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Anthologies and collections
Hello,
In ISFDB, we separate the two based on authors:
- One author (or the same team of authors in each story): collection
- Multiple authors - anthology.
So this is a collection for us - as all stories are written by the same author, regardless of how external parties call it. Let me know if you have any questions. Annie 10:44, 1 March 2022 (EST)
- Understood. Thank you. --Ir'revrykal 11:20, 1 March 2022 (EST)
- Thanks for the update though - I did add the link to the book (as you dug it out anyway) :) Annie 11:23, 1 March 2022 (EST)
- Re: Trial by Blood, this title is a collection in itself (i.e. a collection of several short stories by the same author) that is in turn part of other collections/omnibuses, such as Flesh Tearers and Sons of Sanguinius. I wanted to change the publication type of Trial by Blood so I could add/import the short stories it contains. --Ir'revrykal 14:09, 1 March 2022 (EST)
- So there is no short story called "Trial by Blood"? Annie 14:31, 1 March 2022 (EST)
- Correct. That's what I wanted to change. The collection uses a frame story titled "The Trial of Gabriel Seth"; perhaps this is the cause of the confusion in the original record. See the content preview of Sons of Sanguinius here (Amazon) and the entry for Trial by Blood at Goodreads (click "more"). --Ir'revrykal 14:40, 1 March 2022 (EST)
- That's a bit more complicated - you cannot have a collection inside of another collection. So we have two options:
- Turn the publication into an omnibus and this title a collection and add the missing stories into the omnibus. That requires that collection to have been published on its own though technically speaking (We have some leeway though - but if you are looking for a way to indicate that these belong into the collection, that won't happen UNLESS there is a publication of that collection individually). Which I am not sure had happened?
- Just remove that entry altogether/change it to the first of the stories that we are missing and add the missing stories; then once improved import the same stories to the other book. You can add a note in the publications notes explaining that these are inside of the same frame story (or whatever the situation is).
- Let me know what you want to do and if you want to try (I can answer any questions on how)? I'd go with option 2 if the collection was never published on its own but... Annie 14:58, 1 March 2022 (EST)
- The collection Trial by Blood has been published individually as a hardcover (ISBN 9781849709286). Black Library seems to be fond of republishing entire anthologies/collections in their omnibuses... unfortunately. This being the case, and if I understand you correctly, that means option #1 is likely the most precise choice. Here is my suggestion (although my understanding of ISFDB is admittedly limited, so do let me know if something isn't quite right):
- Delete the shortfiction Trial by Blood (no such short story exists).
- Re-create Trial by Blood as a collection, adding/importing all the short stories in the process.
- Import the new collection to the Sons of Sanguinius omnibus.
- Would that work? --Ir'revrykal 15:10, 1 March 2022 (EST)
- Yep, as it exists on its own, Option 1 above is the better way. Your plan is ok except that you will need to do the import in 2 steps - the collection title itself will not get added when importing the contents. :) So let's work on that. Submit the missing collection first and convert the collection we started with into an omnibus and remove the story that does not exist (using Remove Title). These can go in parallel. Once these are approved, you can do the double import - once to import the collection title (via Option 2 on the Import screen) and once to import the stories under it (Option 1) into the titles which contain that collection. Annie 15:15, 1 March 2022 (EST)
- Alright, I've submitted the hardcover publication of Trial by Blood (ebook version to follow). I've hit one snag in that I cannot update the publication type of Flesh Tearers to omnibus (since it does not contain a "a NOVEL, ANTHOLOGY, COLLECTION, or NONFICTION" yet, I suppose). --Ir'revrykal 16:16, 1 March 2022 (EST)
- Oh yes - forgot about that, sorry - one of our protection checks. I will look at the submission as soon as I finish what I am doing now. Annie 16:20, 1 March 2022 (EST)
- Approved. One question though. You have the date as "2014-11-01". Your only source has it as "November 14th 2014" aka 2014-11-14. You either need to add a new source for that date OR to explain the discrepancy in your notes. I can see that the ebook is from 2014-11-07. That would mean that the TITLES need to carry that date but the hardcover book should be following your source. Let me know if that makes sense. Also - in cases like that, it is a better idea to start with the earliest format. Then the stories will carry its date - so you do not need to redate. Annie 16:31, 1 March 2022 (EST)
