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Title changes in Contents

Dave, I currently have your update for The Stardust Voyages and the related publication delete on hold while I think about this. The problem is you made changes to the titles in the contents list to match what's in your copy of the book. The problem this creates is the title records are shared by other publications. For example, Birds Fly South in Winter is in both The Stardust Voyages and Galaxy Science Fiction, Nov/Dec 1971. If you change the title wording to fix The Stardust Voyages it will break the listing for Galaxy Science Fiction. Some stories, such as A Star Called Cyrene already had their own (non-shared) title record meaning that one would be safe to edit. Anyway, I need to think about the best way to proceed with this update.

BTW - I noticed with many of the titles you changed them by adding a date, such as "(A.D. 2117)" to the end. Is this part of the actual story title? Marc Kupper 23:15, 3 Jan 2007 (CST)

The dates were included in the titles in the copy I have. It seemed safe (apparently not) to include them. They may have been added to provide continuity; since, otherwise there really weren't any text bridges between the stories. It only makes sense (in retrospect) for a collection. Live and learn... I'm still relatively new at this. Hope I don't screw up more than "average".

Dave Sorgen 19:45, 4 Jan 07 (CST).

Thank you Dave. If you want to take a shot at fixing the titles here's the procedure.
  • Edit the publication
    • Count the number of titles you need to change and hit [Add Title] (at the bottom of the contents list) that many times.
    • For each title copy/paste the old data from the existing to the new/blank rows. You will need to copy/paste all of the pages numbers, titles, authors, dates, type, length, etc. At least you are lucky it’s a collection and you can just paste the author name a bunch of times.
    • Correct the new rows (changing title, author name, etc.) as needed. Do not make any changes to the old rows.
    • You may want to write a note to the moderator in the Notes field explaining what you are doing so they won’t wonder too much about what looks like a strange update.
    • Save the publication
  • Go back to the publication record (you don’t need to wait for the approval of the publication edit) and click “Remove titles from this pub” on the left sidebar.
    • Check each of the titles that you modified and then click [Submit Data].
  • Once the original publication update is approved then for each of the new titles search for it using Advanced Search in the Title Search section.
    • If one or more of your titles has more than one record then stare at them carefully and if they seem exactly the same then check those lines and click [Merge Selected Records]. See Help:How_to_merge_titles for more information about merging.
As you can see – the process is painful for now. There is some discussion for changes to help automate this
re: the social protocol for sending messages – What you did is fine. I tend to post questions in the ISFDB:Community_Portal as then the resulting thread stays in one place and is likely to be visible to more people rather than hopping back and forth between individual user pages. Marc Kupper 04:30, 5 Jan 2007 (CST)

A Hole in Space

Dave, I see you're adding content to this publication. There's nothing wrong with your submission, but I thought I might be able to save you a bit of work here. Two of the other three publications of this already have contents -- e.g. this one. If you display that one, choose "Clone Publication", you can create a new one with a lot less effort. The biggest time saving is in the short stories, though, and I'll explain why.

With the new stories you entered, the ISFDB doesn't know that these are the same stories as in the other publications. That means that after the submission is approved, you would have to go through Niven's stories and find the two copies of each short story title, and merge them together. You would do this by going to Niven's bibliography and choosing "Titles"; then you get a "Merge" button at the bottom of the page.

However, if you use the "Clone Publication" approach, you don't have to do this step -- cloning a publication assumes that every story (or essay) in the book is to be merged with the existing versions in the other publications of that book. The ISFDB will automatically merge all of them for you.

This doesn't always get you everything you want. For example, suppose one of the stories in your copy has a slightly different title. Maybe the existing publication has "$16,940.00" but yours is "$16,940". Then you would need to "Remove Title from Publication" after cloning, since the clone would create the wrong title. Then you could use the "Edit Pub" screen to add in the correct version of the title, and finally make that a variant of the original title. Still, cloning is almost always easier.

