User talk:Aledownload

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Hello, Aledownload, and welcome to the ISFDB Wiki! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

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Una nuova speranza

Hello. I've approved your varianting of the Italian Star Wars to the original. However, there is no publication associated with it and will therefore likely be removed again as it is missing the info of the book proper. Do note that standard way of entering a publication is selecting either Add a New Novel (or other publication type), or Clone This Publication (when on a publication's page) from the left-hand menu. Since you only have the title, to add the publication you can select the title and then add the publication information by selecting Add Publication to this Title. Let me know if anything's not clear, either by replying to this message (the Edit at the right), or ask questions over at the Help Desk forum. Do read through the help text - links available in the Welcome message above. The ISFDB needs some learning :) Again, Welcome! MagicUnk 13:32, 17 May 2020 (EDT)

@MagicUnk, excuse me. That was only published, as far as I know, as part of an omnibus. But, when I try to create a publication page, "Novel" shows up as by default. What should I do? --Aledownload 15:15, 17 May 2020 (EDT).

Ah, if that's the case, you should create a publication record for the omnibus, and list the tiles in the contents section. Once done and the submission approved, the title cn be merged with your original submission. MagicUnk 01:44, 18 May 2020 (EDT)

Okay, thank you very much! --Aledownload 02:41, 18 May 2020 (EDT)

Hello, it's me again. I'm afraid your title has been removed in the meantime. So, let me summarize what the best way to add a new title is. If, for example, you want to add a book, you would enter a new publication (which can be an omnibus) from the left-hand menu. Now, as part of this submission, you'll also enter the title of the work too (which, for an omnibus, requires additionally adding the individual titles that comprise the omnibus in the Contents section of the data entry form). Once this new publication submission is approved by a moderator, you will be able to go to the individual title records by clicking on them, and adding/modifying as necessary. Doing it the other way around (ie only entering a title), will leave you with a title record without publication (this is equivalent to have a title that never got published - it could as well have never existed, and thus will be removed rather sooner than later). Hope this clears it up a bit.
And by the way, you can indent by using one or more colons ':' MagicUnk 14:45, 18 May 2020 (EDT)

Star Wars: the original trilogy

I approved you submission for this pub, but deleted the cover image. ISFDB does not have permission to use images from that site. If you wish, you can request such permission from that site for the ISFDB, then use the image. Bob 15:34, 20 May 2020 (EDT)

Hello. Wanted to let you know that I disambiguated the introductions to each novel (assuming that that is what you wanted to do). If an author has multiple identical titles that represent different contents, then a disambiguator needs to be added in parenthesis. If not done, then the duplicate titles will be removed, because there is no way to distinguish between them.
Also, it is good practice to add an ordering to the titles in the Contents section by using the piping symbol (|), which I've done for you too.
Finally, the only thing left to do is to variant the Italian titles to the original English titles - you can do that by selecting Make this title a variant from the menu on the left-hand site, as well as uploading a cover scan by clicking on Upload cover scan on the publication page. If it's not clear, do not hesitate to ask. We'll be monitoring your talk page. Succes! MagicUnk 19:18, 20 May 2020 (EDT)
I noticed two additional minor errors, which I've also corrected: there is no space between the currency and the value, and, decimal separator is '.', not ','. I've changed € 25,00 to €25.00.
I've also replaced the period '.' in the title with a colon ':', as that's the standard separator that has to be used to separate title: subtitle. MagicUnk 19:23, 20 May 2020 (EDT)

Thank you, I'll make them variants right now.

Hello, sorry to again ask for advice and help, but, the omnibus only mentions George Lucas, and not Alan Dean Foster, how do I do that "[as by George Lucas]" thing? --Aledownload 15:00, 28 May 2020 (EDT)

Just remove the name of Alan Dean Foster from the publication and title record and you will be all set. As it is multiple authors omnibus, you will not get "[as by George Lucas]" exactly but a longer string -- but it will have the same effect. It will happen automatically from the varianting once you clean the name from the Italian book.
So go to the book. Click on edit in the top right corner, it will open this. You will see the name of Foster in three places - on the publication and on the title level of the omnibus and on the novel record (when you create, we create two separate records for books; once created they need to be updated separately). Remove the name from any place that has the name now but is not credited in the book. Submit and when approved, it will look better :)
Let me know if any other assistance is needed :) Annie 15:28, 28 May 2020 (EDT)

Lo Hobbit

Hello. Thank you for your submission! I have a question (and a bit of advice ;):

  • Can you tell me what the actual size of the book is? If it's larger than 18 by 11 cm it should be tp, not pb
  • A white space between author's initials is required. So it should have been J. R. R. Tolkien, instead of J.R.R. Tolkien. I've updated that for you.
  • I've also varianted the title to the original so that it correctly appears as a translation.
  • Also, no space between € and price (I've updated from € 11.00 to €11.00)
  • Finally, I've moved the text in the title record from the Synopsis to the Note field, and added the tr-template.

Regards, MagicUnk 11:48, 24 August 2020 (EDT)

Hi, thank you for the corrections. I don't have the book available in this moment, but it should not be a TP. Also, just to let you know, I am going to add the annotated edition (the one by Anderson), which is the only other variant I have. There are also a hardback edition and a PB edition with different illustrations, by Jemima Caitlin rather than Alan Lee. I think I read that I cannot confirm data about books I don't own, though, right? --Aledownload 10:05, 29 August 2020 (EDT)

Hello. So I infer from your answer that it is fairly certain that the pub is smaller than 11x18, yes? And indeed, you should not confirm (or primary verify) data for a book that you do not have in hand. Note that you do not have to own a book to be able to verify it - it is enough that you have it before you to be able to verify. If you have it only temporarily in front of you, then you can transiently verify the book. Hope that is clear. PS. do use colons ':' to indent your reply. That's easier to read :) Regards, MagicUnk 11:27, 31 August 2020 (EDT)
The Book. OCLC has the book at 20 cm. The publisher site (2012 edition with the same ISBN and same number of pages essentially) has it as 198 cm. This means tp in the DB unless this is a special "smaller" edition?
Don't think of tp as a classical "trade paperback" aka a better quality paperback. "pb" is for American-sized mass market paperbacks basically. So most non-US originating modern books will be "tp" - we assign pb/tp based on size only, not based on quality of paper and/or printing. Annie 13:34, 31 August 2020 (EDT)
Okay, I guess that's right. --Aledownload 06:36, 3 September 2020 (EDT).

Hello, I have noticed (just as I thought) that an article for Alan Lee's cover does already exist, how do I merge the one for the Italian publication with the general one? I suppose that I am not supposed to just make that a variant, am I? --Aledownload 03:26, 16 October 2020 (EDT).

Yep, you variant them the same way we varianted the novel itself. Find the ID of the original cover and then go to the Italian one and use "Make This Title a Variant". We variant titles when there is a difference in language, title or author form -- in this case it is the title and language which are different - so variant it is. :) Annie 03:41, 16 October 2020 (EDT)
Okay, thanks. --Aledownload 03:42, 16 October 2020 (EDT).

Varianting

Hi, the standard procedure with varianting is that you first enter the variant, and then submit a proposal to let it be varianted against an original. I just approved a proposal of yours where you created a variant from the original which is then not connected to a publication. I took the liberty to place it where I hope it belongs, feel free to correct me.--Dirk P Broer 10:18, 27 February 2021 (EST)

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