still not perfect, and there's 100s where other people gently pointed out where I may gone wrong. I do NOT want to sound "authoritative" in any way - so I WANT a bit of vagueness about the reliability of anything here, before anybody finds out that I am actually a conglomerate of Scientologists sent here to establish a reliable reputation before we reveal the fact that L. Ron Hubbard wrote all Speculative Fiction, ever, and we WILL shortly submit and approve the Variant Authors when you're all asleep. ;-) [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 23:35, 20 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::::Well, as Bill said, you are not the only one pointing out that recording one's sources is a Good Idea for numerous reasons. For starters, an unsourced FrankenPub can be misleading since it doesn't warn casual users where the data comes from and that it may not be reliable due to possible conflation of multiple publications -- see examples below. Moreover, even if Bill returns to the pub later on, he (not to mention other editors) will probably have to re-do all the legwork since he won't remember what sources he may have checked. Finally, based on prior experience with unsourced publications, the Frankenpubs will be eventually reviewed and re-checked by other editors, who will confirm and source some of the data elements and move the rest of them to Notes with a comment along the lines of "Original ISFDB record stated that the publication date was 1923-00-00, but the source of this information is unknown". Doesn't look like a productive way to approach things, but it's been my experience that many otherwise sane contributors occasionally disagree with me (!) on what appear to be clearcut issues. Probably something in the water... [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 23:19, 20 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::::: (Is this a Trialog now? Not sure of the term...) Anyway, yes, casual users aren't warned about where the data came from but that is a problem that has existed since ISFDB1. Verification adds another level of possible reliability, but still isn't guaranteed (see all the questions about "your verified pub" on active editor's talk pages), and people can look at a pub and ask themselves "it's not verified - should I trust it?" or "it's Tuck-verified, good enough for me" or "primary-verified - well, I'm still not sure, but I know who to ask now". I could add a lot of "Amazon says this was actually published under the name Enid Blyton" notes and that wouldn't improve our data at all. I'm not adding random data - anything I do add that isn't primary is researched to a level that has convinced ME, currently, that such a publication exists with that data. If I do come back and think it looks wrong based on what I know now, I'm happy to research it again, unbiased by prior notes. Re-doing the legwork is not a problem in my eyes, it probably SHOULD be done every so often until enough people stamp their approval on it. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 01:11, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::: I'll give away an example of the sort of things I do add. "First British publication" entries based on credits in a later British paperback edition. ISFDB lacks a LOT of such pubs for titles where we have only the US versions. I usually don't credit them as "First British publication" as there's often some weasel-phrases involved and "First Published in Great Britain by Sphere in 1974" may actually mean that's the year that Sphere first published it here, NOT that it was the first British publication. But it's a probable genuine publication we don't have here, and so I'll add it, after checking that Amazon/Alibris/Abebooks/Ebay or such have it and some sellers give similar date details, and I'll probably get an ISBN out of such searches too. It's a good starting point, but next year it might not be for sale anywhere and I'd start again. Why don't I just state what it says in the pub I started from? It's because you can't handle the truth until you all understand British printing practices. (I have multiple editions of the same title that swear it was originally published by Panther: or Granada: or Grafton: they're all right in a way.) Adding items that demand further research is fine by me, at least I've pointed you all at something that NEEDS more research. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 01:11, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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The exceptions (for me) are entries from some sources that people think are good but I'm yet to be convinced of - so I'll quote OCLC if that's all I used. But if I found a pub on "Read It, Swap It" and somebody on Alibris wants to sell it to me, and Amazon admit it exists but assure me it's by HarperCollins even though the pub existed years before HarperCollins was formed, and there's a cover-scan on somebody's personal site that we can't use, but seems to prove there was a Panther edition, even if Panther was just an imprint of Granada by then, I'm not going to quote sources. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:20, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:In that kind of case i might say something like "Data combined from various online vendors, no one of which seems fully reliable". The notes I really want are "Data from 'acknowledgments' section of ''Best Vampire Stores'' edited by Elwood and Greenburg" (to make up an example). -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 22:57, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:: I do add some notes about sources in a roundabout way - e.g. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?FNDTNDWDRP1990 here] is information about 36 different printings, recorded in the source. The page for that title is long enough already that I didn't use it to create all 36 though, just the ones I could verify. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:20, 20 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Other Comments ==<br />
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*Do not enter a cover artist, nor a cover image URL. Leave both fields blank.<br />
I'm curious about the above limitation. Could we extend this and allow 'genre' covers and cover artists to be listed? (i.e. the Cover is for the SF work being added)<br />
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You may also want a line about crediting interior artwork (When its associated with the SF work.<br />
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:Interior art is mentioned in the fifth step of [http://208.100.59.10/wiki/index.php/Help:Entering_non-genre_magazines#Steps_to_take this section]. I see your point about the cover art of the magazine. I agree that if the cover illustrates the spec-fic that's indexed, it and its artist should be credited. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 01:35, 20 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Fair enough, i will qualify this. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 01:50, 20 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:::Agreed. Bonestell for example did covers for [http://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/C/Colliers_space.html Colliers] which are worth recording I'd think. The articles and pictures became [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?103314 The Conquest of Space] which we have a stub entry for already. [[User:Dcarson|Dana Carson]] 03:58, 20 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Going forward ==<br />
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I think that I have incorporated all the comments made to date in the current version of the help page, and that it is reasonably complete, if not correct. Please review it and make further comments, as needed, so that we can come to a consensus on this issue. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 18:51, 20 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:You might consider adding in Step Seven that if the editor is familiar with merging that they search the author's summary page to determine if a previous title record exists, and if so, merge it with the newly created record. (I believe a title merge to be of immensely more importance than merging pub records into an editor series.) Other than that, this help page is in good enough shape to be considered part of the Help Pages. Good job, David. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 00:10, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:: Good point, Mike: I originally came at this with the view that we were trying to record original publication dates with a covering Magazine title: and so a title merge was obviously going to be the next step. Now people mention later publications, unreliability of original publication titles, making all magazines nicely standardized, etc, we may have lost sight of this. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 01:23, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::I will add that. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 15:45, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Done. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 20:46, 23 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Further Comments ==<br />
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*In What are non-genre Magazines, the last two sentences "General newspapers, such as the New York Times and the London Times have occasionally published SF. Any issues containing works of speculative fiction can also be entered in the same way as a non-genre magazine." should be combined to read "General newspapers, such as the New York Times and the London Times have occasionally published SF and any issues containing works of speculative fiction can also be entered in the same way as a non-genre magazine."<br />
**If you want to change it, you may, and I won't revert. i think the two sentance version is better writing, but that is a matter of taste and/or judgement. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 15:58, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
*In "Why...." second paragraph, "It is never required...." should be changed to "It is not currently required...." or "It is not always required...." or even better... "It is not always necessary...." ''Never'' is such a strict word. (''Required'' is too.)<br />
*:I agree, siding with "It is not always necessary..." Much more user friendly. <br />
[[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 00:36, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
*::I was trying to be friendly, to imply "you don't have to do this if you don't choose to." I will reword. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 15:58, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
*In "Required Data": "The name(s) of the author(s) credited in the initial publication." is flat wrong. We would (and mention a few lines later) gladly take the canonical name of the author, if that is all that is available. Perhaps a better first sentence would be "The name(s) of the author(s) as credited in the initial publication, or if unknown then the name of the author as shown in a secondary source." - This line needs more work... I don't like what i just wrote either.<br />
*:Actually, author credit should be the name of the author EXACTLY as credited in THIS non-genre publication. We can worry about merging and creating variants if this happens to be a non-canonical title. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 00:36, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
*:::That is more or less what I was trying to say. Beter wording welcomed. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 15:58, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
*::What I meant here is that secondary sources don't always list the pseudonym, if any were used. By '''Requiring''' it you exclude secondary data... which you accept later in the same paragraph. The paragraph contradicts itself.[[User:Kpulliam|Kevin]] 02:11, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
*:::I'll clarify this. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 15:58, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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*In "Steps to take", "In the "year" field...." I think we need more definition on the quirks of periodical dating. Some obvious dating problems (that a predefined conversion would solve:<br />
**Mid-MONTH should be entered as YEAR-MM-15<br />
**:Really? I would have entered it as YEAR-MM-00, I would never put a day in unles a specific day was known with precisiuon, normally only for a dalily pub or a weekly one with a known day of issue. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 15:58, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
**::There are 13-14 years of Analog and Asimovs with Mid-MONTH issues. I just spot checked a few. As you said, none of the ones I spot checked had a day to indicate it was published AFTER the MONTH issue (but then several of them didn't even have a MONTH entered even though the month was in the title). Is it '''really''' more accurate to imply simultaneous same day publication of 2 issues, as to imply a separation of some weeks between the issues? (This may need to be a separate discussion)[[User:Kpulliam|Kevin]] 00:13, 23 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
**:::As I understand it, YYYY-MM-00 does '''not''' imply simultaneous publication with another pub also marked YYYY-MM-00. What it says is, this was published soemtime during the specified moth, we don't know when. Indeed when i find a '''book''' with a non-zero day specified, i normally convert it to 00 as a matter of course, unless there is a note justifing the specific day, or unless the publication has been primary verified, on the assumptuion that the day is invalid, quite probably from amazon. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 20:55, 23 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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**MONTH_XX-MONTH_XX+1 should be entered as YEAR-XX-00 (Use the first of two months listed)<br />
**:I see. i would probaly have listed it as YEAR-00-00. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 15:58, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
***Unless it's DEC-JAN and the year of publication matches JAN, then use YEAR-01-00<br />
**Is Winter at the end of the year or the beginning? Should WINTER 77 be entered as an early '77 date, or a late 77 date?<br />
**:Ah. I would have entered it as simply YRAR-00-00. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 15:58, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
***Season Month = Month Season Begins? (Or the reverse SEASON=Month Season Ends) - Barring other evidence, where FALL is in Year XX and Winter is published in YEAR XX+1.<br />
****[[Help:Screen:EditPub]] says to use YYYY-00-00 for a magazine issue with an issue date of "Fall" or other quarterly season. That seems sensible to me. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 20:47, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
**Others: BONUS, EXTRA, 'Holiday', etc. What to do if a supernumary issue falls is issued on the same day as a regular issue. (This one will be exceedingly rare to even occur and to '''ALSO''' have SF in it. Feel free to ignore this one, just postulating.<br />
***Just being silly on this one... what about those poor periodicals issued prior to 1751, where Jan 1-March 24 were part of the preceeding year by current standards... should the editors be concerned about that. (Seriously - I'm just kidding; of '''course''' we should record the ''printed date'' - Now where did I leave those copies of the Transcripts of the Proceedings of the Royal Societey.. Oh wait.. they weren't fiction - Did they 'ever' publish fiction. What IS the oldest periodical to include fiction. Newspapers have been doing it for centuries....)<br />
**Issue no. and year (no month) enter as YEAR-01-IssueNumber (This puts multiples in order) or enter it as YEAR-XX-00 through No 12. All others get entered as YEAR-12-XX?<br />
***I strongly oppose overloading the day field with issue numbers. in fact, i won't do that nor write text advising it. if that is the consensus, i won't enter such magazines. The overloading of the day with printing number was a failure, and I think this would only be worse. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 15:58, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
*In "Steps to take", "If the accurate page count (including front and back covers)" Do we really want to do this? I thought page counts excluded from and back covers. (I could be wrong, will go read the help) - Yep. I'm wrong. the instructions say use front and back covers.... BUT I believe the early astoundings and other magazines entered from secondary sources often/usually left off the covers. Something for me to go research some then)... moving on...<br />
*In "Steps to take", "If a novel-length work published in a single issue is being entered, add "(Complete Novel)" to the title, and use a type of "SERIAL"." needs an admonishing that just because the magazine calls it a 'Complete Novel' we don't. And then a link to the right help file describing that fact. <br />
::Good point, I agree this caveat should be added to this section. <br />
[[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 00:36, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Will do. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 15:58, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
*In "Steps to take", "Leave the date field blank." Why? Per previous instructions this will most likely be the first or only publication in a periodical. We have already determined ''some'' date, and it's likely an original publication. We should instruct them to duplicate the issue date unless they have a reason not to. (Or maybe I don't understand what's supposed to go here - Feel fee to throw the clue stick at me.)<br />
::The system automatically fills in blank content dates with the date of the publication as entered in its DATE field, so entering the date again for each of the content entries is superfluous. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 00:36, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Exactly. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 15:58, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::Then (As I surmised) I just didn't understand how it was working. [[User:Kpulliam|Kevin]] 00:16, 23 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
*In "Serials". "Do not assume that a serial started in one issue must have been continued in the next. There are cases where a serialization was started but never completed." - Are there really? And the next issue was published? I personally thought that the only time this happened was when a magazine went under, or didn't go to print due to war/paper/money shortages for some several months. (But I'm often wrong - I'm just questioning the need for this. Even if it didn't get published... we would want to document that with an 8888 date wouldn't we?)<br />
::Yes it happens (see the magazines edited by William F. Crawford, who stranded at least three serials.) But these were cases where the magazines died in mid-serial, as you point out. I think David (or the person who wrote that section) was merely pointing out a fact of the publishing business: don't assume anything! <br />
[[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 00:36, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Indeed soewmone else (bill?) pointed it out to me above, which is why i wrote it in. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 15:58, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
*In "Editor Pseudonyms" how about if the Editor is known, have them add both the known editor and the Editors Of. No Pseudonym problems, and this solution is upgradeable while preserving all information, and making list link (to Editor Series) wok prior to the upgrade. (besides, few editors worked in a vacuum... they must have had lackeys or henchmen)<br />
**We need more discussion on this issue, i think. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 20:49, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
*"The Alternative" should be moved to "Why one should Enter"... why make someone read to the bottom... if they were going to give up and move on.. they did it LONG before they found out about the alternative.<br />
::Good point, but if someone didn't want to know "how to enter non-genre magazines", they wouldn't have come to this page to start with. :) Putting the alternative at the end is like saying "OK, we know this may be more complicated and too much information than you expected, so here's the last resort." And if you re-read the second paragraph of the second question it states "A note in the title record for the work is an acceptable alternate way of recording the information." If anyone reads further, it's because they intend to sail the dangerous seas of non-genre magazine entry. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 00:36, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::That was more or less my thought, and don't forget there is a ToC right at the start. But if you want it moved, we can move it. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 15:58, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::I added a more explicit reference and an inter-page link at the top. i think the subject logically belongs at the bottom, but will move it if others still wish. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 20:49, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Sorry there was so much... the page as is, is great... these are just the things I thought of... many (most?) of them can be ignored. [[User:Kpulliam|Kevin]] 00:05, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:No need to apologize. We need as much feedback as we can get. This is a collaborative effort and nobody is too full of himself to think that someone else's opinion doesn't matter. If they did, they wouldn't hang around very long! [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 00:36, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
::I am very glad to get any and all commentes, even or especially if ZI don't agree with them. I will soon make at least some changes based on the above comments. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 15:58, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Date format in title is important ==<br />
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We have a standard and basically a very simple one. Why not stick to it since it does not take any great effort to do so? We should also have a system standard for periodicals which have a day of publication. I use ''Magname, August 21, 2008'' but there are other possibilities. The only thing that needs elaboration on is oddball date formats and date formats for publication types, such as newspapers, for which no current standard applies. There are a lot of fields that it is totally unnecessary to enter data into but if data is entered in these fields it should be according to standards. My own inclination would be to discourage entry in these fields but if someone wants to enter the data it should be done right. The stories are the critical data but that does not mean the standards should be totally discarded for the pub fields.--[[User:Swfritter|swfritter]] 16:40, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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: While I disagree totally about the importance, I agree there should be a standard. ONE standard, that we can document on "Help:Entering non-genre magazines", certainly not per magazine. I'm not too bothered whether that's "stick to the same format as existing magazine entries" or "exactly as stated on the magazine" or "regularized in the same way as Genre magazines". [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 19:20, 21 August 2008 (UTC) <br />
: But that's not as simple as you suggest, except for monthly titles, so that help could be improved. Yes, we need a rule for days in dates, but you also need to clarify the "Missing or variant dates" section. Does the "the form given on the magazine" rule for bimonthly or quarterly magazines ''totally'' override the "Month in full, then Year in full" bit? E.g. If a pub says: "'60, Jun/Jul issue" do we record that exactly or change it to "June-July, 1960"? The hyphenation rule immediately afterwards suggests we override part of the "the form given on the magazine" rule but doesn't make it clear if we also apply the month and year "in full" bits. The examples could also be improved - "Interzone, Fall 1979" doesn't exist. The magazine didn't even get created till 1982 and as a British magazine, there were no "Fall" issues, but some "Autumn" ones. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 19:20, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
::I have revised this a bit, is it sufficient now, or do we need a stricter or celarer standard? -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 20:50, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
::: It's the normal magazine date help that I'm questioning, and I'm without enough examples to see what is actually done in practice. Titles like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?136836 Century] may be following a standardisation rule that isn't made clear, or may be in error. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?INTRTXTJANFEB1994 Intertext] looks particularly confusing. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:05, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::The [http://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:EditPub Help] for this subject matter is totally unambiguous. I would suggest that the Help for non-genre magazines refer the user to the EditPub Help rather than trying to create a separate standard. The only specific date issues that need to be addressed in non-genre Help are for issues that are only likely to occur in non-genre pubs - newspapers come immediately to mind. I noticed that in the examples the months are not spelled out completely. I will fix them.--[[User:Swfritter|swfritter]] 16:20, 22 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::I can do that if othes agree. Any further comments by anyone? -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 16:24, 22 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::: I am frankly ASTOUNDED that anyone can state the EditPub help is currently "totally unambiguous", it's completely the opposite to me. But if it's fixed satisfactorily then I'm happy to use it and keep consistency. May I suggest an advanced Pub search for "Science Fiction Weekly" though? That seems to be a Genre magazine with consistency problems, that will cover some of the problems that will occur more often in non-Genre ones. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 19:02, 22 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Editor names ==<br />
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First of all, i think I have addressed all the comments above in the help with the exception of the issue with editor names. In some cases i may not have addressed them sufficiently, or people may not agree with my wording, but I think we have something close to a consensus. On Editor names, I think there is clear disagreement. Let me state what the various positions are, as I understand them, and see if we can come to an agreement. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 15:57, 22 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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This is about what test to put in the "editor" field when creating or editing an entry for a non-genre magazine. The choices suggested are:<br />
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#Always use "The Editors of Mag Name".<br />
#*This has some advantages:<br />
#**A search on the "name" will always return all the issues (if they have been properly created). <br />
#**As few new records as possible will be created. <br />
#**There will be no need to do research into who the editor was for any particular issue. <br />
#**There will be no chance of such a name duplicating that of a real author of SF (or editor or artist).<br />
#*Disadvantages (and responses): <br />
#**This means, in some cases, discarding accurate information of unknown significance.<br />
#**In most cases, a title search on "Mag Name" will return the same issues, including ones incorrectly created. Editor series can also be used.<br />
#**Patterns may appear in which editors published more SF.<br />
#**If an editor turns out to be a significant person in SF history, the data has already been gathered.<br />
#Use "The Editors of Mag Name" '''unless''' the editor's name is known, '''and''' the editor is in some way a person significant to the history of SF.<br />
#*This has most of the advantages and disadvantages of #1, except:<br />
#**Occasionally, searches on "The Editors of Mag Name" will be incomplete. Publication series will be needed to insure that a quick, correct, and complete search can be done. <br />
#**There is now some pressure to do research into who the actual editor of an issue was, in case it was a "significant person".<br />
#*This has the additional disadvantage that it opens up the question of who is a "significant person", which might become heated, and can't possible be cleanly resolved in all cases.<br />
#Use the name of the actual editor if reliably known, otherwise use "The Editors of Mag Name".<br />
#*This has the following advantages.<br />
#**Known data will not be discarded.<br />
#**Editors who were more accepting of SF may become known.<br />
#**Then ISFDB may be somewhat more useful as a research tool.<br />
#**Individual editors can choose whether or not to spend time researching issue editors.<br />
#**If an editor is a "significant person", data showing this will eventually be available.<br />
#*Disadvantages:<br />
#**Searches are not as clear as in #1, and publication series may be desired.<br />
#**Some people will feel pressure to research editor names, statements in the help to the contrary notwithstanding.<br />
#**Some editor names may be identical to names of actual SF authors, artists, or editors, requiring disambiguation, which may not always be done correctly.<br />
#Use the name of the actual editor if reliably known, otherwise use "The Editors of Mag Name", '''but''' if an editor name is used, make it a pseudonym of "The Editors of Mag Name".<br />
#*This has the advantages and disadvantages of #3, except:<br />
#**Searches will be as clean as in case 1.<br />
#**If an editor does turn out to be a "significant person", in particular if s/he turns out also to be an author (artist, editor) of SF, we will be stuck with a misleading and hard-to-get-rid-of pseudonym relationship.<br />
#Use the name of the actual editor if reliably known, otherwise use "The Editors of Mag Name", '''but''' if an editor name is used, make it a co-editor with "The Editors of Mag Name".<br />
#*This has the advantages and disadvantages of #3, except:<br />
#**Searches will be as clean as in case 1.<br />
#**The formulation may seem misleading or odd, but can be explained as our convention.<br />
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Personally I am inclined to favor either case 3 or case 5. I think Bill has been supporting case 1. Let's see if we can come to some consensus on the matter, so that the help can clearly indicate the preferred procedure. Let us remember that in the majority of instances, the actual editor's name will '''not''' be known unless someone visits an archival library where actual issues can be checked, or in some other way does a primary verification. This will probably be a rare event. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 15:57, 22 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:My own inclination is case 1. Any information about editors can be put in the notes.--[[User:Swfritter|swfritter]] 16:07, 22 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:: My own inclination is 1, but I am happy to start with that and let (other) people move it to 5 if some people think the non-genre editors really need to be searchable. I don't think anyone is proposing that data be discarded, as swfritter says it can always be recorded in notes (and I have done so the one time I encountered such). I have tried 4 and if people will EVER be wanting to promote to significance it is not recommended, it's far too much work to undo. I've also tried creating Series and found the extra work far outweighed the benefits (indeed I found NO benefits in most cases). [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 18:49, 22 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::By "start with 1 and permit other people to move to 5" do you mean that it would be all right with you if people chose to enter actual editor names in accord with method 5, as long as you are not expected to do so? I agree with you on the problem with 4. Would you (or anyone) object if I wrote the help to make 1 the standard but 5 a permitted and documented alternative? I do tend to favor 5 myself at this point. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 20:21, 22 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::I like 5. I believe that (over time) images/etexts for all the 'fiction' oriented periodicals will be available through Gutenberg/Google Books/Internet Archive or some similar mechanism, so I don't think it will (over time) be as rare as we might think for the info to be available. It also preserves all data in searchable/usable formats with the software we have today. [[User:Kpulliam|Kevin]] 00:26, 23 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::1 with 5 acceptable is OK. We don't want to discourage editors from entering important data by seeming to require more work than they have the time/resources to do.--[[User:Swfritter|swfritter]] 13:21, 23 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::::I have revised the help to that standard: 1 normal, 5 an optional acceptable altenative. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 20:19, 23 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Magazine titles ==<br />
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Should we use FictionMags as the first common source for determining pre-sf magazine titles? Like the isfdb it is still under construction but is seems now to be quite stable. It has the advantage of being commonly available to everyone. Most of the other sources are books, some of which are fairly expensive and/or rare. Using multiple sources would likely result in a number of inconsistencies.--[[User:Swfritter|swfritter]] 16:41, 22 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:[http://www.philsp.com/index.html Galactic Central]'s Magazine checklists also has relevant useful information, and posibly should be included on our [[Sources of Bibliographic Information]], as perhaps the FictionMags site should be. In particualr the magazine checklist have many cover scans, giving primary evidence of what the cover name, if not the title-page name, of a particular magazine was. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 16:50, 22 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
::That's even better. Help for determining magazine title does allow a little wiggle room for user discretion and a picture is worth a thousand words. Perhaps we should recommend this as the primary source and fictionmags as a secondary source since both are online.--[[User:Swfritter|swfritter]] 16:56, 22 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::The one problem there is that soemtimes a magazine used a shortened or alternative version of its name on the cover, but the full official name on the title page or masthead. How about if we reccomend checking both Galactic Central's Magazine checklists, and the FictionMags site. if they agree, so be it. If not (and they don't agree for All-Story, the covers show "The All-Story" for issues where FictionMags lists "The All-Story Magazine") a check of the LoC and/or OCLC is suggested as a tie-breaker (OCLC lists "All-Story Magazine" for those same issues). How does that procedue sound to you? all are online checks. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 20:28, 22 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Moving on ==<br />
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I think I have now incorporated all the advice given to date into the help page, or at least altered the help page in reaction to it. Are there further issues to consider? Are we ready to declare this help page as definitive as any of our help pages are? Obviously nothing in our help is ever graven in stone, that's why this is a wiki. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 20:58, 23 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:I just did some slight copy-editing, so it appears to be in good enough shape to remove the warning. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 03:00, 24 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Allow me to add that this is the first time in my relatively short time on the ISFDB (since February 2007) that a question was asked ([http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Kpulliam/Archives#Argosy_.28and_similar_Magazines.29.3F August 13, 2008]), was thoroughly discussed and completely resolved in the span of '''TEN DAYS'''. Kudos to David, Bill, and everyone else involved in the creation of this help page, and to Kevin for bringing it up in the first place. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 03:25, 24 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::I just removd the "NotFinal" tag. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 15:58, 26 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Alternate Method ==<br />
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I think the latest statement that "''this method cannot be used if the '''only''' place that an SF work has been published is in a non-genre magazine, collection, or anthology''" is not true. I will gladly teach anyone how to create a stub record in order to add a note concerning its '''only''' publication. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:55, 21 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
:So you are saying we could and should create a title record with a publication record that effectively points nowhere in order to index the title and have a place to add the title note? Yes I suppose we could do that. Shall I alter the comment to mention that possibility? -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 22:59, 21 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
::Not really. I don't think it would be necessary to qualify the "alternate method", as the possibility of this happening is relatively rare. But if you must, there's a better way of creating a title record without having a pointless publication record: add a content record to a pre-existing publication record (doesn't matter which one) and then remove it from the publication record, leaving a publess title record. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 23:41, 21 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::What made me think of it was my recent entry of {{T|1465593|"They Just Click"}}, a story so far published ONLY in a non-genre mag. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 23:45, 21 July 2012 (UTC)</div>DESiegel60https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Rules_and_standards_discussions&diff=280284Rules and standards discussions2012-07-21T23:02:45Z<p>DESiegel60: /* Nongenre short fiction */</p>
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<div>==What are non-genre magazines?==<br />
I have moved a long parenthetical sentence to a separate paragraph, "What are non-genre magazines?", and cleaned up a few spelling/grammar issues, but I also wonder if we want to describe the data entry rules in detail here or point the users to the main Help page/template that deals with these issues? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 19:05, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Page is still a work-in-progress, i saved it only because I had to be away from my computer for a while and did not wish to risk a crash.<br />
:My reason for describing the data entry rules in detail here is to specify which ones are actually optional for this special case. i will include a link to the main help on these issues as well.-[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 19:12, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Dialog between Bill and DES ==<br />
Thanks for creating this! I composed my response offline so apologies for any criticisms that have already been fixed.[[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:20, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:No problem, responding inline, inserting copies of your signature to make it clear who wrote what. This is still very much a work in progress, which is why it isn't linked anywhere yet. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 22:57, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
"What are non-genre magazines?" - we should include examples of newspapers too. The New York Times, the London Evening Standard, for example.[[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:20, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Agreed, will do. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 22:57, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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"Why should one enter non-genre magazines" is a question, so either it needs a "?" at the end or should be changed to "Why one should enter non-genre magazines" (statement). [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:20, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Agreed, will do. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 22:57, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
It also doesn't state WHEN we should add such: <br />
* When the first printing was in a magazine? <br />
* When the first printing in a certain country was in a magazine? <br />
* For ANY printing in a magazine? <br />
* Do we include SF stories that have ONLY appeared in non-genre magazines (so far)? <br />
* If an author is notable enough that we're including their non-genre books, do we include their non-genre shortfiction in non-genre magazines?<br />
* When we spot stories by SF authors in such a magazine, do we include them "just in case" or leave them out? [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:20, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:I would say that an editor may choose to create stub entries for any of the above, but it is more important when the first or only printing (or first or only printing in the English language, since the ISFDB is English-language-centered) is in a non-genre publication. <br />
:As to non-genre short-fiction, i would tend to leave it out for now, but that is really a separate discussion, and i don't presume to settle that question now.<br />
:As to stories by known SF authors, when the editor doesn't have the actual story at hand, and must guess as to whether it is SF or not, that would be a judgment call, IMO. If it were me, i would tend to do additional research and see if i could find some other reference (an anthology, a lotus listing, or whatever) to indicate tha tit was SF before listing it, unless the author involved was pretty well known to write nothing but SF, or the title suggested that it was SF, or perhaps suggested that it was part of a known SF series, or something of the sort. failing that I wouldn't list, but I don't want to state that as a rule. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 22:57, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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"Required data" - all the example dates are day, month, year: I've bowed to American format and allowed month, day, year for Saturday Evening Post entries for example. Do we want them regularized in general, or for each magazine, or do we not care? (Personally I vote for "not care" - these are only stubs and the CONTENT is important, DATE of the publication is important, date FORMAT in a title is not.) [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:20, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Standardizing within a given magazine is IMO a '''Good Thing''', beyond that i don't think it is vital. I'll mention other date formats. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 22:57, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:: It's purely cosmetic. One thing I do want to avoid though is the need to create individual Wiki pages for each magazine to state the rules for such - I think the "look at other editions for formatting advice" you give is a good guideline though. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]]<br />
:::Largely cosmetic, but not quite purely. If you know the format used, and it has been used consistantly, doing a search for a specific issue is easier and more reliable (that is, no result really means no such issue on file.) But I agree it isn;t vital, and if anyoen really wants to do clenup afterwards to enforce consistancy it is easy enough to do, there is no need for the editor who does inital entry to feel constrained by hard and fast rules on this point. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 20:51, 20 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::: That's the main thing for me - keep this simple or it will put people off. We've already gone from one simple submission, to maybe needing two (if Editor Series have become desirable). Even creating the Non-Genre Magazine index has meant there may be three edits needed, if it's a new one: and then we've gone from ISFDB-editing to Wiki-editing (and you know how many editors are currently frustrating us by not even finding their own talk-page!). If we're not going to standardize all dates though, I doubt anybody will remember exactly how each magazine title is formatted: and as I don't want us to create Wiki pages for each non-genre magazine to record such, my original 'title, abbreviated month, year' in separate fields is still likely to be my preferred search. (Or is anyone thinking of entering Months numerically for any particular title?) [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:39, 20 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::I don't disagree that things need to be as simple as possible. Note that editor-series, if though valuable, can be done afterwards by anyone who thinks they are valuable, there is no need to require the editor who does the initial entry to do them. The same is true of editing wiki pages. As for date format, I'll standardize them if people want that, and write a standard into the help page, but I was trying not to be overly prescriptive in leaving that a bit looser. Mind you, if we did create such wiki pages they should be short and quick to create, and once created should need little maintenance -- if someone else thinks it worth the effort I don't see why you would complain. I don't plan to create such pages at this time, however. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 22:13, 20 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
"date of the issue (or issues, in the case of a serial) " confuses me too. I don't think we should discourage entry of a single episode if that's all that we know about. There's no guarantee that a serial completed even in a genre magazine. I think at this point that we should also mention that if we HAVEN'T found a precise edtion of a magazine, notes on the title record will do just fine in the meantime - there's no good reason to make a monthly or weekly or even daily title look like an annual if all we have is a year.[[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:20, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:I intended that line to cover cases where a serial is know to have been printed in multiple issues, and the dated of each issue are known. i will cover the other possibilities better. i agree with you when a reasonably accurate issue date is not known, leave it to a title note. I will mention title notes in general better. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 22:57, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
"If there is no information about a variant title, you may assume that the title was not changed." I think this is too dangerous an assumption. Many references don't state that it was published under a different title in ISFDB terms (lacked or added a leading "The" for example). I think the default should be "assumed the same, but not proven" until we get a primary check. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:20, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:What i meant was, in the absence of evidence, enter the title in the known later form, but obviously this can be changed when and if evidence is found. I didn't mean to imply that was good enough to verify on. I think we are in agreement on this, just a question of how to say it for clarity. I'll reword. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 22:57, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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"Steps to take" - if we've done it right with the "Editors of..." stuff, then there's no need to go to ADVANCED search at all unless there's going to be a LOT of results and you want a smaller results page. Some existing data is also missing the EDITOR record so I wouldn't recommend restricting the search by that yet. If we do find there's enough data to want to narrow it down, I find title, month (abbreviated), year in the three separate fields of the "ISFDB Publication Search Form" best - that avoids any problems where the title format is vague. And these are only stubs - we have to be allowed to be a bit vague. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:20, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:I '''DO''' want to allow for stubs to be entered with the actual editor's name when known, and not all such will be marked as pesuds of "the editors of" since that is a separate step that may be missed. Besides, I would send people to advanced search anyway to avoid the 100-entry limit, we're already over thirty on the SEP<br />