I've left your submission in the queue and will wait to hear from you what you want to do -- I'll approve it if you like, and you can manually merge the titles; or you can go ahead and clone and recreate the existing publication, and then delete the current version of the publication that's out there (since the clone will create a fresh copy of that publication).

I hope that helps. Let me know if anything isn't clear. Mike Christie (talk) 19:36, 14 Jan 2007 (CST)

Dave, I also held the last two subs -- the Nourse and the Haldeman -- for the same reason. Again, just let me know how you'd like to proceed. Mike Christie (talk) 19:39, 14 Jan 2007 (CST)
And also "The Barbie Murders". Mike Christie (talk) 15:49, 15 Jan 2007 (CST)
Hmmm... Looks like they all disappeared (I'm not the fastest worker in the world). Were they processed or dumped. I don't have the copies anymore, gave them away. I think I'm finally getting a handle on the "conversational process" here. Peculiar, but it works (sorta)... --Dsorgen 22:29, 22 Jan 2007 (CST)
Sorry, I should have posted a note here - I went ahead and approved them, since they were legal, and I wasn't sure if you were going to see my response. If you take a look at the publications, you'll find the ones you entered are there; the titles of the short stories probably still need to be merged, unless someone else has gotten to it. Thanks -- Mike Christie (talk) 22:46, 22 Jan 2007 (CST)

A couple more notes on recent submissions

Dave, two things I noticed in some of your recent submissions. One is you've been deleting the "jvn" that is found in some of the Story Length fields. In fact this is intended to be there; I just realized it's not documented properly. That field is overloaded to mean several different things, and I'll change the help text to explain it. The "jvn" is short for "juvenile novel". You may also see "nvz" (I think) that means "novelization". I've approved your subs and put the "jvn" back in, but I wanted to let you know about it.

The other thing is that a couple of your entries have mentioned "data taken from <later> printing". Later printings do have useful information about earlier printings, but I wanted to make sure you understood that we do want to get a record of every single printing. So if you have a seventh printing, we would like to capture it, with its own publication date, in addition to using it as a data source to capture information about earlier printings. For some popular books such as "Dune" this leads to a great many publication records; that is the intention, though. Thanks -- Mike Christie (talk) 21:59, 15 Jan 2007 (CST)

Citizen of the Galaxy

Dave, I approved your addition of Citizen of the Galaxy but am puzzled by the ISBN. Most Ace SBNs and ISBNs start with 441 or 0-441 while you have 447 which I had never seen for an Ace publication before. Could you please double-check this? Thanks. Marc Kupper 00:19, 17 Jan 2007 (CST)

The "7" should probably be a "1". You have more experience in this area than I do. There was a nasty crease in the spine of the book. The result: the top of the "1" was stretched/flattened into an apparent "7". All the other digits were easily readable. Had to squint at that one. Sorry for the mistake. The next time I can't read it CLEARLY, it doesn't go on record.
I'll adjust this one accordingly. Dave Sorgen 21:05, 17 Jan 07
Thank you Dave. Usually when I can't quite squint something out I make notes on what data is available and/or will see if I can find the missing data on line. For example, I had a book where a former bookseller had wiped out the original price with a marker pen. I found a cover image on line and decided that the barely legible digits in my copy matched the on-line image and so went with that along with a note that the price was not legible but that it appeared to be $2.95.
Note - it's easier if you reply to things on your own talk page. What I do is to monitor Special:Recentchanges for pages on my watch list. When I post to an page such as yours mediawiki automatically adds the page to my watch list and shows up on Special:Recentchanges in bold. Once I no longer have a reason to watch your page (I don't have any pending conversations/issues) I'll unwatch the page.
Also, it looks like your signature is set to [[Dsorgen| Dave Sorgen]] and it should be [[User:Dsorgen|Dave Sorgen]]. Marc Kupper 21:39, 17 Jan 2007 (CST)

Artist Roles

I like what you did with cover artist roles for The Snow Queen but unfortunately the idea does not work at present. For now I have been dealing with situations like this by adding the cover designer to the publication's notes. I went ahead and fixed the publication for now but also will file a feature request. Marc Kupper 00:26, 17 Jan 2007 (CST)

Dropped jvn explained

Dave - please see User_talk:Mike_Christie#Re:_recent_edits_.28a_little_late.29 --Marc Kupper 01:44, 18 Jan 2007 (CST)

Removing titles from a publication

You had asked: Moderator --> the four unpaginated items need to be removed from this version of the pub. What's the "easy" way?