- Right. That's my bad, I simply misunderstood the Goodreads date information (I do wonder where they got the date for "first published" from, though). I'll change it to the 14th. And your point re: title dating is noted and understood. :) --Ir'revrykal 16:36, 1 March 2022 (EST)
- Also, would the short stories not automatically have their dates updated once I imported them to the ebook publication? --Ir'revrykal 16:37, 1 March 2022 (EST)
- Alright, I've submitted the hardcover publication of Trial by Blood (ebook version to follow). I've hit one snag in that I cannot update the publication type of Flesh Tearers to omnibus (since it does not contain a "a NOVEL, ANTHOLOGY, COLLECTION, or NONFICTION" yet, I suppose). --Ir'revrykal 16:16, 1 March 2022 (EST)
- Yep, as it exists on its own, Option 1 above is the better way. Your plan is ok except that you will need to do the import in 2 steps - the collection title itself will not get added when importing the contents. :) So let's work on that. Submit the missing collection first and convert the collection we started with into an omnibus and remove the story that does not exist (using Remove Title). These can go in parallel. Once these are approved, you can do the double import - once to import the collection title (via Option 2 on the Import screen) and once to import the stories under it (Option 1) into the titles which contain that collection. Annie 15:15, 1 March 2022 (EST)
- The collection Trial by Blood has been published individually as a hardcover (ISBN 9781849709286). Black Library seems to be fond of republishing entire anthologies/collections in their omnibuses... unfortunately. This being the case, and if I understand you correctly, that means option #1 is likely the most precise choice. Here is my suggestion (although my understanding of ISFDB is admittedly limited, so do let me know if something isn't quite right):
- That's a bit more complicated - you cannot have a collection inside of another collection. So we have two options:
- Correct. That's what I wanted to change. The collection uses a frame story titled "The Trial of Gabriel Seth"; perhaps this is the cause of the confusion in the original record. See the content preview of Sons of Sanguinius here (Amazon) and the entry for Trial by Blood at Goodreads (click "more"). --Ir'revrykal 14:40, 1 March 2022 (EST)
- So there is no short story called "Trial by Blood"? Annie 14:31, 1 March 2022 (EST)
- Re: Trial by Blood, this title is a collection in itself (i.e. a collection of several short stories by the same author) that is in turn part of other collections/omnibuses, such as Flesh Tearers and Sons of Sanguinius. I wanted to change the publication type of Trial by Blood so I could add/import the short stories it contains. --Ir'revrykal 14:09, 1 March 2022 (EST)
- Thanks for the update though - I did add the link to the book (as you dug it out anyway) :) Annie 11:23, 1 March 2022 (EST)
Adding preexisting stories
When we already have the stories in the DB, you can import them instead of adding them. When you add, you create new entries - which need to be merged later (I did that in "The Uriel Ventris Chronicles: Volume Two". The Import menu is on the left menu on each publication.
One more trick: when you know the order of stories/novels, you can use piped numbering to order them without specifying pages. See how I did it here :) Let me know if you have any questions and thanks for updating these. If you are Warhammer 40,000/ Warhammer fan, there is quite a lot of work to be done on that series if you are in the mood to work on them :) Annie 11:32, 1 March 2022 (EST)
- Both useful tips. I will try the import function next time. I've been compiling information on Warhammer releases for my own personal research, leaning heavily on ISFDB in particular. I noticed a few errors here and there, hence my registering an account. I will most definitely be continuing to make small adjustments as I keep learning the ropes. Thank you for your help. --Ir'revrykal 11:46, 1 March 2022 (EST)
- Any and all help is greatly appreciated. It is a volunteer run project and mistakes happen no matter how careful we are. :) Annie 12:01, 1 March 2022 (EST)
Fear of the Dark
Hello,
The link to the story goes better with the story record (so I moved it there). Not sure which of the subseries the story belongs to so I will leave you to add it where it belongs. The end result of the book is here. Thanks for adding it. Annie 11:37, 1 March 2022 (EST)
- I see. Sorry about that, I am still figuring out the order in which information is added. --Ir'revrykal 11:42, 1 March 2022 (EST)
- No worries at all - there was no way to put it on the story until the story was added anyway - so this was more of a "just so you know where it went and why I moved it" :) Annie 11:59, 1 March 2022 (EST)