Editor Field - either we stick with "Editors of MAGAZINE NAME" (and we probably need to standardize Magazine name a bit - e.g. I've no idea when Collier's was "Weekly" or "Magazine") or we have problems. Pseudonyms are currently controversial - they work well as pseudonyms of "Editors of MAGAZINE NAME" but creating such makes "promotion" of such editors to full ISFDB "Author" a major pain. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:20, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Then I will remove the recommendation to make such entries pesuds, but I think that if the actual editor's name is known, it is perverse not to enter it.<br />
:: I'm not recommending NOT entering such at all, but if it's an insignificant detail then a note for the relevant issue is enough, IMO. When it's someone like {{A|Alice K. Turner}} then it's not insignificant. If people are against pseudonyms (and I can see why) then we can either leave notes or credit the Editor in the database field, in which case we've lost all the simplicity of entering these: the original suggestions meant you could create these stubs in ONE sunmission. As soon as you start adding inconsistencies then it means more work - e.g. varying the Editor (which breaks simple search for "Editors of...") means that to keep all the publications together you have to go along the lines of swfritter's Editor Series. Which means a second edit pass and second approval at a minimum. The more work we make, the less likely people are to do it: this is also why I demonstrated that for small runs of magazines, with consistent editors, it's easy to add one link to the set without doing all that work. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 20:26, 20 August 2008 (UTC) <br />
:::My feeling is that a) we can't be sure that we know who is "significant" or not, it might well be that a change of editor will correlate with a change in the frquency of SF content, and b) really any editor is significant. IMO the only reason to use an "editors of" entry is when we don't know and can't easily find the actual editor's name. When i make such entreis I plan to dop a little research, at least a google search and an OCLC searc. if either yields an actual editor's name i would of course use that instead of "editors of".-[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 20:46, 20 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::: Then I'll leave you to do the Editor Series work. (And I think we should probably stress that people '''enter the data anyway''', the people that CARE about such can fix it up later - if this help page ends up with too many rules then I want it separated into "How to Enter" for normal editors and "How to Arrange" for the zealots.) To me, almost all Editors are '''IN'''significant. Really. Even Campbell or Gernsback. ('''"SACRILEGE!!"''', I know). The Editors I have been known to look for are Damon Knight and John Carnell - but currently ISFDB isn't even properly set up to search for all real Editors whose taste in selected works is something I share. I'd search for "Angus Wells" if it did but Editors of Single-Author Collections don't get credited. I'd much rather that was sorted than add every J. Random Bloke that ever edited a non-genre magazine to our Author directory. We're already having to deal with multiple authors with the same name, I'd like to minimise the risk of more collisions between Good SF Bloke and nonentity with same name. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 22:30, 20 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::As for the issue with searching, i frankly don't see it as a major issue. Instead of searching on "Editors of Playboy" one can just do a title search on "Playboy", or an advanced title search on "Title=Playboy" and "titletype=Editor". The latter finds all the same records, plus at least one that already exists using a real editor's name (the above mentioned {{A|Alice K. Turner}}). (Indeed several of the playboy editors may have been significant -- i have read comments in author's intros to stories about various SF authors having ongoing relationships with such editors.) -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 20:46, 20 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::: The simple search for title Playboy gives 57 results, none of them of type Magazine. Yes, WE know we have to look for the EDITOR records among them, but many of our casual users don't. (Seriously, go show ISFDB to someone that's never seen it before but likes SF - the "Simple" searches are anything but that to them, the results are so polluted with things they never wanted to see it really does put people off - but I know that's something Al will have to attend to, we won't fix that here.) Advanced search does mostly give us what we want, but 1) there are still a LOT of missing Editor records (I had to fix half a dozen just to do the few non-genre mags we've just covered) and 2) if we've put people off with a bad Simple search there's no way we're going to get them to try Advanced. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 22:30, 20 August 2008 (UTC) <br />
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:::::In the words of one Web programmer who looked at the ISFDB earlier this year, "Do you really expect casual users to be able to use this, um, interface?"... [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 23:19, 20 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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"In the year field enter the date of publication in YYYY-MM-DD format as closely as it is known" - this again is where we should consider title notes instead. There's no point creating a "Playboy 1962-00-00" record just because you haven't pinned down which of a dozen it is. Nor a "Saturday Evening Post 1962-02-00" record if you can't pin it down to one of the four (or was it five that year?). If it's not accurate enough, title notes are the way to go. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:20, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:I was thinking more of magazines that were only quarterly, If the issue was "1892 Spring" i would put the date as 1892-00-00. Similarly a monthly or bimonthly would not have the day, and might not have the year, filled in. I will clarify a bit. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 22:57, 19 August 2008 (UTC) <br />
Publisher - I don't want too many new publishers, leave blank if it's not someone publishing SF. Or at least keep it consistent. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:20, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Consistent yes. I don't think most of these mags had all that many publishers, and in most cases people working form secondary sources will leave this blank anyway. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 22:57, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
Page count - approximations are enough for me.<br />
Format - I'm not bothered, just don't invent any more new ones please. I've left dimensions in notes when I found them. "Digest", "Pulp", "Bedsheet" are STILL so poorly defined here that I wouldn't use them anyway. (Someone go fix the regular help please?) [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:20, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:OK I'll suggest leaving this field blank. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 22:57, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
Notes - Ah, this is one of the big philosophical differences. Yes, if you think you have a good authoritative source, mention it. If you're creating a Frankenpub from multiple sources, as I occasionally do, I prefer NOT to reveal my sources as I want them investigated. Quoting sources for such may stop people investigating further and from challenging entries. Even an "Information sourced from Ebay auction" comment seems to make people think "that's good enough for me". (And in this case, [http://www.philsp.com/homeville/FMI/0start.htm#TOC The FictionMags Index] does have a LOT of such.) [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:20, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:I strongly dosage. I want to know what sources a person used so i know where not to waste time and where else might be worth looking, or on the other hand where to check if an entry seems odd. Indeed if I were the ISFDB dictator, i might be inclined to say "make no entry at all without a noted source". But I'm not, still i want to encourage listing the sources used. Still we can discuss the matter. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 22:57, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:: It's precisely BECAUSE people want to "know where not to waste time" that I avoid such notes - as I don't think a double-check is ever wasted. (Treble might be, quadruple, quintuple ones, yes... but I'm still waiting for multiple verifier support. I might stop checking everything when I see two or three careful verifiers have put their names to something.) And I don't mean just go check I transcribed it right, I mean RESEARCH it by the best means you know how. (Any good sources I find are mentioned in ISFDB, just not at publication level.) It's probably not worth a big discussion - we've had those before, and you're not the only person telling me I should quote sources, but I think my slightly maverick attitude helps in the long run. If '''I''' don't quote sources, it means someone that thinks sources are essential '''will''' double-check it. Of course, someone could just delete the 80% of data here that doesn't have a source credited and start over again: but if so I'd rather they do it with our data on another site. Al might get a bit annoyed that so much of his original typing was wasted, too. -[[User:BLongley|BLongley]] <br />
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:::I am not proposing to delete unsourced data, but like anthologies without page numbers, I would hope it becomes rarer over time. You may be right about lack of sources inducing people to double check, but it is still a bit unfair IMO, people should be able to decide if they want to spend time double-checking you, or single-checking stuff that no one has really vetted at all. As for myself, if I see something that looks odd, I am I think at least as likely to check it if I see a source listed, perhaps by trying a different source, to see if they agree. If no one ever records sources, who will we know when something has in fact been quadruple-checked, and avoid quintuple checks. Well I've made my point, and I probably won't convince you. But I think it it is a good idea for this help page in particular to recommend recording sources, as this sort of data is even more likely than most to be built on secondary sources, and recording them may help us get a better handle on where our info is coming from, and may induce some people to do a bit more research when creating an entry. Frankly, i suspect that many if not most of the "non-genre magazine" entries will come, not from general checklist such as we might have in the "sources" page, but from "acknowledgments" or "history" sections of reprint anthologies. I could be wrong. If people actually record their sources we might find out. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 21:35, 20 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::: Oh, don't let me discourage YOU from adding sources: I just think with current ISFDB software a mixture of those editors that don't add sources and those that do is probably healthier all round in the meantime and encourages multiple checks. If I didn't research as much as I do I'd probably be adding far more notes AGAINST current entries: which might be another useful indication, e.g. if I spot an Ace publication with an ISBN starting "07221" I immediately know that can't be right: I could add a reference to the publisher page that points out which publisher DOES use that prefix, and it isn't Ace: or I could just remove the incorrect ISBN: or correct the pub from my other research: or delete it entirely. I make deletion a last resort, but as people won't always go down to pub level notes I prefer to correct rather than note, where possible (I don't want anyone thinking Ace ever published 07221 pubs if they're just looking at a publisher/year summary, for instance). [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 23:35, 20 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::: One thing that MIGHT make me change my practices is if notes were signed, verifiably. I agree over-checking is a waste of resources, and I'd be happy to stop checking a pub from secondary sources if it had, say, been checked by you against [http://www.philsp.com/homeville/FMI/0start.htm#TOC The FictionMags Index] and swfritter had commented that another later magazine said it was a reprint from that exact magazine, and MHutchins mentioned that the original magazine was credited in a Collection. I believe Al is working on Edit Histories that might give me that confidence that Notes were added by the person that the Notes SAY added it (and in the meantime, you might want to add "SIGN your notes" as a guideline). Of course, I'll never be truly satisfied until it's been Primary Verified several times over by people I respect, and I want people to treat my edits with the same paranoia I exhibit towards other people's work. (I see I've recently passed 30,000 edits - I'd guess at least 5,000 of those are correcting myself, 1,000 of the rest are probably still not perfect, and there's 100s where other people gently pointed out where I may gone wrong. I do NOT want to sound "authoritative" in any way - so I WANT a bit of vagueness about the reliability of anything here, before anybody finds out that I am actually a conglomerate of Scientologists sent here to establish a reliable reputation before we reveal the fact that L. Ron Hubbard wrote all Speculative Fiction, ever, and we WILL shortly submit and approve the Variant Authors when you're all asleep. ;-) [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 23:35, 20 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::::Well, as Bill said, you are not the only one pointing out that recording one's sources is a Good Idea for numerous reasons. For starters, an unsourced FrankenPub can be misleading since it doesn't warn casual users where the data comes from and that it may not be reliable due to possible conflation of multiple publications -- see examples below. Moreover, even if Bill returns to the pub later on, he (not to mention other editors) will probably have to re-do all the legwork since he won't remember what sources he may have checked. Finally, based on prior experience with unsourced publications, the Frankenpubs will be eventually reviewed and re-checked by other editors, who will confirm and source some of the data elements and move the rest of them to Notes with a comment along the lines of "Original ISFDB record stated that the publication date was 1923-00-00, but the source of this information is unknown". Doesn't look like a productive way to approach things, but it's been my experience that many otherwise sane contributors occasionally disagree with me (!) on what appear to be clearcut issues. Probably something in the water... [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 23:19, 20 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::::: (Is this a Trialog now? Not sure of the term...) Anyway, yes, casual users aren't warned about where the data came from but that is a problem that has existed since ISFDB1. Verification adds another level of possible reliability, but still isn't guaranteed (see all the questions about "your verified pub" on active editor's talk pages), and people can look at a pub and ask themselves "it's not verified - should I trust it?" or "it's Tuck-verified, good enough for me" or "primary-verified - well, I'm still not sure, but I know who to ask now". I could add a lot of "Amazon says this was actually published under the name Enid Blyton" notes and that wouldn't improve our data at all. I'm not adding random data - anything I do add that isn't primary is researched to a level that has convinced ME, currently, that such a publication exists with that data. If I do come back and think it looks wrong based on what I know now, I'm happy to research it again, unbiased by prior notes. Re-doing the legwork is not a problem in my eyes, it probably SHOULD be done every so often until enough people stamp their approval on it. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 01:11, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::: I'll give away an example of the sort of things I do add. "First British publication" entries based on credits in a later British paperback edition. ISFDB lacks a LOT of such pubs for titles where we have only the US versions. I usually don't credit them as "First British publication" as there's often some weasel-phrases involved and "First Published in Great Britain by Sphere in 1974" may actually mean that's the year that Sphere first published it here, NOT that it was the first British publication. But it's a probable genuine publication we don't have here, and so I'll add it, after checking that Amazon/Alibris/Abebooks/Ebay or such have it and some sellers give similar date details, and I'll probably get an ISBN out of such searches too. It's a good starting point, but next year it might not be for sale anywhere and I'd start again. Why don't I just state what it says in the pub I started from? It's because you can't handle the truth until you all understand British printing practices. (I have multiple editions of the same title that swear it was originally published by Panther: or Granada: or Grafton: they're all right in a way.) Adding items that demand further research is fine by me, at least I've pointed you all at something that NEEDS more research. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 01:11, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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The exceptions (for me) are entries from some sources that people think are good but I'm yet to be convinced of - so I'll quote OCLC if that's all I used. But if I found a pub on "Read It, Swap It" and somebody on Alibris wants to sell it to me, and Amazon admit it exists but assure me it's by HarperCollins even though the pub existed years before HarperCollins was formed, and there's a cover-scan on somebody's personal site that we can't use, but seems to prove there was a Panther edition, even if Panther was just an imprint of Granada by then, I'm not going to quote sources. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:20, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:In that kind of case i might say something like "Data combined from various online vendors, no one of which seems fully reliable". The notes I really want are "Data from 'acknowledgments' section of ''Best Vampire Stores'' edited by Elwood and Greenburg" (to make up an example). -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 22:57, 19 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:: I do add some notes about sources in a roundabout way - e.g. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?FNDTNDWDRP1990 here] is information about 36 different printings, recorded in the source. The page for that title is long enough already that I didn't use it to create all 36 though, just the ones I could verify. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:20, 20 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Other Comments ==<br />
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*Do not enter a cover artist, nor a cover image URL. Leave both fields blank.<br />
I'm curious about the above limitation. Could we extend this and allow 'genre' covers and cover artists to be listed? (i.e. the Cover is for the SF work being added)<br />
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You may also want a line about crediting interior artwork (When its associated with the SF work.<br />
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:Interior art is mentioned in the fifth step of [http://208.100.59.10/wiki/index.php/Help:Entering_non-genre_magazines#Steps_to_take this section]. I see your point about the cover art of the magazine. I agree that if the cover illustrates the spec-fic that's indexed, it and its artist should be credited. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 01:35, 20 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Fair enough, i will qualify this. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 01:50, 20 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:::Agreed. Bonestell for example did covers for [http://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/C/Colliers_space.html Colliers] which are worth recording I'd think. The articles and pictures became [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?103314 The Conquest of Space] which we have a stub entry for already. [[User:Dcarson|Dana Carson]] 03:58, 20 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Going forward ==<br />
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I think that I have incorporated all the comments made to date in the current version of the help page, and that it is reasonably complete, if not correct. Please review it and make further comments, as needed, so that we can come to a consensus on this issue. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 18:51, 20 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:You might consider adding in Step Seven that if the editor is familiar with merging that they search the author's summary page to determine if a previous title record exists, and if so, merge it with the newly created record. (I believe a title merge to be of immensely more importance than merging pub records into an editor series.) Other than that, this help page is in good enough shape to be considered part of the Help Pages. Good job, David. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 00:10, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:: Good point, Mike: I originally came at this with the view that we were trying to record original publication dates with a covering Magazine title: and so a title merge was obviously going to be the next step. Now people mention later publications, unreliability of original publication titles, making all magazines nicely standardized, etc, we may have lost sight of this. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 01:23, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::I will add that. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 15:45, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Done. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 20:46, 23 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Further Comments ==<br />
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*In What are non-genre Magazines, the last two sentences "General newspapers, such as the New York Times and the London Times have occasionally published SF. Any issues containing works of speculative fiction can also be entered in the same way as a non-genre magazine." should be combined to read "General newspapers, such as the New York Times and the London Times have occasionally published SF and any issues containing works of speculative fiction can also be entered in the same way as a non-genre magazine."<br />
**If you want to change it, you may, and I won't revert. i think the two sentance version is better writing, but that is a matter of taste and/or judgement. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 15:58, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
*In "Why...." second paragraph, "It is never required...." should be changed to "It is not currently required...." or "It is not always required...." or even better... "It is not always necessary...." ''Never'' is such a strict word. (''Required'' is too.)<br />
*:I agree, siding with "It is not always necessary..." Much more user friendly. <br />
[[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 00:36, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
*::I was trying to be friendly, to imply "you don't have to do this if you don't choose to." I will reword. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 15:58, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
*In "Required Data": "The name(s) of the author(s) credited in the initial publication." is flat wrong. We would (and mention a few lines later) gladly take the canonical name of the author, if that is all that is available. Perhaps a better first sentence would be "The name(s) of the author(s) as credited in the initial publication, or if unknown then the name of the author as shown in a secondary source." - This line needs more work... I don't like what i just wrote either.<br />
*:Actually, author credit should be the name of the author EXACTLY as credited in THIS non-genre publication. We can worry about merging and creating variants if this happens to be a non-canonical title. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 00:36, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
*:::That is more or less what I was trying to say. Beter wording welcomed. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 15:58, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
*::What I meant here is that secondary sources don't always list the pseudonym, if any were used. By '''Requiring''' it you exclude secondary data... which you accept later in the same paragraph. The paragraph contradicts itself.[[User:Kpulliam|Kevin]] 02:11, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
*:::I'll clarify this. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 15:58, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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*In "Steps to take", "In the "year" field...." I think we need more definition on the quirks of periodical dating. Some obvious dating problems (that a predefined conversion would solve:<br />
**Mid-MONTH should be entered as YEAR-MM-15<br />
**:Really? I would have entered it as YEAR-MM-00, I would never put a day in unles a specific day was known with precisiuon, normally only for a dalily pub or a weekly one with a known day of issue. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 15:58, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
**::There are 13-14 years of Analog and Asimovs with Mid-MONTH issues. I just spot checked a few. As you said, none of the ones I spot checked had a day to indicate it was published AFTER the MONTH issue (but then several of them didn't even have a MONTH entered even though the month was in the title). Is it '''really''' more accurate to imply simultaneous same day publication of 2 issues, as to imply a separation of some weeks between the issues? (This may need to be a separate discussion)[[User:Kpulliam|Kevin]] 00:13, 23 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
**:::As I understand it, YYYY-MM-00 does '''not''' imply simultaneous publication with another pub also marked YYYY-MM-00. What it says is, this was published soemtime during the specified moth, we don't know when. Indeed when i find a '''book''' with a non-zero day specified, i normally convert it to 00 as a matter of course, unless there is a note justifing the specific day, or unless the publication has been primary verified, on the assumptuion that the day is invalid, quite probably from amazon. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 20:55, 23 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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**MONTH_XX-MONTH_XX+1 should be entered as YEAR-XX-00 (Use the first of two months listed)<br />
**:I see. i would probaly have listed it as YEAR-00-00. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 15:58, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
***Unless it's DEC-JAN and the year of publication matches JAN, then use YEAR-01-00<br />
**Is Winter at the end of the year or the beginning? Should WINTER 77 be entered as an early '77 date, or a late 77 date?<br />
**:Ah. I would have entered it as simply YRAR-00-00. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 15:58, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
***Season Month = Month Season Begins? (Or the reverse SEASON=Month Season Ends) - Barring other evidence, where FALL is in Year XX and Winter is published in YEAR XX+1.<br />
****[[Help:Screen:EditPub]] says to use YYYY-00-00 for a magazine issue with an issue date of "Fall" or other quarterly season. That seems sensible to me. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 20:47, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
**Others: BONUS, EXTRA, 'Holiday', etc. What to do if a supernumary issue falls is issued on the same day as a regular issue. (This one will be exceedingly rare to even occur and to '''ALSO''' have SF in it. Feel free to ignore this one, just postulating.<br />
***Just being silly on this one... what about those poor periodicals issued prior to 1751, where Jan 1-March 24 were part of the preceeding year by current standards... should the editors be concerned about that. (Seriously - I'm just kidding; of '''course''' we should record the ''printed date'' - Now where did I leave those copies of the Transcripts of the Proceedings of the Royal Societey.. Oh wait.. they weren't fiction - Did they 'ever' publish fiction. What IS the oldest periodical to include fiction. Newspapers have been doing it for centuries....)<br />
**Issue no. and year (no month) enter as YEAR-01-IssueNumber (This puts multiples in order) or enter it as YEAR-XX-00 through No 12. All others get entered as YEAR-12-XX?<br />
***I strongly oppose overloading the day field with issue numbers. in fact, i won't do that nor write text advising it. if that is the consensus, i won't enter such magazines. The overloading of the day with printing number was a failure, and I think this would only be worse. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 15:58, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
*In "Steps to take", "If the accurate page count (including front and back covers)" Do we really want to do this? I thought page counts excluded from and back covers. (I could be wrong, will go read the help) - Yep. I'm wrong. the instructions say use front and back covers.... BUT I believe the early astoundings and other magazines entered from secondary sources often/usually left off the covers. Something for me to go research some then)... moving on...<br />
*In "Steps to take", "If a novel-length work published in a single issue is being entered, add "(Complete Novel)" to the title, and use a type of "SERIAL"." needs an admonishing that just because the magazine calls it a 'Complete Novel' we don't. And then a link to the right help file describing that fact. <br />
::Good point, I agree this caveat should be added to this section. <br />
[[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 00:36, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Will do. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 15:58, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
*In "Steps to take", "Leave the date field blank." Why? Per previous instructions this will most likely be the first or only publication in a periodical. We have already determined ''some'' date, and it's likely an original publication. We should instruct them to duplicate the issue date unless they have a reason not to. (Or maybe I don't understand what's supposed to go here - Feel fee to throw the clue stick at me.)<br />
::The system automatically fills in blank content dates with the date of the publication as entered in its DATE field, so entering the date again for each of the content entries is superfluous. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 00:36, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Exactly. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 15:58, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::Then (As I surmised) I just didn't understand how it was working. [[User:Kpulliam|Kevin]] 00:16, 23 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
*In "Serials". "Do not assume that a serial started in one issue must have been continued in the next. There are cases where a serialization was started but never completed." - Are there really? And the next issue was published? I personally thought that the only time this happened was when a magazine went under, or didn't go to print due to war/paper/money shortages for some several months. (But I'm often wrong - I'm just questioning the need for this. Even if it didn't get published... we would want to document that with an 8888 date wouldn't we?)<br />
::Yes it happens (see the magazines edited by William F. Crawford, who stranded at least three serials.) But these were cases where the magazines died in mid-serial, as you point out. I think David (or the person who wrote that section) was merely pointing out a fact of the publishing business: don't assume anything! <br />
[[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 00:36, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Indeed soewmone else (bill?) pointed it out to me above, which is why i wrote it in. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 15:58, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
*In "Editor Pseudonyms" how about if the Editor is known, have them add both the known editor and the Editors Of. No Pseudonym problems, and this solution is upgradeable while preserving all information, and making list link (to Editor Series) wok prior to the upgrade. (besides, few editors worked in a vacuum... they must have had lackeys or henchmen)<br />
**We need more discussion on this issue, i think. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 20:49, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
*"The Alternative" should be moved to "Why one should Enter"... why make someone read to the bottom... if they were going to give up and move on.. they did it LONG before they found out about the alternative.<br />
::Good point, but if someone didn't want to know "how to enter non-genre magazines", they wouldn't have come to this page to start with. :) Putting the alternative at the end is like saying "OK, we know this may be more complicated and too much information than you expected, so here's the last resort." And if you re-read the second paragraph of the second question it states "A note in the title record for the work is an acceptable alternate way of recording the information." If anyone reads further, it's because they intend to sail the dangerous seas of non-genre magazine entry. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 00:36, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::That was more or less my thought, and don't forget there is a ToC right at the start. But if you want it moved, we can move it. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 15:58, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::I added a more explicit reference and an inter-page link at the top. i think the subject logically belongs at the bottom, but will move it if others still wish. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 20:49, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Sorry there was so much... the page as is, is great... these are just the things I thought of... many (most?) of them can be ignored. [[User:Kpulliam|Kevin]] 00:05, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:No need to apologize. We need as much feedback as we can get. This is a collaborative effort and nobody is too full of himself to think that someone else's opinion doesn't matter. If they did, they wouldn't hang around very long! [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 00:36, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
::I am very glad to get any and all commentes, even or especially if ZI don't agree with them. I will soon make at least some changes based on the above comments. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 15:58, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Date format in title is important ==<br />
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We have a standard and basically a very simple one. Why not stick to it since it does not take any great effort to do so? We should also have a system standard for periodicals which have a day of publication. I use ''Magname, August 21, 2008'' but there are other possibilities. The only thing that needs elaboration on is oddball date formats and date formats for publication types, such as newspapers, for which no current standard applies. There are a lot of fields that it is totally unnecessary to enter data into but if data is entered in these fields it should be according to standards. My own inclination would be to discourage entry in these fields but if someone wants to enter the data it should be done right. The stories are the critical data but that does not mean the standards should be totally discarded for the pub fields.--[[User:Swfritter|swfritter]] 16:40, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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: While I disagree totally about the importance, I agree there should be a standard. ONE standard, that we can document on "Help:Entering non-genre magazines", certainly not per magazine. I'm not too bothered whether that's "stick to the same format as existing magazine entries" or "exactly as stated on the magazine" or "regularized in the same way as Genre magazines". [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 19:20, 21 August 2008 (UTC) <br />
: But that's not as simple as you suggest, except for monthly titles, so that help could be improved. Yes, we need a rule for days in dates, but you also need to clarify the "Missing or variant dates" section. Does the "the form given on the magazine" rule for bimonthly or quarterly magazines ''totally'' override the "Month in full, then Year in full" bit? E.g. If a pub says: "'60, Jun/Jul issue" do we record that exactly or change it to "June-July, 1960"? The hyphenation rule immediately afterwards suggests we override part of the "the form given on the magazine" rule but doesn't make it clear if we also apply the month and year "in full" bits. The examples could also be improved - "Interzone, Fall 1979" doesn't exist. The magazine didn't even get created till 1982 and as a British magazine, there were no "Fall" issues, but some "Autumn" ones. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 19:20, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
::I have revised this a bit, is it sufficient now, or do we need a stricter or celarer standard? -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 20:50, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
::: It's the normal magazine date help that I'm questioning, and I'm without enough examples to see what is actually done in practice. Titles like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?136836 Century] may be following a standardisation rule that isn't made clear, or may be in error. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?INTRTXTJANFEB1994 Intertext] looks particularly confusing. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:05, 21 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::The [http://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:EditPub Help] for this subject matter is totally unambiguous. I would suggest that the Help for non-genre magazines refer the user to the EditPub Help rather than trying to create a separate standard. The only specific date issues that need to be addressed in non-genre Help are for issues that are only likely to occur in non-genre pubs - newspapers come immediately to mind. I noticed that in the examples the months are not spelled out completely. I will fix them.--[[User:Swfritter|swfritter]] 16:20, 22 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::I can do that if othes agree. Any further comments by anyone? -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 16:24, 22 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::: I am frankly ASTOUNDED that anyone can state the EditPub help is currently "totally unambiguous", it's completely the opposite to me. But if it's fixed satisfactorily then I'm happy to use it and keep consistency. May I suggest an advanced Pub search for "Science Fiction Weekly" though? That seems to be a Genre magazine with consistency problems, that will cover some of the problems that will occur more often in non-Genre ones. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 19:02, 22 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Editor names ==<br />
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First of all, i think I have addressed all the comments above in the help with the exception of the issue with editor names. In some cases i may not have addressed them sufficiently, or people may not agree with my wording, but I think we have something close to a consensus. On Editor names, I think there is clear disagreement. Let me state what the various positions are, as I understand them, and see if we can come to an agreement. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 15:57, 22 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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This is about what test to put in the "editor" field when creating or editing an entry for a non-genre magazine. The choices suggested are:<br />
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#Always use "The Editors of Mag Name".<br />
#*This has some advantages:<br />
#**A search on the "name" will always return all the issues (if they have been properly created). <br />
#**As few new records as possible will be created. <br />
#**There will be no need to do research into who the editor was for any particular issue. <br />
#**There will be no chance of such a name duplicating that of a real author of SF (or editor or artist).<br />
#*Disadvantages (and responses): <br />
#**This means, in some cases, discarding accurate information of unknown significance.<br />
#**In most cases, a title search on "Mag Name" will return the same issues, including ones incorrectly created. Editor series can also be used.<br />
#**Patterns may appear in which editors published more SF.<br />
#**If an editor turns out to be a significant person in SF history, the data has already been gathered.<br />
#Use "The Editors of Mag Name" '''unless''' the editor's name is known, '''and''' the editor is in some way a person significant to the history of SF.<br />
#*This has most of the advantages and disadvantages of #1, except:<br />
#**Occasionally, searches on "The Editors of Mag Name" will be incomplete. Publication series will be needed to insure that a quick, correct, and complete search can be done. <br />
#**There is now some pressure to do research into who the actual editor of an issue was, in case it was a "significant person".<br />
#*This has the additional disadvantage that it opens up the question of who is a "significant person", which might become heated, and can't possible be cleanly resolved in all cases.<br />
#Use the name of the actual editor if reliably known, otherwise use "The Editors of Mag Name".<br />
#*This has the following advantages.<br />
#**Known data will not be discarded.<br />
#**Editors who were more accepting of SF may become known.<br />
#**Then ISFDB may be somewhat more useful as a research tool.<br />
#**Individual editors can choose whether or not to spend time researching issue editors.<br />
#**If an editor is a "significant person", data showing this will eventually be available.<br />
#*Disadvantages:<br />
#**Searches are not as clear as in #1, and publication series may be desired.<br />
#**Some people will feel pressure to research editor names, statements in the help to the contrary notwithstanding.<br />
#**Some editor names may be identical to names of actual SF authors, artists, or editors, requiring disambiguation, which may not always be done correctly.<br />
#Use the name of the actual editor if reliably known, otherwise use "The Editors of Mag Name", '''but''' if an editor name is used, make it a pseudonym of "The Editors of Mag Name".<br />
#*This has the advantages and disadvantages of #3, except:<br />
#**Searches will be as clean as in case 1.<br />
#**If an editor does turn out to be a "significant person", in particular if s/he turns out also to be an author (artist, editor) of SF, we will be stuck with a misleading and hard-to-get-rid-of pseudonym relationship.<br />
#Use the name of the actual editor if reliably known, otherwise use "The Editors of Mag Name", '''but''' if an editor name is used, make it a co-editor with "The Editors of Mag Name".<br />
#*This has the advantages and disadvantages of #3, except:<br />
#**Searches will be as clean as in case 1.<br />
#**The formulation may seem misleading or odd, but can be explained as our convention.<br />
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Personally I am inclined to favor either case 3 or case 5. I think Bill has been supporting case 1. Let's see if we can come to some consensus on the matter, so that the help can clearly indicate the preferred procedure. Let us remember that in the majority of instances, the actual editor's name will '''not''' be known unless someone visits an archival library where actual issues can be checked, or in some other way does a primary verification. This will probably be a rare event. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 15:57, 22 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:My own inclination is case 1. Any information about editors can be put in the notes.--[[User:Swfritter|swfritter]] 16:07, 22 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:: My own inclination is 1, but I am happy to start with that and let (other) people move it to 5 if some people think the non-genre editors really need to be searchable. I don't think anyone is proposing that data be discarded, as swfritter says it can always be recorded in notes (and I have done so the one time I encountered such). I have tried 4 and if people will EVER be wanting to promote to significance it is not recommended, it's far too much work to undo. I've also tried creating Series and found the extra work far outweighed the benefits (indeed I found NO benefits in most cases). [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 18:49, 22 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::By "start with 1 and permit other people to move to 5" do you mean that it would be all right with you if people chose to enter actual editor names in accord with method 5, as long as you are not expected to do so? I agree with you on the problem with 4. Would you (or anyone) object if I wrote the help to make 1 the standard but 5 a permitted and documented alternative? I do tend to favor 5 myself at this point. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 20:21, 22 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::I like 5. I believe that (over time) images/etexts for all the 'fiction' oriented periodicals will be available through Gutenberg/Google Books/Internet Archive or some similar mechanism, so I don't think it will (over time) be as rare as we might think for the info to be available. It also preserves all data in searchable/usable formats with the software we have today. [[User:Kpulliam|Kevin]] 00:26, 23 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::1 with 5 acceptable is OK. We don't want to discourage editors from entering important data by seeming to require more work than they have the time/resources to do.--[[User:Swfritter|swfritter]] 13:21, 23 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::::I have revised the help to that standard: 1 normal, 5 an optional acceptable altenative. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 20:19, 23 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Magazine titles ==<br />
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Should we use FictionMags as the first common source for determining pre-sf magazine titles? Like the isfdb it is still under construction but is seems now to be quite stable. It has the advantage of being commonly available to everyone. Most of the other sources are books, some of which are fairly expensive and/or rare. Using multiple sources would likely result in a number of inconsistencies.--[[User:Swfritter|swfritter]] 16:41, 22 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:[http://www.philsp.com/index.html Galactic Central]'s Magazine checklists also has relevant useful information, and posibly should be included on our [[Sources of Bibliographic Information]], as perhaps the FictionMags site should be. In particualr the magazine checklist have many cover scans, giving primary evidence of what the cover name, if not the title-page name, of a particular magazine was. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 16:50, 22 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
::That's even better. Help for determining magazine title does allow a little wiggle room for user discretion and a picture is worth a thousand words. Perhaps we should recommend this as the primary source and fictionmags as a secondary source since both are online.--[[User:Swfritter|swfritter]] 16:56, 22 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::The one problem there is that soemtimes a magazine used a shortened or alternative version of its name on the cover, but the full official name on the title page or masthead. How about if we reccomend checking both Galactic Central's Magazine checklists, and the FictionMags site. if they agree, so be it. If not (and they don't agree for All-Story, the covers show "The All-Story" for issues where FictionMags lists "The All-Story Magazine") a check of the LoC and/or OCLC is suggested as a tie-breaker (OCLC lists "All-Story Magazine" for those same issues). How does that procedue sound to you? all are online checks. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 20:28, 22 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Moving on ==<br />