From the publication use "Remove Titles From This Pub" in the left navbar. In fact, for now, that's also how you change the titles in a publication in that you do a "remove titles" and then "add titles" (on the edit-pub screen) with the correct data. There is a pending add-feature request to allow editors to be able to just change a title in the contents and ISFDB will silently do the remove/add so that the original title record that's shared with other publications does not get modified. --Marc Kupper 21:20, 18 Jan 2007 (CST)

Return to a held edit for Tall's "Stardust Voyages"

I replied to this on ISFDB:Community_Portal#Return_to_a_held_edit_for_Tall.27s_.22Stardust_Voyages.22 as it may result in policy clarification. Marc Kupper (talk) 16:57, 17 Mar 2007 (CDT)

The Best of Thomas N. Scortia

You submitted an update to 35890 The Best of Thomas N. Scortia where for the story The Stunning Science Fiction Caper you wanted to change the author from Gerald Macdow to "Thomas N. Scortia (as by Gerald Macdow)." I'm not sure what you are trying to get ISFDB to show. The publication currently shows this as

  • 118 • The Stunning Science Fiction Caper • (1957) • shortfiction by Thomas N. Scortia [as by Gerald Macdow ]

This means that in the publication the author is shown as Gerald Macdow and in ISFDB we show that Gerald Macdow is a pseudonym of Thomas N. Scortia. For a while I advocated having ISFDN display

  • 118 • The Stunning Science Fiction Caper • (1957) • shortfiction by Gerald Macdow (pseudonym for Thomas N. Scortia)

but apparently the format ISFDB uses is more familiar to bibliographers. Marc Kupper (talk) 22:43, 28 Mar 2007 (CDT)

Wilhelm's Children of the Wind

When you updated this publication, you changed the space provided for the title record (Children of the Wind: COLLECTION) into a content record (Children of the Wind: SHORTFICTION). This would remove the title record, creating a stray publication. When adding contents, do not change the first record. Start by clicking "Add Title" and continue from there. Thanks. Mhhutchins 21:08, 28 Jun 2007 (CDT)

This publication was listed as a novel(incorrectly) so i changed it to a collection this should make entering the short stories easier. The first entry type is Anthology change this to Shortfiction when adding the titles. Hope this helps.Kraang 21:30, 28 Jun 2007 (CDT)
Yes, it's listed as a collection now (thanks Kraang). When Dsorgen made his edit, perhaps he thought it would save time since both had the same title. He changed the first content field from COLLECTION to SHORTFICTION. As Kraang said, now that it's a collection, you can add contents from the first field. Mhhutchins 21:52, 28 Jun 2007 (CDT)

Green Eyes

Dave the $2.95 price would be right for this Ace publication. Yours would appear to be a later printing. The best way to deal with this is to use the "clone this pub" in the edit box. This way you can add the date, price and artists without changing an existing publication. Also if the book only gives the 1st printing date and it just says 2nd printing(but no exact date) or a number line 2 3 4 for example than you enter the date as 0000-00-00 and put into the note section something like (Stated 2nd printing of 1984 Ace ed) or (Stated 2nd printing(per number line) of 1984 ace ed) as an example. Thanks for editing.Kraang 22:10, 1 Jul 2007 (CDT)

