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Changes to user rights

Just to let you know that there was a discussion of the best way to handle inactive moderators over on ISFDB talk:Policy. The executive summary of the discussion is that a moderator who hasn't been active for a over a year will have a hard time keeping up with all the policy and software changes that we have been going through. ISFDB:Policy has been updated accordingly and, since you haven't been active since 2007, I have turned your "moderator" flag off, so when you come back, you won't be able to approve submissions. No need to panic, though :) as we have a list of Moderator Qualifications and you can reclaim the ability to approve submissions once you go through the process. Hope to see you again when you have time for the ISFDB! Ahasuerus 05:07, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Welcome Back!

I'm holding a few of your submissions for review.

1. There's one in which you wish to change this title from ANTHOLOGY to OMNIBUS. There was a discussion awhile back that the Tor Doubles were for the most part an anthology of two novellas, instead of an omnibus containing a novel. Yes, this is a subjective interpretation, but most of the Tor Doubles have been changed to anthologies. (I just checked and there are a few stragglers out there.)
2. Another submission wants to make The Furthest Horizon into a variant of The Furthest Horizon: SF Adventures to the Far Future. That first title only appears in an omnibus (Exploring the Horizons) of two anthologies, and I'll leave a note with the verifier of that omnibus to see how it's titled.
3. The last submission that I'm holding wants to remove the title record from the same omnibus. The only reason why it is visible in the omnibus is because the title record is mistakenly typed as an ANTHOLOGY. If you change that record to an OMNIBUS, it will no longer be visible in the list of contents (that's what we want.) I'm going to go ahead and reject this submission, then change the title record's type and you'll see what I mean.

Please let me know how you feel about the first submission, and I'll get back when I have the verifier check his copy of the second submission. Thanks. MHHutchins 19:53, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, I was wrong about the second submission. I just noticed the difference in the titles. Exploring the Horizons and Exploring Far Horizons. I'll go ahead and drop that title from the omnibus. Mea culpa. MHHutchins 19:56, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Just jumping in to say "Welcome back"! :-) Ahasuerus 23:08, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Oh, and "Welcome back!" from me too. BLongley 21:42, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

And welcome back from me too. -DES ^Talk 22:02, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

I approved the submission making The Furthest Horizon a variant title. That leaves the Tor Double. Let me know your feelings about rejecting it based on the current standards. Thanks. MHHutchins 02:24, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for the welcome. Having been booted from Wikipedia as "giant sockfarm" (!!!) and ending my previous job, I should appear here more consistently, though I can't be sure about how much time I'll be able to dedicate.

Re 1 - I see: my point was that Fritz Leiber had two Tor Doubles, one of them listed as Anthology and the other as Omnibus. Just my luck that I chose the wrong option to unify them - doubly wrong as I don't like the policy: While dos books may be closer in principle to anthologies than omnibuses from one viewpoint, their editor is anonymous and they don't fit well among the real anthologies the author in question edited. Oh well, democratic centralism; though I don't think I can make myself change the other Double into an anthology... :-)

As for Dozois (I did a slight check after discovering yesterday that he was born on the same day as my father), see my comments at Author:Gardner Dozois: there are some omnibus problems, also Prefaces to Explorers and Horizons remain as two unconnected variants, so verification of the SFBC volume would be nice.

See you - what's the English (or Russian, come to think of it) for "čest práci"? --JVjr 15:28, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Is there an English equivalent??? MHHutchins 15:46, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

"Čest práci" ("Honor the work") was a Czech greeting under Communism. Think "Heil Hitler!" without the warm and fuzzy connotations :) The English equivalent at the end of a post would be something like "[with warm] regards". The Russian equivalent, assuming we are limited to the Communist era, would be "s kommunisticheskim privetom" ("with Communist regards"). Ahasuerus 16:39, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

"Kind Regards" seems to be the most common English usage at the moment, IME, annoyingly abbreviated "kr" at times. It avoids the problem of deciding between "Yours Sincerely" or "Yours Faithfully" without descending into "k thx" with optional "bye". There is a level in between that will stop me assigning somebody to the "OMG! Native LOLcat speaker!" or the "you probably wrote this with a fountain pen before giving it to your secretary to convert to the new-fangled 'electronical mail'" category. It's amusing to watch in the meantime. BLongley 21:29, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

"Kind regards" is more common than "warm regards" on this side of the Atlantic as well, but in retrospect something like "keep up the good work" would have been even closer to the original meaning. And no need to floccinaucinihilipilificate leetspeak -- it may well be the lingua franca of the future! (Alas.) Ahasuerus 22:09, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

I see your point about dos publications. The consensus was to leave the Ace Doubles as omnibuses because many of the halves were subsequently published as individual novels. Most of the Tors were novella-length. The editor-less problem applies to both series, whether they be omnibus or anthology. So the authors of each half are assigned the "editor" credit. I'll reject the submission to change the Leiber/Anderson double to an omnibus. MHHutchins 15:46, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

I think there is a growing rebellion against anonymous/uncredited anthologies and multi-author omnibuses. For a couple of authors, it's not looked much of a problem - some of the "paranormal romance" ones seem to get up to four, and that's about the limit I'd accept: it seems they really do credit the authors on title-page. It's a weakness in our "title page trumps everything else" rule - what's our backup plan when the title page doesn't actually mention the editor or author? BLongley 21:41, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Concerning the note you left on the Dozois: the reason why the Good Stuff appear as "Fiction Series" instead of "Anthology Series" is because of the OMNIBUS type. The system places them under that series. Not sure exactly why, but I think it has something to do with an omnibus normally would contain a novel by a specific author (or authors), and this particular omnibus contains two anthologies. The database doesn't handle anthologies as contents very well.

By the way, what in the world is a "giant sockfarm"? MHHutchins 15:46, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Sock puppetry :) Ahasuerus 16:39, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

I still don't see a "sockfarm" clue. Let alone a "Giant" category. BLongley 21:41, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

A sockfarm, in wikipedia-speak, is a person or site who/which is running multiple accounts/identities (aka "sockpuppets") at once, while pretending that they are separate people. A "giant sockfarm" is one who is doing so on a particularly large scale. This is not a compliment. -DES ^Talk 22:02, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Startling Stories, September 1940

I had to reject the submission that wanted to merge two title records in this pub. You should first remove one of them (which you did on a subsequent submission). Then either merge the two records, or delete the one you removed. Thanks. MHHutchins 04:51, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Mountain Magic (Kuttner version)

I see that you would like to remove Henry Kuttner from the list of authors and change the title from Mountain Magic (Kuttner version) to simply Mountain Magic. Could you please clarify what you have in mind? Did you see the note in the Mountain Magic (Wellman version) title which explains:

Baen's Webscription ebook of a mmpb anth/omnibus: "Unfortunately the Kuttner estate does not allow publication of electronic versions of his works. So we had to remove all of the Kuttner stories from the WebScriptions version. In their place we've added Manly Wade Wellman's John the Balladeer stories.

? Ahasuerus 13:26, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

I have moved the submission to the "Rejected status" to clear the queue for now. The changes were:

Column 	Current [Record #153351] 	Proposed Changes
Title  	Mountain Magic (Kuttner version) 	Mountain Magic
Authors Ryk E. Spoor+Henry Kuttner+David Drake+Eric Flint 	Eric Flint+David Drake+Ryk E. Spoor 

Ahasuerus 02:19, 7 September 2009 (UTC)