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I think I have now incorporated all the advice given to date into the help page, or at least altered the help page in reaction to it. Are there further issues to consider? Are we ready to declare this help page as definitive as any of our help pages are? Obviously nothing in our help is ever graven in stone, that's why this is a wiki. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 20:58, 23 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:I just did some slight copy-editing, so it appears to be in good enough shape to remove the warning. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 03:00, 24 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Allow me to add that this is the first time in my relatively short time on the ISFDB (since February 2007) that a question was asked ([http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Kpulliam/Archives#Argosy_.28and_similar_Magazines.29.3F August 13, 2008]), was thoroughly discussed and completely resolved in the span of '''TEN DAYS'''. Kudos to David, Bill, and everyone else involved in the creation of this help page, and to Kevin for bringing it up in the first place. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 03:25, 24 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::I just removd the "NotFinal" tag. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 15:58, 26 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Alternate Method ==<br />
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I think the latest statement that "''this method cannot be used if the '''only''' place that an SF work has been published is in a non-genre magazine, collection, or anthology''" is not true. I will gladly teach anyone how to create a stub record in order to add a note concerning its '''only''' publication. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 20:55, 21 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
:So you are saying we could and should create a title record with a publication record that effectively points nowhere in order to index the title and have a place to add the title note? Yes I suppose we could do that. Shall I alter the comment to mention that possibility? -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 22:59, 21 July 2012 (UTC)</div>DESiegel60https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Help:Entering_non-genre_periodicals&diff=280272Help:Entering non-genre periodicals2012-07-21T19:53:29Z<p>DESiegel60: /* The Alternative: Title notes */ sole publication</p>
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==What are non-genre magazines?==<br />
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A non-genre magazine is one that did not specialize in Science Fiction, Fantasy, or Horror, or any other form or forms of speculative fiction, but included much fiction and other content that was not speculative fiction. The early general pulps such as ''Argosy'' and ''All-Story''; the "slick" fiction magazines such as ''The Saturday Evening Post'' and ''Collier's''; children's magazines such as ''Boys' Life''; "men's" magazines such as ''Playboy''; general interest magazines such as ''The Strand'', ''Punch'', and ''Life''; even mostly non-fiction magazines such as ''Scientific American''; all have published SF at one time or another, and all would be considered "non-genre" magazines. General newspapers, such as the ''New York Times'' and the ''London Times'' have occasionally published SF. Any issues of any periodical containing works of speculative fiction can also be entered in the same way as a non-genre magazine. So can anthologies that have some SF content, but contain mostly general fiction. For the rest of this help page, "magazine" should be understood to include any periodical, including newspapers.<br />
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See [[Magazines#General Interest Magazines with SF Content (SF content only)]].<br />
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== Why one should enter non-genre magazines ==<br />
In many cases a work of speculative fiction has been published in a magazine that does not specialize in such works. In particular, many well-known (and many not so well-known) speculative fiction stories were first published in non-genre magazines. In such cases it is desirable to record such publications in order to make the bibliography of the story complete. However, the ISFDB is not a general-fiction index and the non-speculative-fiction contents of such a magazine should not be entered.<br />
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It is in no case essential that an entry for a non-genre magazine be created. A note in the title record for the work is an acceptable alternate way of recording the information. (See [[#The Alternative: Title notes|below]].) But whenever a non-genre magazine (or newspaper, or anthology, much the same principles apply in each case) has in fact published a work of speculative fiction, creating an entry to record this is acceptable. It is particularly desirable when the non-genre magazine is the first or only publication of the work. It is less important if the non-genre publication was a later reprint, particularly if the story has often been reprinted in genre anthologies or collections. But in any case, whether to create such an entry is a matter that any particular editor can decide for him or herself.<br />
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== How to enter non-genre magazines ==<br />
(If you have questions about this process, ask for assistance at the [[ISFDB:Help desk|Help desk]].)<br />
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Often you will be working from a secondary source, for example, a note in an anthology that "This story was first published in the November 1928 issue of ''Argosy''". Very occasionally, you will have an actual copy of the magazine, a facsimile reprint, or a e-reprint. In all of these cases, there are a few key pieces of information that you must have.<br />
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If a secondary source lists the publication of a story by a known author of SF in a non-genre magazine, but does not clearly indicate whether the story is SF or not, creating an entry for it is a judgment call. Additional research, or the locations of other publications of the story, may give a clue as to whether it is SF (and therefore should be included) or not.<br />
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===Required data===<br />
If any of the required data is unknown or is not reliable, do not create a non-genre magazine entry. Instead use a title note. Any additional data is strictly optional, and entries including only the required data are perfectly acceptable.<br />
#The title of the magazine, as accurately as possible. See [[Magazines#General Interest Magazines with SF Content (SF content only)]], to see what forms may already have been used. See [http://www.philsp.com/homeville/FMI/0start.htm The FictionMags Index] and [http://www.philsp.com/index.html Galactic Central]'s Magazine Checklists. If they do not agree, try {{OCLC}} or the {{LOC}} or other sources. See [[Sources of Bibliographic Information]] for more sources.<br />
#The date of the issue (or issues, if you are entering more than one) where the work was published. This may be: <br />
##A day, month, and year ("January 17, 1925")<br />
##A range with two exact dates ("January 10 - 17, 1925")<br />
##A month ("January 1925")<br />
##A range of two months (("January-February 1925")<br />
##A season ("Spring 1925")<br />
##Failing any date, the volume and issue number (or whole issue number) may be used instead<br />
##:If the date is not reliably known with sufficient precision to identify a specific issue, do not create an entry for the magazine. (Unless a specific issue number can be used instead.) Instead record the available data and source in a note on the title record of the story in question. (See [[#The Alternative: Title notes|Below]].) This is always an acceptable alternate procedure. For a quarterly magazine "Spring" may be sufficient; for a weekly magazine a specific week must be known.<br />
#The title of the work, as originally published: note that sometimes early publications were under titles different from those commonly used later. If there is no information about a variant title, you should use the known later title, which may be changed should evidence of a different form turn up.<br />
#The name(s) of the author(s), if possible as credited in the initial publication. Sometimes a different form of the name or a pen name was used for early or non-genre publication. For example, a number of Robert A. Heinlein's early works were published under the name of Anson McDonald. If there is no reliable information about a variant author credit, you should use the canonical name, or the name associated with later publications of the story in question, pending further evidence.<br />
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===Steps to take===<br />
First, search the database to see if we already have an entry for the particular issue you want to enter. It may be that there was a different work of SF in that issue, and another editor has already created an entry for it. Go to "Advanced Search" and enter a key word or phrase from the title of the magazine into the "title" search field. Optionally, you can also enter "EDITOR" into a "title type" search field.<br />
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If you find an entry for the particular issue you wish to enter, go to the section [[#Adding content to an existing entry|''Adding content to an existing entry'']] below. Otherwise, if you find entries for other issues of the same magazine, open at least one of them and take note of the formats used, so that your entry can be consistent.<br />
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Second, from any publication display or the main menu, click "New Magazine" under Editing Tools. <br />
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Third, enter the minimal required meta-data. See [[Help:Screen:NewPub]] for additional details on the various fields.<br />
*Enter the title of the magazine, followed by a comma, and the date or dates of the issue in the "title" field. If the date is not available, use the issue number (which may include a volume number). If other issues of the same magazine are on file, try to use the same form of the name and date format as they used, unless the magazine's actual name changed (For example, ''Argosy'' was ''The Golden Argosy'' early in its history and became ''Argosy-All Story'' after its merger with ''All-Story''). If you are using a date, be sure that the year is specified as a full 4 digits. "The Strand, September '60" could be either 1860 or 1960, for example. <br />
*:The ISFDB standard format for this field is "Magazine Name, Month Day, Year" for dailies or weeklies, "Magazine Name, Month Year" for monthlies, or "Magazine Name, Month1-Month2 Year" for bimonthlies. See [[Help:Screen:EditPub]] for more details. Follow the ISFDB standard insofar as possible. Check other issues of the same magazine for models to follow, if available. If you are not sure exactly how to enter a particular issue, get it in as best as you can, and call attention to the matter at the [[ISFDB:Help desk|Help desk]].<br />
*Enter in the "Editor" field "Editors of MAGAZINE NAME". If the actual editor is known with reasonable certainty, you may '''optionally''' enter the name(s) of the editor(s) as co-editors, but leave "Editors of MAGAZINE NAME" as one of the editors in any case. For the "Editors of" line, get the actual magazine name as correct as possible.<br />
*In the "year" field enter the date of publication in YYYY-MM-DD format as closely as it is known. As usual, leave any unknown fields as all zeros.<br />
*:Note that the date must be known precisely enough to identify a specific issue, or no entry should be created at all, as mentioned above. With a magazine of daily or weekly frequency, a specific day should normally be known. With one of monthly frequency, a specific month should be known. With a bimonthly, normally use the earlier of the two listed months. With a quarterly or annual, it may not be possible to be more precise than the year. Also, if the issue is identified by issue number rather than date, the date may not be known more precisely than the year. The year must in any case be known with reasonable assurance. See [[Help:Screen:EditPub]] -- the section on the Year field -- for the normal ISFDB standards for entering magazine dates.<br />
*If the formal name of the publisher of the magazine is known, enter it in the "publisher" field. Otherwise, leave this field blank. Stay consistent in form with other entries for the same magazine, so as not to create multiple publisher records (except where the actual publisher is known to have changed). If in doubt, leave blank.<br />
*If the accurate page count (including front and back covers) of the magazine is reliably known, enter it here, otherwise leave it blank. Mostly this will be blank unless you are working from a facsimile or original copy. (See [[Help:Screen:EditPub]] if working from an original or facsimile.)<br />
*Leave the "Pub Format" field blank. <br />
*Leave the "Pub Type" field as "MAGAZINE".<br />
*If you know the cover price of the issue, enter it in the price field with a proper currency symbol, otherwise leave it blank. It will usually be blank.<br />
*Do not enter a cover artist, nor a cover image URL. Leave both fields blank. Exception: if the cover art illustrates the SF content, or is by a well known SF artist, enter the credit, and if an image is available, enter the URL (See [[ISFDB:Image linking permissions]].)<br />
*In the "Notes" field enter the source from which your information is derived, and any other relevant information. If you have used multiple sources, mention this. If such sources are somewhat contradictory or seem unreliable, you can use a vague indication ("Based on data from several online vendors"). In particular, the source(s) which lead you to believe that the specific story is contained in the specific issue should be noted. Sources for metadata that are not required anyway are much less important. Also, a note such as "The listing for this non-genre publication is intentionally incomplete, only SF content is listed." is strongly recommended. Please sign your note with your ISFDB User ID, initials, name, or the like so that other ISFDB editors will know who to ask about any doubtful points. A rough date (month and year) in the note is also helpful.<br />
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Fourth, enter the speculative fiction content in the "Content" section. See [[Help:Screen:NewPub#General contents]] for additional details on the various fields.<br />
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*Enter the story title (as originally published) in the title field of a content section. <br />
*Enter the story's author (as originally credited, if known) in the matching author field. <br />
*Leave the "Entry Type" field as "Shortfiction" unless (rarely) the entry is a poem, or is part of a serial, or is a novel-length work published complete in one issue.<br />
**If a serial is being entered, add "(part n of m)" to the title<br />
**If a novel-length work published in a single issue is being entered, add "(Complete Novel)" to the tile, and use a type of "SERIAL".<br />
***Note that early magazines often listed a work as a "Complete Novel" on the cover or in the ToC when by current standards it is a Novella or even a Novelette. Please do not use the "(Complete Novel)" tag unless you have reason to believe that the work counts as a novel by current standards, that is, it consisted of 40,000 words or more. Otherwise just list it as a work of shortfiction. See [[Help:Screen:EditPub]] on the length standards for novel and the various shortfiction lengths.<br />
*Enter the length field (Shortstory, novelette, or novella) if known, otherwise leave it blank. (See [[Help:Screen:EditPub]])<br />
*Leave the page field blank unless the page number where the story started in the magazine is known. If it is known, enter the starting page.<br />
*Leave the date field blank. The software will automatically fill in the date of the magazine from the metadata area (Year field). (Exception: If the story is a reprint and the date of original publication is known, enter the date of original publication. If the story is already in the ISFDB, merging will take care of this, see below.)<br />
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Fifth, in the unusual case that more than one work of speculative fiction was published in the same issue, and you have data for both, enter the 2nd (and any subsequent) stories in the same way as the first.<br />
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Interior art specifically associated with a speculative fiction story may be entered, if the data is available. Otherwise do not enter any interior art. Normally no editorials, letters, or essays will be entered. Reviews of SF works may be entered, but this will be rare. Significant essays specifically connected with SF works may optionally be entered, but this also will be rare.<br />
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Sixth, when all relevant and available data has been entered click "Submit data". The edit will now be reviewed by a moderator and added to the database when approved.<br />
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Seventh, after the edit has been approved, check the author's page (or do a title search) to see if the edit may have created a duplicate entry. If it has, merge the duplicates, or ask for assistance (at the [[ISFDB:Help desk|Help desk]]) to merge them. Instructions on merging duplicates may be found at [[Help: How to merge titles]].<br />
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Eighth, after the edit has been approved, if a series exists for the magazine in question (See [[General Interest Magazines]] for links to several such series), add the title record for your newly created issue to the relevant series. Ask for assistance if needed at the [[ISFDB:Help desk|Help desk]]. This step may be left for another editor, if you find it daunting or onerous.<br />
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== Serials ==<br />
If you know that a story or novel was serialized in a non-genre magazine or periodical, but do not have reliable information sufficient to enter all the issues involved, you may create entries for those issues for which reliable information is available, or you may instead use a title note (see below). Do not create entries for issues for which the required information is not reliably known. Do not assume that a serial started in one issue must have been continued in the next. There are cases where a serialization was started but never completed.<br />
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== Adding content to an existing entry ==<br />
If an entry for a specific issue already exists, and you have data on an additional story published in that issue, display the publication record and click "Edit this Pub"<br />
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Click "Add title" at the end of the "contents" section and add the data for the additional story or stories as described above. Click "Submit data" when the data has been entered, as above.<br />
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== Revised works ==<br />
If it is reliably known that the non-genre publication of a story was significantly different in content (longer, shorter, or simply different), this should be noted in a title note (see below). Optionally, a designation in parentheses may be appended to the title of the work, such as "(condensed)", "(expanded)" "(1938 version)" or whatever will simply but clearly indicate the nature of the difference. If you are in any doubt, discuss the matter on the [[ISFDB:Community Portal|Community Portal]], or ask for assistance on the [[ISFDB:Help desk|Help desk]].<br />
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== Editor Pseudonyms ==<br />
If the actual name of the editor (or editors) of a non-genre magazine is entered (instead of using the "Editors of Magazine Name" format), it may be desirable to make such a name a pseudonym of "Editors of Magazine Name". (see [[Help:How to record a pseudonym]] for the procedure.)<br />
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Alternatively, the actual editor may be listed as a second editor (co-editor) along with "Editors of Magazine Name".<br />
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== The Alternative: Title notes ==<br />
As mentioned above, it is always acceptable to add a mention of a non-genre publication, particularly a first publication, to the notes field of the title ("Bibliography") record of a story (or other work). To do this, display the title record, and click "Title Data" in the "Editing tools" section of the sidebar. Add the information to the notes field and click "Submit Data". <br />
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Of course, this method cannot be used if the '''only''' place that an SF work has been published is in a non-genre magazine, collection, or anthology.<br />
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In many cases, it will be a good idea to create a title note in addition to an entry for a non-genre magazine, rather than instead of such an entry. Having both in the database is perfectly acceptable.</div>DESiegel60https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Help:Entering_non-genre_periodicals&diff=280271Help:Entering non-genre periodicals2012-07-21T19:51:45Z<p>DESiegel60: /* Why one should enter non-genre magazines */ clarify theoretical ambiguity</p>
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==What are non-genre magazines?==<br />
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A non-genre magazine is one that did not specialize in Science Fiction, Fantasy, or Horror, or any other form or forms of speculative fiction, but included much fiction and other content that was not speculative fiction. The early general pulps such as ''Argosy'' and ''All-Story''; the "slick" fiction magazines such as ''The Saturday Evening Post'' and ''Collier's''; children's magazines such as ''Boys' Life''; "men's" magazines such as ''Playboy''; general interest magazines such as ''The Strand'', ''Punch'', and ''Life''; even mostly non-fiction magazines such as ''Scientific American''; all have published SF at one time or another, and all would be considered "non-genre" magazines. General newspapers, such as the ''New York Times'' and the ''London Times'' have occasionally published SF. Any issues of any periodical containing works of speculative fiction can also be entered in the same way as a non-genre magazine. So can anthologies that have some SF content, but contain mostly general fiction. For the rest of this help page, "magazine" should be understood to include any periodical, including newspapers.<br />
<br />
See [[Magazines#General Interest Magazines with SF Content (SF content only)]].<br />
<br />
== Why one should enter non-genre magazines ==<br />
In many cases a work of speculative fiction has been published in a magazine that does not specialize in such works. In particular, many well-known (and many not so well-known) speculative fiction stories were first published in non-genre magazines. In such cases it is desirable to record such publications in order to make the bibliography of the story complete. However, the ISFDB is not a general-fiction index and the non-speculative-fiction contents of such a magazine should not be entered.<br />
<br />
It is in no case essential that an entry for a non-genre magazine be created. A note in the title record for the work is an acceptable alternate way of recording the information. (See [[#The Alternative: Title notes|below]].) But whenever a non-genre magazine (or newspaper, or anthology, much the same principles apply in each case) has in fact published a work of speculative fiction, creating an entry to record this is acceptable. It is particularly desirable when the non-genre magazine is the first or only publication of the work. It is less important if the non-genre publication was a later reprint, particularly if the story has often been reprinted in genre anthologies or collections. But in any case, whether to create such an entry is a matter that any particular editor can decide for him or herself.<br />
<br />
== How to enter non-genre magazines ==<br />
(If you have questions about this process, ask for assistance at the [[ISFDB:Help desk|Help desk]].)<br />
<br />
Often you will be working from a secondary source, for example, a note in an anthology that "This story was first published in the November 1928 issue of ''Argosy''". Very occasionally, you will have an actual copy of the magazine, a facsimile reprint, or a e-reprint. In all of these cases, there are a few key pieces of information that you must have.<br />
<br />
If a secondary source lists the publication of a story by a known author of SF in a non-genre magazine, but does not clearly indicate whether the story is SF or not, creating an entry for it is a judgment call. Additional research, or the locations of other publications of the story, may give a clue as to whether it is SF (and therefore should be included) or not.<br />
<br />
===Required data===<br />
If any of the required data is unknown or is not reliable, do not create a non-genre magazine entry. Instead use a title note. Any additional data is strictly optional, and entries including only the required data are perfectly acceptable.<br />
#The title of the magazine, as accurately as possible. See [[Magazines#General Interest Magazines with SF Content (SF content only)]], to see what forms may already have been used. See [http://www.philsp.com/homeville/FMI/0start.htm The FictionMags Index] and [http://www.philsp.com/index.html Galactic Central]'s Magazine Checklists. If they do not agree, try {{OCLC}} or the {{LOC}} or other sources. See [[Sources of Bibliographic Information]] for more sources.<br />
#The date of the issue (or issues, if you are entering more than one) where the work was published. This may be: <br />
##A day, month, and year ("January 17, 1925")<br />
##A range with two exact dates ("January 10 - 17, 1925")<br />
##A month ("January 1925")<br />
##A range of two months (("January-February 1925")<br />
##A season ("Spring 1925")<br />
##Failing any date, the volume and issue number (or whole issue number) may be used instead<br />
##:If the date is not reliably known with sufficient precision to identify a specific issue, do not create an entry for the magazine. (Unless a specific issue number can be used instead.) Instead record the available data and source in a note on the title record of the story in question. (See [[#The Alternative: Title notes|Below]].) This is always an acceptable alternate procedure. For a quarterly magazine "Spring" may be sufficient; for a weekly magazine a specific week must be known.<br />
#The title of the work, as originally published: note that sometimes early publications were under titles different from those commonly used later. If there is no information about a variant title, you should use the known later title, which may be changed should evidence of a different form turn up.<br />
#The name(s) of the author(s), if possible as credited in the initial publication. Sometimes a different form of the name or a pen name was used for early or non-genre publication. For example, a number of Robert A. Heinlein's early works were published under the name of Anson McDonald. If there is no reliable information about a variant author credit, you should use the canonical name, or the name associated with later publications of the story in question, pending further evidence.<br />
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===Steps to take===<br />
First, search the database to see if we already have an entry for the particular issue you want to enter. It may be that there was a different work of SF in that issue, and another editor has already created an entry for it. Go to "Advanced Search" and enter a key word or phrase from the title of the magazine into the "title" search field. Optionally, you can also enter "EDITOR" into a "title type" search field.<br />
<br />
If you find an entry for the particular issue you wish to enter, go to the section [[#Adding content to an existing entry|''Adding content to an existing entry'']] below. Otherwise, if you find entries for other issues of the same magazine, open at least one of them and take note of the formats used, so that your entry can be consistent.<br />
<br />
Second, from any publication display or the main menu, click "New Magazine" under Editing Tools. <br />
<br />
Third, enter the minimal required meta-data. See [[Help:Screen:NewPub]] for additional details on the various fields.<br />
*Enter the title of the magazine, followed by a comma, and the date or dates of the issue in the "title" field. If the date is not available, use the issue number (which may include a volume number). If other issues of the same magazine are on file, try to use the same form of the name and date format as they used, unless the magazine's actual name changed (For example, ''Argosy'' was ''The Golden Argosy'' early in its history and became ''Argosy-All Story'' after its merger with ''All-Story''). If you are using a date, be sure that the year is specified as a full 4 digits. "The Strand, September '60" could be either 1860 or 1960, for example. <br />
*:The ISFDB standard format for this field is "Magazine Name, Month Day, Year" for dailies or weeklies, "Magazine Name, Month Year" for monthlies, or "Magazine Name, Month1-Month2 Year" for bimonthlies. See [[Help:Screen:EditPub]] for more details. Follow the ISFDB standard insofar as possible. Check other issues of the same magazine for models to follow, if available. If you are not sure exactly how to enter a particular issue, get it in as best as you can, and call attention to the matter at the [[ISFDB:Help desk|Help desk]].<br />
*Enter in the "Editor" field "Editors of MAGAZINE NAME". If the actual editor is known with reasonable certainty, you may '''optionally''' enter the name(s) of the editor(s) as co-editors, but leave "Editors of MAGAZINE NAME" as one of the editors in any case. For the "Editors of" line, get the actual magazine name as correct as possible.<br />
*In the "year" field enter the date of publication in YYYY-MM-DD format as closely as it is known. As usual, leave any unknown fields as all zeros.<br />
*:Note that the date must be known precisely enough to identify a specific issue, or no entry should be created at all, as mentioned above. With a magazine of daily or weekly frequency, a specific day should normally be known. With one of monthly frequency, a specific month should be known. With a bimonthly, normally use the earlier of the two listed months. With a quarterly or annual, it may not be possible to be more precise than the year. Also, if the issue is identified by issue number rather than date, the date may not be known more precisely than the year. The year must in any case be known with reasonable assurance. See [[Help:Screen:EditPub]] -- the section on the Year field -- for the normal ISFDB standards for entering magazine dates.<br />
*If the formal name of the publisher of the magazine is known, enter it in the "publisher" field. Otherwise, leave this field blank. Stay consistent in form with other entries for the same magazine, so as not to create multiple publisher records (except where the actual publisher is known to have changed). If in doubt, leave blank.<br />
*If the accurate page count (including front and back covers) of the magazine is reliably known, enter it here, otherwise leave it blank. Mostly this will be blank unless you are working from a facsimile or original copy. (See [[Help:Screen:EditPub]] if working from an original or facsimile.)<br />
*Leave the "Pub Format" field blank. <br />
*Leave the "Pub Type" field as "MAGAZINE".<br />
*If you know the cover price of the issue, enter it in the price field with a proper currency symbol, otherwise leave it blank. It will usually be blank.<br />
*Do not enter a cover artist, nor a cover image URL. Leave both fields blank. Exception: if the cover art illustrates the SF content, or is by a well known SF artist, enter the credit, and if an image is available, enter the URL (See [[ISFDB:Image linking permissions]].)<br />
*In the "Notes" field enter the source from which your information is derived, and any other relevant information. If you have used multiple sources, mention this. If such sources are somewhat contradictory or seem unreliable, you can use a vague indication ("Based on data from several online vendors"). In particular, the source(s) which lead you to believe that the specific story is contained in the specific issue should be noted. Sources for metadata that are not required anyway are much less important. Also, a note such as "The listing for this non-genre publication is intentionally incomplete, only SF content is listed." is strongly recommended. Please sign your note with your ISFDB User ID, initials, name, or the like so that other ISFDB editors will know who to ask about any doubtful points. A rough date (month and year) in the note is also helpful.<br />
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Fourth, enter the speculative fiction content in the "Content" section. See [[Help:Screen:NewPub#General contents]] for additional details on the various fields.<br />
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*Enter the story title (as originally published) in the title field of a content section. <br />
*Enter the story's author (as originally credited, if known) in the matching author field. <br />
*Leave the "Entry Type" field as "Shortfiction" unless (rarely) the entry is a poem, or is part of a serial, or is a novel-length work published complete in one issue.<br />
**If a serial is being entered, add "(part n of m)" to the title<br />
**If a novel-length work published in a single issue is being entered, add "(Complete Novel)" to the tile, and use a type of "SERIAL".<br />
***Note that early magazines often listed a work as a "Complete Novel" on the cover or in the ToC when by current standards it is a Novella or even a Novelette. Please do not use the "(Complete Novel)" tag unless you have reason to believe that the work counts as a novel by current standards, that is, it consisted of 40,000 words or more. Otherwise just list it as a work of shortfiction. See [[Help:Screen:EditPub]] on the length standards for novel and the various shortfiction lengths.<br />
*Enter the length field (Shortstory, novelette, or novella) if known, otherwise leave it blank. (See [[Help:Screen:EditPub]])<br />
*Leave the page field blank unless the page number where the story started in the magazine is known. If it is known, enter the starting page.<br />
*Leave the date field blank. The software will automatically fill in the date of the magazine from the metadata area (Year field). (Exception: If the story is a reprint and the date of original publication is known, enter the date of original publication. If the story is already in the ISFDB, merging will take care of this, see below.)<br />
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Fifth, in the unusual case that more than one work of speculative fiction was published in the same issue, and you have data for both, enter the 2nd (and any subsequent) stories in the same way as the first.<br />
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<div>==A==<br />
{{T|1303721|As in Ancient Days: Tales of Zothique & The Book of Hyperborea}}<br><br />
{{T|601925|Bob's Favorite Comics}}<br><br />
{{T|1314101|Eleusinia and "Beneath the Barley"}}<br><br />
{{T|1217128|First Session}}<br><br />
{{T|1303710|How Modern Horror Was Born: Tales of the Dead: The Ghost Stories of the Villa Deodati}}<br><br />
{{T|1217126|The Dream That Became Deryni}}<br><br />
{{T|1217129|The Examen}}<br><br />
{{T|1303728|When the Chill Sets In: Night Relics & Winter Tides}}<br><br />
{{T|1380875|&#346;ledztwo / Katar}}<br><br />
{{T|166811|... is this a cat?}}<br><br />
{{T|1313200|13 Short Horror Novels}}<br><br />
{{T|973493|1984 and Beyond}}<br><br />
{{T|603105|2001: A Space Odyssey read by Arthur C. Clarke}} = DONE <br><br />
{{T|885555|2012}}<br><br />
{{T|166836|A Boy and His Dog, plus "Repent, Harlequin!" Said the Ticktockman (Audio)}}<br><br />
{{T|938264|A Bruce Boston Omnibus}}<br><br />
{{T|563641|A Celebration of Writing}}<br><br />
{{T|944017|A Century of Punch Cartoons}}<br><br />
{{T|1082681|A Checklist of SF Paperbacks in Print in Jan 1966}}<br><br />
{{T|920727|A Comet Strikes the Earth}}<br><br />
{{T|602849|A Coven of Witches Tales told by Vincent Price}}<br><br />
{{T|1405200|A Fekete Kalóz}}<br><br />
{{T|935791|A Gude to the Moon}}<br><br />
{{T|857049|A Guide to the Planets}}<br><br />
{{T|1356299|A Hatful of Sky}}<br><br />
{{T|161423|A History of Violence}}<br><br />
{{T|603101|A Hornbook for Witches read by Vincent Price}}<br><br />
{{T|1095101|A L'Image du Dragon}} = DONE<br><br />
{{T|596841|A Pictorial Anthology of Witchcraft, Magic and Alchemy}}<br><br />
{{T|1121048|A Pictorial Biography}}<br><br />
{{T|1303438|A Pound of Paper}}<br><br />
{{T|995546|A Review of Chrysalis}}<br><br />
{{T|1419218|A Rhapsody for the Eternal}}<br><br />
{{T|1211181|A Screenplay}}<br><br />
{{T|1072893|A Sight for Sore Eyes}}<br><br />
{{T|873497|A Study of Destiny}}<br><br />
{{T|1381979|A&#322;maz Szach}}<br><br />
{{T|947932|AB to Zogg}}<br><br />
{{T|851211|Adaptive Technologies for Learning & Work Environments, 2nd ed.}}<br><br />
{{T|882773|Advise and Consent}}<br><br />
{{T|880643|African Genesis}}<br><br />
{{T|1044749|After All These Years...}}<br><br />
{{T|1405838|Against Religion: The Atheist Writings of H. P. Lovecraft}}<br><br />
{{T|1092469|Ages in Chaos (Volume 1)}}<br><br />
{{T|981115|Ailleurs & Autres}} = NOT DOABLE (A&A is the title of a french fanzine)<br><br />
{{T|1316696|Aklo: A Journal of the Fantastic #1}}<br><br />
{{T|944015|Al Capp's Bald Iggle}}<br><br />
{{T|1117781|Alan Moore Spells It Out}}<br><br />
{{T|1261117|Alex Unlimited: The Vosarak Code}}<br><br />
{{T|853099|Algorithm}}<br><br />
{{T|1280920|Alice on the Shelf}}<br><br />
{{T|1121528|Alien Issue 1}}<br><br />
{{T|1338618|Alien-Lexikon}}<br><br />
{{T|1161118|Aliens: Genocide}}<br><br />
{{T|1161120|Aliens: Labyrinth}}<br><br />
{{T|1026287|Allira's Gift}}<br><br />
{{T|1356152|Alternative Godzillas: A Sound of Thunder}}<br><br />
{{T|1044750|Amber Diceless Role-Playing}}<br><br />
{{T|911785|America as Second Creation: Technology and Narratives of New Beginnings}}<br><br />
{{T|462621|American Film Genres: Approaches to a Critical Theory of Popular Film}}<br><br />
{{T|1411687|Among the Dead}}<br><br />
{{T|1411668|Among the Thuds}}<br><br />
{{T|866373|Amra}}<br><br />
{{T|850796|An Author Index to Astounding/Analog: Part II—Vol. 36, #1, September, 1945 to Vol. 73 #3, May, 1964}}<br><br />
{{T|1312994|An Epistle to Francis, Ld. Belknap}}<br><br />
{{T|1312993|An Epistle to the Rt. Honble Maurice Winter Moe, Esq.}}<br><br />
{{T|1215830|An Hour with Isaac Asimov: "Building a Firm Foundation"}}<br><br />
{{T|1121031|An Introduction to Elvish}}<br><br />
{{T|1257730|An Introduction to Rockets and Space Flight}}<br><br />
{{T|1215817|An Introduction to the J. Lloyd Eaton Collection of Science Fiction and Fantasy}}<br><br />
{{T|1445221|Analog 8}} = DONE<br><br />
{{T|1447146|Analog 8}}= DONE<br><br />
{{T|1243212|Analog Science Fiction and Fact, April 2007}}<br><br />
{{T|850667|Ancient Ruins and Archaeology}}<br><br />
{{T|1276247|Animal Treasure}}<br><br />
{{T|1323754|Anniversaries: The Write Fantastic}}<br><br />
{{T|1257718|Another Tree in Eden}}<br><br />
{{T|160973|Apocalypse Culture}}<br><br />
{{T|1314614|Arkham House 1939-1989}}<br><br />
{{T|1303436|Arthur C. Clarke and Lord Dunsany: A Correspondence}}<br><br />
{{T|871002|Artificial Earth Satellites}}<br><br />
{{T|1411701|As the Canary Goes By}}<br><br />
{{T|1243206|Asimov's Science Fiction, April-May 2007}}<br><br />
{{T|1243210|Asimov's Science Fiction, April-May 2007}}<br><br />
{{T|1428547|Asphalt Flowerhead}}<br><br />
{{T|919639|Assault on Mars}}<br><br />
{{T|1008204|Astoria}}<br><br />
{{T|775097|Astronomy}}<br><br />
{{T|1243487|At the Caligula Hotel}}<br><br />
{{T|753981|Atomic Energy}}<br><br />
{{T|873527|Audiovile}}<br><br />
{{T|1095095|Ausii Lourd Que Le Vent}}<br><br />
{{T|1121615|Author's Work Listings 1 & 2}}<br><br />
{{T|1311793|Autobiographical Memoir}}<br><br />
{{T|1282875|Autumn: The City}}<br><br />
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==B==<br />
{{T|866507|Babbitt&#8217;s Dilemma}}<br><br />
{{T|1160060|Babylon 5}}<br><br />
{{T|993891|Back Cover Book Review: The New AToms' Bombshell}}<br><br />
{{T|1323749|Back to the Middle of Nowhere}}<br><br />
{{T|1181698|Bad Girls Do It!}}<br><br />
{{T|1121485|BASRA Journal vol 1 no 4}}<br><br />
{{T|159518|Batman Forever}}<br><br />
{{T|159519|Batman Knightfall}}<br><br />
{{T|1160097|Batman vs. Predator 2: Bloodmatch}}<br><br />
{{T|1156109|Batman: Anarky}}<br><br />
{{T|1160098|Batman: The Last Arkham}}<br><br />
{{T|1203572|Battlestar Galactica and Philosophy}}<br><br />
{{T|1440546|Beast}}<br><br />
{{T|938447|Beauties, Beasts, and Enchantments: Classic French Fairy Tales}}<br><br />
{{T|1102492|Begotten of the Demon}}<br><br />
{{T|847348|Behind the Sputniks}}<br><br />
{{T|1331044|Bekanntlich}}<br><br />
{{T|1102499|Beloved of Satan}}<br><br />
{{T|1123690|Best New Science Fiction}}<br><br />
{{T|1089531|Best Science Fiction of the Year: 1 Part One}}<br><br />
{{T|1092477|Best Science Fiction of the Year: 1 Part Two}}<br><br />
{{T|917409|Beyond the Four Dimensions}}<br><br />
{{T|930410|Beyond the Reach of Sense}}<br><br />
{{T|1065225|Black Diamonds}}<br><br />
{{T|1062427|Black Holes}}<br><br />
{{T|1411680|Black Water}}<br><br />
{{T|1373790|Blind Hunger}}<br><br />
{{T|159513|Blood Moon}}<br><br />
{{T|166586|Boneyard Volume One}}<br><br />
{{T|1398255|Book Of Dark Wisdom}}<br><br />
{{T|1241122|Books: To Russia With Love}}<br><br />
{{T|616921|Boris Karloff and His Films}}<br><br />
{{T|1062556|Bradbury 13}}<br><br />
{{T|1072975|Breakout into Space}}<br><br />
{{T|1311687|Brian Lumley: A New Bibliography}}<br><br />
{{T|583833|Brief Lives}}<br><br />
{{T|1226453|Brimmed Hat with Flowers}}<br><br />
{{T|1366597|British Science Fiction Cinema}}<br><br />
{{T|905241|Broca's Brain - Reflections on the Romance of Science}}<br><br />
{{T|1228247|Buck Rogers: 25th Century A.D.}}<br><br />
{{T|1165576|Buddha: Ananda}}<br><br />
{{T|1165575|Buddha: Deer Park}}<br><br />
{{T|1165573|Buddha: Devadatta}}<br><br />
{{T|1165578|Buddha: Jetavana}}<br><br />
{{T|1165577|Buddha: Prince Ajatasattu}}<br><br />
{{T|1165574|Buddha: The Forest of Uruvela}}<br><br />
{{T|1164617|Buddha: The Four Encounters (Volume 2)}}<br><br />
{{T|1411681|Buffalo Soldiers}}<br><br />
{{T|1211211|Building Sci-Fi Moviescapes}}<br><br />
{{T|1435518|By Other Mean}}<br><br />
{{T|1106619|By-Ways on the Shining Path}}<br><br />
==C==<br />
{{T|949753|Can a TV Tie-In Novel Achieve Excellence? Jeanne Cavelos' The Passing of the Techno-Mages}}<br><br />
{{T|1434849|Captain Future series}}<br><br />
{{T|760461|Cartoon Laffs from True}}<br><br />
{{T|1386304|Catamount Press, a poem sampling}}<br><br />
{{T|1451943|Celtia: Fantasy Drawings in the Celtic Style}}<br><br />
{{T|930411|Challenge of Psychical Research}}<br><br />
{{T|886796|Chariots of the Gods}}<br><br />
{{T|864234|Chariots of the Gods?}}<br><br />
{{T|1419215|Chasing the Dragon}}<br><br />
{{T|201241|Check List of Fantastic Novels}}<br><br />
{{T|1411677|Child of God}}<br><br />
{{T|1161202|Childhood Ends}}<br><br />
{{T|938339|Chronicles of the Mutant Rain Forest}}<br><br />
{{T|1086906|Cinefan 3}}<br><br />
{{T|1123432|Citador}}<br><br />
{{T|1313199|Clark Ashton Smith: Letters to H. P. Lovecraft}}<br><br />
{{T|1144693|Clash of the Princes}}<br><br />
{{T|1160061|Classic Star Wars: Book 2}}<br><br />
{{T|1160062|Classic Star Wars: Book 3}}<br><br />
{{T|1419208|Classics and Contemporaries}}<br><br />
{{T|1229096|Classics and Contemporaries: Some Notes on Horror Fiction}}<br><br />
{{T|1125816|Clive Barker's Nightbreed}}<br><br />
{{T|1097267|Close Encounters of the Third Kind 1979 UFO Calendar}}<br><br />
{{T|1097268|Close Encounters of the Third Kind Portfolio}}<br><br />
{{T|1092220|Code and Other Laws of Cyberspace}}<br><br />
{{T|873220|Collected Essays}}<br><br />
{{T|1313474|Collected Poems}}<br><br />
{{T|408121|Collected Works, Volume One}}<br><br />
{{T|839035|Colony: Earth}}<br><br />
{{T|583281|Comic Book Rebels}}<br><br />
{{T|1201433|Conquetes}}<br><br />
{{T|1148613|Conspiracy: Who Killed the President?}}<br><br />
{{T|617369|Contes de Terreur}} = book is part of the OPTA CLAF series, not entered yet.<br><br />
{{T|576517|Convention Annual No. 3. Discon edition}}<br><br />
{{T|1428545|Cosmetica}}<br><br />
{{T|1072780|Cosmic Joy and Local Pain}}<br><br />
{{T|1188501|Cosmologies of Consciousness}}<br><br />
{{T|935497|Countdown to Apocalypse: Asteroids, Tidal Waves and the End of the World}}<br><br />
{{T|1356302|Coyote & Coyote Rising}}<br><br />
{{T|1066742|Creating Peace}}<br><br />
{{T|1146727|Creature of Havoc}}<br><br />
{{T|544833|Crime and Mystery: The 100 Best Books}}<br><br />
{{T|166107|Crimewave 4: Mood Indigo}}<br><br />
{{T|166175|Crimewave 5: Dark Before Dawn}}<br><br />
{{T|1419238|Crossed}}<br><br />
{{T|1146901|Crypt of the Sorceror}}<br><br />
{{T|882703|Cybernetics}}<br><br />
{{T|920966|Cybernetics}}<br><br />
{{T|832160|Cybertexts}}<br><br />
==D==<br />
{{T|1092505|Dali}}<br><br />
{{T|1026280|Dalton Quayle Rides Out}}<br><br />
{{T|1113377|Damned If You Do}}<br><br />
{{T|408061|Dance of the Dwarfs}}<br><br />
{{T|1244006|Dancing in Circles}}<br><br />
{{T|1145711|Dark Words, Gentle Sounds}}<br><br />
{{T|873233|Dead of Winter}}<br><br />
{{T|1419230|Death Mask}}<br><br />
{{T|1200933|Decline of the Pulps}}<br><br />
{{T|1066345|Deep Space}}<br><br />
{{T|1160058|Deep Space Nine, Star Trek The Next Generation: The Landmark Crossover}}<br><br />
{{T|1313204|Deep Things Out of Darkness}}<br><br />
{{T|1215052|Demon Bitch's Punishment}}<br><br />
{{T|1338614|Der 7. Schrein}}<br><br />
{{T|1338621|Der Klang der Stille}}<br><br />
{{T|1226135|Der Pflanzen Heiland}}<br><br />
{{T|1331050|Der Tag des silbernen Tieres}}<br><br />
{{T|934370|Design for Decision}}<br><br />
{{T|837517|Designing the Future, the Role of Technological Forecasting}}<br><br />
{{T|917620|Destinies}}<br><br />
{{T|1215957|Devil's Handmaiden}}<br><br />
{{T|1102496|Devil's Incest Daughter}}<br><br />
{{T|1215958|Devil's Sex Slaves}}<br><br />
{{T|1411011|Dimensions Beyond the Known}}<br><br />
{{T|857279|Discovery of the Universe}}<br><br />
{{T|1419200|Dissection: Photographs of a Rite of Passage in American Medicine, 1880-1930}}<br><br />
{{T|1202230|Diverse books}}<br><br />
{{T|860470|Divine Intervention}}<br><br />
{{T|981266|Doctor Who Monthly}}<br><br />
{{T|1086978|Dodecahedron (1986 Fantasy Calendar)}}<br><br />
{{T|1151768|Dr Tim (Book One)}}<br><br />
{{T|166933|Dr. No}}<br><br />
{{T|1405846|Dracula's Guest and Other Tales of Horror}}<br><br />
{{T|1419241|Draculas}}<br><br />
{{T|1106622|Dragon Hunt Through Avalon}}<br><br />
{{T|1126514|Dragonflight (Adapted by Brynne Stephens, Lela Dowling, Cynthia Martin, Fred Von Tobel)}}<br><br />
{{T|1188345|Dreadmaster, Book One of the Storm of Wings Trilogy}}<br><br />
{{T|159521|Dreams of Decadence}}<br><br />
{{T|1159789|Dreamsongs}}<br><br />
{{T|1163035|Drek Yarman}}<br><br />
{{T|1380876|Druga jesie&#324;}}<br><br />
{{T|194050|Dujonian's Hoard}}<br><br />
{{T|615029|Dulac}}<br><br />
{{T|1174001|Duplicating Notes}}<br><br />
==E==<br />
{{T|679373|E. C. Tubb - An Evaluation}}<br><br />
{{T|955894|Earth in Turmoil}}<br><br />
{{T|1052241|Earth Satellite}}<br><br />
{{T|867427|Earth Satellites}}<br><br />
{{T|992494|Earth™}}<br><br />
{{T|609241|Edgar Rice Burroughs Biblio}}<br><br />
{{T|857646|Edgar Rice Burroughs Biblio}}<br><br />
{{T|867283|Edgar Rice Burroughs Biblio}}<br><br />
{{T|1078992|Edward Lee's Quest for Sex, Truth and Reality}}<br><br />
{{T|940280|Eglerio! In Praise of Tolkien}}<br><br />
{{T|730725|Eight Hundred Leagues on the Amazon}}<br><br />
{{T|213901|Ein Moderner Mythus}}<br><br />
{{T|343401|Einstein and Relativity}}<br><br />
{{T|1338625|Eisblutgeschichten}}<br><br />
{{T|1204612|Elementarteilchen}}<br><br />
{{T|1282877|Elements of the Apocalypse}}<br><br />
{{T|1186686|Ellison Reads Ellison}}<br><br />
{{T|166161|Elric}}<br><br />
{{T|194051|En Garde}}<br><br />
{{T|1160635|Enchantment's Edge}}<br><br />
{{T|1089320|Encyclopaedia of Prophecy}}<br><br />
{{T|758497|Encyclopedia Americana}}<br><br />
{{T|892345|Energy Victory}}<br><br />
{{T|1143796|Engineer Garin and His Death Ray}}<br><br />
{{T|1104317|Engines of Tomorrow}}<br><br />
{{T|915224|Enterprise}}<br><br />
{{T|1071608|Envoys of Mankind}}<br><br />
{{T|1256635|Escape to Venus}}<br><br />
{{T|927047|ESP and Personality Patterns}}<br><br />
{{T|992396|Essential Software for Writers}}<br><br />
{{T|1311917|Etchings and Odysseys #6}}<br><br />
{{T|1165145|Eternal Vigilance}}<br><br />
{{T|1117778|Etiquette With Your Robot Wife And Thirty More SF/F/H Lists}}<br><br />
{{T|1196340|Evenings with Demons}}<br><br />
{{T|1419243|Evil Spine-Tingling True Stories of Murder and Mayhem}}<br><br />
{{T|732137|Evolution in Action}}<br><br />
{{T|859506|Exotic Zoology}}<br><br />
{{T|785829|Exploring Space With a Camera}}<br><br />
{{T|1411673|Exposure}}<br><br />
{{T|1226852|Extro}}<br><br />
{{T|1092471|Eyes of Laura Mars}}<br><br />
==F==<br />
{{T|883464|Fables}}<br><br />
{{T|602785|Faces in the Flames}}<br><br />
{{T|1061456|Facts and Fallacies: A Book of Definitive Mistakes and Misguided Predictions}}<br><br />
{{T|1229017|Fahrenbrink}}<br><br />
{{T|603477|Fairy Tale Favorites told by Mary Strang}}<br><br />
{{T|1236287|False Gods}}<br><br />