Expedition to Earth

Dave could you have a second look at this [1] and see if you missed any short stories. An easier way to do this would be to see if any of the other publications had the same content as yours than use the "Clone this pub" in the edit tools box, this way the titles get merged automaticaly. You can then change all the publication information to match your copy without changing any other pub in the db. But with the clone you can't change contents(titles & authors) just the page counts and story type. Thanks :-)Kraang 22:27, 3 Jul 2007 (CDT)

Leinster's "Exploration Team"/"Combat Team"

I have approved and massaged the Leinster collection that you submitted the other day. One thing that you may want to look into is the way the ISFDB software handles changes to magazines', collections' and anthologies' Contents section. Basically, any changes you make to individual stories in a collection will immediately affect all appearances of that story everywhere in the database. This is true with respect to stories' titles, authors, and dates. So when you wanted to change "Combat Team" to "Exploration Team", it would have changed the title everywhere else, effectively eliminating "Combat Team" from the database. Please take a look at Help:How to change a story in a collection for a more gentle way of handling these cases when you get a chance :) Thanks! Ahasuerus 13:28, 4 Jul 2007 (CDT)


Dave it looks like you used the Canadian price on the back cover. The preferred price would be the GB pound price. If you leave me the pound price i can update you submission. Thanks!Kraang 20:06, 4 Jul 2007 (CDT)

The Languages of Pao

Hi Dave, I've already approved this New Pub, but when ever you add a Serial Number into the ISBN/Catalog # field, you must always put a "#" before any non 10 digit ISBN or the db will think that it is an ISBN and flag it as an incorrect ISBN. I have already taken care of adding in the "#", thanks for editing! CoachPaul 23:09, 7 Jul 2007 (CDT)

Thief of Time by Terry Pratchett

I approved this pub you submitted even though it had an ISBN that was 11 digits long. I tried removing one of the two "0"s that you had at the begining of the ISBN, but that gave me a "Bad Checksum" error which you will see if you go to the pub. Could you please recheck the ISBN on your pub and correct it when you get the chance. Thanks. CoachPaul 23:16, 7 Jul 2007 (CDT)

You're welcome. As a point of note, if I leave you a message here, you can just answer me here, as I tend to not only watch the Talk Pages of all the active mods and editors, but will most closly watch the Talk Page of any editor to whom I have just sent a message. CoachPaul 23:35, 7 Jul 2007 (CDT)

The Commodore at Sea / Spartan Planet

Your submission of this title is almost identical to a pub already in the database. Except for one number in the ISBN (and the lack of a date), they appear to be the same pub. I'll keep your submission on hold until I hear back from you. Mhhutchins 15:08, 8 Jul 2007 (CDT)

The difference in the two pubs was ONLY in the ISBN. I don't know if the old entry is correct. The one I submitted is correct as printed on the book cover (I checked it several times to be sure my eyes were reading it properly). Don't know if it's a new pub, ISBN correction or ISBN goof.

--Dsorgen 16:01, 8 Jul 2007 (CDT)

I checked the ISBN that you provided, and it turned out to be an invalid number. Maybe the ISBN of the original submission was changed into a valid ISBN (without noting the invalid number). Because you can verify that the invalid number is the actual one printed on the book, I'll place a note to that affect on the record. Thanks. Mhhutchins 18:24, 8 Jul 2007 (CDT)

Adam Link - Robot

Every reference to this book that I have found on the web lists it as a Collection with the short stories in it that you want to remove. Why do you want to change it to a Novel? CoachPaul 10:06, 9 Jul 2007 (CDT)

It looks like Dave is following up on this discussion :) Ahasuerus 11:30, 9 Jul 2007 (CDT)
OK, I went ahead and approved the edits but they changed the 1965 version to a novel and I see no sign of the 1974 version anywhere. Was the plan to make the 1974 version a novel while keeping the 1965 version a collection, or to turn them all into novels? CoachPaul 11:55, 9 Jul 2007 (CDT)
There, I think everything is done. I hope in the correct order. Sorry for the delay. The third printing of the book makes it clear (by labeling all the "stories" as chapters with titles) that this is a novel, not a collection. It may be a fix-up, but there it is. This seems to be a common problem with a buncha books. Sigh... Regards.
--Dsorgen 20:31, 25 Jul 2007 (CDT)
Oh yes, it is indeed a common problem. We have been thinking about adding a new type of "contents" entries that would list the stories that a novel is based on, but it's just a thought at this point. Ahasuerus 00:38, 26 Jul 2007 (CDT)

Tranvergence / Charles Sheffield

Don i've deleted the duplicate publication and updated the publication with your data. These types of double entries are more complicated to sort out(more than one step involved). Your second submission would not work because of the changes made by the deletion. If you find anymore like this point them out to one of the moderators and we can delete them quicker.Thanks :-)Kraang 23:02, 9 Jul 2007 (CDT)

Psychotechnic League

A couple of comments about the Psychotechnic League submission, which I currently have on hold. We already have the 1981 printing of this book entered, so it would be easier to use Clone Publication option rather than the Add Publication option. When you use the Clone option on a collection/anthology, all stories/essays are carried over, so you don't have to Merge anything after the fact. In addition, Cloning minimizes the probability of typos sneaking in, which is liable to happen at some point, e.g. this submission had two. (I know, I know, it was late :-).

Also, in your submission you wanted to change the Publication type from NOVEL to COLLECTION -- which is correct -- but you also wanted to overwrite the Collection title record in the Contents section with Sandra Miesel's foreword. That would have been an issue because a "Collection type" Publication has to contain a "Collection type" Title, otherwise the association between the two will be lost and they will not appear on each other's biblio pages.

Would you like me to approve this submission and then massage the data after the fact or would you like to create a new submission using Clone Publication for the sake of practice?

Thanks for editing! Ahasuerus 00:36, 11 Jul 2007 (CDT)

I went ahead and cloned a pre-existing Publication record for this collection, then added the page numbers and other printing-specific information from your submission. Finally, I rejected the original submission since it would have caused problems with the Collection Title record as per the discussion above. Could you please double check the end result to make sure that everything looks right?
Also, after massaging various Publication records for this collection, I realized that we have two Publications records that claim to represent the third printing of this book, the February 1985 Tor printing that you entered and a December 1982 Tor printing. Could you please check the date and the printing number in your copy? Thanks! Ahasuerus 13:35, 15 Jul 2007 (CDT)
OK, here's what I found: There are three printings listed on the copyright page of this book. They are:
  • First printing, June 1981
  • Second printing, September 1981
  • Third printing, February 1985
The last entry is the one I referenced and would seem to invalidate the 1982 entry. Who knows?
Regards: --Dsorgen 20:41, 19 Jul 2007 (CDT)
Thanks, I will zap the 1982 Publication record. If and when we run into one, we can always add it back in :) Ahasuerus 00:12, 20 Jul 2007 (CDT)

The Best of Raymond Z. Gallun and The Crash of Empire

Related to Ahasuerus' comments on Psychotechnic League are your proposed updates for The Best of Raymond Z. Gallun and The Crash of Empire where with both of them you wanted to make changes in the contents section. Please take a look at Help:Screen:EditPub#General_contents which covers some things we need to be alert to when making changes to the contents.

Probably the least-work solution for both of us at this point would be if I approve your update but then re-edit the part where you modified a title record in the contents to restore the original data, and also to do the add-title/remove-title thing. I won't have time to deal with this for a few days though and so will leave it in the queue. Ahasuerus, I accidentally switched Psychotechnic League as being held by you to being held by me. I had the record up to see if you were holding it for the same reason I'm holding these, saw that the record needed to be held, instinctively hit hold, and learned that the newer hold overwrites the old one. Marc Kupper (talk) 19:30, 11 Jul 2007 (CDT)