{{T|1397567|Fanews Portfolio}}<br><br />
{{T|404201|Fantastic Nudes, 2nd Series}}<br><br />
{{T|1447684|Fantasy and Science Fiction: A Critical Guide}}<br><br />
{{T|895904|Fantasy Calendar for 1950}}<br><br />
{{T|1397718|Fantasy Commentator: Sam Moskowitz and A. Langley Searles Memorial Issue}}<br><br />
{{T|1311569|Fantasy Empire "Lovecraft Special"}}<br><br />
{{T|1097438|Fantasy Media}}<br><br />
{{T|1097392|Fantasy Newsletter}}<br><br />
{{T|1226252|Fantasy Research & Bibliography}}<br><br />
{{T|1218126|Fantasy Tales}}<br><br />
{{T|1443426|Fantasy Tales 3}}<br><br />
{{T|1072808|Fantômas}} = Fantômas is a series of novels about a criminal mastermind, it's not really SF<br><br />
{{T|1203629|Far Arena: Part Five of the Okal Rel Saga}}<br><br />
{{T|166825|Far West}}<br><br />
{{T|1248952|Faster: the Acceleration of Just About Everything}}<br><br />
{{T|1088240|Fatal Women}}<br><br />
{{T|1331983|Fenrir}}<br><br />
{{T|609849|Feral}}<br><br />
{{T|616325|Fiction Writer's Handbook}}<br><br />
{{T|1186702|Fiction Writer's Market}}<br><br />
{{T|615221|Film Fantasy Scrapbook, New Edition}}<br><br />
{{T|1089940|Final Crisis: Legion of 3 Worlds}}<br><br />
{{T|1095547|First Strike! The Pentagon's Strategy for Nuclear War}}<br><br />
{{T|911994|Five Quarts: A Personal and Natural History of Blood}}<br><br />
{{T|817541|Flash Gordon: Into the Water World of Mongo}}<br><br />
{{T|1066379|Flim-Flam!}}<br><br />
{{T|404171|Fly By Night}}<br><br />
{{T|854931|Flying Saucers and the Straight-Line Mystery}}<br><br />
{{T|1256563|Flying Saucers from Another World}}<br><br />
{{T|835236|Flying Saucers: Fact or Fiction?}}<br><br />
{{T|1185930|Flying to 3,000 B.C.}}<br><br />
{{T|987619|Fool for an Agent}}<br><br />
{{T|864237|Forgotten Worlds}}<br><br />
{{T|1097390|Forthcoming SF Books}}<br><br />
{{T|209181|Fortress in the Sky}}<br><br />
{{T|1132244|Foss Poster Portfolio}}<br><br />
{{T|603093|Foundation read by William Shatner}}<br><br />
{{T|618153|Frankenstein}}<br><br />
{{T|1229088|Frankenstein: Icon of Modern Culture}}<br><br />
{{T|1332280|Freakcidents: A Surrealist Sideshow}}<br><br />
{{T|1411689|Free Fall}}<br><br />
{{T|1069828|Free Software}}<br><br />
{{T|938446|French Folktales from the Collection of Henri Pourrat}}<br><br />
{{T|1443402|Frisk}}<br><br />
{{T|1250416|From Blue to Black}}<br><br />
{{T|1280917|From Dawn to Dusk}}<br><br />
{{T|1061828|From Here to Quiddity: Clive Barker's The Great and Secret Show}}<br><br />
{{T|427371|From Jules Verne to Star Trek}}<br><br />
{{T|777777|From the Hells Beneath the Hells}}<br><br />
{{T|684773|From the Hells Beneath the Hells (audio recording)}}<br><br />
{{T|923083|Funny Face!}}<br><br />
{{T|1234901|Förchtbar Maschien}}<br><br />
==G==<br />
{{T|1444844|G-8 and His Battle Aces #1: The Bat Staffel}}<br><br />
{{T|1121032|Galaxies Interieures 1}} = published by Denoel in the Présence du Futur series, not entered yet<br><br />
{{T|1121033|Galaxies Interieures 2}} = DONE<br><br />
{{T|866501|Gantry Affairs}}<br><br />
{{T|1048382|Gantz}}<br><br />
{{T|1066315|Genetic Alchemy}}<br><br />
{{T|1405857|Ghosts of Wyoming}}<br><br />
{{T|1226227|Giger N. Y. City}}<br><br />
{{T|166823|Gil Kane: The Art of the Comics}}<br><br />
{{T|1089373|God Jokes: The Art of Abdul Mati Klarwein}}<br><br />
{{T|744297|God Save the Queen}}<br><br />
{{T|1321092|God's War}}<br><br />
{{T|864246|Gods and Spacemen in the Ancient East}}<br><br />
{{T|864235|Gods From Outer Space}}<br><br />
{{T|864236|Gold of the Gods}}<br><br />
{{T|1026023|Golden}}<br><br />
{{T|604565|Gonna Roll the Bones read by Fritz Leiber}}<br><br />
{{T|1140747|Gothic Rock: All you ever wanted to know}}<br><br />
{{T|944018|Grab Your Socks}}<br><br />
{{T|1285895|Gradisil}}<br><br />
{{T|424051|Granfa' Grig Had a Pig}}<br><br />
{{T|602857|Gravely, Robert Bloch}}<br><br />
{{T|1293220|Gravesend}}<br><br />
{{T|768765|Green Lantern & Green Arrow #1}}<br><br />
{{T|1121589|Green Suns}}<br><br />
{{T|1186685|Greg Press Science Fiction Series: The Works of Fritz Leiber}}<br><br />
{{T|929772|Guided Missiles in War and Peace}}<br><br />
{{T|408021|Guzman Go Home}}<br><br />
==H==<br />
{{T|1228711|H. G. Wells' Literary Criticism}}<br><br />
{{T|1188609|H. P. Lovecraft's Book of the Supernatural}}<br><br />
{{T|1311689|H. P. Lovecraft—Out for Blood}}<br><br />
{{T|1404198|H. Rider Haggard: His Life and Works}}<br><br />
{{T|866506|Handbook of Management}}<br><br />
{{T|604533|Hannes Bok II}}<br><br />
{{T|639565|Harlan! (audio recording)}}<br><br />
{{T|604569|Harlan! Harlan Ellison reads Harlan Ellison}}<br><br />
{{T|1266114|Harmon Place and Other Stories}}<br><br />
{{T|862897|Haunted New England}}<br><br />
{{T|938454|Having Technology}}<br><br />
{{T|1285164|he Country You Have Never Seen: Essays and Reviews}} = DONE, title mispelled<br><br />
{{T|582389|Heart of Darkness}}<br><br />
{{T|1121586|Heart of the Serpent}} = Effremov's novel ?<br><br />
{{T|1107800|Heat, Vol. 0}}<br><br />
{{T|856792|Heaven and Hell}}<br><br />
{{T|1215050|Hell's Bitch}}<br><br />
{{T|1411682|Hello Down There}}<br><br />
{{T|1146726|Helmquest}}<br><br />
{{T|1428549|Help! A Bear is Eating Me!}}<br><br />
{{T|1102494|Her Master Was Satan}}<br><br />
{{T|1226840|Heyne Science Fiction Magazin}}<br><br />
{{T|856277|Highway of the Sun}}<br><br />
{{T|1338626|Hilferuf aus Animaland}}<br><br />
{{T|786017|Hiroshima}}<br><br />
{{T|856394|Hoaxes}}<br><br />
{{T|1140638|Hoffman's Guide to SF, Horror and Fantasy Movies}}<br><br />
{{T|943130|Homebodies}}<br><br />
{{T|1069279|Horror Comics: The Illustrated History}}<br><br />
{{T|404221|Horror Films}}<br><br />
{{T|161017|Hot Blood}}<br><br />
{{T|1072827|House of Flesh}}<br><br />
{{T|1121674|How Doth the Busy Little Ant}}<br><br />
{{T|993890|How to Good-Bye Depression: If You Constrict Anus 100 Times Everyday. Malarkey? or Effective Way?}}<br><br />
{{T|160333|How To Live Forever}}<br><br />
==I==<br />
{{T|335321|I Don't Know About Art}}<br><br />
{{T|335491|I Don't Know About Art}}<br><br />
{{T|873231|Icons of Horror and the Supernatural: An Encyclopedia of Our Worst Nightmares}}<br><br />
{{T|1397721|If By Reason of Strength}}<br><br />
{{T|1064754|Il segno del serpente}}<br><br />
{{T|1200932|Imagination}}<br><br />
{{T|1438718|Imaro II: The Quest for Cush}}<br><br />
{{T|1082598|Impulse 4}}<br><br />
{{T|1082599|Impulse 5}}<br><br />
{{T|1125033|In Conversation: A Writer's Perspective - Volume One: Horror}}<br><br />
{{T|905824|In Deepspace Shadows: A Dramatic Poem in Two Acts}}<br><br />
{{T|1226846|In Laurins Blick}}<br><br />
{{T|866371|In Memoriam: Clark Ashton Smith}}<br><br />
{{T|1308639|In Memoriam: Howard Phillips Lovecraft; Ethel M. Phillips Morrish}}<br><br />
{{T|942821|In Search of Ancient Astronomies}}<br><br />
{{T|864244|In Search of Ancient Mysteries}}<br><br />
{{T|938569|In the Beginning: Creation Stories from Around the World}}<br><br />
{{T|1104111|Index to British Science Fiction Magazines}}<br><br />
{{T|850795|Index to the Science Fiction and Fantasy Magazines: 1963}}<br><br />
{{T|806973|Index to the Science Fiction Magazines, 1969}}<br><br />
{{T|868205|Index to the Science Fiction Magazines: 1962}}<br><br />
{{T|829999|Index to the Science Fiction Magazines: 1967}}<br><br />
{{T|1060257|Index to the Strand Magazine 1891-1950}}<br><br />
{{T|217421|Industrial Nuclear Development}}<br><br />
{{T|1067529|Information Mechanics}}<br><br />
{{T|1313476|Insidious Garden: A Look at Horror Fiction}}<br><br />
{{T|1454449|Interplanetary: A History of the British Interplanetary Society}}<br><br />
{{T|1121051|Interstellar Travel}}<br><br />
{{T|1192096|Interview with R. A. Salvatore}}<br><br />
{{T|1286591|Interview: Chuck Palahniuk}}<br><br />
{{T|1243207|Interzone, No 208, February 2007}}<br><br />
{{T|1243213|Interzone, No 208, February 2007}}<br><br />
{{T|934280|Into Space}}<br><br />
{{T|1094312|Into Thin Air}}<br><br />
{{T|908750|Introduction to Modern Physics}}<br><br />
{{T|859641|Introduction to Space}}<br><br />
{{T|1224623|Irish Masters of Fantasy}}<br><br />
{{T|857647|It #6: UPA Issue}}<br><br />
{{T|993893|It Was a Dark and Stormy Night}}<br><br />
==J-K==<br />
{{T|1120075|J. G. Ballard: The First Twenty Years}}<br><br />
{{T|615081|J. R. R. Tolkien Calendar 1976 by the Brothers Hildebrandt}}<br><br />
{{T|609609|J. R. R. Tolkien Reads and Sings His The Hobbit and The Fellowship of the Ring}}<br><br />
{{T|609613|J. R. R. Tolkien Reads and Sings His The Lord of the Rings (The Two Towers and The Return of the King)}}<br><br />
{{T|1094367|Jackie! All the Famous Broadsheets}}<br><br />
{{T|853152|James Gleick's CHAOS, the Software}}<br><br />
{{T|885388|John Constantine, Hellblazer: All His Engines}}<br><br />
{{T|1121242|John Russell Fearn - An Evaluation}}<br><br />
{{T|1387818|Journal of an Astronaut / Nostalgia of the Infinite}}<br><br />
{{T|861281|Journal Wired}}<br><br />
{{T|1213011|Journal Wired}}<br><br />
{{T|856919|Jules Verne, Prophet of a New Age}}<br><br />
{{T|1415284|Ka-Qua-Hawk-as}}<br><br />
{{T|1429953|Kadath}}<br><br />
{{T|615033|Kay Nielsen}}<br><br />
{{T|1347490|Kea's Flight}}<br><br />
{{T|1229089|Keep Watching the Skies! American Science Fiction Movies of the Fifties}}<br><br />
{{T|1281777|Kelland}}<br><br />
{{T|1418470|Kermit's Garden of Verses}}<br><br />
{{T|408051|King Queen Knave}}<br><br />
{{T|1303743|King Rat & Perdido Street Station}}<br><br />
{{T|1165177|Kitty}}<br><br />
{{T|578569|Kooperation}}<br><br />
{{T|1379312|Kronika Akaszy (Inicjacja, Skorupa Astralna)}}<br><br />
{{T|1382704|Kurs na zderzenie}}<br><br />
==L==<br />
{{T|700681|L'Annee 1982-1983 de la Science-Fiction et du Fantastique}} = DONE<br><br />
{{T|980922|L'Ecran fantastique: la nouvelle dimension du cinema}}<br><br />
{{T|1224581|L'enfant des glaces}} = DONE<br><br />
{{T|1196813|L. A. Requiem}}<br><br />
{{T|1224614|La Nouvelle Science-Fiction Americaine}} = DONE<br><br />
{{T|985969|La Science-Fiction Francaise: 1918-1968}} = DONE<br><br />
{{T|1338627|Landa - Rebellin für die Freiheit}}<br><br />
{{T|925201|Larrousse Encyclopedia of Astronomy}}<br><br />
{{T|909728|Laugh or Cry: Finding the Lighter Side of disABILITIES}}<br><br />
{{T|1303699|Laughing Gas}}<br><br />
{{T|1106615|Lazarus 9}}<br><br />
{{T|1095098|Le Nuisible}}<br><br />
{{T|1226842|Le Planete du Jugement}} = DONE<br><br />
{{T|1226843|Le snant n'es pas le mort et autres recits}}<br><br />
{{T|563669|Legend: The Graphic Novel}}<br><br />
{{T|1095099|Les Manguers de Muraille}} = DONE (review title corrected)<br><br />
{{T|1095094|Les Sentinelles D'Almoha}} = DONE<br><br />
{{T|1121118|Let's Go to Golgotha}}<br><br />
{{T|995381|Letters of the Alien Publisher}}<br><br />
{{T|162142|Licence Denied: Ramblings from the Doctor Who Underground}}<br><br />
{{T|1331043|Lichtjahr 7}}<br><br />
{{T|1147087|Life Between Life}}<br><br />
{{T|1309073|Life of Insects}}<br><br />
{{T|1102495|Lilith's Daughter}}<br><br />
{{T|873236|Literary Walking Tours of Gothic Dublin}}<br><br />
{{T|1319614|Little Nemo in Slumberland}}<br><br />
{{T|867429|Living Magic}}<br><br />
{{T|622637|Lobbying for Space}}<br><br />
{{T|902701|Local Area Networks in Large Organizations: A Manager's Briefing}}<br><br />
{{T|1280891|Logan's Run: Last Day #1}}<br><br />
{{T|1243214|Lone Star Stories, #19}}<br><br />
{{T|1100656|Lost Atlantis}}<br><br />
{{T|1307165|Lost Cities of Ancient Lemuria and the Pacific}}<br><br />
{{T|1181687|Lost in Booth Nine}}<br><br />
{{T|1312006|Lost in the Rentharpian Hills: Spanning the Decades with Carl Jacobi}}<br><br />
{{T|615209|Lost Worlds}}<br><br />
{{T|949775|Love Versus Corruption in a Psychological Space Opera: C.J. Merle's Of Honor and Treason}}<br><br />
{{T|1311836|Lovecraft Remembered}}<br><br />
{{T|1312493|Lovecraft Studies #12}}<br><br />
{{T|1313201|Lovecraft Studies #15}}<br><br />
{{T|1314073|Lovecraft Studies #17}}<br><br />
{{T|1308636|Lovecraft Studies 14}}<br><br />
{{T|1308360|Lovecraft Studies 16}}<br><br />
{{T|1314739|Lovecraft Studies 21}}<br><br />
{{T|1313308|Lovecraft: A Study in the Fantastic}}<br><br />
{{T|1215051|Lucifer's Altar Girl}}<br><br />
{{T|753189|Lueurs sur les Soucoupes Volantes}}<br><br />
{{T|602841|Lugosi: The Man Behind the Cape}}<br><br />
==M==<br />
{{T|1069912|Machenalia}}<br><br />
{{T|1243927|Madame Blavatsky's Baboon}}<br><br />
{{T|1008202|Magazine-Writing—Peter Snook}}<br><br />
{{T|1062554|Mage: The Hero Discovered}}<br><br />
{{T|1026059|Magical Changes}}<br><br />
{{T|838562|Magnificent Universe}}<br><br />
{{T|1092504|Magritte}}<br><br />
{{T|1061136|Maine Quartet}}<br><br />
{{T|1316770|Man and the Moon}}<br><br />
{{T|1066697|Man and the Planets}}<br><br />
{{T|843410|Man in the Universe}}<br><br />
{{T|1052244|Man Must Measure}}<br><br />
{{T|866126|Man on Earth: How Civilization and Technology Changed the Face of the Earth}}<br><br />
{{T|867323|Man Unlimited}}<br><br />
{{T|1428546|Market Adjustment}}<br><br />
{{T|1241914|Mars}}<br><br />
{{T|677173|Mars and the Mind of Man}}<br><br />
{{T|1144708|Masks of Mayhem}}<br><br />
{{T|1229108|Master Mechanics and Wicked Wizards: Images of the American Scientist as Hero and Villain from Colonial Times to the Present}}<br><br />
{{T|1089452|Masters of Comic Book Art}}<br><br />
{{T|1106620|Masters of Inworld}}<br><br />
{{T|1100655|Mathematics for the Million}}<br><br />
{{T|160883|Maus}}<br><br />
{{T|942126|Max}}<br><br />
{{T|1057165|Meeting of Minds}}<br><br />
{{T|1432054|Meeting the Dog Girls}}<br><br />
{{T|1338623|Mein Fleisch wird brennen}}<br><br />
{{T|1243425|Memories of the Irish Isreali War}}<br><br />
{{T|1315028|Men of Dunwich: The Story of a Vanished Town}}<br><br />
{{T|750265|Men Of Space}}<br><br />
{{T|1258086|Men, Missiles and Machines}}<br><br />
{{T|1107842|Menace: Battle Mountain}}<br><br />
{{T|1152216|MGM's Marvelous Wizard of Oz}}<br><br />
{{T|1062552|MIchael Moorcock's Elric of Melnibone}}<br><br />
{{T|1094795|Micro-Computing: Everything You Ever Wanted to Know}}<br><br />
{{T|862898|Mind Children: The Future of Robot and Human Intelligence}}<br><br />
{{T|1066832|Mind on Fire}}<br><br />
{{T|1314109|Minnesota Fantasy Review, Vol. 2, #2}}<br><br />
{{T|1088291|Miracles of the Gods}}<br><br />
{{T|1066316|Mission to Mars}}<br><br />
{{T|1261107|Mister Pip}}<br><br />
{{T|1336674|Mobile Architektur: Entwurf und Technologie}}<br><br />
{{T|162143|Modern British Utopias, 1700-1850}}<br><br />
{{T|931555|Modern Experiments in Telepathy}}<br><br />
{{T|1113349|Mollie Peer}}<br><br />
{{T|1082628|Monolith 2}}<br><br />
{{T|1061827|Monsters, Miracles, and Revelations: Clive Barker's Tales of Transformation (The Second Three Books of Blood)}}<br><br />
{{T|871010|Moon Base: Technical and Psychological Aspects}}<br><br />
{{T|414021|Moon-Whales and Other Moon Poems}}<br><br />
{{T|1258973|Moonlight Red}}<br><br />
{{T|931351|Moonraker}}<br><br />
{{T|1079562|Mosig at Last: A Psychologist Looks at H. P. Lovecraft}}<br><br />
{{T|603461|Mother and the Flying Saucer}}<br><br />
{{T|908245|Mother Goose: Numbers on the Loose}}<br><br />
{{T|1154220|Movies in Fifteen Minutes}}<br><br />
{{T|253221|Mr. Hero-The Newmatic Man 1}}<br><br />
{{T|404141|Mr. Moon's Last Case}}<br><br />
{{T|1411685|Mr. Summer's Story}}<br><br />
{{T|1052242|Mysteries of Space and Time}}<br><br />
{{T|956588|Mysteries of the North Pole}}<br><br />
{{T|1186689|Mystery Adventure}}<br><br />
{{T|1341516|MythConceptions}}<br><br />
{{T|1341517|MythDirection}}<br><br />
==N==<br />
{{T|1387754|Narcotic Signature}}<br><br />
{{T|1250429|Native Rites}}<br><br />
{{T|1266115|Native Tongue}}<br><br />
{{T|723865|Nature's Ways}}<br><br />
{{T|160329|Nemira '95}}<br><br />
{{T|744305|Neptune Noir}}<br><br />
{{T|1137339|New Crimes}}<br><br />
{{T|1072802|New Grub Street}}<br><br />
{{T|918782|New Tales of the Arabian Nights}}<br><br />
{{T|916228|New Worlds}}<br><br />
{{T|162340|New Worlds (1997)}}<br><br />
{{T|1083722|New Worlds 150}}<br><br />
{{T|1083724|New Worlds 151}}<br><br />
{{T|1082695|New Worlds 160}}<br><br />
{{T|1082678|New Worlds 161}}<br><br />
{{T|1082680|New Worlds 162}}<br><br />
{{T|1082602|New Worlds 163}}<br><br />
{{T|1082603|New Worlds 165}}<br><br />
{{T|1082604|New Worlds 166}}<br><br />
{{T|1082605|New Worlds 167}}<br><br />
{{T|1120049|New Worlds 173}}<br><br />
{{T|1082893|New Worlds 182}}<br><br />
{{T|856296|New Worlds of Modern Science}}<br><br />
{{T|679009|New Worlds SF, November 1965}}<br><br />
{{T|678609|New Worlds SF, October 1965}}<br><br />
{{T|678605|New Worlds SF, September 1965}}<br><br />
{{T|582481|Night Has a Thousand Eyes}}<br><br />
{{T|1072855|Nightshade}}<br><br />
{{T|913225|No Apparent Danger: The True Story of Volcanic Disaster at Galeras and Nevado del Ruiz}}<br><br />
{{T|993894|No Need For Loose Ends, a review of Galactic Cluster}}<br><br />
{{T|1314104|Nocturne, Primus}}<br><br />
{{T|1308470|Nocturne, Secundus}}<br><br />
{{T|1281778|Norman Corwin's One World Flight}}<br><br />
{{T|1140643|Nostalgia About Comics}}<br><br />
{{T|1380337|Nostradamus: The Man Who Saw Through Time}}<br><br />
{{T|1428551|Not Quite One of the Boys}}<br><br />
{{T|704557|Now You See It . . .}} = DONE<br><br />
==O-P==<br />
{{T|1323760|Oath of Moment}}<br><br />
{{T|1089372|Occupied Spaces}}<br><br />
{{T|857522|Of Stars and Men}}<br><br />
{{T|1313282|Off the Ancient Track, A Lovecraftian Guide to New-England & Adjacent New York}}<br><br />
{{T|1203592|Okal Rel Universe: Anthology 2}}<br><br />
{{T|1148616|On Human Nature}}<br><br />
{{T|615429|On Location on Martha's Vineyard (The Making of the Movie "Jaws")}}<br><br />
{{T|853098|On Spec: The Canadian Magazine of Speculative Writting}}<br><br />
{{T|1418472|On the Frontiers of Science}}<br><br />
{{T|609605|One Winter Night in August and Other Nonsense Jingles}}<br><br />
{{T|1387843|Orbiting a Data Dump #5}}<br><br />
{{T|158504|ORPHIA: Slavonic Science Fiction and Fantasy Magazine Issue #1 (March 1990)}}<br><br />
{{T|1229461|Otherwhere}}<br><br />
{{T|935189|Our Neighbor Worlds}}<br><br />
{{T|1135974|Out of the Pit}}<br><br />
{{T|1072850|Outer Dark}}<br><br />
{{T|1215409|Paper Star Ships}}<br><br />
{{T|1097750|Para}}<br><br />
{{T|1160711|Paradise Junction}}<br><br />
{{T|1067618|Paradox: The Case for the Extraterrestrial Origin of Man}}<br><br />
{{T|1065477|Paranormal Borderlands of Science}}<br><br />
{{T|633209|Parapsychology: An Insider's View of ESP}}<br><br />
{{T|1314112|Parts}}<br><br />
{{T|920984|Peace or Pestilence}}<br><br />
{{T|408151|Penguin Science Survey, 1968, the Physical Sciences}}<br><br />
{{T|965484|People of Darkness}}<br><br />
{{T|1066380|Philosophers Look at Science Fiction}}<br><br />
{{T|933319|Physics of the Planet Mars}}<br><br />
{{T|1070863|Pioneering the Space Frontier}}<br><br />
{{T|873503|Plagiarism and Pederasty: Skeletons in the Jamesian Closet}}<br><br />
{{T|1405874|Poe in His Own Time}}<br><br />
{{T|1387819|Poems of the Divided Self}}<br><br />
{{T|914301|Pompidou Posse}}<br><br />
{{T|1397583|Portents}}<br><br />
{{T|1068502|Portfolio}}<br><br />
{{T|1095097|Portrait du Diable en Chapeau-Melon}}<br><br />
{{T|873508|Postscripts, March 2007}}<br><br />
{{T|609413|Prelude to Science: An Exploration of Magic and Divination}}<br><br />
{{T|408041|Preserve and Protect}}<br><br />
{{T|1387844|Preternaturally Yours}}<br><br />
{{T|1102498|Princess of Darkness}}<br><br />
{{T|1089478|Projections: The Gilbert Williams 1979 Calendar}}<br><br />
{{T|525989|Prolongevity}}<br><br />
{{T|847353|Providence Island}}<br><br />
{{T|618157|Psycho}}<br><br />
{{T|1411662|Psychos}}<br><br />
{{T|862959|Pulphouse 2, Winter 1988}}<br><br />
{{T|1162487|Purpose of Evasion}}<br><br />
==Q-R==<br />
{{T|1094383|Quest for the Golden Sorcerer}}<br><br />
{{T|1102241|Quest's End}}<br><br />
{{T|1008416|R. A. Lafferty}}<br><br />
{{T|1166300|Radical Evolution}}<br><br />
{{T|1215959|Raped by the Devil}}<br><br />
{{T|166824|Raptors III}}<br><br />
{{T|1046925|Ray Bradbury on Stage}}<br><br />
{{T|609801|Ray Bradbury: The Martian Chronicles, read by Leonard Nimoy}}<br><br />
{{T|1185929|Realities of Space Travel}}<br><br />
{{T|1411006|Reality Forbidden}}<br><br />
{{T|1243211|Realms of Fantasy, April 2007}}<br><br />
{{T|1243208|Realms of Fantasy, February 2007}}<br><br />
{{T|1144380|Rebel Planet}}<br><br />
{{T|617373|Reference Guide to Fantastic Films, Vols. 1-3}}<br><br />
{{T|827650|Reference Guide to Fantastic Films: Science Fiction, Fantasy, and Horror}}<br><br />
{{T|1144376|Renegade}}<br><br />
{{T|1072894|Reprisal}}<br><br />
{{T|1156110|Requiem for a Rogue}}<br><br />
{{T|583865|Reverbstorm}}<br><br />
{{T|1415598|Reves de Gloire}} = novel published by L'Atalante, not entered yet<br><br />
{{T|995548|Review of How the Wizard Came to Oz . . .}}<br><br />
{{T|1008201|Review of Stephens' "Arabia Petraea"}}<br><br />
{{T|995547|Review of the Prometheus Project . . .}}<br><br />
{{T|583285|Rex Miller: The Complete Revelations}}<br><br />
{{T|1282873|Richard Matheson On Screen: A History of the Filmed Works}}<br><br />
{{T|989465|Rim of Fire}}<br><br />
{{T|965480|River of Death}}<br><br />
{{T|1082626|Riverside Quarterly Jan 1970}}<br><br />
{{T|1062553|Robert Bloch's Hell on Earth}}<br><br />
{{T|1314731|Robert E. Howard Fight Magazine #1}}<br><br />
{{T|1223435|Robert Silverberg Reads "To See the Invisible Man" and "Passengers"}}<br><br />
{{T|1144699|Robot Commando}}<br><br />
{{T|1215833|Robot-Bot-Bot}}<br><br />
{{T|1070242|Robotics}}<br><br />
{{T|1226251|Roderick, Vol 1}}<br><br />
{{T|560529|Rose of the Prophet}}<br><br />
{{T|194491|Roswell: Inconvenients Facts and the Will to Believe}}<br><br />
{{T|1368746|Rover's Tales}}<br><br />
{{T|1249771|Rubicon}}<br><br />
{{T|853153|Rudy Rucker's Cellular Automata Laboratory}}<br><br />
{{T|939823|Run for Blood}}<br><br />
{{T|930932|Russian Science in the 21st Century}}<br><br />
==S==<br />
{{T|159514|Sacrifice}}<br><br />
{{T|1072508|Saga of the Swamp Thing}}<br><br />
{{T|1160781|Sandman: Book of Dreams}}<br><br />
{{T|158817|Sandman: The Kindly Ones}}<br><br />
{{T|1160593|Sandman: The Kindly Ones}}<br><br />
{{T|1215053|Satanic Virgin}}<br><br />
{{T|921779|Schlock Mercenary: Under New Management}}<br><br />
{{T|1102497|Schooled by the Devil}}<br><br />
{{T|615077|Science Calendar 1976}}<br><br />
{{T|1083721|Science Fantasy 72}}<br><br />
{{T|1083723|Science Fantasy 73}}<br><br />
{{T|679013|Science Fantasy, November 1965}}<br><br />
{{T|678617|Science Fantasy, October 1965}}<br><br />
{{T|678613|Science Fantasy, September 1965}}<br><br />
{{T|1186694|Science Fiction #3}}<br><br />
{{T|401841|Science Fiction Calendar 1977}}<br><br />
{{T|812917|Science Fiction Comes to College}}<br><br />
{{T|1452629|Science Fiction Handbook, Revised}}<br><br />
{{T|807841|Science Fiction No-Frills Novel}}<br><br />
{{T|866372|Science Fiction Review}}<br><br />
{{T|1159153|Science Fiction Studies 91: The British SF Boom (Vol 30 Part 3 Nov 2003)}}<br><br />
{{T|924220|Science for the Citizen}}<br><br />
{{T|905853|Science, Evolution, and Creationism}}<br><br />
{{T|1226226|Science: Good, Bad and Bogus}}<br><br />
{{T|1257719|Scientific Wonders of the Atomic Age}}<br><br />
{{T|543881|Scientists At Work}}<br><br />
{{T|1410832|Scientology: The Now Religion}}<br><br />
{{T|1052039|Scream from Outer Space}}<br><br />
{{T|166112|Season X}}<br><br />
{{T|931065|Secrets of Space Flight}}<br><br />
{{T|1419439|Selected Letters 1931 - 1936}}<br><br />
{{T|974021|Selected Letters, 1929-1931}}<br><br />
{{T|1111864|Selected Poems}}<br><br />
{{T|1146729|Self Healing}}<br><br />
{{T|862899|Selling Science: How the Press Covers Science and Technology}}<br><br />
{{T|1249763|Sensing Others}}<br><br />
{{T|1065811|Seven Tomorrows}}<br><br />
{{T|1060202|SF Commentary Reprint Edition: First Year 1969}}<br><br />
{{T|1082600|SF Impulse 6}}<br><br />
{{T|1082601|SF Impulse 9}}<br><br />
{{T|159515|Shadow Games}}<br><br />
{{T|985971|Shared Fantasy: Role-Playing Games as Social Worlds}}<br><br />
{{T|1411696|Shella}}<br><br />
{{T|1447691|Si Mai Avait Gagné (If May Had Been Won)}}<br><br />
{{T|1148611|Sideshow: Kissinger, Nixon and the Destruction of Cambodia}}<br><br />
{{T|158821|Sierra Heaven}}<br><br />
{{T|1381977|Siezon tumanow}}<br><br />
{{T|1242450|Sight Unseen}}<br><br />
{{T|1144701|Silent Night: The Defeat of NATO}}<br><br />
{{T|123457|Silent Partners}}<br><br />
{{T|599817|Silver Scream}}<br><br />
{{T|1419216|Silver Scream: 40 Classic Horror Movies, Volume Two}}<br><br />
{{T|1249764|Sinning in Sevens}}<br><br />
{{T|1095554|SIOP}}<br><br />
{{T|576945|Skoob Directory of Secondhand Bookshops in the British Isles}}<br><br />
{{T|1308930|Slaughter House Magazine, Vol. 1, #3}}<br><br />
{{T|663293|Sleepless Dreams}}<br><br />
{{T|883463|Sojourn}}<br><br />
{{T|1332307|Soliton}}<br><br />
{{T|1411688|Some Days You Get the Bear}}<br><br />
{{T|1107782|Something New Under the Sun: An Environmental History of the Twentieth-Century World}}<br><br />
{{T|194048|Son of Darkness}}<br><br />
{{T|931673|Song of the Sky}}<br><br />
{{T|1382743|Song of the Sky}}<br><br />
{{T|1113640|Songs and Sonnets Atlantean, the Second Series}}<br><br />
{{T|1387799|Sorceries and Sorrows: Early Poems}}<br><br />
{{T|1162500|Soul/Mate}}<br><br />
{{T|1123015|Sound of Wonder: Interviews from "The Science Fiction Radio Show"}}<br><br />
{{T|980162|Soviet Literature, No. 2: Science Fiction of Today}}<br><br />
{{T|881155|Soviet Research on Gravitation}}<br><br />
{{T|847349|Soviet Writings on Earth Satellites and Space Travel}}<br><br />
{{T|842577|Space Age Terminology}}<br><br />
{{T|861924|Space Enterprise: Beyond Nasa}}<br><br />
{{T|875092|Space Processing, Products and Profits, 1983-1990}}<br><br />
{{T|1258079|Space Research and Exploration}}<br><br />
{{T|855656|Space Stations}}<br><br />
{{T|852557|Space Travel}}<br><br />
{{T|1146696|Spaceman}}<br><br />
{{T|1411692|Spark}}<br><br />
{{T|1215829|Special Effects, Vol 1}}<br><br />
{{T|1159803|Special Effects: The History and Technique}}<br><br />
{{T|991554|Specula: Selected Uncollected Poems: 1968-1993}}<br><br />
{{T|1373847|Spellbound 2011}}<br><br />
{{T|1226128|Splatter Movies}}<br><br />
{{T|1381975|Spotkanie w przestworzach. Antologia m&#322;odych '79}}<br><br />
{{T|1215960|Spread for Satan}}<br><br />
{{T|1428548|Squid Pulp Blues}}<br><br />
{{T|615069|Star Trek (Stardate) Calendar 1976}}<br><br />
{{T|427361|Star Trek Fotonovels}}<br><br />
{{T|1089517|Star Trek Intergalactic Puzzles}}<br><br />
{{T|161305|Star Trek: Captain's Logs: Supplemental}}<br><br />
{{T|1044698|Starclimber: The Literary Adventures and Autobiography of Raymond Z. Gallun}}<br><br />
{{T|942042|Starlog Photo Guidebook to Science Fiction Toys & Models, Volume 1}}<br><br />
{{T|602641|Starstream Numbers 1 - 4}}<br><br />
{{T|1422996|Steve Harrison's Casebook}}<br><br />
{{T|1146952|Steven Spielberg's Amazing Stories}}<br><br />
{{T|1188659|Sticks and Stones}}<br><br />
{{T|1419250|Still Missing}}<br><br />
{{T|837910|Stop Me Before I Do It Again!}}<br><br />
{{T|1243215|Strange Horizons, 12 February 2007}}<br><br />
{{T|1243216|Strange Horizons, 19 February 2007}}<br><br />
{{T|1411691|Strip Tease}}<br><br />
{{T|1338612|Studien des Todes}}<br><br />
{{T|1122833|Studies in Speculative Fantasy}}<br><br />
{{T|1313475|Studies in Weird Fiction #3}}<br><br />
{{T|1314105|Studies in Weird Fiction #4}}<br><br />
{{T|1314608|Studies in Weird Fiction 6}}<br><br />
{{T|1314809|Studies in Weird Fiction 7}}<br><br />
{{T|161034|Studies of Death}}<br><br />
{{T|639073|Sturgeon (audio recording)}}<br><br />
{{T|1411694|Summer of Fear}}<br><br />
{{T|1088701|Sun Sign Success}}<br><br />
{{T|855606|Sun, Sea and Sky}}<br><br />
{{T|1210742|Supernatural Fiction for Teens}}<br><br />
{{T|1121804|Supernatural Stories No. 20}}<br><br />
{{T|929767|Survival in the Sky}}<br><br />
{{T|938364|Swan Lake}}<br><br />
{{T|1226986|Syn-Code 7}}<br><br />
==T==<br />
{{T|647781|T.A.Z.: The Temporary Autonomous Zone, Ontological Anarchy, Poetic Terrorism}}<br><br />
{{T|1381976|Tak bardzo chcia&#322; by&#263; cz&#322;owiekiem}}<br><br />
{{T|609113|Talbot Mundy Biblio}}<br><br />
{{T|867284|Talbot Mundy Biblio}}<br><br />
{{T|1311688|Tales of Horror and Damnation #6}}<br><br />
{{T|1201435|Tales of Piracy, Crime and Ghosts}}<br><br />
{{T|1068154|Tales of the Ling Master}}<br><br />
{{T|1243070|Tales of the Night}}<br><br />
{{T|1113638|Tales of War}}<br><br />
{{T|1422997|Tales of Weird Menace}}<br><br />
{{T|1086993|Talisman of Death}}<br><br />
{{T|1092506|Tall, Dark and Gruesome}}<br><br />
{{T|940286|Tarzan and Tradition}}<br><br />
{{T|1065278|Tarzan and Tradition}}<br><br />
{{T|1135998|Tau #4}}<br><br />
{{T|1088012|Teacup Fortune-Telling}}<br><br />
{{T|864245|Temple of the Stars}}<br><br />
{{T|1405855|Tempting Providence and Other Stories}}<br><br />
{{T|921784|Ten Worlds: Everything that Orbits the Sun}}<br><br />
{{T|1322846|Tenebrous Tales}}<br><br />
{{T|1331045|TERRAsse - Das Begleitheft zum PENTA-CON '99}}<br><br />
{{T|1084956|Territories 2, 1992}}<br><br />
{{T|1451946|Terror Out of Time}}<br><br />
{{T|753213|Thanks to Inventors}}<br><br />
{{T|252381|The 1969 Britannica Yearbook of Science and the Future}}<br><br />
{{T|615061|The 1975 Kelly Freas Selections}}<br><br />
{{T|401831|The 1977 J. R. R. Tolkien Calendar}}<br><br />
{{T|976604|The 1984 Calendar: An American History}}<br><br />
{{T|1147009|The 1st Great Kids Activity Catalogue}}<br><br />
{{T|596789|The ABC of Relativity}}<br><br />
{{T|848241|The ABC of Relativity}}<br><br />
{{T|872541|The Adam Strange Archives, Volume 1}}<br><br />
{{T|1333920|The Adjustment Team: The Collected Stories of Philip K. Dick, Volume 2}}<br><br />
{{T|1160059|The Adventures of Cyclops and Phoenux}}<br><br />
{{T|1097902|The Adventures of Wally Dolphin}}<br><br />
{{T|166914|The Age of Discoveries}}<br><br />
{{T|1137512|The Airtight Garage}}<br><br />
{{T|1052144|The All-American Boys}}<br><br />
{{T|1215532|The Amazing Adventures of Flash Gordon, Vol 1.}}<br><br />
{{T|1215533|The Amazing Adventures of Flash Gordon, Vol 2.}}<br><br />
{{T|1215527|The Amazing Spider-Man}}<br><br />
{{T|1095366|The Ancient Magic of the Pyramids}}<br><br />
{{T|602633|The Apocalypse Papers}}<br><br />
{{T|639061|The Apocalypse Papers}}<br><br />
{{T|1161114|The Art of Queen: The Eye}}<br><br />
{{T|941074|The Art of Robert McCall: A Celebration of Our Future in Space}}<br><br />
{{T|1419232|The Art of Zombie Warfare}}<br><br />
{{T|1338877|The Atari Ecologues}}<br><br />
{{T|1159948|The Babylon Project}}<br><br />
{{T|938572|The Ballad of Biddy Early}}<br><br />
{{T|540293|The Ballad of Halo Jones, Bks 1, 2 and 3}}<br><br />
{{T|861996|The Bank Street Books of Science Fiction, Fantasy, Creepy Tales, and Mystery}}<br><br />
{{T|1095551|The Baroque Arsenal}}<br><br />
{{T|679369|The BASRA Journal, Vol. 1, No. 7}}<br><br />
{{T|768165|The Beekeeper's Apprentice}}<br><br />
{{T|929768|The Best American Short Stories: 1955}}<br><br />
{{T|253181|The Best From Fantasy and Science Fiction}}<br><br />
{{T|1316771|The Best from Fantasy and Science Fiction: Tenth Series}}<br><br />
{{T|1419233|The Best Horror of the Year, Volume 2}}<br><br />
{{T|1120765|The Best of Arthur C. Clarke}}<br><br />
{{T|1097382|The Bibliography of Crime Fiction, 1749-1975}}<br><br />
{{T|1419234|The Big Bang}}<br><br />
{{T|1229677|The Big Bang Never Happened}}<br><br />
{{T|851175|The Big Splat: or How Our Moon Came to Be}}<br><br />
{{T|1083555|The Bird of Paradise}}<br><br />
{{T|616913|The Birth of a Principality}}<br><br />
{{T|521965|The Black Box: Last Words from the Cockpit}}<br><br />
{{T|1160558|The Black Dragon}}<br><br />
{{T|1107802|The Blackwinged Night: Creativity in Nature and Mind}}<br><br />
{{T|1072834|The Blind Owl}}<br><br />
{{T|404161|The Blue Stone}}<br><br />
{{T|925810|The Body's Guest}}<br><br />
{{T|1332306|The Body's Last Days}}<br><br />
{{T|938366|The Bomb and the General}}<br><br />
{{T|965478|The Book of Runes}}<br><br />
{{T|938448|The Boy of the Three-Year Nap}}<br><br />
{{T|1065522|The Boy Who Discovered the Earth}}<br><br />
{{T|949769|The Bridge Between Truth/Death and Power/Knowledge: Ted Chiang's "72 Letters"}}<br><br />
{{T|854935|The Bull of Minos}}<br><br />
{{T|635669|The Burroughs Bulletin, No. 12}}<br><br />
{{T|1280889|The Butcher of Box Hill}}<br><br />
{{T|1068437|The Call of the Weird}}<br><br />
{{T|1073571|The Castle}}<br><br />
{{T|1427187|The Caterer #3}}<br><br />
{{T|548237|The Celtic Art Source Book}}<br><br />
{{T|1125410|The Celtic Art Source Book}}<br><br />
{{T|852750|The Challenge of Man's Future}}<br><br />
{{T|1411690|The Cheshire Moon}}<br><br />
{{T|604149|The Church Mice Spread Their Wings}}<br><br />
{{T|1147175|The City of Shadows 1}}<br><br />
{{T|1147176|The City of Shadows 2}}<br><br />
{{T|917621|The CoEvolution Quarterly}}<br><br />
{{T|1355817|The Collected Fantasies of Clark Ashton Smith, Volume 1 and 2}}<br><br />
{{T|1072844|The Collector}}<br><br />
{{T|1215395|The Comic Book PrIce Guide No. 9}}<br><br />
{{T|913011|The Coming of Stars: Rhysling Award Winners Showcase}}<br><br />
{{T|852564|The Coming of the Space Ships}}<br><br />
{{T|1387776|The Cosmic Cycle}}<br><br />
{{T|647837|The Cosmic Wisdom of Joe Bob Briggs}}<br><br />
{{T|666549|The Dark Other / The Undesired Princess}}<br><br />
{{T|1312992|The Death of a Gentleman: The Last Days of Howard Phillips Lovecraft}}<br><br />
{{T|1095549|The Death of Deterrence}}<br><br />
{{T|1035069|The Death of Rocketry}}<br><br />
{{T|917408|The Death of the Sun}}<br><br />
{{T|1061826|The Delights of Dread: Clive Barker's First Three Books of Blood}}<br><br />
{{T|1188499|The Development of Astronomical Thought}}<br><br />
{{T|1118979|The Devil is a Gentleman: The Life and Times of Dennis Wheatley}}<br><br />
{{T|1102493|The Devil's Torture}}<br><br />
{{T|1241850|The Difference Engine}} = DONE<br><br />
{{T|924977|The Discoveries: Great Breakthroughs in 20th Century Science}}<br><br />
{{T|617073|The Discovery of the Future: The Ways Science Fiction Developed}}<br><br />
{{T|1247490|The Divinity Student}}<br><br />
{{T|616329|The Dracula Book}}<br><br />
{{T|1151921|The Dreaming: Beyond the Shores of Night}}<br><br />
{{T|1106613|The Dumarest Companion}}<br><br />
{{T|1121050|The Dune Trilogy}}<br><br />
{{T|1418227|The Early del Rey Vol. 1}} = DONE<br><br />
{{T|1418228|The Early del Rey Vol. 2}} = DONE<br><br />
{{T|596825|The Earth Beneath the Sea}}<br><br />
{{T|1038460|The Eighth Day of Creation}}<br><br />
{{T|811241|The Electric Bibliograph, Part I: Clifford D. Simak}}<br><br />
{{T|1120769|The Encyclopaedia of Ignorance}}<br><br />
{{T|1411658|The Encyclopdia of Death}}<br><br />
{{T|615037|The English Dreaners}}<br><br />
{{T|902698|The Essential Users Guide to the IBM PC, XT and PC Jr.}}<br><br />
{{T|1226034|The Eureka Years}}<br><br />
{{T|1122638|The Evil 100: Fascinating True-Life Tales of Terror, Mayhem and Savagery}}<br><br />
{{T|859640|The Exploration of the Solar System}}<br><br />
{{T|1121052|The Eyes Trilogy}}<br><br />
{{T|162147|The Faber Book of Science}}<br><br />
{{T|1397568|The Fabulous Faust}}<br><br />
{{T|859642|The Face of the Earth}}<br><br />
{{T|866848|The Face on Mars: Evidence for a Lost Civilization?}}<br><br />
{{T|1427186|The Faggiest Vampire}}<br><br />
{{T|943129|The Female Approach}}<br><br />
{{T|1371755|The Ferret Chronicles: Air Ferrets Aloft}}<br><br />
{{T|1371757|The Ferret Chronicles: Rancher Ferrets on the Range}}<br><br />
{{T|1371754|The Ferret Chronicles: Rescue Ferrets at Sea}}<br><br />
{{T|1371756|The Ferret Chronicles: Writer Ferrets Chasing the Muse}}<br><br />
{{T|986138|The Films of Roger Corman: Brilliance on a Budget}}<br><br />
{{T|1095184|The Final Decade: Will We Survive the 1980s?}}<br><br />
{{T|1162515|The Final Friends Trilogy}}<br><br />
{{T|873739|The Firmament of Time}}<br><br />
{{T|218981|The Fitzgerald Report}}<br><br />
{{T|854933|The Fitzroy Jules Verne}}<br><br />
{{T|408081|The Floating Opera}}<br><br />
{{T|1314028|The Forbidden Room and How the Forbidden Room Happened}}<br><br />
{{T|856791|The Fossil Evidence for Human Evolution}}<br><br />
{{T|401821|The Frank Frazetta Calendar 1977}}<br><br />
{{T|166600|The Furies}}<br><br />
{{T|850254|The Future of Ideas: The Fate of the Commons in a Connected World}}<br><br />
{{T|1449260|The Game Is Altered}}<br><br />
{{T|880015|The Goblet Club}}<br><br />
{{T|864238|The Gods Unknown}}<br><br />
{{T|940771|The Gold of the Gods}}<br><br />
{{T|928803|The Golden Archer}}<br><br />
{{T|1323745|The Good Man Jesus and the Scoundrel Christ}}<br><br />
{{T|604537|The Grass Tower}}<br><br />
{{T|923142|The Great Flying Saucer Conspiracy}}<br><br />
{{T|940277|The Great Science Fiction Pictures}}<br><br />
{{T|1252054|The Green Plantations}}<br><br />
{{T|866374|The Gridley Wave and the Burroughs Bulletin}}<br><br />
{{T|1152850|The Guns of Valverde}}<br><br />
{{T|1314753|The H. P. Lovecraft 1987 Calendar}}<br><br />
{{T|1428552|The Haunted Vagina}}<br><br />
{{T|580149|The Heart of the Beast}}<br><br />
{{T|1123326|The Hitch-Hikers' Guide to the Universe}}<br><br />
{{T|609429|The Hobbit Calendar 1976}}<br><br />
{{T|864243|The Home of the Gods}}<br><br />
{{T|1405844|The Horror of the Heights and Other Strange Tales}}<br><br />
{{T|1244726|The Hounds of Heaven}}<br><br />
{{T|1278443|The Hungry Ghosts}}<br><br />
{{T|942608|The Hydrogen World View}}<br><br />
{{T|1089463|The Illustrated Edgar Allen Poe}}<br><br />
{{T|603097|The Illustrated Man read by Leonard Nimoy}}<br><br />
{{T|1266113|The Imaginal Rave}}<br><br />
{{T|526001|The Immortalist}}<br><br />
{{T|526005|The Immortalist}}<br><br />
{{T|857280|The Inner Metagalaxy}}<br><br />
{{T|1069765|The Inventions of Daedalus}}<br><br />
{{T|1067058|The Invisible Landscape}}<br><br />
{{T|984662|The James Bond Films: A Behind the Scenes History}}<br><br />
{{T|1120766|The Journey to the East}}<br><br />
{{T|927046|The Kensington Stone: A Mystery Solved}}<br><br />
{{T|1072829|The Killer Inside Me}}<br><br />
{{T|1261109|The Kingdom of Bones}}<br><br />
{{T|161101|The Kipton Chronicles}}<br><br />
{{T|1088239|The Kiss of Death}}<br><br />
{{T|1447686|The Late Great Creature}}<br><br />
{{T|1094322|The Lean Years: Politics in the Age of Scarcity}}<br><br />
{{T|1405845|The Legend of Sleepy Hollow and Other Macabre Tales}}<br><br />
{{T|1411672|The Life & Times of Captain N.}}<br><br />
{{T|881765|The Life Eaters}}<br><br />
{{T|917437|The Life-Extension Revolution}}<br><br />
{{T|1303700|The Little Sister}}<br><br />
{{T|1102436|The Lives of Stars}}<br><br />
{{T|1067059|The Living Aura}}<br><br />
{{T|414051|The Lord of the Rings 1977 Calendar}}<br><br />
{{T|1145712|The Lyric Return}}<br><br />
{{T|1319616|The Mabinogion}}<br><br />
{{T|1243209|The Magazine of Fantasy & Science Fiction, April 2007}}<br><br />
{{T|1243205|The Magazine of Fantasy & Science Fiction, May 2007}}<br><br />
{{T|1074171|The Magic Machine}}<br><br />
{{T|1068441|The Magical Life of Long Tack Sam}}<br><br />
{{T|1095122|The Making of the Second Cold War}}<br><br />
{{T|1411669|The Man Who Dreamt of Lobsters}}<br><br />
{{T|1186888|The Man Who Ran the Moon}}<br><br />
{{T|882766|The Manchurian Candidate}}<br><br />
{{T|1242451|The Marilyn Tapes}}<br><br />
{{T|1051285|The Marsian}}<br><br />
{{T|1086410|The Marvel Comics Guide to New York City}}<br><br />
{{T|1152217|The Marvelous Land of Oz}}<br><br />
{{T|1235159|The Matter Myth}}<br><br />
{{T|1061137|The Medea Hypothesis}}<br><br />
{{T|166828|The Metabarons, 1: Path of the Warrior}}<br><br />
{{T|166829|The Metabarons, 2: Blood and Steel}}<br><br />
{{T|859644|The Mysterious Earth}}<br><br />
{{T|1160573|The Mystery of Bill Bamm's Golfman from Mabbil}}<br><br />
{{T|1160284|The Mystic Arts of Erasing All Signs of Death}}<br><br />
{{T|1319613|The Neustrian Cycle}}<br><br />
{{T|163308|The New Adventures of Abraham Lincoln}}<br><br />
{{T|1425882|The New Devil's Dictionary}}<br><br />
{{T|1225702|The New Worlds of Robert A. Heinlein: Expanded Universe}}<br><br />
{{T|1062534|The Next Book of Omni Games}}<br><br />
{{T|1035055|The Next Whole Earth Catalog}}<br><br />
{{T|1188500|The Night Sky}}<br><br />
{{T|1125030|The Night-Farers}}<br><br />
{{T|1065630|The Null-A Worlds of A. E. van Vogt}} = DONE<br><br />
{{T|1089601|The Occult}}<br><br />
{{T|830798|The Old Men at the Zoo}}<br><br />
{{T|1065625|The Once and Future Arthur}}<br><br />
{{T|1146966|The Orbit Poster Book}}<br><br />
{{T|1248986|The Other Side of the Mirror}}<br><br />
{{T|582541|The Painted Bird}}<br><br />
{{T|957114|The Phantom's Phantom}}<br><br />
{{T|850407|The Physicists}}<br><br />
{{T|1405847|The Picture of Dorian Gray and Other Fantastic Tales}}<br><br />
{{T|857296|The Piltdown Forgery}}<br><br />
{{T|754197|The Pocket Guide to the Underwater World}}<br><br />
{{T|944016|The Pogo Sunday Book}}<br><br />
{{T|1038459|The Politics of Energy}}<br><br />
{{T|838829|The Politics of Experience}}<br><br />
{{T|1083554|The Politics of Experience}}<br><br />
{{T|985607|The Power of Iron Man: The Enemy Within}}<br><br />
{{T|861922|The Privileged Ape: Cultural Capital in the Making of Man}}<br><br />
{{T|868500|The Proceedings: Chicon III}}<br><br />
{{T|928653|The Prospects of Nuclear Power and Technology}}<br><br />
{{T|1397566|The Psychic World}}<br><br />
{{T|1262731|The Purple Armchair}}<br><br />
{{T|1088698|The Pursuit of Destiny}}<br><br />
{{T|1008203|The Quacks of Helicon—A Satire}}<br><br />
{{T|1236294|The Questers: A Mystery Novel}}<br><br />
{{T|869532|The Ray Bradbury Review}}<br><br />
{{T|936924|The Real Book About Space Travel}}<br><br />
{{T|1449627|The Reception of H. G. Wells in Europe}}<br><br />
{{T|1314639|The Recluse, 1927}}<br><br />
{{T|915439|The Red Limit}}<br><br />
{{T|857509|The Relaxed Sell}}<br><br />
{{T|873222|The Remains of an Altar}}<br><br />
{{T|1072797|The Revenger's Tragedy}}<br><br />
{{T|609793|The Rhymes and Runes of the Toad}}<br><br />
{{T|1230758|The Rise and Fall of the Third Chimpanzee}}<br><br />
{{T|1243434|The Rise of Cromwell Jones}}<br><br />
{{T|1095550|The Russian Threat: Its Myths and Realities}}<br><br />
{{T|1161119|The Sandman: The Wake}}<br><br />
{{T|1394714|The Saviors}}<br><br />
{{T|812509|The Science Fiction Design Coloring Book}}<br><br />
{{T|819037|The Science Fiction Hall of Fame: Volume Two}}<br><br />
{{T|851209|The Science Fiction Professional-Seven Years of "Ask Bwana" Columns}}<br><br />
{{T|1102435|The Science of Fear}}<br><br />
{{T|1281773|The Scream Queen's Survival Guide}}<br><br />
{{T|1405842|The Screaming Skull and Other Classic Horror Stories}}<br><br />
{{T|1308408|The Second Book of Rimel}}<br><br />
{{T|1147075|The Second Oldest Profession}}<br><br />
{{T|931354|The Secret of the Hittites}}<br><br />
{{T|865092|The Secular Grail: Paradigms of Perception}}<br><br />
{{T|1023180|The Selected Short Stories of Robert Bloch}}<br><br />
{{T|1113470|The Selected Stories of Manly Wade Wellman}}<br><br />
{{T|1073637|The Sending}}<br><br />
{{T|1165757|The Seven Basic Plots: Why We Tell Stories}}<br><br />
{{T|1281157|The Seven Beauties of Science Fiction}} = DONE<br><br />
{{T|1411697|The Shark Invested Custard}}<br><br />
{{T|873505|The Short Fiction of Ambrose Bierce: A Comprehensive Edition}}<br><br />
{{T|1106631|The Shriek of Divinity}}<br><br />
{{T|1411675|The Shrine at Altamira}}<br><br />
{{T|1143828|The Skull of Agarash}}<br><br />
{{T|1068068|The Sorcerer Departs: Clark Ashton Smith (1893-1961)}}<br><br />
{{T|708489|The Sound of Wonder: Interviews from "The Science Fiction Radio Show", Volumes I and II}}<br><br />
{{T|755585|The Space Encyclopaedia: A Guide to Astronomy and Space Research}}<br><br />
{{T|1258078|The Space Encyclopedia}}<br><br />
{{T|1410834|The Space Novels of Jules Verne. Vol. One and Vol. Two}}<br><br />
{{T|1314207|The Spectre #1}}<br><br />
{{T|1249919|The Spiritual Meadow}}<br><br />
{{T|1069398|The State-of-the-Art Robot Catalog}}<br><br />
{{T|1162502|The Stephen King Quiz Book}}<br><br />
{{T|1140649|The Stephen King Quizbook}}<br><br />
{{T|879042|The Steranko History of Comics}}<br><br />
{{T|1072816|The Stranger}}<br><br />
{{T|855604|The Sun and the Earth as a Planet}}<br><br />
{{T|160394|The Tale of the Eternal Champion, Vol 2}}<br><br />
{{T|1072832|The Talented Mr. Ripley}}<br><br />
{{T|1066344|The Tangled Wing}}<br><br />
{{T|1135932|The Tasks of Tantalon}}<br><br />
{{T|1138216|The Tears of the Singers}}<br><br />
{{T|1113344|The Terror in the Night}}<br><br />
{{T|867421|The Testimony of the Spade}}<br><br />
{{T|859643|The Third Force}}<br><br />
{{T|1027629|The Third Mind}}<br><br />
{{T|938365|The Three Astronauts}}<br><br />
{{T|631177|The Time Machine & The War of the Worlds}}<br><br />
{{T|1135973|The Tolkien Calendar}}<br><br />
{{T|1411703|The Tome}}<br><br />
{{T|938268|The Town of a Magic Dream}}<br><br />
{{T|1257831|The Trembling Tower}}<br><br />
{{T|582433|The Trial}}<br><br />
{{T|1073570|The Trial}}<br><br />
{{T|1066923|The Tricentennial Report: Letters from America}}<br><br />
{{T|162148|The Trouble with Science}}<br><br />
{{T|166472|The Twilight Zone Scripts}}<br><br />
{{T|904462|The UFO Encyclopedia}}<br><br />
{{T|866504|The ULTIMATE Dangerous Visions}}<br><br />
{{T|923081|The Universe Next Door: The Making of Tomorrow's Science}}<br><br />
{{T|663489|The Universe We Live In}}<br><br />
{{T|1063691|The Untamed}}<br><br />
{{T|842098|The Velikovsky Affair}}<br><br />
{{T|1092461|The Velikovsky Affair}}<br><br />
{{T|1102858|The Vertical Plane}}<br><br />
{{T|1164211|The Vesuvius Club Graphic Edition}}<br><br />
{{T|1314737|The Vivisector}}<br><br />
{{T|161418|The Vonnegut Chronicles: Interviews and Essays (Edited by Peter J.Reed & Marc Leeds)}}<br><br />
{{T|1415599|The Voodoo Quantum Leap}}<br><br />
{{T|1282181|The Wake}}<br><br />
{{T|1314108|The Weirdbook Sampler}}<br><br />
{{T|1226174|The Wellsian}}<br><br />
{{T|1229272|The White Book}}<br><br />
{{T|166178|The Wide Window}}<br><br />
{{T|159430|The Wind After War}}<br><br />
{{T|1251967|The Winter Inside}}<br><br />
{{T|414031|The Witch Book}}<br><br />
{{T|1145713|The Wizard's Trade and Other Poems}}<br><br />
{{T|903313|The Works of Philip K. Dick}}<br><br />
{{T|615065|The Worlds of Fantasy Calendar 1976}}<br><br />
{{T|1160690|The X-Files: Dead to the World}}<br><br />
{{T|1149538|The XXXX Files}}<br><br />
{{T|1126524|The Yattering and Jack (Adapted by Steve Niles, Fred Burke, John Bolton, Hector Gomez)}}<br><br />
{{T|1249894|The Year's Best Science Fiction 2001}}<br><br />
{{T|938257|The Z Was Zapped}}<br><br />
{{T|1419255|The Zombie Combat Manual}}<br><br />
{{T|1230757|Theories of Everything}}<br><br />
{{T|927381|They Rode in Space Ships}}<br><br />
{{T|1405858|They That Dwell in Dark Places}}<br><br />
{{T|920726|They Walk Again}}<br><br />
{{T|1427193|This City is Alive}}<br><br />
{{T|776781|This New Ocean}}<br><br />
{{T|957501|Threat of the Atom War (Der Atomkrieg findet nicht statt)(German PR#21)}}<br><br />
{{T|601921|Three-Fisted Tales of "Bob"}}<br><br />
{{T|159508|Throat Sprockets}}<br><br />
{{T|1322834|Throne of Lies}}<br><br />
{{T|942822|Tides and the Pull of the Moon}}<br><br />
{{T|603449|Time Explorers, Inc.}}<br><br />
{{T|1144700|Titan: The Fighting Fantasy World}}<br><br />
{{T|1411693|To Die For}}<br><br />
{{T|1162493|To Speak for the Dead}}<br><br />
{{T|1314070|To the Recipient of This Volume}}<br><br />
{{T|1314605|To Yith and Beyond}}<br><br />
{{T|857515|Tomorrow Is Already Here}}<br><br />
{{T|874755|Towards a Unified Cosmology}}<br><br />
{{T|1203615|Tower in the Crooked Wood}}<br><br />
{{T|933184|Tracerlab (Catalog)}}<br><br />
{{T|582501|Track of the Cat}}<br><br />
{{T|194072|Transmetropolitan}}<br><br />
{{T|1095100|Traque-La-Mort}} = DONE<br><br />
{{T|1132233|Treasure}}<br><br />
{{T|1095610|Trident: Britain's Independent Arms Race}}<br><br />
{{T|1302452|Trillion Year Spree: A Review}}<br><br />
{{T|1419251|Trust Me}}<br><br />
{{T|920729|Try Another World}}<br><br />
{{T|1122863|Tune In for Pain}}<br><br />
{{T|343411|Turing and the Computer}}<br><br />
{{T|160328|Twelve}}<br><br />
{{T|1314201|Twentieth Century Literary Criticism 30}}<br><br />
{{T|1312886|Twentieth Century Literary Criticism, vol. 22}}<br><br />
{{T|1186693|Twentieth-Century American Science Fiction Writers: Dictionary of Literary Biography: Volume 8, Part 1 and 2}}<br><br />
{{T|1160617|Twister: The Screenplay}}<br><br />
<br />
==U-V==<br />
{{T|1229676|Unbounding the Future}}<br><br />
{{T|1314959|Uncollected Prose and Poetry}}<br><br />
{{T|1314985|Uncollected Prose and Poetry II}}<br><br />
{{T|352161|Under Cover of Darkness}}<br><br />
{{T|1447149|Under the Moons of Mars}} = DONE<br><br />
{{T|1230806|Underworld}}<br><br />
{{T|865095|Unnatural History: True Manitoba Mysteries}}<br><br />
{{T|1078993|Unnnatural Acts}}<br><br />
{{T|1419252|Untcigahunk: The Complete Little Brothers}}<br><br />
{{T|1087969|Uranium and Atomic Power}}<br><br />
{{T|1074403|Vampires, Burial, and Death}}<br><br />
{{T|758781|Van Nostrand's Scientific Encyclopedia}}<br><br />
{{T|868452|Vanishing Life: The Mystery of Extinctions}}<br><br />
{{T|1226794|Vautours}} = DONE<br><br />
{{T|1089603|Velikovsky Reconsidered}}<br><br />
{{T|1051998|Venus Speaks}}<br><br />
{{T|1412426|Viking Expansion Westwards}}<br><br />
{{T|1411684|Vindication}}<br><br />
{{T|1411666|Violence}}<br><br />
{{T|462781|Viper Three}}<br><br />
{{T|1224597|Virgin Finlay Remembered}}<br><br />
{{T|1089473|Visions Calendar 1979}}<br><br />
{{T|1089371|Visions I}}<br><br />
{{T|166837|Voice from the Edge, Volume 1: I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream (Audio)}}<br><br />
{{T|166838|Voice from the Edge, Volume ?: Midnight in the Sunken Cathedral (Audio)}}<br><br />
{{T|836271|Volume Five}}<br><br />
{{T|161128|Volume One: The Collected Ellison}}<br><br />
{{T|1095093|Vue En Coupe D'Une Ville Malade}} = published by denoel, not yet entered<br><br />
{{T|1338616|Völker der Sonne}}<br><br />
==W-Z==<br />
{{T|1095548|War Plan UK}}<br><br />
{{T|1088208|War Stars: The Superweapon and the American Imagination}}<br><br />
{{T|1224103|War World: Discovery}}<br><br />
{{T|1135988|Watching the Watchmen}}<br><br />
{{T|864242|We Are Not the First}}<br><br />
{{T|194016|What Did Miss Darrington See?}}<br><br />
{{T|851195|What Does a Martian Look Like? The Science of Extraterrestrial Life}}<br><br />
{{T|1261567|What Technology Wants}}<br><br />
{{T|1296978|When the Killing's Done}}<br><br />
{{T|1331047|When the Music's Over}}<br><br />
{{T|873232|Where the Woodbine Twines}}<br><br />
{{T|1313314|Whipple V. Phillips and the Owyhee Land and Irrigation Company}}<br><br />
{{T|1148607|Who Goes There? The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe}}<br><br />
{{T|938570|Why There is No Arguing in Heaven}}<br><br />
{{T|1419199|Wicked Plants: The Weed That Killed Lincoln's Mother and Other Botanical Atrocities}}<br><br />
{{T|1182836|Wild Turkey}}<br><br />
{{T|1322847|Wine and Rank Poison}}<br><br />
{{T|1274404|Wishes and Fears}}<br><br />
{{T|1419253|Within His Reach}}<br><br />
{{T|1314027|Within the Circle, In Memoriam: Franklin Lee Baldwin, 1913-1987}}<br><br />
{{T|1089376|Wizardry and Wild Romance Calendar 1978}}<br><br />
{{T|1226857|Womanspace}}<br><br />
{{T|1089943|Women & Performance: A Journal of Feminist Theory}}<br><br />
{{T|1258085|Wonderama}}<br><br />
{{T|1192136|Wookiee-Ookies}}<br><br />
{{T|160334|World Brain}}<br><br />
{{T|596833|World in Crisis}}<br><br />
{{T|1455877|World of Faerie}}<br><br />
{{T|937133|Worlds in Small}}<br><br />
{{T|1123565|Writers of the Future}}<br><br />
{{T|1073540|Wuthering Heights}}<br><br />
{{T|1064751|Yorick Fantasy Magazine, November 1990 - March 1991}}<br><br />
{{T|1064752|Yorick Fantasy Magazine, October 1991 - January 1992}}<br><br />
{{T|1064753|Yorick Fantasy Magazine, September 1992 - March 1993}}<br><br />
{{T|904461|You Cannot Die}}<br><br />
{{T|753209|Your Trip into Space}}<br><br />
{{T|1199201|Yours, Isaac Asimov}}<br><br />
{{T|1381974|Zaczarowana gra}}<br><br />
{{T|873502|Zencore!}}<br><br />
{{T|1381978|Zwiozdnyje do&#380;di}}<br><br />
{{T|1338622|Zwischen den Atomen}}<br><br />
{{T|1120101|_Amazing_ Vol 50, Issue 1}}<br></div>DESiegel60https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=ISFDB:Unlinked_Reviews&diff=280267ISFDB:Unlinked Reviews2012-07-21T19:13:12Z<p>DESiegel60: remaining sections</p>
<hr />
<div>==A==<br />
{{T|1303721|As in Ancient Days: Tales of Zothique & The Book of Hyperborea}}<br><br />
{{T|601925|Bob's Favorite Comics}}<br><br />
{{T|1314101|Eleusinia and "Beneath the Barley"}}<br><br />
{{T|1217128|First Session}}<br><br />
{{T|1303710|How Modern Horror Was Born: Tales of the Dead: The Ghost Stories of the Villa Deodati}}<br><br />
{{T|1217126|The Dream That Became Deryni}}<br><br />
{{T|1217129|The Examen}}<br><br />
{{T|1303728|When the Chill Sets In: Night Relics & Winter Tides}}<br><br />
{{T|1380875|&#346;ledztwo / Katar}}<br><br />
{{T|166811|... is this a cat?}}<br><br />
{{T|1313200|13 Short Horror Novels}}<br><br />
{{T|973493|1984 and Beyond}}<br><br />
{{T|603105|2001: A Space Odyssey read by Arthur C. Clarke}}<br><br />
{{T|885555|2012}}<br><br />
{{T|166836|A Boy and His Dog, plus "Repent, Harlequin!" Said the Ticktockman (Audio)}}<br><br />
{{T|938264|A Bruce Boston Omnibus}}<br><br />
{{T|563641|A Celebration of Writing}}<br><br />
{{T|944017|A Century of Punch Cartoons}}<br><br />
{{T|1082681|A Checklist of SF Paperbacks in Print in Jan 1966}}<br><br />
{{T|920727|A Comet Strikes the Earth}}<br><br />
{{T|602849|A Coven of Witches Tales told by Vincent Price}}<br><br />
{{T|1405200|A Fekete Kalóz}}<br><br />
{{T|935791|A Gude to the Moon}}<br><br />
{{T|857049|A Guide to the Planets}}<br><br />
{{T|1356299|A Hatful of Sky}}<br><br />
{{T|161423|A History of Violence}}<br><br />
{{T|603101|A Hornbook for Witches read by Vincent Price}}<br><br />
{{T|1095101|A L'Image du Dragon}} = DONE<br><br />
{{T|596841|A Pictorial Anthology of Witchcraft, Magic and Alchemy}}<br><br />
{{T|1121048|A Pictorial Biography}}<br><br />
{{T|1303438|A Pound of Paper}}<br><br />
{{T|995546|A Review of Chrysalis}}<br><br />
{{T|1419218|A Rhapsody for the Eternal}}<br><br />
{{T|1211181|A Screenplay}}<br><br />
{{T|1072893|A Sight for Sore Eyes}}<br><br />
{{T|873497|A Study of Destiny}}<br><br />
{{T|1381979|A&#322;maz Szach}}<br><br />
{{T|947932|AB to Zogg}}<br><br />
{{T|851211|Adaptive Technologies for Learning & Work Environments, 2nd ed.}}<br><br />
{{T|882773|Advise and Consent}}<br><br />
{{T|880643|African Genesis}}<br><br />
{{T|1044749|After All These Years...}}<br><br />
{{T|1405838|Against Religion: The Atheist Writings of H. P. Lovecraft}}<br><br />
{{T|1092469|Ages in Chaos (Volume 1)}}<br><br />
{{T|981115|Ailleurs & Autres}} = NOT DOABLE (A&A is the title of a french fanzine)<br><br />
{{T|1316696|Aklo: A Journal of the Fantastic #1}}<br><br />
{{T|944015|Al Capp's Bald Iggle}}<br><br />
{{T|1117781|Alan Moore Spells It Out}}<br><br />
{{T|1261117|Alex Unlimited: The Vosarak Code}}<br><br />
{{T|853099|Algorithm}}<br><br />
{{T|1280920|Alice on the Shelf}}<br><br />
{{T|1121528|Alien Issue 1}}<br><br />
{{T|1338618|Alien-Lexikon}}<br><br />
{{T|1161118|Aliens: Genocide}}<br><br />
{{T|1161120|Aliens: Labyrinth}}<br><br />
{{T|1026287|Allira's Gift}}<br><br />
{{T|1356152|Alternative Godzillas: A Sound of Thunder}}<br><br />
{{T|1044750|Amber Diceless Role-Playing}}<br><br />
{{T|911785|America as Second Creation: Technology and Narratives of New Beginnings}}<br><br />
{{T|462621|American Film Genres: Approaches to a Critical Theory of Popular Film}}<br><br />
{{T|1411687|Among the Dead}}<br><br />
{{T|1411668|Among the Thuds}}<br><br />
{{T|866373|Amra}}<br><br />
{{T|850796|An Author Index to Astounding/Analog: Part II—Vol. 36, #1, September, 1945 to Vol. 73 #3, May, 1964}}<br><br />
{{T|1312994|An Epistle to Francis, Ld. Belknap}}<br><br />
{{T|1312993|An Epistle to the Rt. Honble Maurice Winter Moe, Esq.}}<br><br />
{{T|1215830|An Hour with Isaac Asimov: "Building a Firm Foundation"}}<br><br />
{{T|1121031|An Introduction to Elvish}}<br><br />
{{T|1257730|An Introduction to Rockets and Space Flight}}<br><br />
{{T|1215817|An Introduction to the J. Lloyd Eaton Collection of Science Fiction and Fantasy}}<br><br />
{{T|1445221|Analog 8}} = DONE<br><br />
{{T|1447146|Analog 8}}= DONE<br><br />
{{T|1243212|Analog Science Fiction and Fact, April 2007}}<br><br />
{{T|850667|Ancient Ruins and Archaeology}}<br><br />
{{T|1276247|Animal Treasure}}<br><br />
{{T|1323754|Anniversaries: The Write Fantastic}}<br><br />
{{T|1257718|Another Tree in Eden}}<br><br />
{{T|160973|Apocalypse Culture}}<br><br />
{{T|1314614|Arkham House 1939-1989}}<br><br />
{{T|1303436|Arthur C. Clarke and Lord Dunsany: A Correspondence}}<br><br />
{{T|871002|Artificial Earth Satellites}}<br><br />
{{T|1411701|As the Canary Goes By}}<br><br />
{{T|1243206|Asimov's Science Fiction, April-May 2007}}<br><br />
{{T|1243210|Asimov's Science Fiction, April-May 2007}}<br><br />
{{T|1428547|Asphalt Flowerhead}}<br><br />
{{T|919639|Assault on Mars}}<br><br />
{{T|1008204|Astoria}}<br><br />
{{T|775097|Astronomy}}<br><br />
{{T|1243487|At the Caligula Hotel}}<br><br />
{{T|753981|Atomic Energy}}<br><br />
{{T|873527|Audiovile}}<br><br />
{{T|1095095|Ausii Lourd Que Le Vent}}<br><br />
{{T|1121615|Author's Work Listings 1 & 2}}<br><br />
{{T|1311793|Autobiographical Memoir}}<br><br />
{{T|1282875|Autumn: The City}}<br><br />
<br />
==B==<br />
{{T|866507|Babbitt&#8217;s Dilemma}}<br><br />
{{T|1160060|Babylon 5}}<br><br />
{{T|993891|Back Cover Book Review: The New AToms' Bombshell}}<br><br />
{{T|1323749|Back to the Middle of Nowhere}}<br><br />
{{T|1181698|Bad Girls Do It!}}<br><br />
{{T|1121485|BASRA Journal vol 1 no 4}}<br><br />
{{T|159518|Batman Forever}}<br><br />
{{T|159519|Batman Knightfall}}<br><br />
{{T|1160097|Batman vs. Predator 2: Bloodmatch}}<br><br />
{{T|1156109|Batman: Anarky}}<br><br />
{{T|1160098|Batman: The Last Arkham}}<br><br />
{{T|1203572|Battlestar Galactica and Philosophy}}<br><br />
{{T|1440546|Beast}}<br><br />
{{T|938447|Beauties, Beasts, and Enchantments: Classic French Fairy Tales}}<br><br />
{{T|1102492|Begotten of the Demon}}<br><br />
{{T|847348|Behind the Sputniks}}<br><br />
{{T|1331044|Bekanntlich}}<br><br />
{{T|1102499|Beloved of Satan}}<br><br />
{{T|1123690|Best New Science Fiction}}<br><br />
{{T|1089531|Best Science Fiction of the Year: 1 Part One}}<br><br />
{{T|1092477|Best Science Fiction of the Year: 1 Part Two}}<br><br />
{{T|917409|Beyond the Four Dimensions}}<br><br />
{{T|930410|Beyond the Reach of Sense}}<br><br />
{{T|1065225|Black Diamonds}}<br><br />
{{T|1062427|Black Holes}}<br><br />
{{T|1411680|Black Water}}<br><br />
{{T|1373790|Blind Hunger}}<br><br />
{{T|159513|Blood Moon}}<br><br />
{{T|166586|Boneyard Volume One}}<br><br />
{{T|1398255|Book Of Dark Wisdom}}<br><br />
{{T|1241122|Books: To Russia With Love}}<br><br />
{{T|616921|Boris Karloff and His Films}}<br><br />
{{T|1062556|Bradbury 13}}<br><br />
{{T|1072975|Breakout into Space}}<br><br />
{{T|1311687|Brian Lumley: A New Bibliography}}<br><br />
{{T|583833|Brief Lives}}<br><br />
{{T|1226453|Brimmed Hat with Flowers}}<br><br />
{{T|1366597|British Science Fiction Cinema}}<br><br />
{{T|905241|Broca's Brain - Reflections on the Romance of Science}}<br><br />
{{T|1228247|Buck Rogers: 25th Century A.D.}}<br><br />
{{T|1165576|Buddha: Ananda}}<br><br />
{{T|1165575|Buddha: Deer Park}}<br><br />
{{T|1165573|Buddha: Devadatta}}<br><br />
{{T|1165578|Buddha: Jetavana}}<br><br />
{{T|1165577|Buddha: Prince Ajatasattu}}<br><br />
{{T|1165574|Buddha: The Forest of Uruvela}}<br><br />
{{T|1164617|Buddha: The Four Encounters (Volume 2)}}<br><br />
{{T|1411681|Buffalo Soldiers}}<br><br />
{{T|1211211|Building Sci-Fi Moviescapes}}<br><br />
{{T|1435518|By Other Mean}}<br><br />
{{T|1106619|By-Ways on the Shining Path}}<br><br />
==C==<br />
{{T|949753|Can a TV Tie-In Novel Achieve Excellence? Jeanne Cavelos' The Passing of the Techno-Mages}}<br><br />
{{T|1434849|Captain Future series}}<br><br />
{{T|760461|Cartoon Laffs from True}}<br><br />
{{T|1386304|Catamount Press, a poem sampling}}<br><br />
{{T|1451943|Celtia: Fantasy Drawings in the Celtic Style}}<br><br />
{{T|930411|Challenge of Psychical Research}}<br><br />
{{T|886796|Chariots of the Gods}}<br><br />
{{T|864234|Chariots of the Gods?}}<br><br />
{{T|1419215|Chasing the Dragon}}<br><br />
{{T|201241|Check List of Fantastic Novels}}<br><br />
{{T|1411677|Child of God}}<br><br />
{{T|1161202|Childhood Ends}}<br><br />
{{T|938339|Chronicles of the Mutant Rain Forest}}<br><br />
{{T|1086906|Cinefan 3}}<br><br />
{{T|1123432|Citador}}<br><br />
{{T|1313199|Clark Ashton Smith: Letters to H. P. Lovecraft}}<br><br />
{{T|1144693|Clash of the Princes}}<br><br />
{{T|1160061|Classic Star Wars: Book 2}}<br><br />
{{T|1160062|Classic Star Wars: Book 3}}<br><br />
{{T|1419208|Classics and Contemporaries}}<br><br />
{{T|1229096|Classics and Contemporaries: Some Notes on Horror Fiction}}<br><br />
{{T|1125816|Clive Barker's Nightbreed}}<br><br />
{{T|1097267|Close Encounters of the Third Kind 1979 UFO Calendar}}<br><br />
{{T|1097268|Close Encounters of the Third Kind Portfolio}}<br><br />
{{T|1092220|Code and Other Laws of Cyberspace}}<br><br />
{{T|873220|Collected Essays}}<br><br />
{{T|1313474|Collected Poems}}<br><br />
{{T|408121|Collected Works, Volume One}}<br><br />
{{T|839035|Colony: Earth}}<br><br />
{{T|583281|Comic Book Rebels}}<br><br />
{{T|1201433|Conquetes}}<br><br />
{{T|1148613|Conspiracy: Who Killed the President?}}<br><br />
{{T|617369|Contes de Terreur}} = book is part of the OPTA CLAF series, not entered yet.<br><br />
{{T|576517|Convention Annual No. 3. Discon edition}}<br><br />
{{T|1428545|Cosmetica}}<br><br />
{{T|1072780|Cosmic Joy and Local Pain}}<br><br />
{{T|1188501|Cosmologies of Consciousness}}<br><br />
{{T|935497|Countdown to Apocalypse: Asteroids, Tidal Waves and the End of the World}}<br><br />
{{T|1356302|Coyote & Coyote Rising}}<br><br />
{{T|1066742|Creating Peace}}<br><br />
{{T|1146727|Creature of Havoc}}<br><br />
{{T|544833|Crime and Mystery: The 100 Best Books}}<br><br />
{{T|166107|Crimewave 4: Mood Indigo}}<br><br />
{{T|166175|Crimewave 5: Dark Before Dawn}}<br><br />
{{T|1419238|Crossed}}<br><br />
{{T|1146901|Crypt of the Sorceror}}<br><br />
{{T|882703|Cybernetics}}<br><br />
{{T|920966|Cybernetics}}<br><br />
{{T|832160|Cybertexts}}<br><br />
==D==<br />
{{T|1092505|Dali}}<br><br />
{{T|1026280|Dalton Quayle Rides Out}}<br><br />
{{T|1113377|Damned If You Do}}<br><br />
{{T|408061|Dance of the Dwarfs}}<br><br />
{{T|1244006|Dancing in Circles}}<br><br />
{{T|1145711|Dark Words, Gentle Sounds}}<br><br />
{{T|873233|Dead of Winter}}<br><br />
{{T|1419230|Death Mask}}<br><br />
{{T|1200933|Decline of the Pulps}}<br><br />
{{T|1066345|Deep Space}}<br><br />
{{T|1160058|Deep Space Nine, Star Trek The Next Generation: The Landmark Crossover}}<br><br />
{{T|1313204|Deep Things Out of Darkness}}<br><br />
{{T|1215052|Demon Bitch's Punishment}}<br><br />
{{T|1338614|Der 7. Schrein}}<br><br />
{{T|1338621|Der Klang der Stille}}<br><br />
{{T|1226135|Der Pflanzen Heiland}}<br><br />
{{T|1331050|Der Tag des silbernen Tieres}}<br><br />
{{T|934370|Design for Decision}}<br><br />
{{T|837517|Designing the Future, the Role of Technological Forecasting}}<br><br />
{{T|917620|Destinies}}<br><br />
{{T|1215957|Devil's Handmaiden}}<br><br />
{{T|1102496|Devil's Incest Daughter}}<br><br />
{{T|1215958|Devil's Sex Slaves}}<br><br />
{{T|1411011|Dimensions Beyond the Known}}<br><br />
{{T|857279|Discovery of the Universe}}<br><br />
{{T|1419200|Dissection: Photographs of a Rite of Passage in American Medicine, 1880-1930}}<br><br />
{{T|1202230|Diverse books}}<br><br />
{{T|860470|Divine Intervention}}<br><br />
{{T|981266|Doctor Who Monthly}}<br><br />
{{T|1086978|Dodecahedron (1986 Fantasy Calendar)}}<br><br />
{{T|1151768|Dr Tim (Book One)}}<br><br />
{{T|166933|Dr. No}}<br><br />
{{T|1405846|Dracula's Guest and Other Tales of Horror}}<br><br />
{{T|1419241|Draculas}}<br><br />
{{T|1106622|Dragon Hunt Through Avalon}}<br><br />
{{T|1126514|Dragonflight (Adapted by Brynne Stephens, Lela Dowling, Cynthia Martin, Fred Von Tobel)}}<br><br />
{{T|1188345|Dreadmaster, Book One of the Storm of Wings Trilogy}}<br><br />
{{T|159521|Dreams of Decadence}}<br><br />
{{T|1159789|Dreamsongs}}<br><br />
{{T|1163035|Drek Yarman}}<br><br />
{{T|1380876|Druga jesie&#324;}}<br><br />
{{T|194050|Dujonian's Hoard}}<br><br />
{{T|615029|Dulac}}<br><br />
{{T|1174001|Duplicating Notes}}<br><br />
==E==<br />
{{T|679373|E. C. Tubb - An Evaluation}}<br><br />
{{T|955894|Earth in Turmoil}}<br><br />
{{T|1052241|Earth Satellite}}<br><br />
{{T|867427|Earth Satellites}}<br><br />
{{T|992494|Earth™}}<br><br />
{{T|609241|Edgar Rice Burroughs Biblio}}<br><br />
{{T|857646|Edgar Rice Burroughs Biblio}}<br><br />
{{T|867283|Edgar Rice Burroughs Biblio}}<br><br />
{{T|1078992|Edward Lee's Quest for Sex, Truth and Reality}}<br><br />
{{T|940280|Eglerio! In Praise of Tolkien}}<br><br />
{{T|730725|Eight Hundred Leagues on the Amazon}}<br><br />
{{T|213901|Ein Moderner Mythus}}<br><br />
{{T|343401|Einstein and Relativity}}<br><br />
{{T|1338625|Eisblutgeschichten}}<br><br />
{{T|1204612|Elementarteilchen}}<br><br />
{{T|1282877|Elements of the Apocalypse}}<br><br />
{{T|1186686|Ellison Reads Ellison}}<br><br />
{{T|166161|Elric}}<br><br />
{{T|194051|En Garde}}<br><br />
{{T|1160635|Enchantment's Edge}}<br><br />
{{T|1089320|Encyclopaedia of Prophecy}}<br><br />
{{T|758497|Encyclopedia Americana}}<br><br />
{{T|892345|Energy Victory}}<br><br />
{{T|1143796|Engineer Garin and His Death Ray}}<br><br />
{{T|1104317|Engines of Tomorrow}}<br><br />
{{T|915224|Enterprise}}<br><br />
{{T|1071608|Envoys of Mankind}}<br><br />
{{T|1256635|Escape to Venus}}<br><br />
{{T|927047|ESP and Personality Patterns}}<br><br />
{{T|992396|Essential Software for Writers}}<br><br />
{{T|1311917|Etchings and Odysseys #6}}<br><br />
{{T|1165145|Eternal Vigilance}}<br><br />
{{T|1117778|Etiquette With Your Robot Wife And Thirty More SF/F/H Lists}}<br><br />
{{T|1196340|Evenings with Demons}}<br><br />
{{T|1419243|Evil Spine-Tingling True Stories of Murder and Mayhem}}<br><br />
{{T|732137|Evolution in Action}}<br><br />
{{T|859506|Exotic Zoology}}<br><br />
{{T|785829|Exploring Space With a Camera}}<br><br />
{{T|1411673|Exposure}}<br><br />
{{T|1226852|Extro}}<br><br />
{{T|1092471|Eyes of Laura Mars}}<br><br />
==F==<br />
{{T|883464|Fables}}<br><br />
{{T|602785|Faces in the Flames}}<br><br />
{{T|1061456|Facts and Fallacies: A Book of Definitive Mistakes and Misguided Predictions}}<br><br />
{{T|1229017|Fahrenbrink}}<br><br />
{{T|603477|Fairy Tale Favorites told by Mary Strang}}<br><br />
{{T|1236287|False Gods}}<br><br />
{{T|1397567|Fanews Portfolio}}<br><br />
{{T|404201|Fantastic Nudes, 2nd Series}}<br><br />
{{T|1447684|Fantasy and Science Fiction: A Critical Guide}}<br><br />
{{T|895904|Fantasy Calendar for 1950}}<br><br />
{{T|1397718|Fantasy Commentator: Sam Moskowitz and A. Langley Searles Memorial Issue}}<br><br />
{{T|1311569|Fantasy Empire "Lovecraft Special"}}<br><br />
{{T|1097438|Fantasy Media}}<br><br />
{{T|1097392|Fantasy Newsletter}}<br><br />
{{T|1226252|Fantasy Research & Bibliography}}<br><br />
{{T|1218126|Fantasy Tales}}<br><br />
{{T|1443426|Fantasy Tales 3}}<br><br />
{{T|1072808|Fantômas}} = Fantômas is a series of novels about a criminal mastermind, it's not really SF<br><br />
{{T|1203629|Far Arena: Part Five of the Okal Rel Saga}}<br><br />
{{T|166825|Far West}}<br><br />
{{T|1248952|Faster: the Acceleration of Just About Everything}}<br><br />
{{T|1088240|Fatal Women}}<br><br />
{{T|1331983|Fenrir}}<br><br />
{{T|609849|Feral}}<br><br />
{{T|616325|Fiction Writer's Handbook}}<br><br />
{{T|1186702|Fiction Writer's Market}}<br><br />
{{T|615221|Film Fantasy Scrapbook, New Edition}}<br><br />
{{T|1089940|Final Crisis: Legion of 3 Worlds}}<br><br />
{{T|1095547|First Strike! The Pentagon's Strategy for Nuclear War}}<br><br />
{{T|911994|Five Quarts: A Personal and Natural History of Blood}}<br><br />
{{T|817541|Flash Gordon: Into the Water World of Mongo}}<br><br />
{{T|1066379|Flim-Flam!}}<br><br />
{{T|404171|Fly By Night}}<br><br />
{{T|854931|Flying Saucers and the Straight-Line Mystery}}<br><br />
{{T|1256563|Flying Saucers from Another World}}<br><br />
{{T|835236|Flying Saucers: Fact or Fiction?}}<br><br />
{{T|1185930|Flying to 3,000 B.C.}}<br><br />
{{T|987619|Fool for an Agent}}<br><br />
{{T|864237|Forgotten Worlds}}<br><br />
{{T|1097390|Forthcoming SF Books}}<br><br />
{{T|209181|Fortress in the Sky}}<br><br />
{{T|1132244|Foss Poster Portfolio}}<br><br />
{{T|603093|Foundation read by William Shatner}}<br><br />
{{T|618153|Frankenstein}}<br><br />
{{T|1229088|Frankenstein: Icon of Modern Culture}}<br><br />
{{T|1332280|Freakcidents: A Surrealist Sideshow}}<br><br />
{{T|1411689|Free Fall}}<br><br />
{{T|1069828|Free Software}}<br><br />
{{T|938446|French Folktales from the Collection of Henri Pourrat}}<br><br />
{{T|1443402|Frisk}}<br><br />
{{T|1250416|From Blue to Black}}<br><br />
{{T|1280917|From Dawn to Dusk}}<br><br />
{{T|1061828|From Here to Quiddity: Clive Barker's The Great and Secret Show}}<br><br />
{{T|427371|From Jules Verne to Star Trek}}<br><br />
{{T|777777|From the Hells Beneath the Hells}}<br><br />
{{T|684773|From the Hells Beneath the Hells (audio recording)}}<br><br />
{{T|923083|Funny Face!}}<br><br />
{{T|1234901|Förchtbar Maschien}}<br><br />
==G==<br />
{{T|1444844|G-8 and His Battle Aces #1: The Bat Staffel}}<br><br />
{{T|1121032|Galaxies Interieures 1}} = published by Denoel in the Présence du Futur series, not entered yet<br><br />
{{T|1121033|Galaxies Interieures 2}} = DONE<br><br />
{{T|866501|Gantry Affairs}}<br><br />
{{T|1048382|Gantz}}<br><br />
{{T|1066315|Genetic Alchemy}}<br><br />
{{T|1405857|Ghosts of Wyoming}}<br><br />
{{T|1226227|Giger N. Y. City}}<br><br />
{{T|166823|Gil Kane: The Art of the Comics}}<br><br />
{{T|1089373|God Jokes: The Art of Abdul Mati Klarwein}}<br><br />
{{T|744297|God Save the Queen}}<br><br />
{{T|1321092|God's War}}<br><br />
{{T|864246|Gods and Spacemen in the Ancient East}}<br><br />
{{T|864235|Gods From Outer Space}}<br><br />
{{T|864236|Gold of the Gods}}<br><br />
{{T|1026023|Golden}}<br><br />
{{T|604565|Gonna Roll the Bones read by Fritz Leiber}}<br><br />
{{T|1140747|Gothic Rock: All you ever wanted to know}}<br><br />
{{T|944018|Grab Your Socks}}<br><br />
{{T|1285895|Gradisil}}<br><br />
{{T|424051|Granfa' Grig Had a Pig}}<br><br />
{{T|602857|Gravely, Robert Bloch}}<br><br />
{{T|1293220|Gravesend}}<br><br />
{{T|768765|Green Lantern & Green Arrow #1}}<br><br />
{{T|1121589|Green Suns}}<br><br />
{{T|1186685|Greg Press Science Fiction Series: The Works of Fritz Leiber}}<br><br />
{{T|929772|Guided Missiles in War and Peace}}<br><br />
{{T|408021|Guzman Go Home}}<br><br />
==H==<br />
{{T|1228711|H. G. Wells' Literary Criticism}}<br><br />
{{T|1188609|H. P. Lovecraft's Book of the Supernatural}}<br><br />
{{T|1311689|H. P. Lovecraft—Out for Blood}}<br><br />
{{T|1404198|H. Rider Haggard: His Life and Works}}<br><br />
{{T|866506|Handbook of Management}}<br><br />
{{T|604533|Hannes Bok II}}<br><br />
{{T|639565|Harlan! (audio recording)}}<br><br />
{{T|604569|Harlan! Harlan Ellison reads Harlan Ellison}}<br><br />
{{T|1266114|Harmon Place and Other Stories}}<br><br />
{{T|862897|Haunted New England}}<br><br />
{{T|938454|Having Technology}}<br><br />
{{T|1285164|he Country You Have Never Seen: Essays and Reviews}} = DONE, title mispelled<br><br />
{{T|582389|Heart of Darkness}}<br><br />
{{T|1121586|Heart of the Serpent}} = Effremov's novel ?<br><br />
{{T|1107800|Heat, Vol. 0}}<br><br />
{{T|856792|Heaven and Hell}}<br><br />
{{T|1215050|Hell's Bitch}}<br><br />
{{T|1411682|Hello Down There}}<br><br />
{{T|1146726|Helmquest}}<br><br />
{{T|1428549|Help! A Bear is Eating Me!}}<br><br />
{{T|1102494|Her Master Was Satan}}<br><br />
{{T|1226840|Heyne Science Fiction Magazin}}<br><br />
{{T|856277|Highway of the Sun}}<br><br />
{{T|1338626|Hilferuf aus Animaland}}<br><br />
{{T|786017|Hiroshima}}<br><br />
{{T|856394|Hoaxes}}<br><br />
{{T|1140638|Hoffman's Guide to SF, Horror and Fantasy Movies}}<br><br />
{{T|943130|Homebodies}}<br><br />
{{T|1069279|Horror Comics: The Illustrated History}}<br><br />
{{T|404221|Horror Films}}<br><br />
{{T|161017|Hot Blood}}<br><br />
{{T|1072827|House of Flesh}}<br><br />
{{T|1121674|How Doth the Busy Little Ant}}<br><br />
{{T|993890|How to Good-Bye Depression: If You Constrict Anus 100 Times Everyday. Malarkey? or Effective Way?}}<br><br />
{{T|160333|How To Live Forever}}<br><br />
==I==<br />
{{T|335321|I Don't Know About Art}}<br><br />
{{T|335491|I Don't Know About Art}}<br><br />
{{T|873231|Icons of Horror and the Supernatural: An Encyclopedia of Our Worst Nightmares}}<br><br />
{{T|1397721|If By Reason of Strength}}<br><br />
{{T|1064754|Il segno del serpente}}<br><br />
{{T|1200932|Imagination}}<br><br />
{{T|1438718|Imaro II: The Quest for Cush}}<br><br />
{{T|1082598|Impulse 4}}<br><br />
{{T|1082599|Impulse 5}}<br><br />
{{T|1125033|In Conversation: A Writer's Perspective - Volume One: Horror}}<br><br />
{{T|905824|In Deepspace Shadows: A Dramatic Poem in Two Acts}}<br><br />
{{T|1226846|In Laurins Blick}}<br><br />
{{T|866371|In Memoriam: Clark Ashton Smith}}<br><br />
{{T|1308639|In Memoriam: Howard Phillips Lovecraft; Ethel M. Phillips Morrish}}<br><br />
{{T|942821|In Search of Ancient Astronomies}}<br><br />
{{T|864244|In Search of Ancient Mysteries}}<br><br />
{{T|938569|In the Beginning: Creation Stories from Around the World}}<br><br />
{{T|1104111|Index to British Science Fiction Magazines}}<br><br />
{{T|850795|Index to the Science Fiction and Fantasy Magazines: 1963}}<br><br />
{{T|806973|Index to the Science Fiction Magazines, 1969}}<br><br />
{{T|868205|Index to the Science Fiction Magazines: 1962}}<br><br />
{{T|829999|Index to the Science Fiction Magazines: 1967}}<br><br />
{{T|1060257|Index to the Strand Magazine 1891-1950}}<br><br />
{{T|217421|Industrial Nuclear Development}}<br><br />
{{T|1067529|Information Mechanics}}<br><br />
{{T|1313476|Insidious Garden: A Look at Horror Fiction}}<br><br />
{{T|1454449|Interplanetary: A History of the British Interplanetary Society}}<br><br />
{{T|1121051|Interstellar Travel}}<br><br />
{{T|1192096|Interview with R. A. Salvatore}}<br><br />
{{T|1286591|Interview: Chuck Palahniuk}}<br><br />
{{T|1243207|Interzone, No 208, February 2007}}<br><br />
{{T|1243213|Interzone, No 208, February 2007}}<br><br />
{{T|934280|Into Space}}<br><br />
{{T|1094312|Into Thin Air}}<br><br />
{{T|908750|Introduction to Modern Physics}}<br><br />
{{T|859641|Introduction to Space}}<br><br />
{{T|1224623|Irish Masters of Fantasy}}<br><br />
{{T|857647|It #6: UPA Issue}}<br><br />
{{T|993893|It Was a Dark and Stormy Night}}<br><br />
==J-K==<br />
{{T|1120075|J. G. Ballard: The First Twenty Years}}<br><br />
{{T|615081|J. R. R. Tolkien Calendar 1976 by the Brothers Hildebrandt}}<br><br />
{{T|609609|J. R. R. Tolkien Reads and Sings His The Hobbit and The Fellowship of the Ring}}<br><br />
{{T|609613|J. R. R. Tolkien Reads and Sings His The Lord of the Rings (The Two Towers and The Return of the King)}}<br><br />
{{T|1094367|Jackie! All the Famous Broadsheets}}<br><br />
{{T|853152|James Gleick's CHAOS, the Software}}<br><br />
{{T|885388|John Constantine, Hellblazer: All His Engines}}<br><br />
{{T|1121242|John Russell Fearn - An Evaluation}}<br><br />
{{T|1387818|Journal of an Astronaut / Nostalgia of the Infinite}}<br><br />
{{T|861281|Journal Wired}}<br><br />
{{T|1213011|Journal Wired}}<br><br />
{{T|856919|Jules Verne, Prophet of a New Age}}<br><br />
{{T|1415284|Ka-Qua-Hawk-as}}<br><br />
{{T|1429953|Kadath}}<br><br />
{{T|615033|Kay Nielsen}}<br><br />
{{T|1347490|Kea's Flight}}<br><br />
{{T|1229089|Keep Watching the Skies! American Science Fiction Movies of the Fifties}}<br><br />
{{T|1281777|Kelland}}<br><br />
{{T|1418470|Kermit's Garden of Verses}}<br><br />
{{T|408051|King Queen Knave}}<br><br />
{{T|1303743|King Rat & Perdido Street Station}}<br><br />
{{T|1165177|Kitty}}<br><br />
{{T|578569|Kooperation}}<br><br />
{{T|1379312|Kronika Akaszy (Inicjacja, Skorupa Astralna)}}<br><br />
{{T|1382704|Kurs na zderzenie}}<br><br />
==L==<br />
{{T|700681|L'Annee 1982-1983 de la Science-Fiction et du Fantastique}} = DONE<br><br />
{{T|980922|L'Ecran fantastique: la nouvelle dimension du cinema}}<br><br />
{{T|1224581|L'enfant des glaces}} = DONE<br><br />
{{T|1196813|L. A. Requiem}}<br><br />
{{T|1224614|La Nouvelle Science-Fiction Americaine}} = DONE<br><br />
{{T|985969|La Science-Fiction Francaise: 1918-1968}} = DONE<br><br />
{{T|1338627|Landa - Rebellin für die Freiheit}}<br><br />
{{T|925201|Larrousse Encyclopedia of Astronomy}}<br><br />
{{T|909728|Laugh or Cry: Finding the Lighter Side of disABILITIES}}<br><br />
{{T|1303699|Laughing Gas}}<br><br />
{{T|1106615|Lazarus 9}}<br><br />
{{T|1095098|Le Nuisible}}<br><br />
{{T|1226842|Le Planete du Jugement}} = DONE<br><br />
{{T|1226843|Le snant n'es pas le mort et autres recits}}<br><br />
{{T|563669|Legend: The Graphic Novel}}<br><br />
{{T|1095099|Les Manguers de Muraille}} = DONE (review title corrected)<br><br />
{{T|1095094|Les Sentinelles D'Almoha}} = DONE<br><br />
{{T|1121118|Let's Go to Golgotha}}<br><br />
{{T|995381|Letters of the Alien Publisher}}<br><br />
{{T|162142|Licence Denied: Ramblings from the Doctor Who Underground}}<br><br />
{{T|1331043|Lichtjahr 7}}<br><br />
{{T|1147087|Life Between Life}}<br><br />
{{T|1309073|Life of Insects}}<br><br />
{{T|1102495|Lilith's Daughter}}<br><br />
{{T|873236|Literary Walking Tours of Gothic Dublin}}<br><br />
{{T|1319614|Little Nemo in Slumberland}}<br><br />
{{T|867429|Living Magic}}<br><br />
{{T|622637|Lobbying for Space}}<br><br />
{{T|902701|Local Area Networks in Large Organizations: A Manager's Briefing}}<br><br />
{{T|1280891|Logan's Run: Last Day #1}}<br><br />
{{T|1243214|Lone Star Stories, #19}}<br><br />
{{T|1100656|Lost Atlantis}}<br><br />
{{T|1307165|Lost Cities of Ancient Lemuria and the Pacific}}<br><br />
{{T|1181687|Lost in Booth Nine}}<br><br />
{{T|1312006|Lost in the Rentharpian Hills: Spanning the Decades with Carl Jacobi}}<br><br />
{{T|615209|Lost Worlds}}<br><br />
{{T|949775|Love Versus Corruption in a Psychological Space Opera: C.J. Merle's Of Honor and Treason}}<br><br />
{{T|1311836|Lovecraft Remembered}}<br><br />
{{T|1312493|Lovecraft Studies #12}}<br><br />
{{T|1313201|Lovecraft Studies #15}}<br><br />
{{T|1314073|Lovecraft Studies #17}}<br><br />
{{T|1308636|Lovecraft Studies 14}}<br><br />
{{T|1308360|Lovecraft Studies 16}}<br><br />
{{T|1314739|Lovecraft Studies 21}}<br><br />
{{T|1313308|Lovecraft: A Study in the Fantastic}}<br><br />
{{T|1215051|Lucifer's Altar Girl}}<br><br />
{{T|753189|Lueurs sur les Soucoupes Volantes}}<br><br />
{{T|602841|Lugosi: The Man Behind the Cape}}<br><br />
==M==<br />
{{T|1069912|Machenalia}}<br><br />
{{T|1243927|Madame Blavatsky's Baboon}}<br><br />
{{T|1008202|Magazine-Writing—Peter Snook}}<br><br />
{{T|1062554|Mage: The Hero Discovered}}<br><br />
{{T|1026059|Magical Changes}}<br><br />
{{T|838562|Magnificent Universe}}<br><br />
{{T|1092504|Magritte}}<br><br />
{{T|1061136|Maine Quartet}}<br><br />
{{T|1316770|Man and the Moon}}<br><br />
{{T|1066697|Man and the Planets}}<br><br />
{{T|843410|Man in the Universe}}<br><br />
{{T|1052244|Man Must Measure}}<br><br />
{{T|866126|Man on Earth: How Civilization and Technology Changed the Face of the Earth}}<br><br />
{{T|867323|Man Unlimited}}<br><br />
{{T|1428546|Market Adjustment}}<br><br />
{{T|1241914|Mars}}<br><br />
{{T|677173|Mars and the Mind of Man}}<br><br />
{{T|1144708|Masks of Mayhem}}<br><br />
{{T|1229108|Master Mechanics and Wicked Wizards: Images of the American Scientist as Hero and Villain from Colonial Times to the Present}}<br><br />
{{T|1089452|Masters of Comic Book Art}}<br><br />
{{T|1106620|Masters of Inworld}}<br><br />
{{T|1100655|Mathematics for the Million}}<br><br />
{{T|160883|Maus}}<br><br />
{{T|942126|Max}}<br><br />
{{T|1057165|Meeting of Minds}}<br><br />
{{T|1432054|Meeting the Dog Girls}}<br><br />
{{T|1338623|Mein Fleisch wird brennen}}<br><br />
{{T|1243425|Memories of the Irish Isreali War}}<br><br />
{{T|1315028|Men of Dunwich: The Story of a Vanished Town}}<br><br />
{{T|750265|Men Of Space}}<br><br />
{{T|1258086|Men, Missiles and Machines}}<br><br />
{{T|1107842|Menace: Battle Mountain}}<br><br />
{{T|1152216|MGM's Marvelous Wizard of Oz}}<br><br />
{{T|1062552|MIchael Moorcock's Elric of Melnibone}}<br><br />
{{T|1094795|Micro-Computing: Everything You Ever Wanted to Know}}<br><br />
{{T|862898|Mind Children: The Future of Robot and Human Intelligence}}<br><br />
{{T|1066832|Mind on Fire}}<br><br />
{{T|1314109|Minnesota Fantasy Review, Vol. 2, #2}}<br><br />
{{T|1088291|Miracles of the Gods}}<br><br />
{{T|1066316|Mission to Mars}}<br><br />
{{T|1261107|Mister Pip}}<br><br />
{{T|1336674|Mobile Architektur: Entwurf und Technologie}}<br><br />
{{T|162143|Modern British Utopias, 1700-1850}}<br><br />
{{T|931555|Modern Experiments in Telepathy}}<br><br />
{{T|1113349|Mollie Peer}}<br><br />
{{T|1082628|Monolith 2}}<br><br />
{{T|1061827|Monsters, Miracles, and Revelations: Clive Barker's Tales of Transformation (The Second Three Books of Blood)}}<br><br />
{{T|871010|Moon Base: Technical and Psychological Aspects}}<br><br />
{{T|414021|Moon-Whales and Other Moon Poems}}<br><br />
{{T|1258973|Moonlight Red}}<br><br />
{{T|931351|Moonraker}}<br><br />
{{T|1079562|Mosig at Last: A Psychologist Looks at H. P. Lovecraft}}<br><br />
{{T|603461|Mother and the Flying Saucer}}<br><br />
{{T|908245|Mother Goose: Numbers on the Loose}}<br><br />
{{T|1154220|Movies in Fifteen Minutes}}<br><br />
{{T|253221|Mr. Hero-The Newmatic Man 1}}<br><br />
{{T|404141|Mr. Moon's Last Case}}<br><br />
{{T|1411685|Mr. Summer's Story}}<br><br />
{{T|1052242|Mysteries of Space and Time}}<br><br />
{{T|956588|Mysteries of the North Pole}}<br><br />
{{T|1186689|Mystery Adventure}}<br><br />
{{T|1341516|MythConceptions}}<br><br />
{{T|1341517|MythDirection}}<br><br />
==N==<br />
{{T|1387754|Narcotic Signature}}<br><br />
{{T|1250429|Native Rites}}<br><br />
{{T|1266115|Native Tongue}}<br><br />
{{T|723865|Nature's Ways}}<br><br />
{{T|160329|Nemira '95}}<br><br />
{{T|744305|Neptune Noir}}<br><br />
{{T|1137339|New Crimes}}<br><br />
{{T|1072802|New Grub Street}}<br><br />
{{T|918782|New Tales of the Arabian Nights}}<br><br />
{{T|916228|New Worlds}}<br><br />
{{T|162340|New Worlds (1997)}}<br><br />
{{T|1083722|New Worlds 150}}<br><br />
{{T|1083724|New Worlds 151}}<br><br />
{{T|1082695|New Worlds 160}}<br><br />
{{T|1082678|New Worlds 161}}<br><br />
{{T|1082680|New Worlds 162}}<br><br />
{{T|1082602|New Worlds 163}}<br><br />
{{T|1082603|New Worlds 165}}<br><br />
{{T|1082604|New Worlds 166}}<br><br />
{{T|1082605|New Worlds 167}}<br><br />
{{T|1120049|New Worlds 173}}<br><br />
{{T|1082893|New Worlds 182}}<br><br />
{{T|856296|New Worlds of Modern Science}}<br><br />
{{T|679009|New Worlds SF, November 1965}}<br><br />
{{T|678609|New Worlds SF, October 1965}}<br><br />
{{T|678605|New Worlds SF, September 1965}}<br><br />
{{T|582481|Night Has a Thousand Eyes}}<br><br />
{{T|1072855|Nightshade}}<br><br />
{{T|913225|No Apparent Danger: The True Story of Volcanic Disaster at Galeras and Nevado del Ruiz}}<br><br />
{{T|993894|No Need For Loose Ends, a review of Galactic Cluster}}<br><br />
{{T|1314104|Nocturne, Primus}}<br><br />
{{T|1308470|Nocturne, Secundus}}<br><br />
{{T|1281778|Norman Corwin's One World Flight}}<br><br />
{{T|1140643|Nostalgia About Comics}}<br><br />
{{T|1380337|Nostradamus: The Man Who Saw Through Time}}<br><br />
{{T|1428551|Not Quite One of the Boys}}<br><br />
{{T|704557|Now You See It . . .}} = DONE<br><br />
==O-P==<br />
{{T|1323760|Oath of Moment}}<br><br />
{{T|1089372|Occupied Spaces}}<br><br />
{{T|857522|Of Stars and Men}}<br><br />
{{T|1313282|Off the Ancient Track, A Lovecraftian Guide to New-England & Adjacent New York}}<br><br />
{{T|1203592|Okal Rel Universe: Anthology 2}}<br><br />
{{T|1148616|On Human Nature}}<br><br />
{{T|615429|On Location on Martha's Vineyard (The Making of the Movie "Jaws")}}<br><br />
{{T|853098|On Spec: The Canadian Magazine of Speculative Writting}}<br><br />
{{T|1418472|On the Frontiers of Science}}<br><br />
{{T|609605|One Winter Night in August and Other Nonsense Jingles}}<br><br />
{{T|1387843|Orbiting a Data Dump #5}}<br><br />
{{T|158504|ORPHIA: Slavonic Science Fiction and Fantasy Magazine Issue #1 (March 1990)}}<br><br />
{{T|1229461|Otherwhere}}<br><br />
{{T|935189|Our Neighbor Worlds}}<br><br />
{{T|1135974|Out of the Pit}}<br><br />
{{T|1072850|Outer Dark}}<br><br />
{{T|1215409|Paper Star Ships}}<br><br />
{{T|1097750|Para}}<br><br />
{{T|1160711|Paradise Junction}}<br><br />
{{T|1067618|Paradox: The Case for the Extraterrestrial Origin of Man}}<br><br />
{{T|1065477|Paranormal Borderlands of Science}}<br><br />
{{T|633209|Parapsychology: An Insider's View of ESP}}<br><br />
{{T|1314112|Parts}}<br><br />
{{T|920984|Peace or Pestilence}}<br><br />
{{T|408151|Penguin Science Survey, 1968, the Physical Sciences}}<br><br />
{{T|965484|People of Darkness}}<br><br />
{{T|1066380|Philosophers Look at Science Fiction}}<br><br />
{{T|933319|Physics of the Planet Mars}}<br><br />
{{T|1070863|Pioneering the Space Frontier}}<br><br />
{{T|873503|Plagiarism and Pederasty: Skeletons in the Jamesian Closet}}<br><br />
{{T|1405874|Poe in His Own Time}}<br><br />
{{T|1387819|Poems of the Divided Self}}<br><br />
{{T|914301|Pompidou Posse}}<br><br />
{{T|1397583|Portents}}<br><br />
{{T|1068502|Portfolio}}<br><br />
{{T|1095097|Portrait du Diable en Chapeau-Melon}}<br><br />
{{T|873508|Postscripts, March 2007}}<br><br />
{{T|609413|Prelude to Science: An Exploration of Magic and Divination}}<br><br />
{{T|408041|Preserve and Protect}}<br><br />
{{T|1387844|Preternaturally Yours}}<br><br />
{{T|1102498|Princess of Darkness}}<br><br />
{{T|1089478|Projections: The Gilbert Williams 1979 Calendar}}<br><br />
{{T|525989|Prolongevity}}<br><br />
{{T|847353|Providence Island}}<br><br />
{{T|618157|Psycho}}<br><br />
{{T|1411662|Psychos}}<br><br />
{{T|862959|Pulphouse 2, Winter 1988}}<br><br />
{{T|1162487|Purpose of Evasion}}<br><br />
==Q-R==<br />
{{T|1094383|Quest for the Golden Sorcerer}}<br><br />
{{T|1102241|Quest's End}}<br><br />
{{T|1008416|R. A. Lafferty}}<br><br />
{{T|1166300|Radical Evolution}}<br><br />
{{T|1215959|Raped by the Devil}}<br><br />
{{T|166824|Raptors III}}<br><br />
{{T|1046925|Ray Bradbury on Stage}}<br><br />
{{T|609801|Ray Bradbury: The Martian Chronicles, read by Leonard Nimoy}}<br><br />
{{T|1185929|Realities of Space Travel}}<br><br />
{{T|1411006|Reality Forbidden}}<br><br />
{{T|1243211|Realms of Fantasy, April 2007}}<br><br />
{{T|1243208|Realms of Fantasy, February 2007}}<br><br />
{{T|1144380|Rebel Planet}}<br><br />
{{T|617373|Reference Guide to Fantastic Films, Vols. 1-3}}<br><br />
{{T|827650|Reference Guide to Fantastic Films: Science Fiction, Fantasy, and Horror}}<br><br />
{{T|1144376|Renegade}}<br><br />
{{T|1072894|Reprisal}}<br><br />
{{T|1156110|Requiem for a Rogue}}<br><br />
{{T|583865|Reverbstorm}}<br><br />
{{T|1415598|Reves de Gloire}} = novel published by L'Atalante, not entered yet<br><br />
{{T|995548|Review of How the Wizard Came to Oz . . .}}<br><br />
{{T|1008201|Review of Stephens' "Arabia Petraea"}}<br><br />
{{T|995547|Review of the Prometheus Project . . .}}<br><br />
{{T|583285|Rex Miller: The Complete Revelations}}<br><br />
{{T|1282873|Richard Matheson On Screen: A History of the Filmed Works}}<br><br />
{{T|989465|Rim of Fire}}<br><br />
{{T|965480|River of Death}}<br><br />
{{T|1082626|Riverside Quarterly Jan 1970}}<br><br />
{{T|1062553|Robert Bloch's Hell on Earth}}<br><br />
{{T|1314731|Robert E. Howard Fight Magazine #1}}<br><br />
{{T|1223435|Robert Silverberg Reads "To See the Invisible Man" and "Passengers"}}<br><br />
{{T|1144699|Robot Commando}}<br><br />
{{T|1215833|Robot-Bot-Bot}}<br><br />
{{T|1070242|Robotics}}<br><br />
{{T|1226251|Roderick, Vol 1}}<br><br />
{{T|560529|Rose of the Prophet}}<br><br />
{{T|194491|Roswell: Inconvenients Facts and the Will to Believe}}<br><br />
{{T|1368746|Rover's Tales}}<br><br />
{{T|1249771|Rubicon}}<br><br />
{{T|853153|Rudy Rucker's Cellular Automata Laboratory}}<br><br />
{{T|939823|Run for Blood}}<br><br />
{{T|930932|Russian Science in the 21st Century}}<br><br />
==S==<br />
{{T|159514|Sacrifice}}<br><br />
{{T|1072508|Saga of the Swamp Thing}}<br><br />
{{T|1160781|Sandman: Book of Dreams}}<br><br />
{{T|158817|Sandman: The Kindly Ones}}<br><br />
{{T|1160593|Sandman: The Kindly Ones}}<br><br />
{{T|1215053|Satanic Virgin}}<br><br />
{{T|921779|Schlock Mercenary: Under New Management}}<br><br />
{{T|1102497|Schooled by the Devil}}<br><br />
{{T|615077|Science Calendar 1976}}<br><br />
{{T|1083721|Science Fantasy 72}}<br><br />
{{T|1083723|Science Fantasy 73}}<br><br />
{{T|679013|Science Fantasy, November 1965}}<br><br />
{{T|678617|Science Fantasy, October 1965}}<br><br />
{{T|678613|Science Fantasy, September 1965}}<br><br />
{{T|1186694|Science Fiction #3}}<br><br />
{{T|401841|Science Fiction Calendar 1977}}<br><br />
{{T|812917|Science Fiction Comes to College}}<br><br />
{{T|1452629|Science Fiction Handbook, Revised}}<br><br />
{{T|807841|Science Fiction No-Frills Novel}}<br><br />
{{T|866372|Science Fiction Review}}<br><br />
{{T|1159153|Science Fiction Studies 91: The British SF Boom (Vol 30 Part 3 Nov 2003)}}<br><br />
{{T|924220|Science for the Citizen}}<br><br />
{{T|905853|Science, Evolution, and Creationism}}<br><br />
{{T|1226226|Science: Good, Bad and Bogus}}<br><br />
{{T|1257719|Scientific Wonders of the Atomic Age}}<br><br />
{{T|543881|Scientists At Work}}<br><br />
{{T|1410832|Scientology: The Now Religion}}<br><br />
{{T|1052039|Scream from Outer Space}}<br><br />
{{T|166112|Season X}}<br><br />
{{T|931065|Secrets of Space Flight}}<br><br />
{{T|1419439|Selected Letters 1931 - 1936}}<br><br />
{{T|974021|Selected Letters, 1929-1931}}<br><br />
{{T|1111864|Selected Poems}}<br><br />
{{T|1146729|Self Healing}}<br><br />
{{T|862899|Selling Science: How the Press Covers Science and Technology}}<br><br />
{{T|1249763|Sensing Others}}<br><br />
{{T|1065811|Seven Tomorrows}}<br><br />
{{T|1060202|SF Commentary Reprint Edition: First Year 1969}}<br><br />
{{T|1082600|SF Impulse 6}}<br><br />
{{T|1082601|SF Impulse 9}}<br><br />
{{T|159515|Shadow Games}}<br><br />
{{T|985971|Shared Fantasy: Role-Playing Games as Social Worlds}}<br><br />
{{T|1411696|Shella}}<br><br />
{{T|1447691|Si Mai Avait Gagné (If May Had Been Won)}}<br><br />
{{T|1148611|Sideshow: Kissinger, Nixon and the Destruction of Cambodia}}<br><br />
{{T|158821|Sierra Heaven}}<br><br />
{{T|1381977|Siezon tumanow}}<br><br />
{{T|1242450|Sight Unseen}}<br><br />
{{T|1144701|Silent Night: The Defeat of NATO}}<br><br />
{{T|123457|Silent Partners}}<br><br />
{{T|599817|Silver Scream}}<br><br />
{{T|1419216|Silver Scream: 40 Classic Horror Movies, Volume Two}}<br><br />
{{T|1249764|Sinning in Sevens}}<br><br />
{{T|1095554|SIOP}}<br><br />
{{T|576945|Skoob Directory of Secondhand Bookshops in the British Isles}}<br><br />
{{T|1308930|Slaughter House Magazine, Vol. 1, #3}}<br><br />
{{T|663293|Sleepless Dreams}}<br><br />
{{T|883463|Sojourn}}<br><br />
{{T|1332307|Soliton}}<br><br />
{{T|1411688|Some Days You Get the Bear}}<br><br />
{{T|1107782|Something New Under the Sun: An Environmental History of the Twentieth-Century World}}<br><br />
{{T|194048|Son of Darkness}}<br><br />
{{T|931673|Song of the Sky}}<br><br />
{{T|1382743|Song of the Sky}}<br><br />
{{T|1113640|Songs and Sonnets Atlantean, the Second Series}}<br><br />
{{T|1387799|Sorceries and Sorrows: Early Poems}}<br><br />
{{T|1162500|Soul/Mate}}<br><br />
{{T|1123015|Sound of Wonder: Interviews from "The Science Fiction Radio Show"}}<br><br />
{{T|980162|Soviet Literature, No. 2: Science Fiction of Today}}<br><br />
{{T|881155|Soviet Research on Gravitation}}<br><br />
{{T|847349|Soviet Writings on Earth Satellites and Space Travel}}<br><br />
{{T|842577|Space Age Terminology}}<br><br />
{{T|861924|Space Enterprise: Beyond Nasa}}<br><br />
{{T|875092|Space Processing, Products and Profits, 1983-1990}}<br><br />
{{T|1258079|Space Research and Exploration}}<br><br />
{{T|855656|Space Stations}}<br><br />
{{T|852557|Space Travel}}<br><br />
{{T|1146696|Spaceman}}<br><br />
{{T|1411692|Spark}}<br><br />
{{T|1215829|Special Effects, Vol 1}}<br><br />
{{T|1159803|Special Effects: The History and Technique}}<br><br />
{{T|991554|Specula: Selected Uncollected Poems: 1968-1993}}<br><br />
{{T|1373847|Spellbound 2011}}<br><br />
{{T|1226128|Splatter Movies}}<br><br />
{{T|1381975|Spotkanie w przestworzach. Antologia m&#322;odych '79}}<br><br />
{{T|1215960|Spread for Satan}}<br><br />
{{T|1428548|Squid Pulp Blues}}<br><br />
{{T|615069|Star Trek (Stardate) Calendar 1976}}<br><br />
{{T|427361|Star Trek Fotonovels}}<br><br />
{{T|1089517|Star Trek Intergalactic Puzzles}}<br><br />
{{T|161305|Star Trek: Captain's Logs: Supplemental}}<br><br />
{{T|1044698|Starclimber: The Literary Adventures and Autobiography of Raymond Z. Gallun}}<br><br />
{{T|942042|Starlog Photo Guidebook to Science Fiction Toys & Models, Volume 1}}<br><br />
{{T|602641|Starstream Numbers 1 - 4}}<br><br />
{{T|1422996|Steve Harrison's Casebook}}<br><br />
{{T|1146952|Steven Spielberg's Amazing Stories}}<br><br />
{{T|1188659|Sticks and Stones}}<br><br />
{{T|1419250|Still Missing}}<br><br />
{{T|837910|Stop Me Before I Do It Again!}}<br><br />
{{T|1243215|Strange Horizons, 12 February 2007}}<br><br />
{{T|1243216|Strange Horizons, 19 February 2007}}<br><br />
{{T|1411691|Strip Tease}}<br><br />
{{T|1338612|Studien des Todes}}<br><br />
{{T|1122833|Studies in Speculative Fantasy}}<br><br />
{{T|1313475|Studies in Weird Fiction #3}}<br><br />
{{T|1314105|Studies in Weird Fiction #4}}<br><br />
{{T|1314608|Studies in Weird Fiction 6}}<br><br />
{{T|1314809|Studies in Weird Fiction 7}}<br><br />
{{T|161034|Studies of Death}}<br><br />
{{T|639073|Sturgeon (audio recording)}}<br><br />
{{T|1411694|Summer of Fear}}<br><br />
{{T|1088701|Sun Sign Success}}<br><br />
{{T|855606|Sun, Sea and Sky}}<br><br />
{{T|1210742|Supernatural Fiction for Teens}}<br><br />
{{T|1121804|Supernatural Stories No. 20}}<br><br />
{{T|929767|Survival in the Sky}}<br><br />
{{T|938364|Swan Lake}}<br><br />
{{T|1226986|Syn-Code 7}}<br><br />
==T==<br />
{{T|647781|T.A.Z.: The Temporary Autonomous Zone, Ontological Anarchy, Poetic Terrorism}}<br><br />
{{T|1381976|Tak bardzo chcia&#322; by&#263; cz&#322;owiekiem}}<br><br />
{{T|609113|Talbot Mundy Biblio}}<br><br />
{{T|867284|Talbot Mundy Biblio}}<br><br />
{{T|1311688|Tales of Horror and Damnation #6}}<br><br />
{{T|1201435|Tales of Piracy, Crime and Ghosts}}<br><br />
{{T|1068154|Tales of the Ling Master}}<br><br />
{{T|1243070|Tales of the Night}}<br><br />
{{T|1113638|Tales of War}}<br><br />
{{T|1422997|Tales of Weird Menace}}<br><br />
{{T|1086993|Talisman of Death}}<br><br />
{{T|1092506|Tall, Dark and Gruesome}}<br><br />
{{T|940286|Tarzan and Tradition}}<br><br />
{{T|1065278|Tarzan and Tradition}}<br><br />
{{T|1135998|Tau #4}}<br><br />
{{T|1088012|Teacup Fortune-Telling}}<br><br />
{{T|864245|Temple of the Stars}}<br><br />
{{T|1405855|Tempting Providence and Other Stories}}<br><br />
{{T|921784|Ten Worlds: Everything that Orbits the Sun}}<br><br />
{{T|1322846|Tenebrous Tales}}<br><br />
{{T|1331045|TERRAsse - Das Begleitheft zum PENTA-CON '99}}<br><br />
{{T|1084956|Territories 2, 1992}}<br><br />
{{T|1451946|Terror Out of Time}}<br><br />
{{T|753213|Thanks to Inventors}}<br><br />
{{T|252381|The 1969 Britannica Yearbook of Science and the Future}}<br><br />
{{T|615061|The 1975 Kelly Freas Selections}}<br><br />
{{T|401831|The 1977 J. R. R. Tolkien Calendar}}<br><br />
{{T|976604|The 1984 Calendar: An American History}}<br><br />
{{T|1147009|The 1st Great Kids Activity Catalogue}}<br><br />
{{T|596789|The ABC of Relativity}}<br><br />
{{T|848241|The ABC of Relativity}}<br><br />
{{T|872541|The Adam Strange Archives, Volume 1}}<br><br />
{{T|1333920|The Adjustment Team: The Collected Stories of Philip K. Dick, Volume 2}}<br><br />
{{T|1160059|The Adventures of Cyclops and Phoenux}}<br><br />
{{T|1097902|The Adventures of Wally Dolphin}}<br><br />
{{T|166914|The Age of Discoveries}}<br><br />
{{T|1137512|The Airtight Garage}}<br><br />
{{T|1052144|The All-American Boys}}<br><br />
{{T|1215532|The Amazing Adventures of Flash Gordon, Vol 1.}}<br><br />
{{T|1215533|The Amazing Adventures of Flash Gordon, Vol 2.}}<br><br />
{{T|1215527|The Amazing Spider-Man}}<br><br />
{{T|1095366|The Ancient Magic of the Pyramids}}<br><br />
{{T|602633|The Apocalypse Papers}}<br><br />
{{T|639061|The Apocalypse Papers}}<br><br />
{{T|1161114|The Art of Queen: The Eye}}<br><br />
{{T|941074|The Art of Robert McCall: A Celebration of Our Future in Space}}<br><br />
{{T|1419232|The Art of Zombie Warfare}}<br><br />
{{T|1338877|The Atari Ecologues}}<br><br />
{{T|1159948|The Babylon Project}}<br><br />
{{T|938572|The Ballad of Biddy Early}}<br><br />
{{T|540293|The Ballad of Halo Jones, Bks 1, 2 and 3}}<br><br />
{{T|861996|The Bank Street Books of Science Fiction, Fantasy, Creepy Tales, and Mystery}}<br><br />
{{T|1095551|The Baroque Arsenal}}<br><br />
{{T|679369|The BASRA Journal, Vol. 1, No. 7}}<br><br />
{{T|768165|The Beekeeper's Apprentice}}<br><br />
{{T|929768|The Best American Short Stories: 1955}}<br><br />
{{T|253181|The Best From Fantasy and Science Fiction}}<br><br />
{{T|1316771|The Best from Fantasy and Science Fiction: Tenth Series}}<br><br />
{{T|1419233|The Best Horror of the Year, Volume 2}}<br><br />
{{T|1120765|The Best of Arthur C. Clarke}}<br><br />
{{T|1097382|The Bibliography of Crime Fiction, 1749-1975}}<br><br />
{{T|1419234|The Big Bang}}<br><br />
{{T|1229677|The Big Bang Never Happened}}<br><br />
{{T|851175|The Big Splat: or How Our Moon Came to Be}}<br><br />
{{T|1083555|The Bird of Paradise}}<br><br />
{{T|616913|The Birth of a Principality}}<br><br />
{{T|521965|The Black Box: Last Words from the Cockpit}}<br><br />
{{T|1160558|The Black Dragon}}<br><br />
{{T|1107802|The Blackwinged Night: Creativity in Nature and Mind}}<br><br />
{{T|1072834|The Blind Owl}}<br><br />
{{T|404161|The Blue Stone}}<br><br />
{{T|925810|The Body's Guest}}<br><br />
{{T|1332306|The Body's Last Days}}<br><br />
{{T|938366|The Bomb and the General}}<br><br />
{{T|965478|The Book of Runes}}<br><br />
{{T|938448|The Boy of the Three-Year Nap}}<br><br />
{{T|1065522|The Boy Who Discovered the Earth}}<br><br />
{{T|949769|The Bridge Between Truth/Death and Power/Knowledge: Ted Chiang's "72 Letters"}}<br><br />
{{T|854935|The Bull of Minos}}<br><br />
{{T|635669|The Burroughs Bulletin, No. 12}}<br><br />
{{T|1280889|The Butcher of Box Hill}}<br><br />
{{T|1068437|The Call of the Weird}}<br><br />
{{T|1073571|The Castle}}<br><br />
{{T|1427187|The Caterer #3}}<br><br />
{{T|548237|The Celtic Art Source Book}}<br><br />
{{T|1125410|The Celtic Art Source Book}}<br><br />
{{T|852750|The Challenge of Man's Future}}<br><br />
{{T|1411690|The Cheshire Moon}}<br><br />
{{T|604149|The Church Mice Spread Their Wings}}<br><br />
{{T|1147175|The City of Shadows 1}}<br><br />
{{T|1147176|The City of Shadows 2}}<br><br />
{{T|917621|The CoEvolution Quarterly}}<br><br />
{{T|1355817|The Collected Fantasies of Clark Ashton Smith, Volume 1 and 2}}<br><br />
{{T|1072844|The Collector}}<br><br />
{{T|1215395|The Comic Book PrIce Guide No. 9}}<br><br />
{{T|913011|The Coming of Stars: Rhysling Award Winners Showcase}}<br><br />
{{T|852564|The Coming of the Space Ships}}<br><br />
{{T|1387776|The Cosmic Cycle}}<br><br />
{{T|647837|The Cosmic Wisdom of Joe Bob Briggs}}<br><br />
{{T|666549|The Dark Other / The Undesired Princess}}<br><br />
{{T|1312992|The Death of a Gentleman: The Last Days of Howard Phillips Lovecraft}}<br><br />
{{T|1095549|The Death of Deterrence}}<br><br />
{{T|1035069|The Death of Rocketry}}<br><br />
{{T|917408|The Death of the Sun}}<br><br />
{{T|1061826|The Delights of Dread: Clive Barker's First Three Books of Blood}}<br><br />
{{T|1188499|The Development of Astronomical Thought}}<br><br />
{{T|1118979|The Devil is a Gentleman: The Life and Times of Dennis Wheatley}}<br><br />
{{T|1102493|The Devil's Torture}}<br><br />
{{T|1241850|The Difference Engine}} = DONE<br><br />
{{T|924977|The Discoveries: Great Breakthroughs in 20th Century Science}}<br><br />
{{T|617073|The Discovery of the Future: The Ways Science Fiction Developed}}<br><br />
{{T|1247490|The Divinity Student}}<br><br />
{{T|616329|The Dracula Book}}<br><br />
{{T|1151921|The Dreaming: Beyond the Shores of Night}}<br><br />
{{T|1106613|The Dumarest Companion}}<br><br />
{{T|1121050|The Dune Trilogy}}<br><br />
{{T|1418227|The Early del Rey Vol. 1}} = DONE<br><br />
{{T|1418228|The Early del Rey Vol. 2}} = DONE<br><br />
{{T|596825|The Earth Beneath the Sea}}<br><br />
{{T|1038460|The Eighth Day of Creation}}<br><br />
{{T|811241|The Electric Bibliograph, Part I: Clifford D. Simak}}<br><br />
{{T|1120769|The Encyclopaedia of Ignorance}}<br><br />
{{T|1411658|The Encyclopdia of Death}}<br><br />