No worries, switched back :) Ahasuerus 21:02, 11 Jul 2007 (CDT)
Hmmmm, since I can't see the submission now (they're held), I can't see what I should be fixing. Perhaps it would be better if the submissions were just dropped for the time being. I can take a (better educated, more experienced) run at them later. Other than that, I don't know what to do with this.
--Dsorgen 20:53, 19 Jul 2007 (CDT)
I have volunteered to resolve this issue since Marc Kupper is currently busy. I think I have an idea as to what his concerns are but I want to look a closer look. It won't hurt to make the effort as it may be a good learning experience.--swfritter 15:46, 25 Sep 2007 (CDT)
The Gallun book appears to have had only one printing so I think you would have been safe to have used the existing pub that already had data. I have updated that pub but have a couple of questions. Does 'The Shadow of the Veil' have quote marks around it in the book? If it doesn't the title will have to be removed from the pub and a new title will have to be added and made a variant of the existing title from the original publication (see note on Crash of Empire). Does 'Return of a Legend' appear in your copy? If not this might a different edition otherwise it needs a page number. I will not reject your original submission until this issue is resolved. You can answer on your page.
The Crash of Empire. The Benford story - is the title on the title page of the story 'Seascape' or 'Pebble Among the Stars'? If you change title of the story here it will change the title of the story everywhere it appears. See this entry in Help on Changing Stories in Collections--swfritter 12:40, 27 Sep 2007 (CDT)

Birthright: The Book of Man

You submitted an update to Birthright: The Book of Man where you changed the type from COLLECTION to NOVEL plus added the note "Change in Type based on correspondence (email) with the author." I suspect the note was to the moderators that you wanted edited out but I'm wondering - do you know why this was marked as a collection? If it's ambiguous then it may well be helpful to update the note explaining this is more detail. The note may be nothing more than "This book may appear to be a collection but the author intends that be be a novel (source: e-mail with the author, July 2007)." Marc Kupper (talk) 19:30, 11 Jul 2007 (CDT)

They only thing that comes to mind re:collection vs novel is the way the contents page is organized. The entries are NOT identified as "chapters", but rather simply listed by title. If you saw it, this would make a LOT more sense. The chapters are only loosely connected. The intervals between them (in "novel time", if you will) can be quite large, on the order of thousands of years.

I could insert the text of the email if you think that would be appropriate. It wasn't terribly long. It may be better if it were inserted in the biblio page for the book. I'm still feeling my way around how things are done here. In the meanwhile, I'll alter the note as you suggested.
--Dsorgen 20:31, 19 Jul 2007 (CDT)

Best of C. M. Kornbluth

I accepted your update of this edition, but had to change the date to 1977-01-00 (your submission of 1979-01-00 must have been a typo, since you add a note that the pub date is January, 1977). Also, you might find it easier in the future to clone a previous edition if the contents are identical, and update the specifics of your edition. Then delete the edition without the contents. This saves having to type in the contents again, and saves someone from having to merge all of the newly created title records with the pre-existing titles. Thanks. Mhhutchins 21:43, 12 Jul 2007 (CDT)

You are quite correct the date was 1977. I have NO idea where '79 came from. Good suggestion re: clone a "contented" version. Hadn't thought of it yet. Thanks... I wasn't aware that the content records were back-merged. It had occurred to me that it could be done, but would not necessarily be a "good thing" due to variations (e.g., corrections in content titles) in printings.
--Dsorgen 20:39, 18 Jul 2007 (CDT)
If there's differences between the two publications, use "Add Titles" for those that are different. Then, after the cloned record is accepted, go to the new pub and use "Remove Titles from This Pub" to get rid of the titles from the original pub that were different or dropped from the new edition. Mhhutchins 22:07, 26 Jul 2007 (CDT)