{{T|615037|The English Dreaners}}<br><br />
{{T|902698|The Essential Users Guide to the IBM PC, XT and PC Jr.}}<br><br />
{{T|1226034|The Eureka Years}}<br><br />
{{T|1122638|The Evil 100: Fascinating True-Life Tales of Terror, Mayhem and Savagery}}<br><br />
{{T|859640|The Exploration of the Solar System}}<br><br />
{{T|1121052|The Eyes Trilogy}}<br><br />
{{T|162147|The Faber Book of Science}}<br><br />
{{T|1397568|The Fabulous Faust}}<br><br />
{{T|859642|The Face of the Earth}}<br><br />
{{T|866848|The Face on Mars: Evidence for a Lost Civilization?}}<br><br />
{{T|1427186|The Faggiest Vampire}}<br><br />
{{T|943129|The Female Approach}}<br><br />
{{T|1371755|The Ferret Chronicles: Air Ferrets Aloft}}<br><br />
{{T|1371757|The Ferret Chronicles: Rancher Ferrets on the Range}}<br><br />
{{T|1371754|The Ferret Chronicles: Rescue Ferrets at Sea}}<br><br />
{{T|1371756|The Ferret Chronicles: Writer Ferrets Chasing the Muse}}<br><br />
{{T|986138|The Films of Roger Corman: Brilliance on a Budget}}<br><br />
{{T|1095184|The Final Decade: Will We Survive the 1980s?}}<br><br />
{{T|1162515|The Final Friends Trilogy}}<br><br />
{{T|873739|The Firmament of Time}}<br><br />
{{T|218981|The Fitzgerald Report}}<br><br />
{{T|854933|The Fitzroy Jules Verne}}<br><br />
{{T|408081|The Floating Opera}}<br><br />
{{T|1314028|The Forbidden Room and How the Forbidden Room Happened}}<br><br />
{{T|856791|The Fossil Evidence for Human Evolution}}<br><br />
{{T|401821|The Frank Frazetta Calendar 1977}}<br><br />
{{T|166600|The Furies}}<br><br />
{{T|850254|The Future of Ideas: The Fate of the Commons in a Connected World}}<br><br />
{{T|1449260|The Game Is Altered}}<br><br />
{{T|880015|The Goblet Club}}<br><br />
{{T|864238|The Gods Unknown}}<br><br />
{{T|940771|The Gold of the Gods}}<br><br />
{{T|928803|The Golden Archer}}<br><br />
{{T|1323745|The Good Man Jesus and the Scoundrel Christ}}<br><br />
{{T|604537|The Grass Tower}}<br><br />
{{T|923142|The Great Flying Saucer Conspiracy}}<br><br />
{{T|940277|The Great Science Fiction Pictures}}<br><br />
{{T|1252054|The Green Plantations}}<br><br />
{{T|866374|The Gridley Wave and the Burroughs Bulletin}}<br><br />
{{T|1152850|The Guns of Valverde}}<br><br />
{{T|1314753|The H. P. Lovecraft 1987 Calendar}}<br><br />
{{T|1428552|The Haunted Vagina}}<br><br />
{{T|580149|The Heart of the Beast}}<br><br />
{{T|1123326|The Hitch-Hikers' Guide to the Universe}}<br><br />
{{T|609429|The Hobbit Calendar 1976}}<br><br />
{{T|864243|The Home of the Gods}}<br><br />
{{T|1405844|The Horror of the Heights and Other Strange Tales}}<br><br />
{{T|1244726|The Hounds of Heaven}}<br><br />
{{T|1278443|The Hungry Ghosts}}<br><br />
{{T|942608|The Hydrogen World View}}<br><br />
{{T|1089463|The Illustrated Edgar Allen Poe}}<br><br />
{{T|603097|The Illustrated Man read by Leonard Nimoy}}<br><br />
{{T|1266113|The Imaginal Rave}}<br><br />
{{T|526001|The Immortalist}}<br><br />
{{T|526005|The Immortalist}}<br><br />
{{T|857280|The Inner Metagalaxy}}<br><br />
{{T|1069765|The Inventions of Daedalus}}<br><br />
{{T|1067058|The Invisible Landscape}}<br><br />
{{T|984662|The James Bond Films: A Behind the Scenes History}}<br><br />
{{T|1120766|The Journey to the East}}<br><br />
{{T|927046|The Kensington Stone: A Mystery Solved}}<br><br />
{{T|1072829|The Killer Inside Me}}<br><br />
{{T|1261109|The Kingdom of Bones}}<br><br />
{{T|161101|The Kipton Chronicles}}<br><br />
{{T|1088239|The Kiss of Death}}<br><br />
{{T|1447686|The Late Great Creature}}<br><br />
{{T|1094322|The Lean Years: Politics in the Age of Scarcity}}<br><br />
{{T|1405845|The Legend of Sleepy Hollow and Other Macabre Tales}}<br><br />
{{T|1411672|The Life & Times of Captain N.}}<br><br />
{{T|881765|The Life Eaters}}<br><br />
{{T|917437|The Life-Extension Revolution}}<br><br />
{{T|1303700|The Little Sister}}<br><br />
{{T|1102436|The Lives of Stars}}<br><br />
{{T|1067059|The Living Aura}}<br><br />
{{T|414051|The Lord of the Rings 1977 Calendar}}<br><br />
{{T|1145712|The Lyric Return}}<br><br />
{{T|1319616|The Mabinogion}}<br><br />
{{T|1243209|The Magazine of Fantasy & Science Fiction, April 2007}}<br><br />
{{T|1243205|The Magazine of Fantasy & Science Fiction, May 2007}}<br><br />
{{T|1074171|The Magic Machine}}<br><br />
{{T|1068441|The Magical Life of Long Tack Sam}}<br><br />
{{T|1095122|The Making of the Second Cold War}}<br><br />
{{T|1411669|The Man Who Dreamt of Lobsters}}<br><br />
{{T|1186888|The Man Who Ran the Moon}}<br><br />
{{T|882766|The Manchurian Candidate}}<br><br />
{{T|1242451|The Marilyn Tapes}}<br><br />
{{T|1051285|The Marsian}}<br><br />
{{T|1086410|The Marvel Comics Guide to New York City}}<br><br />
{{T|1152217|The Marvelous Land of Oz}}<br><br />
{{T|1235159|The Matter Myth}}<br><br />
{{T|1061137|The Medea Hypothesis}}<br><br />
{{T|166828|The Metabarons, 1: Path of the Warrior}}<br><br />
{{T|166829|The Metabarons, 2: Blood and Steel}}<br><br />
{{T|859644|The Mysterious Earth}}<br><br />
{{T|1160573|The Mystery of Bill Bamm's Golfman from Mabbil}}<br><br />
{{T|1160284|The Mystic Arts of Erasing All Signs of Death}}<br><br />
{{T|1319613|The Neustrian Cycle}}<br><br />
{{T|163308|The New Adventures of Abraham Lincoln}}<br><br />
{{T|1425882|The New Devil's Dictionary}}<br><br />
{{T|1225702|The New Worlds of Robert A. Heinlein: Expanded Universe}}<br><br />
{{T|1062534|The Next Book of Omni Games}}<br><br />
{{T|1035055|The Next Whole Earth Catalog}}<br><br />
{{T|1188500|The Night Sky}}<br><br />
{{T|1125030|The Night-Farers}}<br><br />
{{T|1065630|The Null-A Worlds of A. E. van Vogt}} = DONE<br><br />
{{T|1089601|The Occult}}<br><br />
{{T|830798|The Old Men at the Zoo}}<br><br />
{{T|1065625|The Once and Future Arthur}}<br><br />
{{T|1146966|The Orbit Poster Book}}<br><br />
{{T|1248986|The Other Side of the Mirror}}<br><br />
{{T|582541|The Painted Bird}}<br><br />
{{T|957114|The Phantom's Phantom}}<br><br />
{{T|850407|The Physicists}}<br><br />
{{T|1405847|The Picture of Dorian Gray and Other Fantastic Tales}}<br><br />
{{T|857296|The Piltdown Forgery}}<br><br />
{{T|754197|The Pocket Guide to the Underwater World}}<br><br />
{{T|944016|The Pogo Sunday Book}}<br><br />
{{T|1038459|The Politics of Energy}}<br><br />
{{T|838829|The Politics of Experience}}<br><br />
{{T|1083554|The Politics of Experience}}<br><br />
{{T|985607|The Power of Iron Man: The Enemy Within}}<br><br />
{{T|861922|The Privileged Ape: Cultural Capital in the Making of Man}}<br><br />
{{T|868500|The Proceedings: Chicon III}}<br><br />
{{T|928653|The Prospects of Nuclear Power and Technology}}<br><br />
{{T|1397566|The Psychic World}}<br><br />
{{T|1262731|The Purple Armchair}}<br><br />
{{T|1088698|The Pursuit of Destiny}}<br><br />
{{T|1008203|The Quacks of Helicon—A Satire}}<br><br />
{{T|1236294|The Questers: A Mystery Novel}}<br><br />
{{T|869532|The Ray Bradbury Review}}<br><br />
{{T|936924|The Real Book About Space Travel}}<br><br />
{{T|1449627|The Reception of H. G. Wells in Europe}}<br><br />
{{T|1314639|The Recluse, 1927}}<br><br />
{{T|915439|The Red Limit}}<br><br />
{{T|857509|The Relaxed Sell}}<br><br />
{{T|873222|The Remains of an Altar}}<br><br />
{{T|1072797|The Revenger's Tragedy}}<br><br />
{{T|609793|The Rhymes and Runes of the Toad}}<br><br />
{{T|1230758|The Rise and Fall of the Third Chimpanzee}}<br><br />
{{T|1243434|The Rise of Cromwell Jones}}<br><br />
{{T|1095550|The Russian Threat: Its Myths and Realities}}<br><br />
{{T|1161119|The Sandman: The Wake}}<br><br />
{{T|1394714|The Saviors}}<br><br />
{{T|812509|The Science Fiction Design Coloring Book}}<br><br />
{{T|819037|The Science Fiction Hall of Fame: Volume Two}}<br><br />
{{T|851209|The Science Fiction Professional-Seven Years of "Ask Bwana" Columns}}<br><br />
{{T|1102435|The Science of Fear}}<br><br />
{{T|1281773|The Scream Queen's Survival Guide}}<br><br />
{{T|1405842|The Screaming Skull and Other Classic Horror Stories}}<br><br />
{{T|1308408|The Second Book of Rimel}}<br><br />
{{T|1147075|The Second Oldest Profession}}<br><br />
{{T|931354|The Secret of the Hittites}}<br><br />
{{T|865092|The Secular Grail: Paradigms of Perception}}<br><br />
{{T|1023180|The Selected Short Stories of Robert Bloch}}<br><br />
{{T|1113470|The Selected Stories of Manly Wade Wellman}}<br><br />
{{T|1073637|The Sending}}<br><br />
{{T|1165757|The Seven Basic Plots: Why We Tell Stories}}<br><br />
{{T|1281157|The Seven Beauties of Science Fiction}} = DONE<br><br />
{{T|1411697|The Shark Invested Custard}}<br><br />
{{T|873505|The Short Fiction of Ambrose Bierce: A Comprehensive Edition}}<br><br />
{{T|1106631|The Shriek of Divinity}}<br><br />
{{T|1411675|The Shrine at Altamira}}<br><br />
{{T|1143828|The Skull of Agarash}}<br><br />
{{T|1068068|The Sorcerer Departs: Clark Ashton Smith (1893-1961)}}<br><br />
{{T|708489|The Sound of Wonder: Interviews from "The Science Fiction Radio Show", Volumes I and II}}<br><br />
{{T|755585|The Space Encyclopaedia: A Guide to Astronomy and Space Research}}<br><br />
{{T|1258078|The Space Encyclopedia}}<br><br />
{{T|1410834|The Space Novels of Jules Verne. Vol. One and Vol. Two}}<br><br />
{{T|1314207|The Spectre #1}}<br><br />
{{T|1249919|The Spiritual Meadow}}<br><br />
{{T|1069398|The State-of-the-Art Robot Catalog}}<br><br />
{{T|1162502|The Stephen King Quiz Book}}<br><br />
{{T|1140649|The Stephen King Quizbook}}<br><br />
{{T|879042|The Steranko History of Comics}}<br><br />
{{T|1072816|The Stranger}}<br><br />
{{T|855604|The Sun and the Earth as a Planet}}<br><br />
{{T|160394|The Tale of the Eternal Champion, Vol 2}}<br><br />
{{T|1072832|The Talented Mr. Ripley}}<br><br />
{{T|1066344|The Tangled Wing}}<br><br />
{{T|1135932|The Tasks of Tantalon}}<br><br />
{{T|1138216|The Tears of the Singers}}<br><br />
{{T|1113344|The Terror in the Night}}<br><br />
{{T|867421|The Testimony of the Spade}}<br><br />
{{T|859643|The Third Force}}<br><br />
{{T|1027629|The Third Mind}}<br><br />
{{T|938365|The Three Astronauts}}<br><br />
{{T|631177|The Time Machine & The War of the Worlds}}<br><br />
{{T|1135973|The Tolkien Calendar}}<br><br />
{{T|1411703|The Tome}}<br><br />
{{T|938268|The Town of a Magic Dream}}<br><br />
{{T|1257831|The Trembling Tower}}<br><br />
{{T|582433|The Trial}}<br><br />
{{T|1073570|The Trial}}<br><br />
{{T|1066923|The Tricentennial Report: Letters from America}}<br><br />
{{T|162148|The Trouble with Science}}<br><br />
{{T|166472|The Twilight Zone Scripts}}<br><br />
{{T|904462|The UFO Encyclopedia}}<br><br />
{{T|866504|The ULTIMATE Dangerous Visions}}<br><br />
{{T|923081|The Universe Next Door: The Making of Tomorrow's Science}}<br><br />
{{T|663489|The Universe We Live In}}<br><br />
{{T|1063691|The Untamed}}<br><br />
{{T|842098|The Velikovsky Affair}}<br><br />
{{T|1092461|The Velikovsky Affair}}<br><br />
{{T|1102858|The Vertical Plane}}<br><br />
{{T|1164211|The Vesuvius Club Graphic Edition}}<br><br />
{{T|1314737|The Vivisector}}<br><br />
{{T|161418|The Vonnegut Chronicles: Interviews and Essays (Edited by Peter J.Reed & Marc Leeds)}}<br><br />
{{T|1415599|The Voodoo Quantum Leap}}<br><br />
{{T|1282181|The Wake}}<br><br />
{{T|1314108|The Weirdbook Sampler}}<br><br />
{{T|1226174|The Wellsian}}<br><br />
{{T|1229272|The White Book}}<br><br />
{{T|166178|The Wide Window}}<br><br />
{{T|159430|The Wind After War}}<br><br />
{{T|1251967|The Winter Inside}}<br><br />
{{T|414031|The Witch Book}}<br><br />
{{T|1145713|The Wizard's Trade and Other Poems}}<br><br />
{{T|903313|The Works of Philip K. Dick}}<br><br />
{{T|615065|The Worlds of Fantasy Calendar 1976}}<br><br />
{{T|1160690|The X-Files: Dead to the World}}<br><br />
{{T|1149538|The XXXX Files}}<br><br />
{{T|1126524|The Yattering and Jack (Adapted by Steve Niles, Fred Burke, John Bolton, Hector Gomez)}}<br><br />
{{T|1249894|The Year's Best Science Fiction 2001}}<br><br />
{{T|938257|The Z Was Zapped}}<br><br />
{{T|1419255|The Zombie Combat Manual}}<br><br />
{{T|1230757|Theories of Everything}}<br><br />
{{T|927381|They Rode in Space Ships}}<br><br />
{{T|1405858|They That Dwell in Dark Places}}<br><br />
{{T|920726|They Walk Again}}<br><br />
{{T|1427193|This City is Alive}}<br><br />
{{T|776781|This New Ocean}}<br><br />
{{T|957501|Threat of the Atom War (Der Atomkrieg findet nicht statt)(German PR#21)}}<br><br />
{{T|601921|Three-Fisted Tales of "Bob"}}<br><br />
{{T|159508|Throat Sprockets}}<br><br />
{{T|1322834|Throne of Lies}}<br><br />
{{T|942822|Tides and the Pull of the Moon}}<br><br />
{{T|603449|Time Explorers, Inc.}}<br><br />
{{T|1144700|Titan: The Fighting Fantasy World}}<br><br />
{{T|1411693|To Die For}}<br><br />
{{T|1162493|To Speak for the Dead}}<br><br />
{{T|1314070|To the Recipient of This Volume}}<br><br />
{{T|1314605|To Yith and Beyond}}<br><br />
{{T|857515|Tomorrow Is Already Here}}<br><br />
{{T|874755|Towards a Unified Cosmology}}<br><br />
{{T|1203615|Tower in the Crooked Wood}}<br><br />
{{T|933184|Tracerlab (Catalog)}}<br><br />
{{T|582501|Track of the Cat}}<br><br />
{{T|194072|Transmetropolitan}}<br><br />
{{T|1095100|Traque-La-Mort}} = DONE<br><br />
{{T|1132233|Treasure}}<br><br />
{{T|1095610|Trident: Britain's Independent Arms Race}}<br><br />
{{T|1302452|Trillion Year Spree: A Review}}<br><br />
{{T|1419251|Trust Me}}<br><br />
{{T|920729|Try Another World}}<br><br />
{{T|1122863|Tune In for Pain}}<br><br />
{{T|343411|Turing and the Computer}}<br><br />
{{T|160328|Twelve}}<br><br />
{{T|1314201|Twentieth Century Literary Criticism 30}}<br><br />
{{T|1312886|Twentieth Century Literary Criticism, vol. 22}}<br><br />
{{T|1186693|Twentieth-Century American Science Fiction Writers: Dictionary of Literary Biography: Volume 8, Part 1 and 2}}<br><br />
{{T|1160617|Twister: The Screenplay}}<br><br />
<br />
==U-V==<br />
{{T|1229676|Unbounding the Future}}<br><br />
{{T|1314959|Uncollected Prose and Poetry}}<br><br />
{{T|1314985|Uncollected Prose and Poetry II}}<br><br />
{{T|352161|Under Cover of Darkness}}<br><br />
{{T|1447149|Under the Moons of Mars}} = DONE<br><br />
{{T|1230806|Underworld}}<br><br />
{{T|865095|Unnatural History: True Manitoba Mysteries}}<br><br />
{{T|1078993|Unnnatural Acts}}<br><br />
{{T|1419252|Untcigahunk: The Complete Little Brothers}}<br><br />
{{T|1087969|Uranium and Atomic Power}}<br><br />
{{T|1074403|Vampires, Burial, and Death}}<br><br />
{{T|758781|Van Nostrand's Scientific Encyclopedia}}<br><br />
{{T|868452|Vanishing Life: The Mystery of Extinctions}}<br><br />
{{T|1226794|Vautours}} = DONE<br><br />
{{T|1089603|Velikovsky Reconsidered}}<br><br />
{{T|1051998|Venus Speaks}}<br><br />
{{T|1412426|Viking Expansion Westwards}}<br><br />
{{T|1411684|Vindication}}<br><br />
{{T|1411666|Violence}}<br><br />
{{T|462781|Viper Three}}<br><br />
{{T|1224597|Virgin Finlay Remembered}}<br><br />
{{T|1089473|Visions Calendar 1979}}<br><br />
{{T|1089371|Visions I}}<br><br />
{{T|166837|Voice from the Edge, Volume 1: I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream (Audio)}}<br><br />
{{T|166838|Voice from the Edge, Volume ?: Midnight in the Sunken Cathedral (Audio)}}<br><br />
{{T|836271|Volume Five}}<br><br />
{{T|161128|Volume One: The Collected Ellison}}<br><br />
{{T|1095093|Vue En Coupe D'Une Ville Malade}} = published by denoel, not yet entered<br><br />
{{T|1338616|Völker der Sonne}}<br><br />
==W-Z==<br />
{{T|1095548|War Plan UK}}<br><br />
{{T|1088208|War Stars: The Superweapon and the American Imagination}}<br><br />
{{T|1224103|War World: Discovery}}<br><br />
{{T|1135988|Watching the Watchmen}}<br><br />
{{T|864242|We Are Not the First}}<br><br />
{{T|194016|What Did Miss Darrington See?}}<br><br />
{{T|851195|What Does a Martian Look Like? The Science of Extraterrestrial Life}}<br><br />
{{T|1261567|What Technology Wants}}<br><br />
{{T|1296978|When the Killing's Done}}<br><br />
{{T|1331047|When the Music's Over}}<br><br />
{{T|873232|Where the Woodbine Twines}}<br><br />
{{T|1313314|Whipple V. Phillips and the Owyhee Land and Irrigation Company}}<br><br />
{{T|1148607|Who Goes There? The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe}}<br><br />
{{T|938570|Why There is No Arguing in Heaven}}<br><br />
{{T|1419199|Wicked Plants: The Weed That Killed Lincoln's Mother and Other Botanical Atrocities}}<br><br />
{{T|1182836|Wild Turkey}}<br><br />
{{T|1322847|Wine and Rank Poison}}<br><br />
{{T|1274404|Wishes and Fears}}<br><br />
{{T|1419253|Within His Reach}}<br><br />
{{T|1314027|Within the Circle, In Memoriam: Franklin Lee Baldwin, 1913-1987}}<br><br />
{{T|1089376|Wizardry and Wild Romance Calendar 1978}}<br><br />
{{T|1226857|Womanspace}}<br><br />
{{T|1089943|Women & Performance: A Journal of Feminist Theory}}<br><br />
{{T|1258085|Wonderama}}<br><br />
{{T|1192136|Wookiee-Ookies}}<br><br />
{{T|160334|World Brain}}<br><br />
{{T|596833|World in Crisis}}<br><br />
{{T|1455877|World of Faerie}}<br><br />
{{T|937133|Worlds in Small}}<br><br />
{{T|1123565|Writers of the Future}}<br><br />
{{T|1073540|Wuthering Heights}}<br><br />
{{T|1064751|Yorick Fantasy Magazine, November 1990 - March 1991}}<br><br />
{{T|1064752|Yorick Fantasy Magazine, October 1991 - January 1992}}<br><br />
{{T|1064753|Yorick Fantasy Magazine, September 1992 - March 1993}}<br><br />
{{T|904461|You Cannot Die}}<br><br />
{{T|753209|Your Trip into Space}}<br><br />
{{T|1199201|Yours, Isaac Asimov}}<br><br />
{{T|1381974|Zaczarowana gra}}<br><br />
{{T|873502|Zencore!}}<br><br />
{{T|1381978|Zwiozdnyje do&#380;di}}<br><br />
{{T|1338622|Zwischen den Atomen}}<br><br />
{{T|1120101|_Amazing_ Vol 50, Issue 1}}<br></div>DESiegel60https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=ISFDB:Unlinked_Reviews&diff=280266ISFDB:Unlinked Reviews2012-07-21T19:08:50Z<p>DESiegel60: /* E */ sections thru J</p>
<hr />
<div>==A==<br />
{{T|1303721|As in Ancient Days: Tales of Zothique & The Book of Hyperborea}}<br><br />
{{T|601925|Bob's Favorite Comics}}<br><br />
{{T|1314101|Eleusinia and "Beneath the Barley"}}<br><br />
{{T|1217128|First Session}}<br><br />
{{T|1303710|How Modern Horror Was Born: Tales of the Dead: The Ghost Stories of the Villa Deodati}}<br><br />
{{T|1217126|The Dream That Became Deryni}}<br><br />
{{T|1217129|The Examen}}<br><br />
{{T|1303728|When the Chill Sets In: Night Relics & Winter Tides}}<br><br />
{{T|1380875|&#346;ledztwo / Katar}}<br><br />
{{T|166811|... is this a cat?}}<br><br />
{{T|1313200|13 Short Horror Novels}}<br><br />
{{T|973493|1984 and Beyond}}<br><br />
{{T|603105|2001: A Space Odyssey read by Arthur C. Clarke}}<br><br />
{{T|885555|2012}}<br><br />
{{T|166836|A Boy and His Dog, plus "Repent, Harlequin!" Said the Ticktockman (Audio)}}<br><br />
{{T|938264|A Bruce Boston Omnibus}}<br><br />
{{T|563641|A Celebration of Writing}}<br><br />
{{T|944017|A Century of Punch Cartoons}}<br><br />
{{T|1082681|A Checklist of SF Paperbacks in Print in Jan 1966}}<br><br />
{{T|920727|A Comet Strikes the Earth}}<br><br />
{{T|602849|A Coven of Witches Tales told by Vincent Price}}<br><br />
{{T|1405200|A Fekete Kalóz}}<br><br />
{{T|935791|A Gude to the Moon}}<br><br />
{{T|857049|A Guide to the Planets}}<br><br />
{{T|1356299|A Hatful of Sky}}<br><br />
{{T|161423|A History of Violence}}<br><br />
{{T|603101|A Hornbook for Witches read by Vincent Price}}<br><br />
{{T|1095101|A L'Image du Dragon}} = DONE<br><br />
{{T|596841|A Pictorial Anthology of Witchcraft, Magic and Alchemy}}<br><br />
{{T|1121048|A Pictorial Biography}}<br><br />
{{T|1303438|A Pound of Paper}}<br><br />
{{T|995546|A Review of Chrysalis}}<br><br />
{{T|1419218|A Rhapsody for the Eternal}}<br><br />
{{T|1211181|A Screenplay}}<br><br />
{{T|1072893|A Sight for Sore Eyes}}<br><br />
{{T|873497|A Study of Destiny}}<br><br />
{{T|1381979|A&#322;maz Szach}}<br><br />
{{T|947932|AB to Zogg}}<br><br />
{{T|851211|Adaptive Technologies for Learning & Work Environments, 2nd ed.}}<br><br />
{{T|882773|Advise and Consent}}<br><br />
{{T|880643|African Genesis}}<br><br />
{{T|1044749|After All These Years...}}<br><br />
{{T|1405838|Against Religion: The Atheist Writings of H. P. Lovecraft}}<br><br />
{{T|1092469|Ages in Chaos (Volume 1)}}<br><br />
{{T|981115|Ailleurs & Autres}} = NOT DOABLE (A&A is the title of a french fanzine)<br><br />
{{T|1316696|Aklo: A Journal of the Fantastic #1}}<br><br />
{{T|944015|Al Capp's Bald Iggle}}<br><br />
{{T|1117781|Alan Moore Spells It Out}}<br><br />
{{T|1261117|Alex Unlimited: The Vosarak Code}}<br><br />
{{T|853099|Algorithm}}<br><br />
{{T|1280920|Alice on the Shelf}}<br><br />
{{T|1121528|Alien Issue 1}}<br><br />
{{T|1338618|Alien-Lexikon}}<br><br />
{{T|1161118|Aliens: Genocide}}<br><br />
{{T|1161120|Aliens: Labyrinth}}<br><br />
{{T|1026287|Allira's Gift}}<br><br />
{{T|1356152|Alternative Godzillas: A Sound of Thunder}}<br><br />
{{T|1044750|Amber Diceless Role-Playing}}<br><br />
{{T|911785|America as Second Creation: Technology and Narratives of New Beginnings}}<br><br />
{{T|462621|American Film Genres: Approaches to a Critical Theory of Popular Film}}<br><br />
{{T|1411687|Among the Dead}}<br><br />
{{T|1411668|Among the Thuds}}<br><br />
{{T|866373|Amra}}<br><br />
{{T|850796|An Author Index to Astounding/Analog: Part II—Vol. 36, #1, September, 1945 to Vol. 73 #3, May, 1964}}<br><br />
{{T|1312994|An Epistle to Francis, Ld. Belknap}}<br><br />
{{T|1312993|An Epistle to the Rt. Honble Maurice Winter Moe, Esq.}}<br><br />
{{T|1215830|An Hour with Isaac Asimov: "Building a Firm Foundation"}}<br><br />
{{T|1121031|An Introduction to Elvish}}<br><br />
{{T|1257730|An Introduction to Rockets and Space Flight}}<br><br />
{{T|1215817|An Introduction to the J. Lloyd Eaton Collection of Science Fiction and Fantasy}}<br><br />
{{T|1445221|Analog 8}} = DONE<br><br />
{{T|1447146|Analog 8}}= DONE<br><br />
{{T|1243212|Analog Science Fiction and Fact, April 2007}}<br><br />
{{T|850667|Ancient Ruins and Archaeology}}<br><br />
{{T|1276247|Animal Treasure}}<br><br />
{{T|1323754|Anniversaries: The Write Fantastic}}<br><br />
{{T|1257718|Another Tree in Eden}}<br><br />
{{T|160973|Apocalypse Culture}}<br><br />
{{T|1314614|Arkham House 1939-1989}}<br><br />
{{T|1303436|Arthur C. Clarke and Lord Dunsany: A Correspondence}}<br><br />
{{T|871002|Artificial Earth Satellites}}<br><br />
{{T|1411701|As the Canary Goes By}}<br><br />
{{T|1243206|Asimov's Science Fiction, April-May 2007}}<br><br />
{{T|1243210|Asimov's Science Fiction, April-May 2007}}<br><br />
{{T|1428547|Asphalt Flowerhead}}<br><br />
{{T|919639|Assault on Mars}}<br><br />
{{T|1008204|Astoria}}<br><br />
{{T|775097|Astronomy}}<br><br />
{{T|1243487|At the Caligula Hotel}}<br><br />
{{T|753981|Atomic Energy}}<br><br />
{{T|873527|Audiovile}}<br><br />
{{T|1095095|Ausii Lourd Que Le Vent}}<br><br />
{{T|1121615|Author's Work Listings 1 & 2}}<br><br />
{{T|1311793|Autobiographical Memoir}}<br><br />
{{T|1282875|Autumn: The City}}<br><br />
<br />
==B==<br />
{{T|866507|Babbitt&#8217;s Dilemma}}<br><br />
{{T|1160060|Babylon 5}}<br><br />
{{T|993891|Back Cover Book Review: The New AToms' Bombshell}}<br><br />
{{T|1323749|Back to the Middle of Nowhere}}<br><br />
{{T|1181698|Bad Girls Do It!}}<br><br />
{{T|1121485|BASRA Journal vol 1 no 4}}<br><br />
{{T|159518|Batman Forever}}<br><br />
{{T|159519|Batman Knightfall}}<br><br />
{{T|1160097|Batman vs. Predator 2: Bloodmatch}}<br><br />
{{T|1156109|Batman: Anarky}}<br><br />
{{T|1160098|Batman: The Last Arkham}}<br><br />
{{T|1203572|Battlestar Galactica and Philosophy}}<br><br />
{{T|1440546|Beast}}<br><br />
{{T|938447|Beauties, Beasts, and Enchantments: Classic French Fairy Tales}}<br><br />
{{T|1102492|Begotten of the Demon}}<br><br />
{{T|847348|Behind the Sputniks}}<br><br />
{{T|1331044|Bekanntlich}}<br><br />
{{T|1102499|Beloved of Satan}}<br><br />
{{T|1123690|Best New Science Fiction}}<br><br />
{{T|1089531|Best Science Fiction of the Year: 1 Part One}}<br><br />
{{T|1092477|Best Science Fiction of the Year: 1 Part Two}}<br><br />
{{T|917409|Beyond the Four Dimensions}}<br><br />
{{T|930410|Beyond the Reach of Sense}}<br><br />
{{T|1065225|Black Diamonds}}<br><br />
{{T|1062427|Black Holes}}<br><br />
{{T|1411680|Black Water}}<br><br />
{{T|1373790|Blind Hunger}}<br><br />
{{T|159513|Blood Moon}}<br><br />
{{T|166586|Boneyard Volume One}}<br><br />
{{T|1398255|Book Of Dark Wisdom}}<br><br />
{{T|1241122|Books: To Russia With Love}}<br><br />
{{T|616921|Boris Karloff and His Films}}<br><br />
{{T|1062556|Bradbury 13}}<br><br />
{{T|1072975|Breakout into Space}}<br><br />
{{T|1311687|Brian Lumley: A New Bibliography}}<br><br />
{{T|583833|Brief Lives}}<br><br />
{{T|1226453|Brimmed Hat with Flowers}}<br><br />
{{T|1366597|British Science Fiction Cinema}}<br><br />
{{T|905241|Broca's Brain - Reflections on the Romance of Science}}<br><br />
{{T|1228247|Buck Rogers: 25th Century A.D.}}<br><br />
{{T|1165576|Buddha: Ananda}}<br><br />
{{T|1165575|Buddha: Deer Park}}<br><br />
{{T|1165573|Buddha: Devadatta}}<br><br />
{{T|1165578|Buddha: Jetavana}}<br><br />
{{T|1165577|Buddha: Prince Ajatasattu}}<br><br />
{{T|1165574|Buddha: The Forest of Uruvela}}<br><br />
{{T|1164617|Buddha: The Four Encounters (Volume 2)}}<br><br />
{{T|1411681|Buffalo Soldiers}}<br><br />
{{T|1211211|Building Sci-Fi Moviescapes}}<br><br />
{{T|1435518|By Other Mean}}<br><br />
{{T|1106619|By-Ways on the Shining Path}}<br><br />
==C==<br />
{{T|949753|Can a TV Tie-In Novel Achieve Excellence? Jeanne Cavelos' The Passing of the Techno-Mages}}<br><br />
{{T|1434849|Captain Future series}}<br><br />
{{T|760461|Cartoon Laffs from True}}<br><br />
{{T|1386304|Catamount Press, a poem sampling}}<br><br />
{{T|1451943|Celtia: Fantasy Drawings in the Celtic Style}}<br><br />
{{T|930411|Challenge of Psychical Research}}<br><br />
{{T|886796|Chariots of the Gods}}<br><br />
{{T|864234|Chariots of the Gods?}}<br><br />
{{T|1419215|Chasing the Dragon}}<br><br />
{{T|201241|Check List of Fantastic Novels}}<br><br />
{{T|1411677|Child of God}}<br><br />
{{T|1161202|Childhood Ends}}<br><br />
{{T|938339|Chronicles of the Mutant Rain Forest}}<br><br />
{{T|1086906|Cinefan 3}}<br><br />
{{T|1123432|Citador}}<br><br />
{{T|1313199|Clark Ashton Smith: Letters to H. P. Lovecraft}}<br><br />
{{T|1144693|Clash of the Princes}}<br><br />
{{T|1160061|Classic Star Wars: Book 2}}<br><br />
{{T|1160062|Classic Star Wars: Book 3}}<br><br />
{{T|1419208|Classics and Contemporaries}}<br><br />
{{T|1229096|Classics and Contemporaries: Some Notes on Horror Fiction}}<br><br />
{{T|1125816|Clive Barker's Nightbreed}}<br><br />
{{T|1097267|Close Encounters of the Third Kind 1979 UFO Calendar}}<br><br />
{{T|1097268|Close Encounters of the Third Kind Portfolio}}<br><br />
{{T|1092220|Code and Other Laws of Cyberspace}}<br><br />
{{T|873220|Collected Essays}}<br><br />
{{T|1313474|Collected Poems}}<br><br />
{{T|408121|Collected Works, Volume One}}<br><br />
{{T|839035|Colony: Earth}}<br><br />
{{T|583281|Comic Book Rebels}}<br><br />
{{T|1201433|Conquetes}}<br><br />
{{T|1148613|Conspiracy: Who Killed the President?}}<br><br />
{{T|617369|Contes de Terreur}} = book is part of the OPTA CLAF series, not entered yet.<br><br />
{{T|576517|Convention Annual No. 3. Discon edition}}<br><br />
{{T|1428545|Cosmetica}}<br><br />
{{T|1072780|Cosmic Joy and Local Pain}}<br><br />
{{T|1188501|Cosmologies of Consciousness}}<br><br />
{{T|935497|Countdown to Apocalypse: Asteroids, Tidal Waves and the End of the World}}<br><br />
{{T|1356302|Coyote & Coyote Rising}}<br><br />
{{T|1066742|Creating Peace}}<br><br />
{{T|1146727|Creature of Havoc}}<br><br />
{{T|544833|Crime and Mystery: The 100 Best Books}}<br><br />
{{T|166107|Crimewave 4: Mood Indigo}}<br><br />
{{T|166175|Crimewave 5: Dark Before Dawn}}<br><br />
{{T|1419238|Crossed}}<br><br />
{{T|1146901|Crypt of the Sorceror}}<br><br />
{{T|882703|Cybernetics}}<br><br />
{{T|920966|Cybernetics}}<br><br />
{{T|832160|Cybertexts}}<br><br />
==D==<br />
{{T|1092505|Dali}}<br><br />
{{T|1026280|Dalton Quayle Rides Out}}<br><br />
{{T|1113377|Damned If You Do}}<br><br />
{{T|408061|Dance of the Dwarfs}}<br><br />
{{T|1244006|Dancing in Circles}}<br><br />
{{T|1145711|Dark Words, Gentle Sounds}}<br><br />
{{T|873233|Dead of Winter}}<br><br />
{{T|1419230|Death Mask}}<br><br />
{{T|1200933|Decline of the Pulps}}<br><br />
{{T|1066345|Deep Space}}<br><br />
{{T|1160058|Deep Space Nine, Star Trek The Next Generation: The Landmark Crossover}}<br><br />
{{T|1313204|Deep Things Out of Darkness}}<br><br />
{{T|1215052|Demon Bitch's Punishment}}<br><br />
{{T|1338614|Der 7. Schrein}}<br><br />
{{T|1338621|Der Klang der Stille}}<br><br />
{{T|1226135|Der Pflanzen Heiland}}<br><br />
{{T|1331050|Der Tag des silbernen Tieres}}<br><br />
{{T|934370|Design for Decision}}<br><br />
{{T|837517|Designing the Future, the Role of Technological Forecasting}}<br><br />
{{T|917620|Destinies}}<br><br />
{{T|1215957|Devil's Handmaiden}}<br><br />
{{T|1102496|Devil's Incest Daughter}}<br><br />
{{T|1215958|Devil's Sex Slaves}}<br><br />
{{T|1411011|Dimensions Beyond the Known}}<br><br />
{{T|857279|Discovery of the Universe}}<br><br />
{{T|1419200|Dissection: Photographs of a Rite of Passage in American Medicine, 1880-1930}}<br><br />
{{T|1202230|Diverse books}}<br><br />
{{T|860470|Divine Intervention}}<br><br />
{{T|981266|Doctor Who Monthly}}<br><br />
{{T|1086978|Dodecahedron (1986 Fantasy Calendar)}}<br><br />
{{T|1151768|Dr Tim (Book One)}}<br><br />
{{T|166933|Dr. No}}<br><br />
{{T|1405846|Dracula's Guest and Other Tales of Horror}}<br><br />
{{T|1419241|Draculas}}<br><br />
{{T|1106622|Dragon Hunt Through Avalon}}<br><br />
{{T|1126514|Dragonflight (Adapted by Brynne Stephens, Lela Dowling, Cynthia Martin, Fred Von Tobel)}}<br><br />
{{T|1188345|Dreadmaster, Book One of the Storm of Wings Trilogy}}<br><br />
{{T|159521|Dreams of Decadence}}<br><br />
{{T|1159789|Dreamsongs}}<br><br />
{{T|1163035|Drek Yarman}}<br><br />
{{T|1380876|Druga jesie&#324;}}<br><br />
{{T|194050|Dujonian's Hoard}}<br><br />
{{T|615029|Dulac}}<br><br />
{{T|1174001|Duplicating Notes}}<br><br />
==E==<br />
{{T|679373|E. C. Tubb - An Evaluation}}<br><br />
{{T|955894|Earth in Turmoil}}<br><br />
{{T|1052241|Earth Satellite}}<br><br />
{{T|867427|Earth Satellites}}<br><br />
{{T|992494|Earth™}}<br><br />
{{T|609241|Edgar Rice Burroughs Biblio}}<br><br />
{{T|857646|Edgar Rice Burroughs Biblio}}<br><br />
{{T|867283|Edgar Rice Burroughs Biblio}}<br><br />
{{T|1078992|Edward Lee's Quest for Sex, Truth and Reality}}<br><br />
{{T|940280|Eglerio! In Praise of Tolkien}}<br><br />
{{T|730725|Eight Hundred Leagues on the Amazon}}<br><br />
{{T|213901|Ein Moderner Mythus}}<br><br />
{{T|343401|Einstein and Relativity}}<br><br />
{{T|1338625|Eisblutgeschichten}}<br><br />
{{T|1204612|Elementarteilchen}}<br><br />
{{T|1282877|Elements of the Apocalypse}}<br><br />
{{T|1186686|Ellison Reads Ellison}}<br><br />
{{T|166161|Elric}}<br><br />
{{T|194051|En Garde}}<br><br />
{{T|1160635|Enchantment's Edge}}<br><br />
{{T|1089320|Encyclopaedia of Prophecy}}<br><br />
{{T|758497|Encyclopedia Americana}}<br><br />
{{T|892345|Energy Victory}}<br><br />
{{T|1143796|Engineer Garin and His Death Ray}}<br><br />
{{T|1104317|Engines of Tomorrow}}<br><br />
{{T|915224|Enterprise}}<br><br />
{{T|1071608|Envoys of Mankind}}<br><br />
{{T|1256635|Escape to Venus}}<br><br />
{{T|927047|ESP and Personality Patterns}}<br><br />
{{T|992396|Essential Software for Writers}}<br><br />
{{T|1311917|Etchings and Odysseys #6}}<br><br />
{{T|1165145|Eternal Vigilance}}<br><br />
{{T|1117778|Etiquette With Your Robot Wife And Thirty More SF/F/H Lists}}<br><br />
{{T|1196340|Evenings with Demons}}<br><br />
{{T|1419243|Evil Spine-Tingling True Stories of Murder and Mayhem}}<br><br />
{{T|732137|Evolution in Action}}<br><br />
{{T|859506|Exotic Zoology}}<br><br />
{{T|785829|Exploring Space With a Camera}}<br><br />
{{T|1411673|Exposure}}<br><br />
{{T|1226852|Extro}}<br><br />
{{T|1092471|Eyes of Laura Mars}}<br><br />
==F==<br />
{{T|883464|Fables}}<br><br />
{{T|602785|Faces in the Flames}}<br><br />
{{T|1061456|Facts and Fallacies: A Book of Definitive Mistakes and Misguided Predictions}}<br><br />
{{T|1229017|Fahrenbrink}}<br><br />
{{T|603477|Fairy Tale Favorites told by Mary Strang}}<br><br />
{{T|1236287|False Gods}}<br><br />
{{T|1397567|Fanews Portfolio}}<br><br />
{{T|404201|Fantastic Nudes, 2nd Series}}<br><br />
{{T|1447684|Fantasy and Science Fiction: A Critical Guide}}<br><br />
{{T|895904|Fantasy Calendar for 1950}}<br><br />
{{T|1397718|Fantasy Commentator: Sam Moskowitz and A. Langley Searles Memorial Issue}}<br><br />
{{T|1311569|Fantasy Empire "Lovecraft Special"}}<br><br />
{{T|1097438|Fantasy Media}}<br><br />
{{T|1097392|Fantasy Newsletter}}<br><br />
{{T|1226252|Fantasy Research & Bibliography}}<br><br />
{{T|1218126|Fantasy Tales}}<br><br />
{{T|1443426|Fantasy Tales 3}}<br><br />
{{T|1072808|Fantômas}} = Fantômas is a series of novels about a criminal mastermind, it's not really SF<br><br />
{{T|1203629|Far Arena: Part Five of the Okal Rel Saga}}<br><br />
{{T|166825|Far West}}<br><br />
{{T|1248952|Faster: the Acceleration of Just About Everything}}<br><br />
{{T|1088240|Fatal Women}}<br><br />
{{T|1331983|Fenrir}}<br><br />
{{T|609849|Feral}}<br><br />
{{T|616325|Fiction Writer's Handbook}}<br><br />
{{T|1186702|Fiction Writer's Market}}<br><br />
{{T|615221|Film Fantasy Scrapbook, New Edition}}<br><br />
{{T|1089940|Final Crisis: Legion of 3 Worlds}}<br><br />
{{T|1095547|First Strike! The Pentagon's Strategy for Nuclear War}}<br><br />
{{T|911994|Five Quarts: A Personal and Natural History of Blood}}<br><br />
{{T|817541|Flash Gordon: Into the Water World of Mongo}}<br><br />
{{T|1066379|Flim-Flam!}}<br><br />
{{T|404171|Fly By Night}}<br><br />
{{T|854931|Flying Saucers and the Straight-Line Mystery}}<br><br />
{{T|1256563|Flying Saucers from Another World}}<br><br />
{{T|835236|Flying Saucers: Fact or Fiction?}}<br><br />
{{T|1185930|Flying to 3,000 B.C.}}<br><br />
{{T|987619|Fool for an Agent}}<br><br />
{{T|864237|Forgotten Worlds}}<br><br />
{{T|1097390|Forthcoming SF Books}}<br><br />
{{T|209181|Fortress in the Sky}}<br><br />
{{T|1132244|Foss Poster Portfolio}}<br><br />
{{T|603093|Foundation read by William Shatner}}<br><br />
{{T|618153|Frankenstein}}<br><br />
{{T|1229088|Frankenstein: Icon of Modern Culture}}<br><br />
{{T|1332280|Freakcidents: A Surrealist Sideshow}}<br><br />
{{T|1411689|Free Fall}}<br><br />
{{T|1069828|Free Software}}<br><br />
{{T|938446|French Folktales from the Collection of Henri Pourrat}}<br><br />
{{T|1443402|Frisk}}<br><br />
{{T|1250416|From Blue to Black}}<br><br />
{{T|1280917|From Dawn to Dusk}}<br><br />
{{T|1061828|From Here to Quiddity: Clive Barker's The Great and Secret Show}}<br><br />
{{T|427371|From Jules Verne to Star Trek}}<br><br />
{{T|777777|From the Hells Beneath the Hells}}<br><br />
{{T|684773|From the Hells Beneath the Hells (audio recording)}}<br><br />
{{T|923083|Funny Face!}}<br><br />
{{T|1234901|Förchtbar Maschien}}<br><br />
==G==<br />
{{T|1444844|G-8 and His Battle Aces #1: The Bat Staffel}}<br><br />
{{T|1121032|Galaxies Interieures 1}} = published by Denoel in the Présence du Futur series, not entered yet<br><br />
{{T|1121033|Galaxies Interieures 2}} = DONE<br><br />
{{T|866501|Gantry Affairs}}<br><br />
{{T|1048382|Gantz}}<br><br />
{{T|1066315|Genetic Alchemy}}<br><br />
{{T|1405857|Ghosts of Wyoming}}<br><br />
{{T|1226227|Giger N. Y. City}}<br><br />
{{T|166823|Gil Kane: The Art of the Comics}}<br><br />
{{T|1089373|God Jokes: The Art of Abdul Mati Klarwein}}<br><br />
{{T|744297|God Save the Queen}}<br><br />
{{T|1321092|God's War}}<br><br />
{{T|864246|Gods and Spacemen in the Ancient East}}<br><br />
{{T|864235|Gods From Outer Space}}<br><br />
{{T|864236|Gold of the Gods}}<br><br />
{{T|1026023|Golden}}<br><br />
{{T|604565|Gonna Roll the Bones read by Fritz Leiber}}<br><br />
{{T|1140747|Gothic Rock: All you ever wanted to know}}<br><br />
{{T|944018|Grab Your Socks}}<br><br />
{{T|1285895|Gradisil}}<br><br />
{{T|424051|Granfa' Grig Had a Pig}}<br><br />
{{T|602857|Gravely, Robert Bloch}}<br><br />
{{T|1293220|Gravesend}}<br><br />
{{T|768765|Green Lantern & Green Arrow #1}}<br><br />
{{T|1121589|Green Suns}}<br><br />
{{T|1186685|Greg Press Science Fiction Series: The Works of Fritz Leiber}}<br><br />
{{T|929772|Guided Missiles in War and Peace}}<br><br />
{{T|408021|Guzman Go Home}}<br><br />
==H==<br />
{{T|1228711|H. G. Wells' Literary Criticism}}<br><br />
{{T|1188609|H. P. Lovecraft's Book of the Supernatural}}<br><br />
{{T|1311689|H. P. Lovecraft—Out for Blood}}<br><br />
{{T|1404198|H. Rider Haggard: His Life and Works}}<br><br />
{{T|866506|Handbook of Management}}<br><br />
{{T|604533|Hannes Bok II}}<br><br />
{{T|639565|Harlan! (audio recording)}}<br><br />
{{T|604569|Harlan! Harlan Ellison reads Harlan Ellison}}<br><br />
{{T|1266114|Harmon Place and Other Stories}}<br><br />
{{T|862897|Haunted New England}}<br><br />
{{T|938454|Having Technology}}<br><br />
{{T|1285164|he Country You Have Never Seen: Essays and Reviews}} = DONE, title mispelled<br><br />
{{T|582389|Heart of Darkness}}<br><br />
{{T|1121586|Heart of the Serpent}} = Effremov's novel ?<br><br />
{{T|1107800|Heat, Vol. 0}}<br><br />
{{T|856792|Heaven and Hell}}<br><br />
{{T|1215050|Hell's Bitch}}<br><br />
{{T|1411682|Hello Down There}}<br><br />
{{T|1146726|Helmquest}}<br><br />
{{T|1428549|Help! A Bear is Eating Me!}}<br><br />
{{T|1102494|Her Master Was Satan}}<br><br />
{{T|1226840|Heyne Science Fiction Magazin}}<br><br />
{{T|856277|Highway of the Sun}}<br><br />
{{T|1338626|Hilferuf aus Animaland}}<br><br />
{{T|786017|Hiroshima}}<br><br />
{{T|856394|Hoaxes}}<br><br />
{{T|1140638|Hoffman's Guide to SF, Horror and Fantasy Movies}}<br><br />
{{T|943130|Homebodies}}<br><br />
{{T|1069279|Horror Comics: The Illustrated History}}<br><br />
{{T|404221|Horror Films}}<br><br />
{{T|161017|Hot Blood}}<br><br />
{{T|1072827|House of Flesh}}<br><br />
{{T|1121674|How Doth the Busy Little Ant}}<br><br />
{{T|993890|How to Good-Bye Depression: If You Constrict Anus 100 Times Everyday. Malarkey? or Effective Way?}}<br><br />
{{T|160333|How To Live Forever}}<br><br />
==I==<br />
{{T|335321|I Don't Know About Art}}<br><br />
{{T|335491|I Don't Know About Art}}<br><br />
{{T|873231|Icons of Horror and the Supernatural: An Encyclopedia of Our Worst Nightmares}}<br><br />
{{T|1397721|If By Reason of Strength}}<br><br />
{{T|1064754|Il segno del serpente}}<br><br />
{{T|1200932|Imagination}}<br><br />
{{T|1438718|Imaro II: The Quest for Cush}}<br><br />
{{T|1082598|Impulse 4}}<br><br />
{{T|1082599|Impulse 5}}<br><br />
{{T|1125033|In Conversation: A Writer's Perspective - Volume One: Horror}}<br><br />
{{T|905824|In Deepspace Shadows: A Dramatic Poem in Two Acts}}<br><br />
{{T|1226846|In Laurins Blick}}<br><br />
{{T|866371|In Memoriam: Clark Ashton Smith}}<br><br />
{{T|1308639|In Memoriam: Howard Phillips Lovecraft; Ethel M. Phillips Morrish}}<br><br />
{{T|942821|In Search of Ancient Astronomies}}<br><br />
{{T|864244|In Search of Ancient Mysteries}}<br><br />
{{T|938569|In the Beginning: Creation Stories from Around the World}}<br><br />
{{T|1104111|Index to British Science Fiction Magazines}}<br><br />
{{T|850795|Index to the Science Fiction and Fantasy Magazines: 1963}}<br><br />
{{T|806973|Index to the Science Fiction Magazines, 1969}}<br><br />
{{T|868205|Index to the Science Fiction Magazines: 1962}}<br><br />
{{T|829999|Index to the Science Fiction Magazines: 1967}}<br><br />
{{T|1060257|Index to the Strand Magazine 1891-1950}}<br><br />
{{T|217421|Industrial Nuclear Development}}<br><br />
{{T|1067529|Information Mechanics}}<br><br />
{{T|1313476|Insidious Garden: A Look at Horror Fiction}}<br><br />
{{T|1454449|Interplanetary: A History of the British Interplanetary Society}}<br><br />
{{T|1121051|Interstellar Travel}}<br><br />
{{T|1192096|Interview with R. A. Salvatore}}<br><br />
{{T|1286591|Interview: Chuck Palahniuk}}<br><br />
{{T|1243207|Interzone, No 208, February 2007}}<br><br />
{{T|1243213|Interzone, No 208, February 2007}}<br><br />
{{T|934280|Into Space}}<br><br />
{{T|1094312|Into Thin Air}}<br><br />
{{T|908750|Introduction to Modern Physics}}<br><br />
{{T|859641|Introduction to Space}}<br><br />
{{T|1224623|Irish Masters of Fantasy}}<br><br />
{{T|857647|It #6: UPA Issue}}<br><br />
{{T|993893|It Was a Dark and Stormy Night}}<br><br />
==J==<br />
{{T|1120075|J. G. Ballard: The First Twenty Years}}<br><br />
{{T|615081|J. R. R. Tolkien Calendar 1976 by the Brothers Hildebrandt}}<br><br />
{{T|609609|J. R. R. Tolkien Reads and Sings His The Hobbit and The Fellowship of the Ring}}<br><br />
{{T|609613|J. R. R. Tolkien Reads and Sings His The Lord of the Rings (The Two Towers and The Return of the King)}}<br><br />
{{T|1094367|Jackie! All the Famous Broadsheets}}<br><br />
{{T|853152|James Gleick's CHAOS, the Software}}<br><br />
{{T|885388|John Constantine, Hellblazer: All His Engines}}<br><br />
{{T|1121242|John Russell Fearn - An Evaluation}}<br><br />
{{T|1387818|Journal of an Astronaut / Nostalgia of the Infinite}}<br><br />
{{T|861281|Journal Wired}}<br><br />
{{T|1213011|Journal Wired}}<br><br />
{{T|856919|Jules Verne, Prophet of a New Age}}<br><br />
{{T|1415284|Ka-Qua-Hawk-as}}<br><br />
{{T|1429953|Kadath}}<br><br />
{{T|615033|Kay Nielsen}}<br><br />
{{T|1347490|Kea's Flight}}<br><br />
{{T|1229089|Keep Watching the Skies! American Science Fiction Movies of the Fifties}}<br><br />
{{T|1281777|Kelland}}<br><br />
{{T|1418470|Kermit's Garden of Verses}}<br><br />
{{T|408051|King Queen Knave}}<br><br />
{{T|1303743|King Rat & Perdido Street Station}}<br><br />
{{T|1165177|Kitty}}<br><br />
{{T|578569|Kooperation}}<br><br />
{{T|1379312|Kronika Akaszy (Inicjacja, Skorupa Astralna)}}<br><br />
{{T|1382704|Kurs na zderzenie}}<br><br />
{{T|700681|L'Annee 1982-1983 de la Science-Fiction et du Fantastique}} = DONE<br><br />
{{T|980922|L'Ecran fantastique: la nouvelle dimension du cinema}}<br><br />
{{T|1224581|L'enfant des glaces}} = DONE<br><br />
{{T|1196813|L. A. Requiem}}<br><br />
{{T|1224614|La Nouvelle Science-Fiction Americaine}} = DONE<br><br />
{{T|985969|La Science-Fiction Francaise: 1918-1968}} = DONE<br><br />
{{T|1338627|Landa - Rebellin für die Freiheit}}<br><br />
{{T|925201|Larrousse Encyclopedia of Astronomy}}<br><br />
{{T|909728|Laugh or Cry: Finding the Lighter Side of disABILITIES}}<br><br />
{{T|1303699|Laughing Gas}}<br><br />
{{T|1106615|Lazarus 9}}<br><br />
{{T|1095098|Le Nuisible}}<br><br />
{{T|1226842|Le Planete du Jugement}} = DONE<br><br />
{{T|1226843|Le snant n'es pas le mort et autres recits}}<br><br />
{{T|563669|Legend: The Graphic Novel}}<br><br />
{{T|1095099|Les Manguers de Muraille}} = DONE (review title corrected)<br><br />
{{T|1095094|Les Sentinelles D'Almoha}} = DONE<br><br />
{{T|1121118|Let's Go to Golgotha}}<br><br />
{{T|995381|Letters of the Alien Publisher}}<br><br />
{{T|162142|Licence Denied: Ramblings from the Doctor Who Underground}}<br><br />
{{T|1331043|Lichtjahr 7}}<br><br />
{{T|1147087|Life Between Life}}<br><br />
{{T|1309073|Life of Insects}}<br><br />
{{T|1102495|Lilith's Daughter}}<br><br />
{{T|873236|Literary Walking Tours of Gothic Dublin}}<br><br />
{{T|1319614|Little Nemo in Slumberland}}<br><br />
{{T|867429|Living Magic}}<br><br />
{{T|622637|Lobbying for Space}}<br><br />
{{T|902701|Local Area Networks in Large Organizations: A Manager's Briefing}}<br><br />
{{T|1280891|Logan's Run: Last Day #1}}<br><br />
{{T|1243214|Lone Star Stories, #19}}<br><br />
{{T|1100656|Lost Atlantis}}<br><br />
{{T|1307165|Lost Cities of Ancient Lemuria and the Pacific}}<br><br />
{{T|1181687|Lost in Booth Nine}}<br><br />
{{T|1312006|Lost in the Rentharpian Hills: Spanning the Decades with Carl Jacobi}}<br><br />
{{T|615209|Lost Worlds}}<br><br />
{{T|949775|Love Versus Corruption in a Psychological Space Opera: C.J. Merle's Of Honor and Treason}}<br><br />
{{T|1311836|Lovecraft Remembered}}<br><br />
{{T|1312493|Lovecraft Studies #12}}<br><br />
{{T|1313201|Lovecraft Studies #15}}<br><br />
{{T|1314073|Lovecraft Studies #17}}<br><br />
{{T|1308636|Lovecraft Studies 14}}<br><br />
{{T|1308360|Lovecraft Studies 16}}<br><br />
{{T|1314739|Lovecraft Studies 21}}<br><br />
{{T|1313308|Lovecraft: A Study in the Fantastic}}<br><br />
{{T|1215051|Lucifer's Altar Girl}}<br><br />
{{T|753189|Lueurs sur les Soucoupes Volantes}}<br><br />
{{T|602841|Lugosi: The Man Behind the Cape}}<br><br />
{{T|1069912|Machenalia}}<br><br />
{{T|1243927|Madame Blavatsky's Baboon}}<br><br />
{{T|1008202|Magazine-Writing—Peter Snook}}<br><br />
{{T|1062554|Mage: The Hero Discovered}}<br><br />
{{T|1026059|Magical Changes}}<br><br />
{{T|838562|Magnificent Universe}}<br><br />
{{T|1092504|Magritte}}<br><br />
{{T|1061136|Maine Quartet}}<br><br />
{{T|1316770|Man and the Moon}}<br><br />
{{T|1066697|Man and the Planets}}<br><br />
{{T|843410|Man in the Universe}}<br><br />
{{T|1052244|Man Must Measure}}<br><br />
{{T|866126|Man on Earth: How Civilization and Technology Changed the Face of the Earth}}<br><br />
{{T|867323|Man Unlimited}}<br><br />
{{T|1428546|Market Adjustment}}<br><br />
{{T|1241914|Mars}}<br><br />
{{T|677173|Mars and the Mind of Man}}<br><br />
{{T|1144708|Masks of Mayhem}}<br><br />
{{T|1229108|Master Mechanics and Wicked Wizards: Images of the American Scientist as Hero and Villain from Colonial Times to the Present}}<br><br />
{{T|1089452|Masters of Comic Book Art}}<br><br />
{{T|1106620|Masters of Inworld}}<br><br />
{{T|1100655|Mathematics for the Million}}<br><br />
{{T|160883|Maus}}<br><br />
{{T|942126|Max}}<br><br />
{{T|1057165|Meeting of Minds}}<br><br />
{{T|1432054|Meeting the Dog Girls}}<br><br />
{{T|1338623|Mein Fleisch wird brennen}}<br><br />
{{T|1243425|Memories of the Irish Isreali War}}<br><br />
{{T|1315028|Men of Dunwich: The Story of a Vanished Town}}<br><br />
{{T|750265|Men Of Space}}<br><br />
{{T|1258086|Men, Missiles and Machines}}<br><br />
{{T|1107842|Menace: Battle Mountain}}<br><br />
{{T|1152216|MGM's Marvelous Wizard of Oz}}<br><br />
{{T|1062552|MIchael Moorcock's Elric of Melnibone}}<br><br />
{{T|1094795|Micro-Computing: Everything You Ever Wanted to Know}}<br><br />
{{T|862898|Mind Children: The Future of Robot and Human Intelligence}}<br><br />
{{T|1066832|Mind on Fire}}<br><br />
{{T|1314109|Minnesota Fantasy Review, Vol. 2, #2}}<br><br />
{{T|1088291|Miracles of the Gods}}<br><br />
{{T|1066316|Mission to Mars}}<br><br />
{{T|1261107|Mister Pip}}<br><br />
{{T|1336674|Mobile Architektur: Entwurf und Technologie}}<br><br />
{{T|162143|Modern British Utopias, 1700-1850}}<br><br />
{{T|931555|Modern Experiments in Telepathy}}<br><br />
{{T|1113349|Mollie Peer}}<br><br />
{{T|1082628|Monolith 2}}<br><br />
{{T|1061827|Monsters, Miracles, and Revelations: Clive Barker's Tales of Transformation (The Second Three Books of Blood)}}<br><br />
{{T|871010|Moon Base: Technical and Psychological Aspects}}<br><br />
{{T|414021|Moon-Whales and Other Moon Poems}}<br><br />
{{T|1258973|Moonlight Red}}<br><br />
{{T|931351|Moonraker}}<br><br />
{{T|1079562|Mosig at Last: A Psychologist Looks at H. P. Lovecraft}}<br><br />
{{T|603461|Mother and the Flying Saucer}}<br><br />
{{T|908245|Mother Goose: Numbers on the Loose}}<br><br />
{{T|1154220|Movies in Fifteen Minutes}}<br><br />
{{T|253221|Mr. Hero-The Newmatic Man 1}}<br><br />
{{T|404141|Mr. Moon's Last Case}}<br><br />
{{T|1411685|Mr. Summer's Story}}<br><br />
{{T|1052242|Mysteries of Space and Time}}<br><br />
{{T|956588|Mysteries of the North Pole}}<br><br />
{{T|1186689|Mystery Adventure}}<br><br />
{{T|1341516|MythConceptions}}<br><br />
{{T|1341517|MythDirection}}<br><br />
{{T|1387754|Narcotic Signature}}<br><br />
{{T|1250429|Native Rites}}<br><br />
{{T|1266115|Native Tongue}}<br><br />
{{T|723865|Nature's Ways}}<br><br />
{{T|160329|Nemira '95}}<br><br />
{{T|744305|Neptune Noir}}<br><br />
{{T|1137339|New Crimes}}<br><br />
{{T|1072802|New Grub Street}}<br><br />
{{T|918782|New Tales of the Arabian Nights}}<br><br />
{{T|916228|New Worlds}}<br><br />
{{T|162340|New Worlds (1997)}}<br><br />
{{T|1083722|New Worlds 150}}<br><br />
{{T|1083724|New Worlds 151}}<br><br />
{{T|1082695|New Worlds 160}}<br><br />
{{T|1082678|New Worlds 161}}<br><br />
{{T|1082680|New Worlds 162}}<br><br />
{{T|1082602|New Worlds 163}}<br><br />
{{T|1082603|New Worlds 165}}<br><br />
{{T|1082604|New Worlds 166}}<br><br />
{{T|1082605|New Worlds 167}}<br><br />
{{T|1120049|New Worlds 173}}<br><br />
{{T|1082893|New Worlds 182}}<br><br />
{{T|856296|New Worlds of Modern Science}}<br><br />
{{T|679009|New Worlds SF, November 1965}}<br><br />
{{T|678609|New Worlds SF, October 1965}}<br><br />
{{T|678605|New Worlds SF, September 1965}}<br><br />
{{T|582481|Night Has a Thousand Eyes}}<br><br />
{{T|1072855|Nightshade}}<br><br />
{{T|913225|No Apparent Danger: The True Story of Volcanic Disaster at Galeras and Nevado del Ruiz}}<br><br />
{{T|993894|No Need For Loose Ends, a review of Galactic Cluster}}<br><br />
{{T|1314104|Nocturne, Primus}}<br><br />
{{T|1308470|Nocturne, Secundus}}<br><br />
{{T|1281778|Norman Corwin's One World Flight}}<br><br />
{{T|1140643|Nostalgia About Comics}}<br><br />
{{T|1380337|Nostradamus: The Man Who Saw Through Time}}<br><br />
{{T|1428551|Not Quite One of the Boys}}<br><br />
{{T|704557|Now You See It . . .}} = DONE<br><br />
{{T|1323760|Oath of Moment}}<br><br />
{{T|1089372|Occupied Spaces}}<br><br />
{{T|857522|Of Stars and Men}}<br><br />
{{T|1313282|Off the Ancient Track, A Lovecraftian Guide to New-England & Adjacent New York}}<br><br />
{{T|1203592|Okal Rel Universe: Anthology 2}}<br><br />
{{T|1148616|On Human Nature}}<br><br />
{{T|615429|On Location on Martha's Vineyard (The Making of the Movie "Jaws")}}<br><br />
{{T|853098|On Spec: The Canadian Magazine of Speculative Writting}}<br><br />
{{T|1418472|On the Frontiers of Science}}<br><br />
{{T|609605|One Winter Night in August and Other Nonsense Jingles}}<br><br />
{{T|1387843|Orbiting a Data Dump #5}}<br><br />
{{T|158504|ORPHIA: Slavonic Science Fiction and Fantasy Magazine Issue #1 (March 1990)}}<br><br />
{{T|1229461|Otherwhere}}<br><br />
{{T|935189|Our Neighbor Worlds}}<br><br />
{{T|1135974|Out of the Pit}}<br><br />
{{T|1072850|Outer Dark}}<br><br />
{{T|1215409|Paper Star Ships}}<br><br />
{{T|1097750|Para}}<br><br />
{{T|1160711|Paradise Junction}}<br><br />
{{T|1067618|Paradox: The Case for the Extraterrestrial Origin of Man}}<br><br />
{{T|1065477|Paranormal Borderlands of Science}}<br><br />
{{T|633209|Parapsychology: An Insider's View of ESP}}<br><br />
{{T|1314112|Parts}}<br><br />
{{T|920984|Peace or Pestilence}}<br><br />
{{T|408151|Penguin Science Survey, 1968, the Physical Sciences}}<br><br />
{{T|965484|People of Darkness}}<br><br />
{{T|1066380|Philosophers Look at Science Fiction}}<br><br />
{{T|933319|Physics of the Planet Mars}}<br><br />
{{T|1070863|Pioneering the Space Frontier}}<br><br />
{{T|873503|Plagiarism and Pederasty: Skeletons in the Jamesian Closet}}<br><br />
{{T|1405874|Poe in His Own Time}}<br><br />
{{T|1387819|Poems of the Divided Self}}<br><br />
{{T|914301|Pompidou Posse}}<br><br />
{{T|1397583|Portents}}<br><br />
{{T|1068502|Portfolio}}<br><br />
{{T|1095097|Portrait du Diable en Chapeau-Melon}}<br><br />
{{T|873508|Postscripts, March 2007}}<br><br />
{{T|609413|Prelude to Science: An Exploration of Magic and Divination}}<br><br />
{{T|408041|Preserve and Protect}}<br><br />
{{T|1387844|Preternaturally Yours}}<br><br />
{{T|1102498|Princess of Darkness}}<br><br />
{{T|1089478|Projections: The Gilbert Williams 1979 Calendar}}<br><br />
{{T|525989|Prolongevity}}<br><br />
{{T|847353|Providence Island}}<br><br />
{{T|618157|Psycho}}<br><br />
{{T|1411662|Psychos}}<br><br />
{{T|862959|Pulphouse 2, Winter 1988}}<br><br />
{{T|1162487|Purpose of Evasion}}<br><br />
{{T|1094383|Quest for the Golden Sorcerer}}<br><br />
{{T|1102241|Quest's End}}<br><br />
{{T|1008416|R. A. Lafferty}}<br><br />
{{T|1166300|Radical Evolution}}<br><br />
{{T|1215959|Raped by the Devil}}<br><br />
{{T|166824|Raptors III}}<br><br />
{{T|1046925|Ray Bradbury on Stage}}<br><br />
{{T|609801|Ray Bradbury: The Martian Chronicles, read by Leonard Nimoy}}<br><br />
{{T|1185929|Realities of Space Travel}}<br><br />
{{T|1411006|Reality Forbidden}}<br><br />
{{T|1243211|Realms of Fantasy, April 2007}}<br><br />
{{T|1243208|Realms of Fantasy, February 2007}}<br><br />
{{T|1144380|Rebel Planet}}<br><br />
{{T|617373|Reference Guide to Fantastic Films, Vols. 1-3}}<br><br />
{{T|827650|Reference Guide to Fantastic Films: Science Fiction, Fantasy, and Horror}}<br><br />
{{T|1144376|Renegade}}<br><br />
{{T|1072894|Reprisal}}<br><br />
{{T|1156110|Requiem for a Rogue}}<br><br />
{{T|583865|Reverbstorm}}<br><br />
{{T|1415598|Reves de Gloire}} = novel published by L'Atalante, not entered yet<br><br />
{{T|995548|Review of How the Wizard Came to Oz . . .}}<br><br />
{{T|1008201|Review of Stephens' "Arabia Petraea"}}<br><br />
{{T|995547|Review of the Prometheus Project . . .}}<br><br />
{{T|583285|Rex Miller: The Complete Revelations}}<br><br />
{{T|1282873|Richard Matheson On Screen: A History of the Filmed Works}}<br><br />
{{T|989465|Rim of Fire}}<br><br />
{{T|965480|River of Death}}<br><br />
{{T|1082626|Riverside Quarterly Jan 1970}}<br><br />
{{T|1062553|Robert Bloch's Hell on Earth}}<br><br />
{{T|1314731|Robert E. Howard Fight Magazine #1}}<br><br />
{{T|1223435|Robert Silverberg Reads "To See the Invisible Man" and "Passengers"}}<br><br />
{{T|1144699|Robot Commando}}<br><br />
{{T|1215833|Robot-Bot-Bot}}<br><br />
{{T|1070242|Robotics}}<br><br />
{{T|1226251|Roderick, Vol 1}}<br><br />
{{T|560529|Rose of the Prophet}}<br><br />
{{T|194491|Roswell: Inconvenients Facts and the Will to Believe}}<br><br />
{{T|1368746|Rover's Tales}}<br><br />
{{T|1249771|Rubicon}}<br><br />
{{T|853153|Rudy Rucker's Cellular Automata Laboratory}}<br><br />
{{T|939823|Run for Blood}}<br><br />
{{T|930932|Russian Science in the 21st Century}}<br><br />
{{T|159514|Sacrifice}}<br><br />
{{T|1072508|Saga of the Swamp Thing}}<br><br />
{{T|1160781|Sandman: Book of Dreams}}<br><br />
{{T|158817|Sandman: The Kindly Ones}}<br><br />
{{T|1160593|Sandman: The Kindly Ones}}<br><br />
{{T|1215053|Satanic Virgin}}<br><br />
{{T|921779|Schlock Mercenary: Under New Management}}<br><br />
{{T|1102497|Schooled by the Devil}}<br><br />
{{T|615077|Science Calendar 1976}}<br><br />
{{T|1083721|Science Fantasy 72}}<br><br />
{{T|1083723|Science Fantasy 73}}<br><br />
{{T|679013|Science Fantasy, November 1965}}<br><br />
{{T|678617|Science Fantasy, October 1965}}<br><br />
{{T|678613|Science Fantasy, September 1965}}<br><br />
{{T|1186694|Science Fiction #3}}<br><br />
{{T|401841|Science Fiction Calendar 1977}}<br><br />
{{T|812917|Science Fiction Comes to College}}<br><br />
{{T|1452629|Science Fiction Handbook, Revised}}<br><br />
{{T|807841|Science Fiction No-Frills Novel}}<br><br />
{{T|866372|Science Fiction Review}}<br><br />
{{T|1159153|Science Fiction Studies 91: The British SF Boom (Vol 30 Part 3 Nov 2003)}}<br><br />
{{T|924220|Science for the Citizen}}<br><br />
{{T|905853|Science, Evolution, and Creationism}}<br><br />
{{T|1226226|Science: Good, Bad and Bogus}}<br><br />
{{T|1257719|Scientific Wonders of the Atomic Age}}<br><br />
{{T|543881|Scientists At Work}}<br><br />
{{T|1410832|Scientology: The Now Religion}}<br><br />
{{T|1052039|Scream from Outer Space}}<br><br />
{{T|166112|Season X}}<br><br />
{{T|931065|Secrets of Space Flight}}<br><br />
{{T|1419439|Selected Letters 1931 - 1936}}<br><br />
{{T|974021|Selected Letters, 1929-1931}}<br><br />
{{T|1111864|Selected Poems}}<br><br />
{{T|1146729|Self Healing}}<br><br />
{{T|862899|Selling Science: How the Press Covers Science and Technology}}<br><br />
{{T|1249763|Sensing Others}}<br><br />
{{T|1065811|Seven Tomorrows}}<br><br />
{{T|1060202|SF Commentary Reprint Edition: First Year 1969}}<br><br />
{{T|1082600|SF Impulse 6}}<br><br />
{{T|1082601|SF Impulse 9}}<br><br />
{{T|159515|Shadow Games}}<br><br />
{{T|985971|Shared Fantasy: Role-Playing Games as Social Worlds}}<br><br />
{{T|1411696|Shella}}<br><br />
{{T|1447691|Si Mai Avait Gagné (If May Had Been Won)}}<br><br />
{{T|1148611|Sideshow: Kissinger, Nixon and the Destruction of Cambodia}}<br><br />
{{T|158821|Sierra Heaven}}<br><br />
{{T|1381977|Siezon tumanow}}<br><br />
{{T|1242450|Sight Unseen}}<br><br />
{{T|1144701|Silent Night: The Defeat of NATO}}<br><br />
{{T|123457|Silent Partners}}<br><br />
{{T|599817|Silver Scream}}<br><br />
{{T|1419216|Silver Scream: 40 Classic Horror Movies, Volume Two}}<br><br />
{{T|1249764|Sinning in Sevens}}<br><br />
{{T|1095554|SIOP}}<br><br />
{{T|576945|Skoob Directory of Secondhand Bookshops in the British Isles}}<br><br />
{{T|1308930|Slaughter House Magazine, Vol. 1, #3}}<br><br />
{{T|663293|Sleepless Dreams}}<br><br />
{{T|883463|Sojourn}}<br><br />
{{T|1332307|Soliton}}<br><br />
{{T|1411688|Some Days You Get the Bear}}<br><br />
{{T|1107782|Something New Under the Sun: An Environmental History of the Twentieth-Century World}}<br><br />
{{T|194048|Son of Darkness}}<br><br />
{{T|931673|Song of the Sky}}<br><br />
{{T|1382743|Song of the Sky}}<br><br />
{{T|1113640|Songs and Sonnets Atlantean, the Second Series}}<br><br />
{{T|1387799|Sorceries and Sorrows: Early Poems}}<br><br />
{{T|1162500|Soul/Mate}}<br><br />
{{T|1123015|Sound of Wonder: Interviews from "The Science Fiction Radio Show"}}<br><br />
{{T|980162|Soviet Literature, No. 2: Science Fiction of Today}}<br><br />
{{T|881155|Soviet Research on Gravitation}}<br><br />
{{T|847349|Soviet Writings on Earth Satellites and Space Travel}}<br><br />
{{T|842577|Space Age Terminology}}<br><br />
{{T|861924|Space Enterprise: Beyond Nasa}}<br><br />
{{T|875092|Space Processing, Products and Profits, 1983-1990}}<br><br />
{{T|1258079|Space Research and Exploration}}<br><br />
{{T|855656|Space Stations}}<br><br />
{{T|852557|Space Travel}}<br><br />
{{T|1146696|Spaceman}}<br><br />
{{T|1411692|Spark}}<br><br />
{{T|1215829|Special Effects, Vol 1}}<br><br />
{{T|1159803|Special Effects: The History and Technique}}<br><br />
{{T|991554|Specula: Selected Uncollected Poems: 1968-1993}}<br><br />
{{T|1373847|Spellbound 2011}}<br><br />
{{T|1226128|Splatter Movies}}<br><br />
{{T|1381975|Spotkanie w przestworzach. Antologia m&#322;odych '79}}<br><br />
{{T|1215960|Spread for Satan}}<br><br />
{{T|1428548|Squid Pulp Blues}}<br><br />
{{T|615069|Star Trek (Stardate) Calendar 1976}}<br><br />
{{T|427361|Star Trek Fotonovels}}<br><br />
{{T|1089517|Star Trek Intergalactic Puzzles}}<br><br />
{{T|161305|Star Trek: Captain's Logs: Supplemental}}<br><br />
{{T|1044698|Starclimber: The Literary Adventures and Autobiography of Raymond Z. Gallun}}<br><br />
{{T|942042|Starlog Photo Guidebook to Science Fiction Toys & Models, Volume 1}}<br><br />
{{T|602641|Starstream Numbers 1 - 4}}<br><br />
{{T|1422996|Steve Harrison's Casebook}}<br><br />
{{T|1146952|Steven Spielberg's Amazing Stories}}<br><br />
{{T|1188659|Sticks and Stones}}<br><br />
{{T|1419250|Still Missing}}<br><br />
{{T|837910|Stop Me Before I Do It Again!}}<br><br />
{{T|1243215|Strange Horizons, 12 February 2007}}<br><br />
{{T|1243216|Strange Horizons, 19 February 2007}}<br><br />
{{T|1411691|Strip Tease}}<br><br />
{{T|1338612|Studien des Todes}}<br><br />
{{T|1122833|Studies in Speculative Fantasy}}<br><br />
{{T|1313475|Studies in Weird Fiction #3}}<br><br />
{{T|1314105|Studies in Weird Fiction #4}}<br><br />
{{T|1314608|Studies in Weird Fiction 6}}<br><br />
{{T|1314809|Studies in Weird Fiction 7}}<br><br />
{{T|161034|Studies of Death}}<br><br />
{{T|639073|Sturgeon (audio recording)}}<br><br />
{{T|1411694|Summer of Fear}}<br><br />
{{T|1088701|Sun Sign Success}}<br><br />
{{T|855606|Sun, Sea and Sky}}<br><br />
{{T|1210742|Supernatural Fiction for Teens}}<br><br />
{{T|1121804|Supernatural Stories No. 20}}<br><br />
{{T|929767|Survival in the Sky}}<br><br />
{{T|938364|Swan Lake}}<br><br />
{{T|1226986|Syn-Code 7}}<br><br />
{{T|647781|T.A.Z.: The Temporary Autonomous Zone, Ontological Anarchy, Poetic Terrorism}}<br><br />
{{T|1381976|Tak bardzo chcia&#322; by&#263; cz&#322;owiekiem}}<br><br />
{{T|609113|Talbot Mundy Biblio}}<br><br />
{{T|867284|Talbot Mundy Biblio}}<br><br />
{{T|1311688|Tales of Horror and Damnation #6}}<br><br />
{{T|1201435|Tales of Piracy, Crime and Ghosts}}<br><br />
{{T|1068154|Tales of the Ling Master}}<br><br />
{{T|1243070|Tales of the Night}}<br><br />
{{T|1113638|Tales of War}}<br><br />
{{T|1422997|Tales of Weird Menace}}<br><br />
{{T|1086993|Talisman of Death}}<br><br />
{{T|1092506|Tall, Dark and Gruesome}}<br><br />
{{T|940286|Tarzan and Tradition}}<br><br />
{{T|1065278|Tarzan and Tradition}}<br><br />
{{T|1135998|Tau #4}}<br><br />
{{T|1088012|Teacup Fortune-Telling}}<br><br />
{{T|864245|Temple of the Stars}}<br><br />
{{T|1405855|Tempting Providence and Other Stories}}<br><br />
{{T|921784|Ten Worlds: Everything that Orbits the Sun}}<br><br />
{{T|1322846|Tenebrous Tales}}<br><br />
{{T|1331045|TERRAsse - Das Begleitheft zum PENTA-CON '99}}<br><br />
{{T|1084956|Territories 2, 1992}}<br><br />
{{T|1451946|Terror Out of Time}}<br><br />
{{T|753213|Thanks to Inventors}}<br><br />
{{T|252381|The 1969 Britannica Yearbook of Science and the Future}}<br><br />
{{T|615061|The 1975 Kelly Freas Selections}}<br><br />
{{T|401831|The 1977 J. R. R. Tolkien Calendar}}<br><br />
{{T|976604|The 1984 Calendar: An American History}}<br><br />
{{T|1147009|The 1st Great Kids Activity Catalogue}}<br><br />
{{T|596789|The ABC of Relativity}}<br><br />
{{T|848241|The ABC of Relativity}}<br><br />
{{T|872541|The Adam Strange Archives, Volume 1}}<br><br />
{{T|1333920|The Adjustment Team: The Collected Stories of Philip K. Dick, Volume 2}}<br><br />
{{T|1160059|The Adventures of Cyclops and Phoenux}}<br><br />
{{T|1097902|The Adventures of Wally Dolphin}}<br><br />
{{T|166914|The Age of Discoveries}}<br><br />
{{T|1137512|The Airtight Garage}}<br><br />
{{T|1052144|The All-American Boys}}<br><br />
{{T|1215532|The Amazing Adventures of Flash Gordon, Vol 1.}}<br><br />
{{T|1215533|The Amazing Adventures of Flash Gordon, Vol 2.}}<br><br />
{{T|1215527|The Amazing Spider-Man}}<br><br />
{{T|1095366|The Ancient Magic of the Pyramids}}<br><br />
{{T|602633|The Apocalypse Papers}}<br><br />
{{T|639061|The Apocalypse Papers}}<br><br />
{{T|1161114|The Art of Queen: The Eye}}<br><br />
{{T|941074|The Art of Robert McCall: A Celebration of Our Future in Space}}<br><br />
{{T|1419232|The Art of Zombie Warfare}}<br><br />
{{T|1338877|The Atari Ecologues}}<br><br />
{{T|1159948|The Babylon Project}}<br><br />
{{T|938572|The Ballad of Biddy Early}}<br><br />
{{T|540293|The Ballad of Halo Jones, Bks 1, 2 and 3}}<br><br />
{{T|861996|The Bank Street Books of Science Fiction, Fantasy, Creepy Tales, and Mystery}}<br><br />
{{T|1095551|The Baroque Arsenal}}<br><br />
{{T|679369|The BASRA Journal, Vol. 1, No. 7}}<br><br />
{{T|768165|The Beekeeper's Apprentice}}<br><br />
{{T|929768|The Best American Short Stories: 1955}}<br><br />
{{T|253181|The Best From Fantasy and Science Fiction}}<br><br />
{{T|1316771|The Best from Fantasy and Science Fiction: Tenth Series}}<br><br />
{{T|1419233|The Best Horror of the Year, Volume 2}}<br><br />
{{T|1120765|The Best of Arthur C. Clarke}}<br><br />
{{T|1097382|The Bibliography of Crime Fiction, 1749-1975}}<br><br />
{{T|1419234|The Big Bang}}<br><br />
{{T|1229677|The Big Bang Never Happened}}<br><br />
{{T|851175|The Big Splat: or How Our Moon Came to Be}}<br><br />
{{T|1083555|The Bird of Paradise}}<br><br />
{{T|616913|The Birth of a Principality}}<br><br />
{{T|521965|The Black Box: Last Words from the Cockpit}}<br><br />
{{T|1160558|The Black Dragon}}<br><br />
{{T|1107802|The Blackwinged Night: Creativity in Nature and Mind}}<br><br />
{{T|1072834|The Blind Owl}}<br><br />
{{T|404161|The Blue Stone}}<br><br />
{{T|925810|The Body's Guest}}<br><br />
{{T|1332306|The Body's Last Days}}<br><br />
{{T|938366|The Bomb and the General}}<br><br />
{{T|965478|The Book of Runes}}<br><br />
{{T|938448|The Boy of the Three-Year Nap}}<br><br />
{{T|1065522|The Boy Who Discovered the Earth}}<br><br />
{{T|949769|The Bridge Between Truth/Death and Power/Knowledge: Ted Chiang's "72 Letters"}}<br><br />
{{T|854935|The Bull of Minos}}<br><br />
{{T|635669|The Burroughs Bulletin, No. 12}}<br><br />
{{T|1280889|The Butcher of Box Hill}}<br><br />
{{T|1068437|The Call of the Weird}}<br><br />
{{T|1073571|The Castle}}<br><br />
{{T|1427187|The Caterer #3}}<br><br />
{{T|548237|The Celtic Art Source Book}}<br><br />
{{T|1125410|The Celtic Art Source Book}}<br><br />
{{T|852750|The Challenge of Man's Future}}<br><br />
{{T|1411690|The Cheshire Moon}}<br><br />
{{T|604149|The Church Mice Spread Their Wings}}<br><br />
{{T|1147175|The City of Shadows 1}}<br><br />
{{T|1147176|The City of Shadows 2}}<br><br />
{{T|917621|The CoEvolution Quarterly}}<br><br />
{{T|1355817|The Collected Fantasies of Clark Ashton Smith, Volume 1 and 2}}<br><br />
{{T|1072844|The Collector}}<br><br />
{{T|1215395|The Comic Book PrIce Guide No. 9}}<br><br />
{{T|913011|The Coming of Stars: Rhysling Award Winners Showcase}}<br><br />
{{T|852564|The Coming of the Space Ships}}<br><br />
{{T|1387776|The Cosmic Cycle}}<br><br />
{{T|647837|The Cosmic Wisdom of Joe Bob Briggs}}<br><br />
{{T|666549|The Dark Other / The Undesired Princess}}<br><br />
{{T|1312992|The Death of a Gentleman: The Last Days of Howard Phillips Lovecraft}}<br><br />
{{T|1095549|The Death of Deterrence}}<br><br />
{{T|1035069|The Death of Rocketry}}<br><br />
{{T|917408|The Death of the Sun}}<br><br />
{{T|1061826|The Delights of Dread: Clive Barker's First Three Books of Blood}}<br><br />
{{T|1188499|The Development of Astronomical Thought}}<br><br />
{{T|1118979|The Devil is a Gentleman: The Life and Times of Dennis Wheatley}}<br><br />
{{T|1102493|The Devil's Torture}}<br><br />
{{T|1241850|The Difference Engine}} = DONE<br><br />
{{T|924977|The Discoveries: Great Breakthroughs in 20th Century Science}}<br><br />
{{T|617073|The Discovery of the Future: The Ways Science Fiction Developed}}<br><br />
{{T|1247490|The Divinity Student}}<br><br />
{{T|616329|The Dracula Book}}<br><br />
{{T|1151921|The Dreaming: Beyond the Shores of Night}}<br><br />
{{T|1106613|The Dumarest Companion}}<br><br />
{{T|1121050|The Dune Trilogy}}<br><br />
{{T|1418227|The Early del Rey Vol. 1}} = DONE<br><br />
{{T|1418228|The Early del Rey Vol. 2}} = DONE<br><br />
{{T|596825|The Earth Beneath the Sea}}<br><br />
{{T|1038460|The Eighth Day of Creation}}<br><br />
{{T|811241|The Electric Bibliograph, Part I: Clifford D. Simak}}<br><br />
{{T|1120769|The Encyclopaedia of Ignorance}}<br><br />
{{T|1411658|The Encyclopdia of Death}}<br><br />
{{T|615037|The English Dreaners}}<br><br />
{{T|902698|The Essential Users Guide to the IBM PC, XT and PC Jr.}}<br><br />
{{T|1226034|The Eureka Years}}<br><br />
{{T|1122638|The Evil 100: Fascinating True-Life Tales of Terror, Mayhem and Savagery}}<br><br />
{{T|859640|The Exploration of the Solar System}}<br><br />
{{T|1121052|The Eyes Trilogy}}<br><br />
{{T|162147|The Faber Book of Science}}<br><br />
{{T|1397568|The Fabulous Faust}}<br><br />
{{T|859642|The Face of the Earth}}<br><br />
{{T|866848|The Face on Mars: Evidence for a Lost Civilization?}}<br><br />
{{T|1427186|The Faggiest Vampire}}<br><br />
{{T|943129|The Female Approach}}<br><br />
{{T|1371755|The Ferret Chronicles: Air Ferrets Aloft}}<br><br />
{{T|1371757|The Ferret Chronicles: Rancher Ferrets on the Range}}<br><br />
{{T|1371754|The Ferret Chronicles: Rescue Ferrets at Sea}}<br><br />
{{T|1371756|The Ferret Chronicles: Writer Ferrets Chasing the Muse}}<br><br />
{{T|986138|The Films of Roger Corman: Brilliance on a Budget}}<br><br />
{{T|1095184|The Final Decade: Will We Survive the 1980s?}}<br><br />
{{T|1162515|The Final Friends Trilogy}}<br><br />
{{T|873739|The Firmament of Time}}<br><br />
{{T|218981|The Fitzgerald Report}}<br><br />
{{T|854933|The Fitzroy Jules Verne}}<br><br />
{{T|408081|The Floating Opera}}<br><br />
{{T|1314028|The Forbidden Room and How the Forbidden Room Happened}}<br><br />
{{T|856791|The Fossil Evidence for Human Evolution}}<br><br />
{{T|401821|The Frank Frazetta Calendar 1977}}<br><br />
{{T|166600|The Furies}}<br><br />
{{T|850254|The Future of Ideas: The Fate of the Commons in a Connected World}}<br><br />
{{T|1449260|The Game Is Altered}}<br><br />
{{T|880015|The Goblet Club}}<br><br />
{{T|864238|The Gods Unknown}}<br><br />
{{T|940771|The Gold of the Gods}}<br><br />
{{T|928803|The Golden Archer}}<br><br />
{{T|1323745|The Good Man Jesus and the Scoundrel Christ}}<br><br />
{{T|604537|The Grass Tower}}<br><br />
{{T|923142|The Great Flying Saucer Conspiracy}}<br><br />
{{T|940277|The Great Science Fiction Pictures}}<br><br />
{{T|1252054|The Green Plantations}}<br><br />
{{T|866374|The Gridley Wave and the Burroughs Bulletin}}<br><br />
{{T|1152850|The Guns of Valverde}}<br><br />
{{T|1314753|The H. P. Lovecraft 1987 Calendar}}<br><br />
{{T|1428552|The Haunted Vagina}}<br><br />
{{T|580149|The Heart of the Beast}}<br><br />
{{T|1123326|The Hitch-Hikers' Guide to the Universe}}<br><br />
{{T|609429|The Hobbit Calendar 1976}}<br><br />
{{T|864243|The Home of the Gods}}<br><br />
{{T|1405844|The Horror of the Heights and Other Strange Tales}}<br><br />
{{T|1244726|The Hounds of Heaven}}<br><br />
{{T|1278443|The Hungry Ghosts}}<br><br />
{{T|942608|The Hydrogen World View}}<br><br />
{{T|1089463|The Illustrated Edgar Allen Poe}}<br><br />
{{T|603097|The Illustrated Man read by Leonard Nimoy}}<br><br />
{{T|1266113|The Imaginal Rave}}<br><br />
{{T|526001|The Immortalist}}<br><br />
{{T|526005|The Immortalist}}<br><br />
{{T|857280|The Inner Metagalaxy}}<br><br />
{{T|1069765|The Inventions of Daedalus}}<br><br />
{{T|1067058|The Invisible Landscape}}<br><br />
{{T|984662|The James Bond Films: A Behind the Scenes History}}<br><br />
{{T|1120766|The Journey to the East}}<br><br />
{{T|927046|The Kensington Stone: A Mystery Solved}}<br><br />
{{T|1072829|The Killer Inside Me}}<br><br />
{{T|1261109|The Kingdom of Bones}}<br><br />
{{T|161101|The Kipton Chronicles}}<br><br />
{{T|1088239|The Kiss of Death}}<br><br />
{{T|1447686|The Late Great Creature}}<br><br />
{{T|1094322|The Lean Years: Politics in the Age of Scarcity}}<br><br />
{{T|1405845|The Legend of Sleepy Hollow and Other Macabre Tales}}<br><br />
{{T|1411672|The Life & Times of Captain N.}}<br><br />
{{T|881765|The Life Eaters}}<br><br />
{{T|917437|The Life-Extension Revolution}}<br><br />
{{T|1303700|The Little Sister}}<br><br />
{{T|1102436|The Lives of Stars}}<br><br />
{{T|1067059|The Living Aura}}<br><br />
{{T|414051|The Lord of the Rings 1977 Calendar}}<br><br />
{{T|1145712|The Lyric Return}}<br><br />
{{T|1319616|The Mabinogion}}<br><br />
{{T|1243209|The Magazine of Fantasy & Science Fiction, April 2007}}<br><br />
{{T|1243205|The Magazine of Fantasy & Science Fiction, May 2007}}<br><br />
{{T|1074171|The Magic Machine}}<br><br />
{{T|1068441|The Magical Life of Long Tack Sam}}<br><br />
{{T|1095122|The Making of the Second Cold War}}<br><br />
{{T|1411669|The Man Who Dreamt of Lobsters}}<br><br />
{{T|1186888|The Man Who Ran the Moon}}<br><br />
{{T|882766|The Manchurian Candidate}}<br><br />
{{T|1242451|The Marilyn Tapes}}<br><br />
{{T|1051285|The Marsian}}<br><br />
{{T|1086410|The Marvel Comics Guide to New York City}}<br><br />
{{T|1152217|The Marvelous Land of Oz}}<br><br />
{{T|1235159|The Matter Myth}}<br><br />
{{T|1061137|The Medea Hypothesis}}<br><br />
{{T|166828|The Metabarons, 1: Path of the Warrior}}<br><br />
{{T|166829|The Metabarons, 2: Blood and Steel}}<br><br />
{{T|859644|The Mysterious Earth}}<br><br />
{{T|1160573|The Mystery of Bill Bamm's Golfman from Mabbil}}<br><br />
{{T|1160284|The Mystic Arts of Erasing All Signs of Death}}<br><br />
{{T|1319613|The Neustrian Cycle}}<br><br />
{{T|163308|The New Adventures of Abraham Lincoln}}<br><br />
{{T|1425882|The New Devil's Dictionary}}<br><br />
{{T|1225702|The New Worlds of Robert A. Heinlein: Expanded Universe}}<br><br />
{{T|1062534|The Next Book of Omni Games}}<br><br />
{{T|1035055|The Next Whole Earth Catalog}}<br><br />
{{T|1188500|The Night Sky}}<br><br />
{{T|1125030|The Night-Farers}}<br><br />
{{T|1065630|The Null-A Worlds of A. E. van Vogt}} = DONE<br><br />
{{T|1089601|The Occult}}<br><br />
{{T|830798|The Old Men at the Zoo}}<br><br />
{{T|1065625|The Once and Future Arthur}}<br><br />
{{T|1146966|The Orbit Poster Book}}<br><br />
{{T|1248986|The Other Side of the Mirror}}<br><br />
{{T|582541|The Painted Bird}}<br><br />
{{T|957114|The Phantom's Phantom}}<br><br />
{{T|850407|The Physicists}}<br><br />
{{T|1405847|The Picture of Dorian Gray and Other Fantastic Tales}}<br><br />
{{T|857296|The Piltdown Forgery}}<br><br />
{{T|754197|The Pocket Guide to the Underwater World}}<br><br />
{{T|944016|The Pogo Sunday Book}}<br><br />
{{T|1038459|The Politics of Energy}}<br><br />
{{T|838829|The Politics of Experience}}<br><br />
{{T|1083554|The Politics of Experience}}<br><br />
{{T|985607|The Power of Iron Man: The Enemy Within}}<br><br />
{{T|861922|The Privileged Ape: Cultural Capital in the Making of Man}}<br><br />
{{T|868500|The Proceedings: Chicon III}}<br><br />
{{T|928653|The Prospects of Nuclear Power and Technology}}<br><br />
{{T|1397566|The Psychic World}}<br><br />
{{T|1262731|The Purple Armchair}}<br><br />
{{T|1088698|The Pursuit of Destiny}}<br><br />
{{T|1008203|The Quacks of Helicon—A Satire}}<br><br />
{{T|1236294|The Questers: A Mystery Novel}}<br><br />
{{T|869532|The Ray Bradbury Review}}<br><br />
{{T|936924|The Real Book About Space Travel}}<br><br />
{{T|1449627|The Reception of H. G. Wells in Europe}}<br><br />
{{T|1314639|The Recluse, 1927}}<br><br />
{{T|915439|The Red Limit}}<br><br />
{{T|857509|The Relaxed Sell}}<br><br />
{{T|873222|The Remains of an Altar}}<br><br />
{{T|1072797|The Revenger's Tragedy}}<br><br />
{{T|609793|The Rhymes and Runes of the Toad}}<br><br />
{{T|1230758|The Rise and Fall of the Third Chimpanzee}}<br><br />
{{T|1243434|The Rise of Cromwell Jones}}<br><br />
{{T|1095550|The Russian Threat: Its Myths and Realities}}<br><br />
{{T|1161119|The Sandman: The Wake}}<br><br />
{{T|1394714|The Saviors}}<br><br />
{{T|812509|The Science Fiction Design Coloring Book}}<br><br />
{{T|819037|The Science Fiction Hall of Fame: Volume Two}}<br><br />
{{T|851209|The Science Fiction Professional-Seven Years of "Ask Bwana" Columns}}<br><br />
{{T|1102435|The Science of Fear}}<br><br />
{{T|1281773|The Scream Queen's Survival Guide}}<br><br />
{{T|1405842|The Screaming Skull and Other Classic Horror Stories}}<br><br />
{{T|1308408|The Second Book of Rimel}}<br><br />
{{T|1147075|The Second Oldest Profession}}<br><br />
{{T|931354|The Secret of the Hittites}}<br><br />
{{T|865092|The Secular Grail: Paradigms of Perception}}<br><br />
{{T|1023180|The Selected Short Stories of Robert Bloch}}<br><br />
{{T|1113470|The Selected Stories of Manly Wade Wellman}}<br><br />
{{T|1073637|The Sending}}<br><br />
{{T|1165757|The Seven Basic Plots: Why We Tell Stories}}<br><br />
{{T|1281157|The Seven Beauties of Science Fiction}} = DONE<br><br />
{{T|1411697|The Shark Invested Custard}}<br><br />
{{T|873505|The Short Fiction of Ambrose Bierce: A Comprehensive Edition}}<br><br />
{{T|1106631|The Shriek of Divinity}}<br><br />
{{T|1411675|The Shrine at Altamira}}<br><br />
{{T|1143828|The Skull of Agarash}}<br><br />
{{T|1068068|The Sorcerer Departs: Clark Ashton Smith (1893-1961)}}<br><br />
{{T|708489|The Sound of Wonder: Interviews from "The Science Fiction Radio Show", Volumes I and II}}<br><br />
{{T|755585|The Space Encyclopaedia: A Guide to Astronomy and Space Research}}<br><br />
{{T|1258078|The Space Encyclopedia}}<br><br />
{{T|1410834|The Space Novels of Jules Verne. Vol. One and Vol. Two}}<br><br />
{{T|1314207|The Spectre #1}}<br><br />
{{T|1249919|The Spiritual Meadow}}<br><br />
{{T|1069398|The State-of-the-Art Robot Catalog}}<br><br />
{{T|1162502|The Stephen King Quiz Book}}<br><br />
{{T|1140649|The Stephen King Quizbook}}<br><br />
{{T|879042|The Steranko History of Comics}}<br><br />
{{T|1072816|The Stranger}}<br><br />
{{T|855604|The Sun and the Earth as a Planet}}<br><br />
{{T|160394|The Tale of the Eternal Champion, Vol 2}}<br><br />
{{T|1072832|The Talented Mr. Ripley}}<br><br />
{{T|1066344|The Tangled Wing}}<br><br />
{{T|1135932|The Tasks of Tantalon}}<br><br />
{{T|1138216|The Tears of the Singers}}<br><br />
{{T|1113344|The Terror in the Night}}<br><br />
{{T|867421|The Testimony of the Spade}}<br><br />
{{T|859643|The Third Force}}<br><br />
{{T|1027629|The Third Mind}}<br><br />
{{T|938365|The Three Astronauts}}<br><br />
{{T|631177|The Time Machine & The War of the Worlds}}<br><br />
{{T|1135973|The Tolkien Calendar}}<br><br />
{{T|1411703|The Tome}}<br><br />
{{T|938268|The Town of a Magic Dream}}<br><br />
{{T|1257831|The Trembling Tower}}<br><br />
{{T|582433|The Trial}}<br><br />
{{T|1073570|The Trial}}<br><br />
{{T|1066923|The Tricentennial Report: Letters from America}}<br><br />
{{T|162148|The Trouble with Science}}<br><br />
{{T|166472|The Twilight Zone Scripts}}<br><br />
{{T|904462|The UFO Encyclopedia}}<br><br />
{{T|866504|The ULTIMATE Dangerous Visions}}<br><br />
{{T|923081|The Universe Next Door: The Making of Tomorrow's Science}}<br><br />
{{T|663489|The Universe We Live In}}<br><br />
{{T|1063691|The Untamed}}<br><br />
{{T|842098|The Velikovsky Affair}}<br><br />
{{T|1092461|The Velikovsky Affair}}<br><br />
{{T|1102858|The Vertical Plane}}<br><br />
{{T|1164211|The Vesuvius Club Graphic Edition}}<br><br />
{{T|1314737|The Vivisector}}<br><br />
{{T|161418|The Vonnegut Chronicles: Interviews and Essays (Edited by Peter J.Reed & Marc Leeds)}}<br><br />
{{T|1415599|The Voodoo Quantum Leap}}<br><br />
{{T|1282181|The Wake}}<br><br />
{{T|1314108|The Weirdbook Sampler}}<br><br />
{{T|1226174|The Wellsian}}<br><br />
{{T|1229272|The White Book}}<br><br />
{{T|166178|The Wide Window}}<br><br />
{{T|159430|The Wind After War}}<br><br />
{{T|1251967|The Winter Inside}}<br><br />
{{T|414031|The Witch Book}}<br><br />
{{T|1145713|The Wizard's Trade and Other Poems}}<br><br />
{{T|903313|The Works of Philip K. Dick}}<br><br />
{{T|615065|The Worlds of Fantasy Calendar 1976}}<br><br />
{{T|1160690|The X-Files: Dead to the World}}<br><br />
{{T|1149538|The XXXX Files}}<br><br />
{{T|1126524|The Yattering and Jack (Adapted by Steve Niles, Fred Burke, John Bolton, Hector Gomez)}}<br><br />
{{T|1249894|The Year's Best Science Fiction 2001}}<br><br />
{{T|938257|The Z Was Zapped}}<br><br />
{{T|1419255|The Zombie Combat Manual}}<br><br />
{{T|1230757|Theories of Everything}}<br><br />
{{T|927381|They Rode in Space Ships}}<br><br />
{{T|1405858|They That Dwell in Dark Places}}<br><br />
{{T|920726|They Walk Again}}<br><br />
{{T|1427193|This City is Alive}}<br><br />
{{T|776781|This New Ocean}}<br><br />
{{T|957501|Threat of the Atom War (Der Atomkrieg findet nicht statt)(German PR#21)}}<br><br />
{{T|601921|Three-Fisted Tales of "Bob"}}<br><br />
{{T|159508|Throat Sprockets}}<br><br />
{{T|1322834|Throne of Lies}}<br><br />
{{T|942822|Tides and the Pull of the Moon}}<br><br />
{{T|603449|Time Explorers, Inc.}}<br><br />
{{T|1144700|Titan: The Fighting Fantasy World}}<br><br />
{{T|1411693|To Die For}}<br><br />
{{T|1162493|To Speak for the Dead}}<br><br />
{{T|1314070|To the Recipient of This Volume}}<br><br />
{{T|1314605|To Yith and Beyond}}<br><br />
{{T|857515|Tomorrow Is Already Here}}<br><br />
{{T|874755|Towards a Unified Cosmology}}<br><br />
{{T|1203615|Tower in the Crooked Wood}}<br><br />
{{T|933184|Tracerlab (Catalog)}}<br><br />
{{T|582501|Track of the Cat}}<br><br />
{{T|194072|Transmetropolitan}}<br><br />
{{T|1095100|Traque-La-Mort}} = DONE<br><br />
{{T|1132233|Treasure}}<br><br />
{{T|1095610|Trident: Britain's Independent Arms Race}}<br><br />
{{T|1302452|Trillion Year Spree: A Review}}<br><br />
{{T|1419251|Trust Me}}<br><br />
{{T|920729|Try Another World}}<br><br />
{{T|1122863|Tune In for Pain}}<br><br />
{{T|343411|Turing and the Computer}}<br><br />
{{T|160328|Twelve}}<br><br />
{{T|1314201|Twentieth Century Literary Criticism 30}}<br><br />
{{T|1312886|Twentieth Century Literary Criticism, vol. 22}}<br><br />
{{T|1186693|Twentieth-Century American Science Fiction Writers: Dictionary of Literary Biography: Volume 8, Part 1 and 2}}<br><br />
{{T|1160617|Twister: The Screenplay}}<br><br />
{{T|1229676|Unbounding the Future}}<br><br />
{{T|1314959|Uncollected Prose and Poetry}}<br><br />
{{T|1314985|Uncollected Prose and Poetry II}}<br><br />
{{T|352161|Under Cover of Darkness}}<br><br />
{{T|1447149|Under the Moons of Mars}} = DONE<br><br />
{{T|1230806|Underworld}}<br><br />
{{T|865095|Unnatural History: True Manitoba Mysteries}}<br><br />
{{T|1078993|Unnnatural Acts}}<br><br />
{{T|1419252|Untcigahunk: The Complete Little Brothers}}<br><br />
{{T|1087969|Uranium and Atomic Power}}<br><br />
{{T|1074403|Vampires, Burial, and Death}}<br><br />
{{T|758781|Van Nostrand's Scientific Encyclopedia}}<br><br />
{{T|868452|Vanishing Life: The Mystery of Extinctions}}<br><br />
{{T|1226794|Vautours}} = DONE<br><br />
{{T|1089603|Velikovsky Reconsidered}}<br><br />
{{T|1051998|Venus Speaks}}<br><br />
{{T|1412426|Viking Expansion Westwards}}<br><br />
{{T|1411684|Vindication}}<br><br />
{{T|1411666|Violence}}<br><br />
{{T|462781|Viper Three}}<br><br />
{{T|1224597|Virgin Finlay Remembered}}<br><br />
{{T|1089473|Visions Calendar 1979}}<br><br />
{{T|1089371|Visions I}}<br><br />
{{T|166837|Voice from the Edge, Volume 1: I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream (Audio)}}<br><br />
{{T|166838|Voice from the Edge, Volume ?: Midnight in the Sunken Cathedral (Audio)}}<br><br />
{{T|836271|Volume Five}}<br><br />
{{T|161128|Volume One: The Collected Ellison}}<br><br />
{{T|1095093|Vue En Coupe D'Une Ville Malade}} = published by denoel, not yet entered<br><br />
{{T|1338616|Völker der Sonne}}<br><br />
{{T|1095548|War Plan UK}}<br><br />
{{T|1088208|War Stars: The Superweapon and the American Imagination}}<br><br />
{{T|1224103|War World: Discovery}}<br><br />
{{T|1135988|Watching the Watchmen}}<br><br />
{{T|864242|We Are Not the First}}<br><br />
{{T|194016|What Did Miss Darrington See?}}<br><br />
{{T|851195|What Does a Martian Look Like? The Science of Extraterrestrial Life}}<br><br />
{{T|1261567|What Technology Wants}}<br><br />
{{T|1296978|When the Killing's Done}}<br><br />
{{T|1331047|When the Music's Over}}<br><br />
{{T|873232|Where the Woodbine Twines}}<br><br />
{{T|1313314|Whipple V. Phillips and the Owyhee Land and Irrigation Company}}<br><br />
{{T|1148607|Who Goes There? The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe}}<br><br />
{{T|938570|Why There is No Arguing in Heaven}}<br><br />
{{T|1419199|Wicked Plants: The Weed That Killed Lincoln's Mother and Other Botanical Atrocities}}<br><br />
{{T|1182836|Wild Turkey}}<br><br />
{{T|1322847|Wine and Rank Poison}}<br><br />
{{T|1274404|Wishes and Fears}}<br><br />
{{T|1419253|Within His Reach}}<br><br />
{{T|1314027|Within the Circle, In Memoriam: Franklin Lee Baldwin, 1913-1987}}<br><br />
{{T|1089376|Wizardry and Wild Romance Calendar 1978}}<br><br />
{{T|1226857|Womanspace}}<br><br />
{{T|1089943|Women & Performance: A Journal of Feminist Theory}}<br><br />
{{T|1258085|Wonderama}}<br><br />
{{T|1192136|Wookiee-Ookies}}<br><br />
{{T|160334|World Brain}}<br><br />
{{T|596833|World in Crisis}}<br><br />
{{T|1455877|World of Faerie}}<br><br />
{{T|937133|Worlds in Small}}<br><br />
{{T|1123565|Writers of the Future}}<br><br />
{{T|1073540|Wuthering Heights}}<br><br />
{{T|1064751|Yorick Fantasy Magazine, November 1990 - March 1991}}<br><br />
{{T|1064752|Yorick Fantasy Magazine, October 1991 - January 1992}}<br><br />
{{T|1064753|Yorick Fantasy Magazine, September 1992 - March 1993}}<br><br />
{{T|904461|You Cannot Die}}<br><br />
{{T|753209|Your Trip into Space}}<br><br />
{{T|1199201|Yours, Isaac Asimov}}<br><br />
{{T|1381974|Zaczarowana gra}}<br><br />
{{T|873502|Zencore!}}<br><br />
{{T|1381978|Zwiozdnyje do&#380;di}}<br><br />
{{T|1338622|Zwischen den Atomen}}<br><br />
{{T|1120101|_Amazing_ Vol 50, Issue 1}}<br></div>DESiegel60https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=ISFDB:Unlinked_Reviews&diff=280265ISFDB:Unlinked Reviews2012-07-21T19:06:48Z<p>DESiegel60: sections A-E</p>
<hr />
<div>==A==<br />
{{T|1303721|As in Ancient Days: Tales of Zothique & The Book of Hyperborea}}<br><br />
{{T|601925|Bob's Favorite Comics}}<br><br />
{{T|1314101|Eleusinia and "Beneath the Barley"}}<br><br />
{{T|1217128|First Session}}<br><br />
{{T|1303710|How Modern Horror Was Born: Tales of the Dead: The Ghost Stories of the Villa Deodati}}<br><br />
{{T|1217126|The Dream That Became Deryni}}<br><br />
{{T|1217129|The Examen}}<br><br />
{{T|1303728|When the Chill Sets In: Night Relics & Winter Tides}}<br><br />
{{T|1380875|&#346;ledztwo / Katar}}<br><br />
{{T|166811|... is this a cat?}}<br><br />
{{T|1313200|13 Short Horror Novels}}<br><br />
{{T|973493|1984 and Beyond}}<br><br />
{{T|603105|2001: A Space Odyssey read by Arthur C. Clarke}}<br><br />
{{T|885555|2012}}<br><br />
{{T|166836|A Boy and His Dog, plus "Repent, Harlequin!" Said the Ticktockman (Audio)}}<br><br />
{{T|938264|A Bruce Boston Omnibus}}<br><br />
{{T|563641|A Celebration of Writing}}<br><br />
{{T|944017|A Century of Punch Cartoons}}<br><br />
{{T|1082681|A Checklist of SF Paperbacks in Print in Jan 1966}}<br><br />
{{T|920727|A Comet Strikes the Earth}}<br><br />
{{T|602849|A Coven of Witches Tales told by Vincent Price}}<br><br />
{{T|1405200|A Fekete Kalóz}}<br><br />
{{T|935791|A Gude to the Moon}}<br><br />
{{T|857049|A Guide to the Planets}}<br><br />
{{T|1356299|A Hatful of Sky}}<br><br />
{{T|161423|A History of Violence}}<br><br />
{{T|603101|A Hornbook for Witches read by Vincent Price}}<br><br />
{{T|1095101|A L'Image du Dragon}} = DONE<br><br />
{{T|596841|A Pictorial Anthology of Witchcraft, Magic and Alchemy}}<br><br />
{{T|1121048|A Pictorial Biography}}<br><br />
{{T|1303438|A Pound of Paper}}<br><br />
{{T|995546|A Review of Chrysalis}}<br><br />
{{T|1419218|A Rhapsody for the Eternal}}<br><br />
{{T|1211181|A Screenplay}}<br><br />
{{T|1072893|A Sight for Sore Eyes}}<br><br />
{{T|873497|A Study of Destiny}}<br><br />
{{T|1381979|A&#322;maz Szach}}<br><br />
{{T|947932|AB to Zogg}}<br><br />
{{T|851211|Adaptive Technologies for Learning & Work Environments, 2nd ed.}}<br><br />
{{T|882773|Advise and Consent}}<br><br />
{{T|880643|African Genesis}}<br><br />
{{T|1044749|After All These Years...}}<br><br />
{{T|1405838|Against Religion: The Atheist Writings of H. P. Lovecraft}}<br><br />
{{T|1092469|Ages in Chaos (Volume 1)}}<br><br />
{{T|981115|Ailleurs & Autres}} = NOT DOABLE (A&A is the title of a french fanzine)<br><br />
{{T|1316696|Aklo: A Journal of the Fantastic #1}}<br><br />
{{T|944015|Al Capp's Bald Iggle}}<br><br />
{{T|1117781|Alan Moore Spells It Out}}<br><br />
{{T|1261117|Alex Unlimited: The Vosarak Code}}<br><br />
{{T|853099|Algorithm}}<br><br />
{{T|1280920|Alice on the Shelf}}<br><br />
{{T|1121528|Alien Issue 1}}<br><br />
{{T|1338618|Alien-Lexikon}}<br><br />
{{T|1161118|Aliens: Genocide}}<br><br />
{{T|1161120|Aliens: Labyrinth}}<br><br />
{{T|1026287|Allira's Gift}}<br><br />
{{T|1356152|Alternative Godzillas: A Sound of Thunder}}<br><br />
{{T|1044750|Amber Diceless Role-Playing}}<br><br />
{{T|911785|America as Second Creation: Technology and Narratives of New Beginnings}}<br><br />
{{T|462621|American Film Genres: Approaches to a Critical Theory of Popular Film}}<br><br />
{{T|1411687|Among the Dead}}<br><br />
{{T|1411668|Among the Thuds}}<br><br />
{{T|866373|Amra}}<br><br />
{{T|850796|An Author Index to Astounding/Analog: Part II—Vol. 36, #1, September, 1945 to Vol. 73 #3, May, 1964}}<br><br />
{{T|1312994|An Epistle to Francis, Ld. Belknap}}<br><br />
{{T|1312993|An Epistle to the Rt. Honble Maurice Winter Moe, Esq.}}<br><br />
{{T|1215830|An Hour with Isaac Asimov: "Building a Firm Foundation"}}<br><br />
{{T|1121031|An Introduction to Elvish}}<br><br />
{{T|1257730|An Introduction to Rockets and Space Flight}}<br><br />
{{T|1215817|An Introduction to the J. Lloyd Eaton Collection of Science Fiction and Fantasy}}<br><br />
{{T|1445221|Analog 8}} = DONE<br><br />
{{T|1447146|Analog 8}}= DONE<br><br />
{{T|1243212|Analog Science Fiction and Fact, April 2007}}<br><br />
{{T|850667|Ancient Ruins and Archaeology}}<br><br />
{{T|1276247|Animal Treasure}}<br><br />
{{T|1323754|Anniversaries: The Write Fantastic}}<br><br />
{{T|1257718|Another Tree in Eden}}<br><br />
{{T|160973|Apocalypse Culture}}<br><br />
{{T|1314614|Arkham House 1939-1989}}<br><br />
{{T|1303436|Arthur C. Clarke and Lord Dunsany: A Correspondence}}<br><br />
{{T|871002|Artificial Earth Satellites}}<br><br />
{{T|1411701|As the Canary Goes By}}<br><br />
{{T|1243206|Asimov's Science Fiction, April-May 2007}}<br><br />
{{T|1243210|Asimov's Science Fiction, April-May 2007}}<br><br />
{{T|1428547|Asphalt Flowerhead}}<br><br />
{{T|919639|Assault on Mars}}<br><br />
{{T|1008204|Astoria}}<br><br />
{{T|775097|Astronomy}}<br><br />
{{T|1243487|At the Caligula Hotel}}<br><br />
{{T|753981|Atomic Energy}}<br><br />
{{T|873527|Audiovile}}<br><br />
{{T|1095095|Ausii Lourd Que Le Vent}}<br><br />
{{T|1121615|Author's Work Listings 1 & 2}}<br><br />
{{T|1311793|Autobiographical Memoir}}<br><br />
{{T|1282875|Autumn: The City}}<br><br />
<br />
==B==<br />
{{T|866507|Babbitt&#8217;s Dilemma}}<br><br />
{{T|1160060|Babylon 5}}<br><br />
{{T|993891|Back Cover Book Review: The New AToms' Bombshell}}<br><br />
{{T|1323749|Back to the Middle of Nowhere}}<br><br />
{{T|1181698|Bad Girls Do It!}}<br><br />
{{T|1121485|BASRA Journal vol 1 no 4}}<br><br />
{{T|159518|Batman Forever}}<br><br />
{{T|159519|Batman Knightfall}}<br><br />
{{T|1160097|Batman vs. Predator 2: Bloodmatch}}<br><br />
{{T|1156109|Batman: Anarky}}<br><br />
{{T|1160098|Batman: The Last Arkham}}<br><br />
{{T|1203572|Battlestar Galactica and Philosophy}}<br><br />
{{T|1440546|Beast}}<br><br />
{{T|938447|Beauties, Beasts, and Enchantments: Classic French Fairy Tales}}<br><br />
{{T|1102492|Begotten of the Demon}}<br><br />
{{T|847348|Behind the Sputniks}}<br><br />
{{T|1331044|Bekanntlich}}<br><br />
{{T|1102499|Beloved of Satan}}<br><br />
{{T|1123690|Best New Science Fiction}}<br><br />
{{T|1089531|Best Science Fiction of the Year: 1 Part One}}<br><br />
{{T|1092477|Best Science Fiction of the Year: 1 Part Two}}<br><br />
{{T|917409|Beyond the Four Dimensions}}<br><br />
{{T|930410|Beyond the Reach of Sense}}<br><br />
{{T|1065225|Black Diamonds}}<br><br />
{{T|1062427|Black Holes}}<br><br />
{{T|1411680|Black Water}}<br><br />
{{T|1373790|Blind Hunger}}<br><br />
{{T|159513|Blood Moon}}<br><br />
{{T|166586|Boneyard Volume One}}<br><br />
{{T|1398255|Book Of Dark Wisdom}}<br><br />
{{T|1241122|Books: To Russia With Love}}<br><br />
{{T|616921|Boris Karloff and His Films}}<br><br />
{{T|1062556|Bradbury 13}}<br><br />
{{T|1072975|Breakout into Space}}<br><br />
{{T|1311687|Brian Lumley: A New Bibliography}}<br><br />
{{T|583833|Brief Lives}}<br><br />
{{T|1226453|Brimmed Hat with Flowers}}<br><br />
{{T|1366597|British Science Fiction Cinema}}<br><br />
{{T|905241|Broca's Brain - Reflections on the Romance of Science}}<br><br />
{{T|1228247|Buck Rogers: 25th Century A.D.}}<br><br />
{{T|1165576|Buddha: Ananda}}<br><br />
{{T|1165575|Buddha: Deer Park}}<br><br />
{{T|1165573|Buddha: Devadatta}}<br><br />
{{T|1165578|Buddha: Jetavana}}<br><br />
{{T|1165577|Buddha: Prince Ajatasattu}}<br><br />
{{T|1165574|Buddha: The Forest of Uruvela}}<br><br />
{{T|1164617|Buddha: The Four Encounters (Volume 2)}}<br><br />
{{T|1411681|Buffalo Soldiers}}<br><br />
{{T|1211211|Building Sci-Fi Moviescapes}}<br><br />
{{T|1435518|By Other Mean}}<br><br />
{{T|1106619|By-Ways on the Shining Path}}<br><br />
==C==<br />
{{T|949753|Can a TV Tie-In Novel Achieve Excellence? Jeanne Cavelos' The Passing of the Techno-Mages}}<br><br />
{{T|1434849|Captain Future series}}<br><br />
{{T|760461|Cartoon Laffs from True}}<br><br />
{{T|1386304|Catamount Press, a poem sampling}}<br><br />
{{T|1451943|Celtia: Fantasy Drawings in the Celtic Style}}<br><br />
{{T|930411|Challenge of Psychical Research}}<br><br />
{{T|886796|Chariots of the Gods}}<br><br />
{{T|864234|Chariots of the Gods?}}<br><br />
{{T|1419215|Chasing the Dragon}}<br><br />
{{T|201241|Check List of Fantastic Novels}}<br><br />
{{T|1411677|Child of God}}<br><br />
{{T|1161202|Childhood Ends}}<br><br />
{{T|938339|Chronicles of the Mutant Rain Forest}}<br><br />
{{T|1086906|Cinefan 3}}<br><br />
{{T|1123432|Citador}}<br><br />
{{T|1313199|Clark Ashton Smith: Letters to H. P. Lovecraft}}<br><br />
{{T|1144693|Clash of the Princes}}<br><br />
{{T|1160061|Classic Star Wars: Book 2}}<br><br />
{{T|1160062|Classic Star Wars: Book 3}}<br><br />
{{T|1419208|Classics and Contemporaries}}<br><br />
{{T|1229096|Classics and Contemporaries: Some Notes on Horror Fiction}}<br><br />
{{T|1125816|Clive Barker's Nightbreed}}<br><br />
{{T|1097267|Close Encounters of the Third Kind 1979 UFO Calendar}}<br><br />
{{T|1097268|Close Encounters of the Third Kind Portfolio}}<br><br />
{{T|1092220|Code and Other Laws of Cyberspace}}<br><br />
{{T|873220|Collected Essays}}<br><br />
{{T|1313474|Collected Poems}}<br><br />
{{T|408121|Collected Works, Volume One}}<br><br />
{{T|839035|Colony: Earth}}<br><br />
{{T|583281|Comic Book Rebels}}<br><br />
{{T|1201433|Conquetes}}<br><br />
{{T|1148613|Conspiracy: Who Killed the President?}}<br><br />
{{T|617369|Contes de Terreur}} = book is part of the OPTA CLAF series, not entered yet.<br><br />
{{T|576517|Convention Annual No. 3. Discon edition}}<br><br />
{{T|1428545|Cosmetica}}<br><br />
{{T|1072780|Cosmic Joy and Local Pain}}<br><br />
{{T|1188501|Cosmologies of Consciousness}}<br><br />
{{T|935497|Countdown to Apocalypse: Asteroids, Tidal Waves and the End of the World}}<br><br />
{{T|1356302|Coyote & Coyote Rising}}<br><br />
{{T|1066742|Creating Peace}}<br><br />
{{T|1146727|Creature of Havoc}}<br><br />
{{T|544833|Crime and Mystery: The 100 Best Books}}<br><br />
{{T|166107|Crimewave 4: Mood Indigo}}<br><br />
{{T|166175|Crimewave 5: Dark Before Dawn}}<br><br />
{{T|1419238|Crossed}}<br><br />
{{T|1146901|Crypt of the Sorceror}}<br><br />
{{T|882703|Cybernetics}}<br><br />
{{T|920966|Cybernetics}}<br><br />
{{T|832160|Cybertexts}}<br><br />
==D==<br />
{{T|1092505|Dali}}<br><br />
{{T|1026280|Dalton Quayle Rides Out}}<br><br />
{{T|1113377|Damned If You Do}}<br><br />
{{T|408061|Dance of the Dwarfs}}<br><br />
{{T|1244006|Dancing in Circles}}<br><br />
{{T|1145711|Dark Words, Gentle Sounds}}<br><br />
{{T|873233|Dead of Winter}}<br><br />
{{T|1419230|Death Mask}}<br><br />
{{T|1200933|Decline of the Pulps}}<br><br />
{{T|1066345|Deep Space}}<br><br />
{{T|1160058|Deep Space Nine, Star Trek The Next Generation: The Landmark Crossover}}<br><br />
{{T|1313204|Deep Things Out of Darkness}}<br><br />
{{T|1215052|Demon Bitch's Punishment}}<br><br />
{{T|1338614|Der 7. Schrein}}<br><br />
{{T|1338621|Der Klang der Stille}}<br><br />
{{T|1226135|Der Pflanzen Heiland}}<br><br />
{{T|1331050|Der Tag des silbernen Tieres}}<br><br />
{{T|934370|Design for Decision}}<br><br />
{{T|837517|Designing the Future, the Role of Technological Forecasting}}<br><br />
{{T|917620|Destinies}}<br><br />
{{T|1215957|Devil's Handmaiden}}<br><br />
{{T|1102496|Devil's Incest Daughter}}<br><br />
{{T|1215958|Devil's Sex Slaves}}<br><br />
{{T|1411011|Dimensions Beyond the Known}}<br><br />
{{T|857279|Discovery of the Universe}}<br><br />
{{T|1419200|Dissection: Photographs of a Rite of Passage in American Medicine, 1880-1930}}<br><br />
{{T|1202230|Diverse books}}<br><br />
{{T|860470|Divine Intervention}}<br><br />
{{T|981266|Doctor Who Monthly}}<br><br />
{{T|1086978|Dodecahedron (1986 Fantasy Calendar)}}<br><br />
{{T|1151768|Dr Tim (Book One)}}<br><br />
{{T|166933|Dr. No}}<br><br />
{{T|1405846|Dracula's Guest and Other Tales of Horror}}<br><br />
{{T|1419241|Draculas}}<br><br />
{{T|1106622|Dragon Hunt Through Avalon}}<br><br />
{{T|1126514|Dragonflight (Adapted by Brynne Stephens, Lela Dowling, Cynthia Martin, Fred Von Tobel)}}<br><br />
{{T|1188345|Dreadmaster, Book One of the Storm of Wings Trilogy}}<br><br />
{{T|159521|Dreams of Decadence}}<br><br />
{{T|1159789|Dreamsongs}}<br><br />
{{T|1163035|Drek Yarman}}<br><br />
{{T|1380876|Druga jesie&#324;}}<br><br />
{{T|194050|Dujonian's Hoard}}<br><br />
{{T|615029|Dulac}}<br><br />
{{T|1174001|Duplicating Notes}}<br><br />
==E==<br />
{{T|679373|E. C. Tubb - An Evaluation}}<br><br />
{{T|955894|Earth in Turmoil}}<br><br />
{{T|1052241|Earth Satellite}}<br><br />
{{T|867427|Earth Satellites}}<br><br />
{{T|992494|Earth™}}<br><br />
{{T|609241|Edgar Rice Burroughs Biblio}}<br><br />
{{T|857646|Edgar Rice Burroughs Biblio}}<br><br />
{{T|867283|Edgar Rice Burroughs Biblio}}<br><br />
{{T|1078992|Edward Lee's Quest for Sex, Truth and Reality}}<br><br />
{{T|940280|Eglerio! In Praise of Tolkien}}<br><br />
{{T|730725|Eight Hundred Leagues on the Amazon}}<br><br />
{{T|213901|Ein Moderner Mythus}}<br><br />
{{T|343401|Einstein and Relativity}}<br><br />
{{T|1338625|Eisblutgeschichten}}<br><br />
{{T|1204612|Elementarteilchen}}<br><br />
{{T|1282877|Elements of the Apocalypse}}<br><br />
{{T|1186686|Ellison Reads Ellison}}<br><br />
{{T|166161|Elric}}<br><br />
{{T|194051|En Garde}}<br><br />
{{T|1160635|Enchantment's Edge}}<br><br />
{{T|1089320|Encyclopaedia of Prophecy}}<br><br />
{{T|758497|Encyclopedia Americana}}<br><br />
{{T|892345|Energy Victory}}<br><br />
{{T|1143796|Engineer Garin and His Death Ray}}<br><br />
{{T|1104317|Engines of Tomorrow}}<br><br />
{{T|915224|Enterprise}}<br><br />
{{T|1071608|Envoys of Mankind}}<br><br />
{{T|1256635|Escape to Venus}}<br><br />
{{T|927047|ESP and Personality Patterns}}<br><br />
{{T|992396|Essential Software for Writers}}<br><br />
{{T|1311917|Etchings and Odysseys #6}}<br><br />
{{T|1165145|Eternal Vigilance}}<br><br />
{{T|1117778|Etiquette With Your Robot Wife And Thirty More SF/F/H Lists}}<br><br />
{{T|1196340|Evenings with Demons}}<br><br />
{{T|1419243|Evil Spine-Tingling True Stories of Murder and Mayhem}}<br><br />
{{T|732137|Evolution in Action}}<br><br />
{{T|859506|Exotic Zoology}}<br><br />
{{T|785829|Exploring Space With a Camera}}<br><br />
{{T|1411673|Exposure}}<br><br />
{{T|1226852|Extro}}<br><br />
{{T|1092471|Eyes of Laura Mars}}<br><br />
{{T|883464|Fables}}<br><br />
{{T|602785|Faces in the Flames}}<br><br />
{{T|1061456|Facts and Fallacies: A Book of Definitive Mistakes and Misguided Predictions}}<br><br />
{{T|1229017|Fahrenbrink}}<br><br />
{{T|603477|Fairy Tale Favorites told by Mary Strang}}<br><br />
{{T|1236287|False Gods}}<br><br />
{{T|1397567|Fanews Portfolio}}<br><br />
{{T|404201|Fantastic Nudes, 2nd Series}}<br><br />
{{T|1447684|Fantasy and Science Fiction: A Critical Guide}}<br><br />
{{T|895904|Fantasy Calendar for 1950}}<br><br />
{{T|1397718|Fantasy Commentator: Sam Moskowitz and A. Langley Searles Memorial Issue}}<br><br />
{{T|1311569|Fantasy Empire "Lovecraft Special"}}<br><br />
{{T|1097438|Fantasy Media}}<br><br />
{{T|1097392|Fantasy Newsletter}}<br><br />
{{T|1226252|Fantasy Research & Bibliography}}<br><br />
{{T|1218126|Fantasy Tales}}<br><br />
{{T|1443426|Fantasy Tales 3}}<br><br />
{{T|1072808|Fantômas}} = Fantômas is a series of novels about a criminal mastermind, it's not really SF<br><br />
{{T|1203629|Far Arena: Part Five of the Okal Rel Saga}}<br><br />
{{T|166825|Far West}}<br><br />
{{T|1248952|Faster: the Acceleration of Just About Everything}}<br><br />
{{T|1088240|Fatal Women}}<br><br />
{{T|1331983|Fenrir}}<br><br />
{{T|609849|Feral}}<br><br />
{{T|616325|Fiction Writer's Handbook}}<br><br />
{{T|1186702|Fiction Writer's Market}}<br><br />
{{T|615221|Film Fantasy Scrapbook, New Edition}}<br><br />
{{T|1089940|Final Crisis: Legion of 3 Worlds}}<br><br />
{{T|1095547|First Strike! The Pentagon's Strategy for Nuclear War}}<br><br />
{{T|911994|Five Quarts: A Personal and Natural History of Blood}}<br><br />
{{T|817541|Flash Gordon: Into the Water World of Mongo}}<br><br />
{{T|1066379|Flim-Flam!}}<br><br />
{{T|404171|Fly By Night}}<br><br />
{{T|854931|Flying Saucers and the Straight-Line Mystery}}<br><br />
{{T|1256563|Flying Saucers from Another World}}<br><br />
{{T|835236|Flying Saucers: Fact or Fiction?}}<br><br />
{{T|1185930|Flying to 3,000 B.C.}}<br><br />
{{T|987619|Fool for an Agent}}<br><br />
{{T|864237|Forgotten Worlds}}<br><br />
{{T|1097390|Forthcoming SF Books}}<br><br />
{{T|209181|Fortress in the Sky}}<br><br />
{{T|1132244|Foss Poster Portfolio}}<br><br />
{{T|603093|Foundation read by William Shatner}}<br><br />
{{T|618153|Frankenstein}}<br><br />
{{T|1229088|Frankenstein: Icon of Modern Culture}}<br><br />
{{T|1332280|Freakcidents: A Surrealist Sideshow}}<br><br />
{{T|1411689|Free Fall}}<br><br />
{{T|1069828|Free Software}}<br><br />
{{T|938446|French Folktales from the Collection of Henri Pourrat}}<br><br />
{{T|1443402|Frisk}}<br><br />
{{T|1250416|From Blue to Black}}<br><br />
{{T|1280917|From Dawn to Dusk}}<br><br />
{{T|1061828|From Here to Quiddity: Clive Barker's The Great and Secret Show}}<br><br />
{{T|427371|From Jules Verne to Star Trek}}<br><br />
{{T|777777|From the Hells Beneath the Hells}}<br><br />