The Best of Mack Reynolds

Dave, you submitted a new Publication record for The Best of Mack Reynolds the other night. We already had 3 near-identical Publication records (probably based on Contento's record) for this book, so I folded them into one and added the page numbers and additional information from your submission. The only discrepancy between your submission and what we currently have on file is the introduction. Contento lists it as "Showing Off Reynolds" by Barry N. Malzberg while your submission lists it as "(Introduction)The Best of Mack Reynolds" by Mack Reynolds. Could you please check which one is correct? Once we are on the same page, I will go ahead and reject your submission so that we don't have a duplicate Publication record in the database. Thanks! Ahasuerus 12:40, 15 Jul 2007 (CDT)

Argh... I'm having problems with s-l-o-w access tonight. The intro had no other title than intro either in the TOC or on the text page. Since this is a first edition pb, it may have been changed in later printings.
--Dsorgen 21:03, 18 Jul 2007 (CDT)
How very mysterious! Let me check my copy when I have access to it on July 28-30 and see if I can puzzle it out :) Ahasuerus 10:37, 19 Jul 2007 (CDT)
Since I have the stuff on hand (i.e., book and scanner), would you like to see scans of the pages in question? Not a big deal. It might not hurt to see the cover page too. Let me know if you're interested.
--Dsorgen 20:21, 19 Jul 2007 (CDT)
Well, if you could post a scan of the cover, the title page and the table of contents, it would help, but only if it's not too painful. I will post a request on our verification board as well in case somebody else has a copy. Thanks! Ahasuerus 22:21, 19 Jul 2007 (CDT)

The Rim Gods / The High Hex

I accepted your update of this pub, but had to revert the changes you made in the cover artist field. Any thing placed in this field creates an artist with that name, with no linking to the main summary page of the artist's real name, e.g. "Frank Kelly Freas (The High Hex)" would become a new artist with that exact name, and there would be no linkage to Freas' summary page. I moved your credits for each cover to the note section of the publication. Thanks.

High Rise High-Rise

I approved adding High Rise under the High-Rise title record but am wondering if the publications without a hyphen should be filed under a variant title. Marc Kupper (talk) 00:30, 30 Jul 2007 (CDT)

Did some looking around on Abebooks and their cover images and it would appear that the title without the a hyphen is a variant. I've made High Rise a variant of High-Rise.Kraang 05:14, 30 Jul 2007 (CDT)


You had added a title note to Shockscape with the comment

Moderator: The title clearly shows "James Axler" as the author as does the title page. Attributing this to "Laurence James" seems to be a bit of a stretch. The novel does not appear as an entry under "James Axler".

This is an area of ISFDB I complained about for a long time and sort of have gotten used to. When you make a title record a variant title it vanishes from the pseudonym's bibliographic display. In this case we have

  • Title record 11883 - this is for Laurence James which is the author's real name.
  • Title record 188757 - This is a variant title of 11883 and is for James Axler. It contains the publication as that's written using the name James Axler.

If you look at Laurence_James bibliography you will see Shockscape with an "[as by James Axler ]".

If you look at James_Axler you will see the titles where the real authors have not been assigned yet. Ideally (if you ask me...) James_Axler would show all of the titles written as James Axler and perhaps with wording such as (written by Laurence James pseudonomously).

One way to get a list of all the James Axler works is to click on "titles" on the left which takes you to [2] and it looking at this it looks like the following could be merged

  • Crucible of Time
  • Deathlands Collectors Edition: Encounter
  • Gaia's Demise
  • Gemini Rising
  • Homeward Bound
  • Ice and Fire
  • Latitude Zero
  • Neutron Solstice

It's a bit of work I'm not willing to get into right now as you will also start spotting duplicate publications, etc. Marc Kupper (talk) 00:48, 30 Jul 2007 (CDT)

Alien Debt

In this case you could have updated the publication title. the change would only affect this publication. Less steps same result :-)Kraang 21:37, 8 Aug 2007 (CDT)


Just a heads up that I have changed the spelling of Kornbluth's name from "Cyril M. Kornbluth" to "C. M. Kornbluth" in this Publication that you verified back in July based on my copy. I hope Bantam didn't publish two versions of the cover and title pages :) Ahasuerus 21:27, 5 Sep 2007 (CDT)