{{T|684773|From the Hells Beneath the Hells (audio recording)}}<br><br />
{{T|923083|Funny Face!}}<br><br />
{{T|1234901|Förchtbar Maschien}}<br><br />
{{T|1444844|G-8 and His Battle Aces #1: The Bat Staffel}}<br><br />
{{T|1121032|Galaxies Interieures 1}} = published by Denoel in the Présence du Futur series, not entered yet<br><br />
{{T|1121033|Galaxies Interieures 2}} = DONE<br><br />
{{T|866501|Gantry Affairs}}<br><br />
{{T|1048382|Gantz}}<br><br />
{{T|1066315|Genetic Alchemy}}<br><br />
{{T|1405857|Ghosts of Wyoming}}<br><br />
{{T|1226227|Giger N. Y. City}}<br><br />
{{T|166823|Gil Kane: The Art of the Comics}}<br><br />
{{T|1089373|God Jokes: The Art of Abdul Mati Klarwein}}<br><br />
{{T|744297|God Save the Queen}}<br><br />
{{T|1321092|God's War}}<br><br />
{{T|864246|Gods and Spacemen in the Ancient East}}<br><br />
{{T|864235|Gods From Outer Space}}<br><br />
{{T|864236|Gold of the Gods}}<br><br />
{{T|1026023|Golden}}<br><br />
{{T|604565|Gonna Roll the Bones read by Fritz Leiber}}<br><br />
{{T|1140747|Gothic Rock: All you ever wanted to know}}<br><br />
{{T|944018|Grab Your Socks}}<br><br />
{{T|1285895|Gradisil}}<br><br />
{{T|424051|Granfa' Grig Had a Pig}}<br><br />
{{T|602857|Gravely, Robert Bloch}}<br><br />
{{T|1293220|Gravesend}}<br><br />
{{T|768765|Green Lantern & Green Arrow #1}}<br><br />
{{T|1121589|Green Suns}}<br><br />
{{T|1186685|Greg Press Science Fiction Series: The Works of Fritz Leiber}}<br><br />
{{T|929772|Guided Missiles in War and Peace}}<br><br />
{{T|408021|Guzman Go Home}}<br><br />
{{T|1228711|H. G. Wells' Literary Criticism}}<br><br />
{{T|1188609|H. P. Lovecraft's Book of the Supernatural}}<br><br />
{{T|1311689|H. P. Lovecraft—Out for Blood}}<br><br />
{{T|1404198|H. Rider Haggard: His Life and Works}}<br><br />
{{T|866506|Handbook of Management}}<br><br />
{{T|604533|Hannes Bok II}}<br><br />
{{T|639565|Harlan! (audio recording)}}<br><br />
{{T|604569|Harlan! Harlan Ellison reads Harlan Ellison}}<br><br />
{{T|1266114|Harmon Place and Other Stories}}<br><br />
{{T|862897|Haunted New England}}<br><br />
{{T|938454|Having Technology}}<br><br />
{{T|1285164|he Country You Have Never Seen: Essays and Reviews}} = DONE, title mispelled<br><br />
{{T|582389|Heart of Darkness}}<br><br />
{{T|1121586|Heart of the Serpent}} = Effremov's novel ?<br><br />
{{T|1107800|Heat, Vol. 0}}<br><br />
{{T|856792|Heaven and Hell}}<br><br />
{{T|1215050|Hell's Bitch}}<br><br />
{{T|1411682|Hello Down There}}<br><br />
{{T|1146726|Helmquest}}<br><br />
{{T|1428549|Help! A Bear is Eating Me!}}<br><br />
{{T|1102494|Her Master Was Satan}}<br><br />
{{T|1226840|Heyne Science Fiction Magazin}}<br><br />
{{T|856277|Highway of the Sun}}<br><br />
{{T|1338626|Hilferuf aus Animaland}}<br><br />
{{T|786017|Hiroshima}}<br><br />
{{T|856394|Hoaxes}}<br><br />
{{T|1140638|Hoffman's Guide to SF, Horror and Fantasy Movies}}<br><br />
{{T|943130|Homebodies}}<br><br />
{{T|1069279|Horror Comics: The Illustrated History}}<br><br />
{{T|404221|Horror Films}}<br><br />
{{T|161017|Hot Blood}}<br><br />
{{T|1072827|House of Flesh}}<br><br />
{{T|1121674|How Doth the Busy Little Ant}}<br><br />
{{T|993890|How to Good-Bye Depression: If You Constrict Anus 100 Times Everyday. Malarkey? or Effective Way?}}<br><br />
{{T|160333|How To Live Forever}}<br><br />
{{T|335321|I Don't Know About Art}}<br><br />
{{T|335491|I Don't Know About Art}}<br><br />
{{T|873231|Icons of Horror and the Supernatural: An Encyclopedia of Our Worst Nightmares}}<br><br />
{{T|1397721|If By Reason of Strength}}<br><br />
{{T|1064754|Il segno del serpente}}<br><br />
{{T|1200932|Imagination}}<br><br />
{{T|1438718|Imaro II: The Quest for Cush}}<br><br />
{{T|1082598|Impulse 4}}<br><br />
{{T|1082599|Impulse 5}}<br><br />
{{T|1125033|In Conversation: A Writer's Perspective - Volume One: Horror}}<br><br />
{{T|905824|In Deepspace Shadows: A Dramatic Poem in Two Acts}}<br><br />
{{T|1226846|In Laurins Blick}}<br><br />
{{T|866371|In Memoriam: Clark Ashton Smith}}<br><br />
{{T|1308639|In Memoriam: Howard Phillips Lovecraft; Ethel M. Phillips Morrish}}<br><br />
{{T|942821|In Search of Ancient Astronomies}}<br><br />
{{T|864244|In Search of Ancient Mysteries}}<br><br />
{{T|938569|In the Beginning: Creation Stories from Around the World}}<br><br />
{{T|1104111|Index to British Science Fiction Magazines}}<br><br />
{{T|850795|Index to the Science Fiction and Fantasy Magazines: 1963}}<br><br />
{{T|806973|Index to the Science Fiction Magazines, 1969}}<br><br />
{{T|868205|Index to the Science Fiction Magazines: 1962}}<br><br />
{{T|829999|Index to the Science Fiction Magazines: 1967}}<br><br />
{{T|1060257|Index to the Strand Magazine 1891-1950}}<br><br />
{{T|217421|Industrial Nuclear Development}}<br><br />
{{T|1067529|Information Mechanics}}<br><br />
{{T|1313476|Insidious Garden: A Look at Horror Fiction}}<br><br />
{{T|1454449|Interplanetary: A History of the British Interplanetary Society}}<br><br />
{{T|1121051|Interstellar Travel}}<br><br />
{{T|1192096|Interview with R. A. Salvatore}}<br><br />
{{T|1286591|Interview: Chuck Palahniuk}}<br><br />
{{T|1243207|Interzone, No 208, February 2007}}<br><br />
{{T|1243213|Interzone, No 208, February 2007}}<br><br />
{{T|934280|Into Space}}<br><br />
{{T|1094312|Into Thin Air}}<br><br />
{{T|908750|Introduction to Modern Physics}}<br><br />
{{T|859641|Introduction to Space}}<br><br />
{{T|1224623|Irish Masters of Fantasy}}<br><br />
{{T|857647|It #6: UPA Issue}}<br><br />
{{T|993893|It Was a Dark and Stormy Night}}<br><br />
{{T|1120075|J. G. Ballard: The First Twenty Years}}<br><br />
{{T|615081|J. R. R. Tolkien Calendar 1976 by the Brothers Hildebrandt}}<br><br />
{{T|609609|J. R. R. Tolkien Reads and Sings His The Hobbit and The Fellowship of the Ring}}<br><br />
{{T|609613|J. R. R. Tolkien Reads and Sings His The Lord of the Rings (The Two Towers and The Return of the King)}}<br><br />
{{T|1094367|Jackie! All the Famous Broadsheets}}<br><br />
{{T|853152|James Gleick's CHAOS, the Software}}<br><br />
{{T|885388|John Constantine, Hellblazer: All His Engines}}<br><br />
{{T|1121242|John Russell Fearn - An Evaluation}}<br><br />
{{T|1387818|Journal of an Astronaut / Nostalgia of the Infinite}}<br><br />
{{T|861281|Journal Wired}}<br><br />
{{T|1213011|Journal Wired}}<br><br />
{{T|856919|Jules Verne, Prophet of a New Age}}<br><br />
{{T|1415284|Ka-Qua-Hawk-as}}<br><br />
{{T|1429953|Kadath}}<br><br />
{{T|615033|Kay Nielsen}}<br><br />
{{T|1347490|Kea's Flight}}<br><br />
{{T|1229089|Keep Watching the Skies! American Science Fiction Movies of the Fifties}}<br><br />
{{T|1281777|Kelland}}<br><br />
{{T|1418470|Kermit's Garden of Verses}}<br><br />
{{T|408051|King Queen Knave}}<br><br />
{{T|1303743|King Rat & Perdido Street Station}}<br><br />
{{T|1165177|Kitty}}<br><br />
{{T|578569|Kooperation}}<br><br />
{{T|1379312|Kronika Akaszy (Inicjacja, Skorupa Astralna)}}<br><br />
{{T|1382704|Kurs na zderzenie}}<br><br />
{{T|700681|L'Annee 1982-1983 de la Science-Fiction et du Fantastique}} = DONE<br><br />
{{T|980922|L'Ecran fantastique: la nouvelle dimension du cinema}}<br><br />
{{T|1224581|L'enfant des glaces}} = DONE<br><br />
{{T|1196813|L. A. Requiem}}<br><br />
{{T|1224614|La Nouvelle Science-Fiction Americaine}} = DONE<br><br />
{{T|985969|La Science-Fiction Francaise: 1918-1968}} = DONE<br><br />
{{T|1338627|Landa - Rebellin für die Freiheit}}<br><br />
{{T|925201|Larrousse Encyclopedia of Astronomy}}<br><br />
{{T|909728|Laugh or Cry: Finding the Lighter Side of disABILITIES}}<br><br />
{{T|1303699|Laughing Gas}}<br><br />
{{T|1106615|Lazarus 9}}<br><br />
{{T|1095098|Le Nuisible}}<br><br />
{{T|1226842|Le Planete du Jugement}} = DONE<br><br />
{{T|1226843|Le snant n'es pas le mort et autres recits}}<br><br />
{{T|563669|Legend: The Graphic Novel}}<br><br />
{{T|1095099|Les Manguers de Muraille}} = DONE (review title corrected)<br><br />
{{T|1095094|Les Sentinelles D'Almoha}} = DONE<br><br />
{{T|1121118|Let's Go to Golgotha}}<br><br />
{{T|995381|Letters of the Alien Publisher}}<br><br />
{{T|162142|Licence Denied: Ramblings from the Doctor Who Underground}}<br><br />
{{T|1331043|Lichtjahr 7}}<br><br />
{{T|1147087|Life Between Life}}<br><br />
{{T|1309073|Life of Insects}}<br><br />
{{T|1102495|Lilith's Daughter}}<br><br />
{{T|873236|Literary Walking Tours of Gothic Dublin}}<br><br />
{{T|1319614|Little Nemo in Slumberland}}<br><br />
{{T|867429|Living Magic}}<br><br />
{{T|622637|Lobbying for Space}}<br><br />
{{T|902701|Local Area Networks in Large Organizations: A Manager's Briefing}}<br><br />
{{T|1280891|Logan's Run: Last Day #1}}<br><br />
{{T|1243214|Lone Star Stories, #19}}<br><br />
{{T|1100656|Lost Atlantis}}<br><br />
{{T|1307165|Lost Cities of Ancient Lemuria and the Pacific}}<br><br />
{{T|1181687|Lost in Booth Nine}}<br><br />
{{T|1312006|Lost in the Rentharpian Hills: Spanning the Decades with Carl Jacobi}}<br><br />
{{T|615209|Lost Worlds}}<br><br />
{{T|949775|Love Versus Corruption in a Psychological Space Opera: C.J. Merle's Of Honor and Treason}}<br><br />
{{T|1311836|Lovecraft Remembered}}<br><br />
{{T|1312493|Lovecraft Studies #12}}<br><br />
{{T|1313201|Lovecraft Studies #15}}<br><br />
{{T|1314073|Lovecraft Studies #17}}<br><br />
{{T|1308636|Lovecraft Studies 14}}<br><br />
{{T|1308360|Lovecraft Studies 16}}<br><br />
{{T|1314739|Lovecraft Studies 21}}<br><br />
{{T|1313308|Lovecraft: A Study in the Fantastic}}<br><br />
{{T|1215051|Lucifer's Altar Girl}}<br><br />
{{T|753189|Lueurs sur les Soucoupes Volantes}}<br><br />
{{T|602841|Lugosi: The Man Behind the Cape}}<br><br />
{{T|1069912|Machenalia}}<br><br />
{{T|1243927|Madame Blavatsky's Baboon}}<br><br />
{{T|1008202|Magazine-Writing—Peter Snook}}<br><br />
{{T|1062554|Mage: The Hero Discovered}}<br><br />
{{T|1026059|Magical Changes}}<br><br />
{{T|838562|Magnificent Universe}}<br><br />
{{T|1092504|Magritte}}<br><br />
{{T|1061136|Maine Quartet}}<br><br />
{{T|1316770|Man and the Moon}}<br><br />
{{T|1066697|Man and the Planets}}<br><br />
{{T|843410|Man in the Universe}}<br><br />
{{T|1052244|Man Must Measure}}<br><br />
{{T|866126|Man on Earth: How Civilization and Technology Changed the Face of the Earth}}<br><br />
{{T|867323|Man Unlimited}}<br><br />
{{T|1428546|Market Adjustment}}<br><br />
{{T|1241914|Mars}}<br><br />
{{T|677173|Mars and the Mind of Man}}<br><br />
{{T|1144708|Masks of Mayhem}}<br><br />
{{T|1229108|Master Mechanics and Wicked Wizards: Images of the American Scientist as Hero and Villain from Colonial Times to the Present}}<br><br />
{{T|1089452|Masters of Comic Book Art}}<br><br />
{{T|1106620|Masters of Inworld}}<br><br />
{{T|1100655|Mathematics for the Million}}<br><br />
{{T|160883|Maus}}<br><br />
{{T|942126|Max}}<br><br />
{{T|1057165|Meeting of Minds}}<br><br />
{{T|1432054|Meeting the Dog Girls}}<br><br />
{{T|1338623|Mein Fleisch wird brennen}}<br><br />
{{T|1243425|Memories of the Irish Isreali War}}<br><br />
{{T|1315028|Men of Dunwich: The Story of a Vanished Town}}<br><br />
{{T|750265|Men Of Space}}<br><br />
{{T|1258086|Men, Missiles and Machines}}<br><br />
{{T|1107842|Menace: Battle Mountain}}<br><br />
{{T|1152216|MGM's Marvelous Wizard of Oz}}<br><br />
{{T|1062552|MIchael Moorcock's Elric of Melnibone}}<br><br />
{{T|1094795|Micro-Computing: Everything You Ever Wanted to Know}}<br><br />
{{T|862898|Mind Children: The Future of Robot and Human Intelligence}}<br><br />
{{T|1066832|Mind on Fire}}<br><br />
{{T|1314109|Minnesota Fantasy Review, Vol. 2, #2}}<br><br />
{{T|1088291|Miracles of the Gods}}<br><br />
{{T|1066316|Mission to Mars}}<br><br />
{{T|1261107|Mister Pip}}<br><br />
{{T|1336674|Mobile Architektur: Entwurf und Technologie}}<br><br />
{{T|162143|Modern British Utopias, 1700-1850}}<br><br />
{{T|931555|Modern Experiments in Telepathy}}<br><br />
{{T|1113349|Mollie Peer}}<br><br />
{{T|1082628|Monolith 2}}<br><br />
{{T|1061827|Monsters, Miracles, and Revelations: Clive Barker's Tales of Transformation (The Second Three Books of Blood)}}<br><br />
{{T|871010|Moon Base: Technical and Psychological Aspects}}<br><br />
{{T|414021|Moon-Whales and Other Moon Poems}}<br><br />
{{T|1258973|Moonlight Red}}<br><br />
{{T|931351|Moonraker}}<br><br />
{{T|1079562|Mosig at Last: A Psychologist Looks at H. P. Lovecraft}}<br><br />
{{T|603461|Mother and the Flying Saucer}}<br><br />
{{T|908245|Mother Goose: Numbers on the Loose}}<br><br />
{{T|1154220|Movies in Fifteen Minutes}}<br><br />
{{T|253221|Mr. Hero-The Newmatic Man 1}}<br><br />
{{T|404141|Mr. Moon's Last Case}}<br><br />
{{T|1411685|Mr. Summer's Story}}<br><br />
{{T|1052242|Mysteries of Space and Time}}<br><br />
{{T|956588|Mysteries of the North Pole}}<br><br />
{{T|1186689|Mystery Adventure}}<br><br />
{{T|1341516|MythConceptions}}<br><br />
{{T|1341517|MythDirection}}<br><br />
{{T|1387754|Narcotic Signature}}<br><br />
{{T|1250429|Native Rites}}<br><br />
{{T|1266115|Native Tongue}}<br><br />
{{T|723865|Nature's Ways}}<br><br />
{{T|160329|Nemira '95}}<br><br />
{{T|744305|Neptune Noir}}<br><br />
{{T|1137339|New Crimes}}<br><br />
{{T|1072802|New Grub Street}}<br><br />
{{T|918782|New Tales of the Arabian Nights}}<br><br />
{{T|916228|New Worlds}}<br><br />
{{T|162340|New Worlds (1997)}}<br><br />
{{T|1083722|New Worlds 150}}<br><br />
{{T|1083724|New Worlds 151}}<br><br />
{{T|1082695|New Worlds 160}}<br><br />
{{T|1082678|New Worlds 161}}<br><br />
{{T|1082680|New Worlds 162}}<br><br />
{{T|1082602|New Worlds 163}}<br><br />
{{T|1082603|New Worlds 165}}<br><br />
{{T|1082604|New Worlds 166}}<br><br />
{{T|1082605|New Worlds 167}}<br><br />
{{T|1120049|New Worlds 173}}<br><br />
{{T|1082893|New Worlds 182}}<br><br />
{{T|856296|New Worlds of Modern Science}}<br><br />
{{T|679009|New Worlds SF, November 1965}}<br><br />
{{T|678609|New Worlds SF, October 1965}}<br><br />
{{T|678605|New Worlds SF, September 1965}}<br><br />
{{T|582481|Night Has a Thousand Eyes}}<br><br />
{{T|1072855|Nightshade}}<br><br />
{{T|913225|No Apparent Danger: The True Story of Volcanic Disaster at Galeras and Nevado del Ruiz}}<br><br />
{{T|993894|No Need For Loose Ends, a review of Galactic Cluster}}<br><br />
{{T|1314104|Nocturne, Primus}}<br><br />
{{T|1308470|Nocturne, Secundus}}<br><br />
{{T|1281778|Norman Corwin's One World Flight}}<br><br />
{{T|1140643|Nostalgia About Comics}}<br><br />
{{T|1380337|Nostradamus: The Man Who Saw Through Time}}<br><br />
{{T|1428551|Not Quite One of the Boys}}<br><br />
{{T|704557|Now You See It . . .}} = DONE<br><br />
{{T|1323760|Oath of Moment}}<br><br />
{{T|1089372|Occupied Spaces}}<br><br />
{{T|857522|Of Stars and Men}}<br><br />
{{T|1313282|Off the Ancient Track, A Lovecraftian Guide to New-England & Adjacent New York}}<br><br />
{{T|1203592|Okal Rel Universe: Anthology 2}}<br><br />
{{T|1148616|On Human Nature}}<br><br />
{{T|615429|On Location on Martha's Vineyard (The Making of the Movie "Jaws")}}<br><br />
{{T|853098|On Spec: The Canadian Magazine of Speculative Writting}}<br><br />
{{T|1418472|On the Frontiers of Science}}<br><br />
{{T|609605|One Winter Night in August and Other Nonsense Jingles}}<br><br />
{{T|1387843|Orbiting a Data Dump #5}}<br><br />
{{T|158504|ORPHIA: Slavonic Science Fiction and Fantasy Magazine Issue #1 (March 1990)}}<br><br />
{{T|1229461|Otherwhere}}<br><br />
{{T|935189|Our Neighbor Worlds}}<br><br />
{{T|1135974|Out of the Pit}}<br><br />
{{T|1072850|Outer Dark}}<br><br />
{{T|1215409|Paper Star Ships}}<br><br />
{{T|1097750|Para}}<br><br />
{{T|1160711|Paradise Junction}}<br><br />
{{T|1067618|Paradox: The Case for the Extraterrestrial Origin of Man}}<br><br />
{{T|1065477|Paranormal Borderlands of Science}}<br><br />
{{T|633209|Parapsychology: An Insider's View of ESP}}<br><br />
{{T|1314112|Parts}}<br><br />
{{T|920984|Peace or Pestilence}}<br><br />
{{T|408151|Penguin Science Survey, 1968, the Physical Sciences}}<br><br />
{{T|965484|People of Darkness}}<br><br />
{{T|1066380|Philosophers Look at Science Fiction}}<br><br />
{{T|933319|Physics of the Planet Mars}}<br><br />
{{T|1070863|Pioneering the Space Frontier}}<br><br />
{{T|873503|Plagiarism and Pederasty: Skeletons in the Jamesian Closet}}<br><br />
{{T|1405874|Poe in His Own Time}}<br><br />
{{T|1387819|Poems of the Divided Self}}<br><br />
{{T|914301|Pompidou Posse}}<br><br />
{{T|1397583|Portents}}<br><br />
{{T|1068502|Portfolio}}<br><br />
{{T|1095097|Portrait du Diable en Chapeau-Melon}}<br><br />
{{T|873508|Postscripts, March 2007}}<br><br />
{{T|609413|Prelude to Science: An Exploration of Magic and Divination}}<br><br />
{{T|408041|Preserve and Protect}}<br><br />
{{T|1387844|Preternaturally Yours}}<br><br />
{{T|1102498|Princess of Darkness}}<br><br />
{{T|1089478|Projections: The Gilbert Williams 1979 Calendar}}<br><br />
{{T|525989|Prolongevity}}<br><br />
{{T|847353|Providence Island}}<br><br />
{{T|618157|Psycho}}<br><br />
{{T|1411662|Psychos}}<br><br />
{{T|862959|Pulphouse 2, Winter 1988}}<br><br />
{{T|1162487|Purpose of Evasion}}<br><br />
{{T|1094383|Quest for the Golden Sorcerer}}<br><br />
{{T|1102241|Quest's End}}<br><br />
{{T|1008416|R. A. Lafferty}}<br><br />
{{T|1166300|Radical Evolution}}<br><br />
{{T|1215959|Raped by the Devil}}<br><br />
{{T|166824|Raptors III}}<br><br />
{{T|1046925|Ray Bradbury on Stage}}<br><br />
{{T|609801|Ray Bradbury: The Martian Chronicles, read by Leonard Nimoy}}<br><br />
{{T|1185929|Realities of Space Travel}}<br><br />
{{T|1411006|Reality Forbidden}}<br><br />
{{T|1243211|Realms of Fantasy, April 2007}}<br><br />
{{T|1243208|Realms of Fantasy, February 2007}}<br><br />
{{T|1144380|Rebel Planet}}<br><br />
{{T|617373|Reference Guide to Fantastic Films, Vols. 1-3}}<br><br />
{{T|827650|Reference Guide to Fantastic Films: Science Fiction, Fantasy, and Horror}}<br><br />
{{T|1144376|Renegade}}<br><br />
{{T|1072894|Reprisal}}<br><br />
{{T|1156110|Requiem for a Rogue}}<br><br />
{{T|583865|Reverbstorm}}<br><br />
{{T|1415598|Reves de Gloire}} = novel published by L'Atalante, not entered yet<br><br />
{{T|995548|Review of How the Wizard Came to Oz . . .}}<br><br />
{{T|1008201|Review of Stephens' "Arabia Petraea"}}<br><br />
{{T|995547|Review of the Prometheus Project . . .}}<br><br />
{{T|583285|Rex Miller: The Complete Revelations}}<br><br />
{{T|1282873|Richard Matheson On Screen: A History of the Filmed Works}}<br><br />
{{T|989465|Rim of Fire}}<br><br />
{{T|965480|River of Death}}<br><br />
{{T|1082626|Riverside Quarterly Jan 1970}}<br><br />
{{T|1062553|Robert Bloch's Hell on Earth}}<br><br />
{{T|1314731|Robert E. Howard Fight Magazine #1}}<br><br />
{{T|1223435|Robert Silverberg Reads "To See the Invisible Man" and "Passengers"}}<br><br />
{{T|1144699|Robot Commando}}<br><br />
{{T|1215833|Robot-Bot-Bot}}<br><br />
{{T|1070242|Robotics}}<br><br />
{{T|1226251|Roderick, Vol 1}}<br><br />
{{T|560529|Rose of the Prophet}}<br><br />
{{T|194491|Roswell: Inconvenients Facts and the Will to Believe}}<br><br />
{{T|1368746|Rover's Tales}}<br><br />
{{T|1249771|Rubicon}}<br><br />
{{T|853153|Rudy Rucker's Cellular Automata Laboratory}}<br><br />
{{T|939823|Run for Blood}}<br><br />
{{T|930932|Russian Science in the 21st Century}}<br><br />
{{T|159514|Sacrifice}}<br><br />
{{T|1072508|Saga of the Swamp Thing}}<br><br />
{{T|1160781|Sandman: Book of Dreams}}<br><br />
{{T|158817|Sandman: The Kindly Ones}}<br><br />
{{T|1160593|Sandman: The Kindly Ones}}<br><br />
{{T|1215053|Satanic Virgin}}<br><br />
{{T|921779|Schlock Mercenary: Under New Management}}<br><br />
{{T|1102497|Schooled by the Devil}}<br><br />
{{T|615077|Science Calendar 1976}}<br><br />
{{T|1083721|Science Fantasy 72}}<br><br />
{{T|1083723|Science Fantasy 73}}<br><br />
{{T|679013|Science Fantasy, November 1965}}<br><br />
{{T|678617|Science Fantasy, October 1965}}<br><br />
{{T|678613|Science Fantasy, September 1965}}<br><br />
{{T|1186694|Science Fiction #3}}<br><br />
{{T|401841|Science Fiction Calendar 1977}}<br><br />
{{T|812917|Science Fiction Comes to College}}<br><br />
{{T|1452629|Science Fiction Handbook, Revised}}<br><br />
{{T|807841|Science Fiction No-Frills Novel}}<br><br />
{{T|866372|Science Fiction Review}}<br><br />
{{T|1159153|Science Fiction Studies 91: The British SF Boom (Vol 30 Part 3 Nov 2003)}}<br><br />
{{T|924220|Science for the Citizen}}<br><br />
{{T|905853|Science, Evolution, and Creationism}}<br><br />
{{T|1226226|Science: Good, Bad and Bogus}}<br><br />
{{T|1257719|Scientific Wonders of the Atomic Age}}<br><br />
{{T|543881|Scientists At Work}}<br><br />
{{T|1410832|Scientology: The Now Religion}}<br><br />
{{T|1052039|Scream from Outer Space}}<br><br />
{{T|166112|Season X}}<br><br />
{{T|931065|Secrets of Space Flight}}<br><br />
{{T|1419439|Selected Letters 1931 - 1936}}<br><br />
{{T|974021|Selected Letters, 1929-1931}}<br><br />
{{T|1111864|Selected Poems}}<br><br />
{{T|1146729|Self Healing}}<br><br />
{{T|862899|Selling Science: How the Press Covers Science and Technology}}<br><br />
{{T|1249763|Sensing Others}}<br><br />
{{T|1065811|Seven Tomorrows}}<br><br />
{{T|1060202|SF Commentary Reprint Edition: First Year 1969}}<br><br />
{{T|1082600|SF Impulse 6}}<br><br />
{{T|1082601|SF Impulse 9}}<br><br />
{{T|159515|Shadow Games}}<br><br />
{{T|985971|Shared Fantasy: Role-Playing Games as Social Worlds}}<br><br />
{{T|1411696|Shella}}<br><br />
{{T|1447691|Si Mai Avait Gagné (If May Had Been Won)}}<br><br />
{{T|1148611|Sideshow: Kissinger, Nixon and the Destruction of Cambodia}}<br><br />
{{T|158821|Sierra Heaven}}<br><br />
{{T|1381977|Siezon tumanow}}<br><br />
{{T|1242450|Sight Unseen}}<br><br />
{{T|1144701|Silent Night: The Defeat of NATO}}<br><br />
{{T|123457|Silent Partners}}<br><br />
{{T|599817|Silver Scream}}<br><br />
{{T|1419216|Silver Scream: 40 Classic Horror Movies, Volume Two}}<br><br />
{{T|1249764|Sinning in Sevens}}<br><br />
{{T|1095554|SIOP}}<br><br />
{{T|576945|Skoob Directory of Secondhand Bookshops in the British Isles}}<br><br />
{{T|1308930|Slaughter House Magazine, Vol. 1, #3}}<br><br />
{{T|663293|Sleepless Dreams}}<br><br />
{{T|883463|Sojourn}}<br><br />
{{T|1332307|Soliton}}<br><br />
{{T|1411688|Some Days You Get the Bear}}<br><br />
{{T|1107782|Something New Under the Sun: An Environmental History of the Twentieth-Century World}}<br><br />
{{T|194048|Son of Darkness}}<br><br />
{{T|931673|Song of the Sky}}<br><br />
{{T|1382743|Song of the Sky}}<br><br />
{{T|1113640|Songs and Sonnets Atlantean, the Second Series}}<br><br />
{{T|1387799|Sorceries and Sorrows: Early Poems}}<br><br />
{{T|1162500|Soul/Mate}}<br><br />
{{T|1123015|Sound of Wonder: Interviews from "The Science Fiction Radio Show"}}<br><br />
{{T|980162|Soviet Literature, No. 2: Science Fiction of Today}}<br><br />
{{T|881155|Soviet Research on Gravitation}}<br><br />
{{T|847349|Soviet Writings on Earth Satellites and Space Travel}}<br><br />
{{T|842577|Space Age Terminology}}<br><br />
{{T|861924|Space Enterprise: Beyond Nasa}}<br><br />
{{T|875092|Space Processing, Products and Profits, 1983-1990}}<br><br />
{{T|1258079|Space Research and Exploration}}<br><br />
{{T|855656|Space Stations}}<br><br />
{{T|852557|Space Travel}}<br><br />
{{T|1146696|Spaceman}}<br><br />
{{T|1411692|Spark}}<br><br />
{{T|1215829|Special Effects, Vol 1}}<br><br />
{{T|1159803|Special Effects: The History and Technique}}<br><br />
{{T|991554|Specula: Selected Uncollected Poems: 1968-1993}}<br><br />
{{T|1373847|Spellbound 2011}}<br><br />
{{T|1226128|Splatter Movies}}<br><br />
{{T|1381975|Spotkanie w przestworzach. Antologia m&#322;odych '79}}<br><br />
{{T|1215960|Spread for Satan}}<br><br />
{{T|1428548|Squid Pulp Blues}}<br><br />
{{T|615069|Star Trek (Stardate) Calendar 1976}}<br><br />
{{T|427361|Star Trek Fotonovels}}<br><br />
{{T|1089517|Star Trek Intergalactic Puzzles}}<br><br />
{{T|161305|Star Trek: Captain's Logs: Supplemental}}<br><br />
{{T|1044698|Starclimber: The Literary Adventures and Autobiography of Raymond Z. Gallun}}<br><br />
{{T|942042|Starlog Photo Guidebook to Science Fiction Toys & Models, Volume 1}}<br><br />
{{T|602641|Starstream Numbers 1 - 4}}<br><br />
{{T|1422996|Steve Harrison's Casebook}}<br><br />
{{T|1146952|Steven Spielberg's Amazing Stories}}<br><br />
{{T|1188659|Sticks and Stones}}<br><br />
{{T|1419250|Still Missing}}<br><br />
{{T|837910|Stop Me Before I Do It Again!}}<br><br />
{{T|1243215|Strange Horizons, 12 February 2007}}<br><br />
{{T|1243216|Strange Horizons, 19 February 2007}}<br><br />
{{T|1411691|Strip Tease}}<br><br />
{{T|1338612|Studien des Todes}}<br><br />
{{T|1122833|Studies in Speculative Fantasy}}<br><br />
{{T|1313475|Studies in Weird Fiction #3}}<br><br />
{{T|1314105|Studies in Weird Fiction #4}}<br><br />
{{T|1314608|Studies in Weird Fiction 6}}<br><br />
{{T|1314809|Studies in Weird Fiction 7}}<br><br />
{{T|161034|Studies of Death}}<br><br />
{{T|639073|Sturgeon (audio recording)}}<br><br />
{{T|1411694|Summer of Fear}}<br><br />
{{T|1088701|Sun Sign Success}}<br><br />
{{T|855606|Sun, Sea and Sky}}<br><br />
{{T|1210742|Supernatural Fiction for Teens}}<br><br />
{{T|1121804|Supernatural Stories No. 20}}<br><br />
{{T|929767|Survival in the Sky}}<br><br />
{{T|938364|Swan Lake}}<br><br />
{{T|1226986|Syn-Code 7}}<br><br />
{{T|647781|T.A.Z.: The Temporary Autonomous Zone, Ontological Anarchy, Poetic Terrorism}}<br><br />
{{T|1381976|Tak bardzo chcia&#322; by&#263; cz&#322;owiekiem}}<br><br />
{{T|609113|Talbot Mundy Biblio}}<br><br />
{{T|867284|Talbot Mundy Biblio}}<br><br />
{{T|1311688|Tales of Horror and Damnation #6}}<br><br />
{{T|1201435|Tales of Piracy, Crime and Ghosts}}<br><br />
{{T|1068154|Tales of the Ling Master}}<br><br />
{{T|1243070|Tales of the Night}}<br><br />
{{T|1113638|Tales of War}}<br><br />
{{T|1422997|Tales of Weird Menace}}<br><br />
{{T|1086993|Talisman of Death}}<br><br />
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{{T|940286|Tarzan and Tradition}}<br><br />
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{{T|1135998|Tau #4}}<br><br />
{{T|1088012|Teacup Fortune-Telling}}<br><br />
{{T|864245|Temple of the Stars}}<br><br />
{{T|1405855|Tempting Providence and Other Stories}}<br><br />
{{T|921784|Ten Worlds: Everything that Orbits the Sun}}<br><br />
{{T|1322846|Tenebrous Tales}}<br><br />
{{T|1331045|TERRAsse - Das Begleitheft zum PENTA-CON '99}}<br><br />
{{T|1084956|Territories 2, 1992}}<br><br />
{{T|1451946|Terror Out of Time}}<br><br />
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{{T|252381|The 1969 Britannica Yearbook of Science and the Future}}<br><br />
{{T|615061|The 1975 Kelly Freas Selections}}<br><br />
{{T|401831|The 1977 J. R. R. Tolkien Calendar}}<br><br />
{{T|976604|The 1984 Calendar: An American History}}<br><br />
{{T|1147009|The 1st Great Kids Activity Catalogue}}<br><br />
{{T|596789|The ABC of Relativity}}<br><br />
{{T|848241|The ABC of Relativity}}<br><br />
{{T|872541|The Adam Strange Archives, Volume 1}}<br><br />
{{T|1333920|The Adjustment Team: The Collected Stories of Philip K. Dick, Volume 2}}<br><br />
{{T|1160059|The Adventures of Cyclops and Phoenux}}<br><br />
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{{T|166914|The Age of Discoveries}}<br><br />
{{T|1137512|The Airtight Garage}}<br><br />
{{T|1052144|The All-American Boys}}<br><br />
{{T|1215532|The Amazing Adventures of Flash Gordon, Vol 1.}}<br><br />
{{T|1215533|The Amazing Adventures of Flash Gordon, Vol 2.}}<br><br />
{{T|1215527|The Amazing Spider-Man}}<br><br />
{{T|1095366|The Ancient Magic of the Pyramids}}<br><br />
{{T|602633|The Apocalypse Papers}}<br><br />
{{T|639061|The Apocalypse Papers}}<br><br />
{{T|1161114|The Art of Queen: The Eye}}<br><br />
{{T|941074|The Art of Robert McCall: A Celebration of Our Future in Space}}<br><br />
{{T|1419232|The Art of Zombie Warfare}}<br><br />
{{T|1338877|The Atari Ecologues}}<br><br />
{{T|1159948|The Babylon Project}}<br><br />
{{T|938572|The Ballad of Biddy Early}}<br><br />
{{T|540293|The Ballad of Halo Jones, Bks 1, 2 and 3}}<br><br />
{{T|861996|The Bank Street Books of Science Fiction, Fantasy, Creepy Tales, and Mystery}}<br><br />
{{T|1095551|The Baroque Arsenal}}<br><br />
{{T|679369|The BASRA Journal, Vol. 1, No. 7}}<br><br />
{{T|768165|The Beekeeper's Apprentice}}<br><br />
{{T|929768|The Best American Short Stories: 1955}}<br><br />
{{T|253181|The Best From Fantasy and Science Fiction}}<br><br />
{{T|1316771|The Best from Fantasy and Science Fiction: Tenth Series}}<br><br />
{{T|1419233|The Best Horror of the Year, Volume 2}}<br><br />
{{T|1120765|The Best of Arthur C. Clarke}}<br><br />
{{T|1097382|The Bibliography of Crime Fiction, 1749-1975}}<br><br />
{{T|1419234|The Big Bang}}<br><br />
{{T|1229677|The Big Bang Never Happened}}<br><br />
{{T|851175|The Big Splat: or How Our Moon Came to Be}}<br><br />
{{T|1083555|The Bird of Paradise}}<br><br />
{{T|616913|The Birth of a Principality}}<br><br />
{{T|521965|The Black Box: Last Words from the Cockpit}}<br><br />
{{T|1160558|The Black Dragon}}<br><br />
{{T|1107802|The Blackwinged Night: Creativity in Nature and Mind}}<br><br />
{{T|1072834|The Blind Owl}}<br><br />
{{T|404161|The Blue Stone}}<br><br />
{{T|925810|The Body's Guest}}<br><br />
{{T|1332306|The Body's Last Days}}<br><br />
{{T|938366|The Bomb and the General}}<br><br />
{{T|965478|The Book of Runes}}<br><br />
{{T|938448|The Boy of the Three-Year Nap}}<br><br />
{{T|1065522|The Boy Who Discovered the Earth}}<br><br />
{{T|949769|The Bridge Between Truth/Death and Power/Knowledge: Ted Chiang's "72 Letters"}}<br><br />
{{T|854935|The Bull of Minos}}<br><br />
{{T|635669|The Burroughs Bulletin, No. 12}}<br><br />
{{T|1280889|The Butcher of Box Hill}}<br><br />
{{T|1068437|The Call of the Weird}}<br><br />
{{T|1073571|The Castle}}<br><br />
{{T|1427187|The Caterer #3}}<br><br />
{{T|548237|The Celtic Art Source Book}}<br><br />
{{T|1125410|The Celtic Art Source Book}}<br><br />
{{T|852750|The Challenge of Man's Future}}<br><br />
{{T|1411690|The Cheshire Moon}}<br><br />
{{T|604149|The Church Mice Spread Their Wings}}<br><br />
{{T|1147175|The City of Shadows 1}}<br><br />
{{T|1147176|The City of Shadows 2}}<br><br />
{{T|917621|The CoEvolution Quarterly}}<br><br />
{{T|1355817|The Collected Fantasies of Clark Ashton Smith, Volume 1 and 2}}<br><br />
{{T|1072844|The Collector}}<br><br />
{{T|1215395|The Comic Book PrIce Guide No. 9}}<br><br />
{{T|913011|The Coming of Stars: Rhysling Award Winners Showcase}}<br><br />
{{T|852564|The Coming of the Space Ships}}<br><br />
{{T|1387776|The Cosmic Cycle}}<br><br />
{{T|647837|The Cosmic Wisdom of Joe Bob Briggs}}<br><br />
{{T|666549|The Dark Other / The Undesired Princess}}<br><br />
{{T|1312992|The Death of a Gentleman: The Last Days of Howard Phillips Lovecraft}}<br><br />
{{T|1095549|The Death of Deterrence}}<br><br />
{{T|1035069|The Death of Rocketry}}<br><br />
{{T|917408|The Death of the Sun}}<br><br />
{{T|1061826|The Delights of Dread: Clive Barker's First Three Books of Blood}}<br><br />
{{T|1188499|The Development of Astronomical Thought}}<br><br />
{{T|1118979|The Devil is a Gentleman: The Life and Times of Dennis Wheatley}}<br><br />
{{T|1102493|The Devil's Torture}}<br><br />
{{T|1241850|The Difference Engine}} = DONE<br><br />
{{T|924977|The Discoveries: Great Breakthroughs in 20th Century Science}}<br><br />
{{T|617073|The Discovery of the Future: The Ways Science Fiction Developed}}<br><br />
{{T|1247490|The Divinity Student}}<br><br />
{{T|616329|The Dracula Book}}<br><br />
{{T|1151921|The Dreaming: Beyond the Shores of Night}}<br><br />
{{T|1106613|The Dumarest Companion}}<br><br />
{{T|1121050|The Dune Trilogy}}<br><br />
{{T|1418227|The Early del Rey Vol. 1}} = DONE<br><br />
{{T|1418228|The Early del Rey Vol. 2}} = DONE<br><br />
{{T|596825|The Earth Beneath the Sea}}<br><br />
{{T|1038460|The Eighth Day of Creation}}<br><br />
{{T|811241|The Electric Bibliograph, Part I: Clifford D. Simak}}<br><br />
{{T|1120769|The Encyclopaedia of Ignorance}}<br><br />
{{T|1411658|The Encyclopdia of Death}}<br><br />
{{T|615037|The English Dreaners}}<br><br />
{{T|902698|The Essential Users Guide to the IBM PC, XT and PC Jr.}}<br><br />
{{T|1226034|The Eureka Years}}<br><br />
{{T|1122638|The Evil 100: Fascinating True-Life Tales of Terror, Mayhem and Savagery}}<br><br />
{{T|859640|The Exploration of the Solar System}}<br><br />
{{T|1121052|The Eyes Trilogy}}<br><br />
{{T|162147|The Faber Book of Science}}<br><br />
{{T|1397568|The Fabulous Faust}}<br><br />
{{T|859642|The Face of the Earth}}<br><br />
{{T|866848|The Face on Mars: Evidence for a Lost Civilization?}}<br><br />
{{T|1427186|The Faggiest Vampire}}<br><br />
{{T|943129|The Female Approach}}<br><br />
{{T|1371755|The Ferret Chronicles: Air Ferrets Aloft}}<br><br />
{{T|1371757|The Ferret Chronicles: Rancher Ferrets on the Range}}<br><br />
{{T|1371754|The Ferret Chronicles: Rescue Ferrets at Sea}}<br><br />
{{T|1371756|The Ferret Chronicles: Writer Ferrets Chasing the Muse}}<br><br />
{{T|986138|The Films of Roger Corman: Brilliance on a Budget}}<br><br />
{{T|1095184|The Final Decade: Will We Survive the 1980s?}}<br><br />
{{T|1162515|The Final Friends Trilogy}}<br><br />
{{T|873739|The Firmament of Time}}<br><br />
{{T|218981|The Fitzgerald Report}}<br><br />
{{T|854933|The Fitzroy Jules Verne}}<br><br />
{{T|408081|The Floating Opera}}<br><br />
{{T|1314028|The Forbidden Room and How the Forbidden Room Happened}}<br><br />
{{T|856791|The Fossil Evidence for Human Evolution}}<br><br />
{{T|401821|The Frank Frazetta Calendar 1977}}<br><br />
{{T|166600|The Furies}}<br><br />
{{T|850254|The Future of Ideas: The Fate of the Commons in a Connected World}}<br><br />
{{T|1449260|The Game Is Altered}}<br><br />
{{T|880015|The Goblet Club}}<br><br />
{{T|864238|The Gods Unknown}}<br><br />
{{T|940771|The Gold of the Gods}}<br><br />
{{T|928803|The Golden Archer}}<br><br />
{{T|1323745|The Good Man Jesus and the Scoundrel Christ}}<br><br />
{{T|604537|The Grass Tower}}<br><br />
{{T|923142|The Great Flying Saucer Conspiracy}}<br><br />
{{T|940277|The Great Science Fiction Pictures}}<br><br />
{{T|1252054|The Green Plantations}}<br><br />
{{T|866374|The Gridley Wave and the Burroughs Bulletin}}<br><br />
{{T|1152850|The Guns of Valverde}}<br><br />
{{T|1314753|The H. P. Lovecraft 1987 Calendar}}<br><br />
{{T|1428552|The Haunted Vagina}}<br><br />
{{T|580149|The Heart of the Beast}}<br><br />
{{T|1123326|The Hitch-Hikers' Guide to the Universe}}<br><br />
{{T|609429|The Hobbit Calendar 1976}}<br><br />
{{T|864243|The Home of the Gods}}<br><br />
{{T|1405844|The Horror of the Heights and Other Strange Tales}}<br><br />
{{T|1244726|The Hounds of Heaven}}<br><br />
{{T|1278443|The Hungry Ghosts}}<br><br />
{{T|942608|The Hydrogen World View}}<br><br />
{{T|1089463|The Illustrated Edgar Allen Poe}}<br><br />
{{T|603097|The Illustrated Man read by Leonard Nimoy}}<br><br />
{{T|1266113|The Imaginal Rave}}<br><br />
{{T|526001|The Immortalist}}<br><br />
{{T|526005|The Immortalist}}<br><br />
{{T|857280|The Inner Metagalaxy}}<br><br />
{{T|1069765|The Inventions of Daedalus}}<br><br />
{{T|1067058|The Invisible Landscape}}<br><br />
{{T|984662|The James Bond Films: A Behind the Scenes History}}<br><br />
{{T|1120766|The Journey to the East}}<br><br />
{{T|927046|The Kensington Stone: A Mystery Solved}}<br><br />
{{T|1072829|The Killer Inside Me}}<br><br />
{{T|1261109|The Kingdom of Bones}}<br><br />
{{T|161101|The Kipton Chronicles}}<br><br />
{{T|1088239|The Kiss of Death}}<br><br />
{{T|1447686|The Late Great Creature}}<br><br />
{{T|1094322|The Lean Years: Politics in the Age of Scarcity}}<br><br />
{{T|1405845|The Legend of Sleepy Hollow and Other Macabre Tales}}<br><br />
{{T|1411672|The Life & Times of Captain N.}}<br><br />
{{T|881765|The Life Eaters}}<br><br />
{{T|917437|The Life-Extension Revolution}}<br><br />
{{T|1303700|The Little Sister}}<br><br />
{{T|1102436|The Lives of Stars}}<br><br />
{{T|1067059|The Living Aura}}<br><br />
{{T|414051|The Lord of the Rings 1977 Calendar}}<br><br />
{{T|1145712|The Lyric Return}}<br><br />
{{T|1319616|The Mabinogion}}<br><br />
{{T|1243209|The Magazine of Fantasy & Science Fiction, April 2007}}<br><br />
{{T|1243205|The Magazine of Fantasy & Science Fiction, May 2007}}<br><br />
{{T|1074171|The Magic Machine}}<br><br />
{{T|1068441|The Magical Life of Long Tack Sam}}<br><br />
{{T|1095122|The Making of the Second Cold War}}<br><br />
{{T|1411669|The Man Who Dreamt of Lobsters}}<br><br />
{{T|1186888|The Man Who Ran the Moon}}<br><br />
{{T|882766|The Manchurian Candidate}}<br><br />
{{T|1242451|The Marilyn Tapes}}<br><br />
{{T|1051285|The Marsian}}<br><br />
{{T|1086410|The Marvel Comics Guide to New York City}}<br><br />
{{T|1152217|The Marvelous Land of Oz}}<br><br />
{{T|1235159|The Matter Myth}}<br><br />
{{T|1061137|The Medea Hypothesis}}<br><br />
{{T|166828|The Metabarons, 1: Path of the Warrior}}<br><br />
{{T|166829|The Metabarons, 2: Blood and Steel}}<br><br />
{{T|859644|The Mysterious Earth}}<br><br />
{{T|1160573|The Mystery of Bill Bamm's Golfman from Mabbil}}<br><br />
{{T|1160284|The Mystic Arts of Erasing All Signs of Death}}<br><br />
{{T|1319613|The Neustrian Cycle}}<br><br />
{{T|163308|The New Adventures of Abraham Lincoln}}<br><br />
{{T|1425882|The New Devil's Dictionary}}<br><br />
{{T|1225702|The New Worlds of Robert A. Heinlein: Expanded Universe}}<br><br />
{{T|1062534|The Next Book of Omni Games}}<br><br />
{{T|1035055|The Next Whole Earth Catalog}}<br><br />
{{T|1188500|The Night Sky}}<br><br />
{{T|1125030|The Night-Farers}}<br><br />
{{T|1065630|The Null-A Worlds of A. E. van Vogt}} = DONE<br><br />
{{T|1089601|The Occult}}<br><br />
{{T|830798|The Old Men at the Zoo}}<br><br />
{{T|1065625|The Once and Future Arthur}}<br><br />
{{T|1146966|The Orbit Poster Book}}<br><br />
{{T|1248986|The Other Side of the Mirror}}<br><br />
{{T|582541|The Painted Bird}}<br><br />
{{T|957114|The Phantom's Phantom}}<br><br />
{{T|850407|The Physicists}}<br><br />
{{T|1405847|The Picture of Dorian Gray and Other Fantastic Tales}}<br><br />
{{T|857296|The Piltdown Forgery}}<br><br />
{{T|754197|The Pocket Guide to the Underwater World}}<br><br />
{{T|944016|The Pogo Sunday Book}}<br><br />
{{T|1038459|The Politics of Energy}}<br><br />
{{T|838829|The Politics of Experience}}<br><br />
{{T|1083554|The Politics of Experience}}<br><br />
{{T|985607|The Power of Iron Man: The Enemy Within}}<br><br />
{{T|861922|The Privileged Ape: Cultural Capital in the Making of Man}}<br><br />
{{T|868500|The Proceedings: Chicon III}}<br><br />
{{T|928653|The Prospects of Nuclear Power and Technology}}<br><br />
{{T|1397566|The Psychic World}}<br><br />
{{T|1262731|The Purple Armchair}}<br><br />
{{T|1088698|The Pursuit of Destiny}}<br><br />
{{T|1008203|The Quacks of Helicon—A Satire}}<br><br />
{{T|1236294|The Questers: A Mystery Novel}}<br><br />
{{T|869532|The Ray Bradbury Review}}<br><br />
{{T|936924|The Real Book About Space Travel}}<br><br />
{{T|1449627|The Reception of H. G. Wells in Europe}}<br><br />
{{T|1314639|The Recluse, 1927}}<br><br />
{{T|915439|The Red Limit}}<br><br />
{{T|857509|The Relaxed Sell}}<br><br />
{{T|873222|The Remains of an Altar}}<br><br />
{{T|1072797|The Revenger's Tragedy}}<br><br />
{{T|609793|The Rhymes and Runes of the Toad}}<br><br />
{{T|1230758|The Rise and Fall of the Third Chimpanzee}}<br><br />
{{T|1243434|The Rise of Cromwell Jones}}<br><br />
{{T|1095550|The Russian Threat: Its Myths and Realities}}<br><br />
{{T|1161119|The Sandman: The Wake}}<br><br />
{{T|1394714|The Saviors}}<br><br />
{{T|812509|The Science Fiction Design Coloring Book}}<br><br />
{{T|819037|The Science Fiction Hall of Fame: Volume Two}}<br><br />
{{T|851209|The Science Fiction Professional-Seven Years of "Ask Bwana" Columns}}<br><br />
{{T|1102435|The Science of Fear}}<br><br />
{{T|1281773|The Scream Queen's Survival Guide}}<br><br />
{{T|1405842|The Screaming Skull and Other Classic Horror Stories}}<br><br />
{{T|1308408|The Second Book of Rimel}}<br><br />
{{T|1147075|The Second Oldest Profession}}<br><br />
{{T|931354|The Secret of the Hittites}}<br><br />
{{T|865092|The Secular Grail: Paradigms of Perception}}<br><br />
{{T|1023180|The Selected Short Stories of Robert Bloch}}<br><br />
{{T|1113470|The Selected Stories of Manly Wade Wellman}}<br><br />
{{T|1073637|The Sending}}<br><br />
{{T|1165757|The Seven Basic Plots: Why We Tell Stories}}<br><br />
{{T|1281157|The Seven Beauties of Science Fiction}} = DONE<br><br />
{{T|1411697|The Shark Invested Custard}}<br><br />
{{T|873505|The Short Fiction of Ambrose Bierce: A Comprehensive Edition}}<br><br />
{{T|1106631|The Shriek of Divinity}}<br><br />
{{T|1411675|The Shrine at Altamira}}<br><br />
{{T|1143828|The Skull of Agarash}}<br><br />
{{T|1068068|The Sorcerer Departs: Clark Ashton Smith (1893-1961)}}<br><br />
{{T|708489|The Sound of Wonder: Interviews from "The Science Fiction Radio Show", Volumes I and II}}<br><br />
{{T|755585|The Space Encyclopaedia: A Guide to Astronomy and Space Research}}<br><br />
{{T|1258078|The Space Encyclopedia}}<br><br />
{{T|1410834|The Space Novels of Jules Verne. Vol. One and Vol. Two}}<br><br />
{{T|1314207|The Spectre #1}}<br><br />
{{T|1249919|The Spiritual Meadow}}<br><br />
{{T|1069398|The State-of-the-Art Robot Catalog}}<br><br />
{{T|1162502|The Stephen King Quiz Book}}<br><br />
{{T|1140649|The Stephen King Quizbook}}<br><br />
{{T|879042|The Steranko History of Comics}}<br><br />
{{T|1072816|The Stranger}}<br><br />
{{T|855604|The Sun and the Earth as a Planet}}<br><br />
{{T|160394|The Tale of the Eternal Champion, Vol 2}}<br><br />
{{T|1072832|The Talented Mr. Ripley}}<br><br />
{{T|1066344|The Tangled Wing}}<br><br />
{{T|1135932|The Tasks of Tantalon}}<br><br />
{{T|1138216|The Tears of the Singers}}<br><br />
{{T|1113344|The Terror in the Night}}<br><br />
{{T|867421|The Testimony of the Spade}}<br><br />
{{T|859643|The Third Force}}<br><br />
{{T|1027629|The Third Mind}}<br><br />
{{T|938365|The Three Astronauts}}<br><br />
{{T|631177|The Time Machine & The War of the Worlds}}<br><br />
{{T|1135973|The Tolkien Calendar}}<br><br />
{{T|1411703|The Tome}}<br><br />
{{T|938268|The Town of a Magic Dream}}<br><br />
{{T|1257831|The Trembling Tower}}<br><br />
{{T|582433|The Trial}}<br><br />
{{T|1073570|The Trial}}<br><br />
{{T|1066923|The Tricentennial Report: Letters from America}}<br><br />
{{T|162148|The Trouble with Science}}<br><br />
{{T|166472|The Twilight Zone Scripts}}<br><br />
{{T|904462|The UFO Encyclopedia}}<br><br />
{{T|866504|The ULTIMATE Dangerous Visions}}<br><br />
{{T|923081|The Universe Next Door: The Making of Tomorrow's Science}}<br><br />
{{T|663489|The Universe We Live In}}<br><br />
{{T|1063691|The Untamed}}<br><br />
{{T|842098|The Velikovsky Affair}}<br><br />
{{T|1092461|The Velikovsky Affair}}<br><br />
{{T|1102858|The Vertical Plane}}<br><br />
{{T|1164211|The Vesuvius Club Graphic Edition}}<br><br />
{{T|1314737|The Vivisector}}<br><br />
{{T|161418|The Vonnegut Chronicles: Interviews and Essays (Edited by Peter J.Reed & Marc Leeds)}}<br><br />
{{T|1415599|The Voodoo Quantum Leap}}<br><br />
{{T|1282181|The Wake}}<br><br />
{{T|1314108|The Weirdbook Sampler}}<br><br />
{{T|1226174|The Wellsian}}<br><br />
{{T|1229272|The White Book}}<br><br />
{{T|166178|The Wide Window}}<br><br />
{{T|159430|The Wind After War}}<br><br />
{{T|1251967|The Winter Inside}}<br><br />
{{T|414031|The Witch Book}}<br><br />
{{T|1145713|The Wizard's Trade and Other Poems}}<br><br />
{{T|903313|The Works of Philip K. Dick}}<br><br />
{{T|615065|The Worlds of Fantasy Calendar 1976}}<br><br />
{{T|1160690|The X-Files: Dead to the World}}<br><br />
{{T|1149538|The XXXX Files}}<br><br />
{{T|1126524|The Yattering and Jack (Adapted by Steve Niles, Fred Burke, John Bolton, Hector Gomez)}}<br><br />
{{T|1249894|The Year's Best Science Fiction 2001}}<br><br />
{{T|938257|The Z Was Zapped}}<br><br />
{{T|1419255|The Zombie Combat Manual}}<br><br />
{{T|1230757|Theories of Everything}}<br><br />
{{T|927381|They Rode in Space Ships}}<br><br />
{{T|1405858|They That Dwell in Dark Places}}<br><br />
{{T|920726|They Walk Again}}<br><br />
{{T|1427193|This City is Alive}}<br><br />
{{T|776781|This New Ocean}}<br><br />
{{T|957501|Threat of the Atom War (Der Atomkrieg findet nicht statt)(German PR#21)}}<br><br />
{{T|601921|Three-Fisted Tales of "Bob"}}<br><br />
{{T|159508|Throat Sprockets}}<br><br />
{{T|1322834|Throne of Lies}}<br><br />
{{T|942822|Tides and the Pull of the Moon}}<br><br />
{{T|603449|Time Explorers, Inc.}}<br><br />
{{T|1144700|Titan: The Fighting Fantasy World}}<br><br />
{{T|1411693|To Die For}}<br><br />
{{T|1162493|To Speak for the Dead}}<br><br />
{{T|1314070|To the Recipient of This Volume}}<br><br />
{{T|1314605|To Yith and Beyond}}<br><br />
{{T|857515|Tomorrow Is Already Here}}<br><br />
{{T|874755|Towards a Unified Cosmology}}<br><br />
{{T|1203615|Tower in the Crooked Wood}}<br><br />
{{T|933184|Tracerlab (Catalog)}}<br><br />
{{T|582501|Track of the Cat}}<br><br />
{{T|194072|Transmetropolitan}}<br><br />
{{T|1095100|Traque-La-Mort}} = DONE<br><br />
{{T|1132233|Treasure}}<br><br />
{{T|1095610|Trident: Britain's Independent Arms Race}}<br><br />
{{T|1302452|Trillion Year Spree: A Review}}<br><br />
{{T|1419251|Trust Me}}<br><br />
{{T|920729|Try Another World}}<br><br />
{{T|1122863|Tune In for Pain}}<br><br />
{{T|343411|Turing and the Computer}}<br><br />
{{T|160328|Twelve}}<br><br />
{{T|1314201|Twentieth Century Literary Criticism 30}}<br><br />
{{T|1312886|Twentieth Century Literary Criticism, vol. 22}}<br><br />
{{T|1186693|Twentieth-Century American Science Fiction Writers: Dictionary of Literary Biography: Volume 8, Part 1 and 2}}<br><br />
{{T|1160617|Twister: The Screenplay}}<br><br />
{{T|1229676|Unbounding the Future}}<br><br />
{{T|1314959|Uncollected Prose and Poetry}}<br><br />
{{T|1314985|Uncollected Prose and Poetry II}}<br><br />
{{T|352161|Under Cover of Darkness}}<br><br />
{{T|1447149|Under the Moons of Mars}} = DONE<br><br />
{{T|1230806|Underworld}}<br><br />
{{T|865095|Unnatural History: True Manitoba Mysteries}}<br><br />
{{T|1078993|Unnnatural Acts}}<br><br />
{{T|1419252|Untcigahunk: The Complete Little Brothers}}<br><br />
{{T|1087969|Uranium and Atomic Power}}<br><br />
{{T|1074403|Vampires, Burial, and Death}}<br><br />
{{T|758781|Van Nostrand's Scientific Encyclopedia}}<br><br />
{{T|868452|Vanishing Life: The Mystery of Extinctions}}<br><br />
{{T|1226794|Vautours}} = DONE<br><br />
{{T|1089603|Velikovsky Reconsidered}}<br><br />
{{T|1051998|Venus Speaks}}<br><br />
{{T|1412426|Viking Expansion Westwards}}<br><br />
{{T|1411684|Vindication}}<br><br />
{{T|1411666|Violence}}<br><br />
{{T|462781|Viper Three}}<br><br />
{{T|1224597|Virgin Finlay Remembered}}<br><br />
{{T|1089473|Visions Calendar 1979}}<br><br />
{{T|1089371|Visions I}}<br><br />
{{T|166837|Voice from the Edge, Volume 1: I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream (Audio)}}<br><br />
{{T|166838|Voice from the Edge, Volume ?: Midnight in the Sunken Cathedral (Audio)}}<br><br />
{{T|836271|Volume Five}}<br><br />
{{T|161128|Volume One: The Collected Ellison}}<br><br />
{{T|1095093|Vue En Coupe D'Une Ville Malade}} = published by denoel, not yet entered<br><br />
{{T|1338616|Völker der Sonne}}<br><br />
{{T|1095548|War Plan UK}}<br><br />
{{T|1088208|War Stars: The Superweapon and the American Imagination}}<br><br />
{{T|1224103|War World: Discovery}}<br><br />
{{T|1135988|Watching the Watchmen}}<br><br />
{{T|864242|We Are Not the First}}<br><br />
{{T|194016|What Did Miss Darrington See?}}<br><br />
{{T|851195|What Does a Martian Look Like? The Science of Extraterrestrial Life}}<br><br />
{{T|1261567|What Technology Wants}}<br><br />
{{T|1296978|When the Killing's Done}}<br><br />
{{T|1331047|When the Music's Over}}<br><br />
{{T|873232|Where the Woodbine Twines}}<br><br />
{{T|1313314|Whipple V. Phillips and the Owyhee Land and Irrigation Company}}<br><br />
{{T|1148607|Who Goes There? The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe}}<br><br />
{{T|938570|Why There is No Arguing in Heaven}}<br><br />
{{T|1419199|Wicked Plants: The Weed That Killed Lincoln's Mother and Other Botanical Atrocities}}<br><br />
{{T|1182836|Wild Turkey}}<br><br />
{{T|1322847|Wine and Rank Poison}}<br><br />
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{{T|1120101|_Amazing_ Vol 50, Issue 1}}<br></div>DESiegel60https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Mhhutchins&diff=280239User talk:Mhhutchins2012-07-21T17:37:47Z<p>DESiegel60: /* Nongenre short fiction */ resp</p>
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The submission you have made would result in there being NO legal name. Not really sure if this is what you have intended, but since it is your name I would assume there is SOME legal version??!!¿¿ ;-) If Philip is not correct, then correct it... blanking the name seems to serve no purpose, or am I missing something? --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 03:07, 6 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Nope, that's fine, Bill. I'm still getting used to editing the info so it was a mistake. Everything is good now. Thanks! [[User:Pgiunta|Pgiunta]] 19:27, 6 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== [[Bio:Phil Giunta]] ==<br />
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I see you have created [[Bio:Phil Giunta]]. This is good, but a bio page is not the best way to list your work. It is better to create the appropriate publication records in the ISFDB proper.<br />
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For example, you mention "There Be In Dreams No War" which you say appeared in ''ReDeus: Divine Tales''. E\We don't have records for these, but they can be added, which would list the work on your author page, {{A|Phil Giunta}}, automatically. <br />
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I hope this is helpful. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 22:29, 19 July 2012 (UTC)</div>DESiegel60https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Author:Gavin_G._Smith&diff=279917Author:Gavin G. Smith2012-07-19T21:20:18Z<p>DESiegel60: New page: {{AuthorHeader}} <!-- DO NOT DELETE the above header template. It is used to link this page back to the author's database summary page. If you remove it, there will be no link. This me...</p>
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Source for Birthdate and birthplace: [http://www.gavingsmith.com/?page_id=2 author's web site]. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 21:20, 19 July 2012 (UTC)</div>DESiegel60https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:MLB&diff=279916User talk:MLB2012-07-19T21:12:06Z<p>DESiegel60: /* Reviews of books otherwise OUT */</p>
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