Ouch. That'll be a toughie on my end to check. I give books away as I read them and that one's long gone. I'll dig back into my written record and database of stuff I've read and see what's there.
Regards--Dsorgen 23:17, 18 Oct 2007 (CDT)

Farside Cannon

Added cover art to Farside Cannon, please check. Dana Carson 01:55, 20 Sep 2007 (CDT)

That's the cover I've got on the shelf...
regards--Dsorgen 22:35, 18 Oct 2007 (CDT)

Terry Carr's Best SF of the Year #14

Based on the note that you placed in the update of this pub, I changed the pub's title and made it a variant (even though it's the one and only edition of this title.) Thanks. Mhhutchins 20:16, 7 Oct 2007 (CDT)

This was a bit of a puzzler. The date (1984) was mentioned in the blurb, but not in the title. Methinks someone goofed. Oh, well.
regards--Dsorgen 22:32, 18 Oct 2007 (CDT)

The Pool of Fire

I investigated the proposed changes to the MacMillan Collier edition of John Christopher's The Pool of Fire and found that the existing record had been imported from The Locus Index. It looks like you happen to have a different, earlier version of the book. I ended up rejecting the submission and adding your version via cloning.

Also, you wanted to change the date of a Cherryh edition from 1985-00-00 to 0000-00-00 since there was no publication date stated in the book, but I found it cataloged in the Locus Index and added a note about the source of the date information to the record. Finally, I created a couple of Interiorart records based on your Notes about maps. Other than that, everything looks spiffy, keep up the good work! Ahasuerus 23:47, 7 Oct 2007 (CDT)

Cover art link to Amazon for Hal Clement's Star Light

The link that you supplied for the cover art of this new record did not come through. This has been my experience lately with Amazon links ending in LZZZZZZZ.jpg. Do you know of any other source for the cover art? Thanks. Mhhutchins 23:15, 9 Oct 2007 (CDT)

I found this image. Can you verify it with the book? Mhhutchins 23:19, 9 Oct 2007 (CDT)
That's the image. I hadn't intended to send any image link, it must have been a carryover from a partially delete cloned pub entry. Sorry 'bout that. Unless/until a permanent (i.e. under ISFDB control) image host is made available, I won't be doing image links. Depending on other sites for these links is setting up ISFDB for digital alzheimer's. ...and so it goes.
regards--Dsorgen 22:29, 18 Oct 2007 (CDT)
So true about the dependence on other sites' images. Who can say how stable these sources are? An astonishing number of the Amazon links don't work! That's why I'm in the same boat as you about creating image links. Mhhutchins 16:42, 19 Oct 2007 (CDT)

Holding off verifying pubs until your edits have been accepted

The moderator gets a warning that an editor is attempting to update a verified pub, so we have to go back to the record to see who originally did the verifying. Waiting until your updates have been accepted saves us that extra step. Thanks. Mhhutchins 23:24, 9 Oct 2007 (CDT)

That was an experiment to see what would happen (since there's no other way to find out). See, I found out. Running a train of updates on a single pub ain't a good idea. Whoda thunk it?
Regards,--Dsorgen 21:18, 17 Oct 2007 (CDT)

Gallun and Crash of Empire

You may have missed this entry. I actually found a copy of the Gallun book on my last round through the used book stores and fixed it up myself. My question about Crash of Empire still stand. You can look at the Proposed Update to refresh your memory.--swfritter 14:03, 10 Oct 2007 (CDT)

Tech Info

I am a retired computer programmer and am also interested in the technical side. These two entries might be of interest to you. ISFDB Design Documentation and ISFDB Downloads. I haven't tried to get the web application running on my local but have been playing around with SQL. I also played around a little bit with accessing the data with Delphi.--swfritter 14:11, 10 Oct 2007 (CDT)

I'm a NON-retired programmer (currently called an IT Consultant, but still doing 50% programming) and am happy to help out with some tech stuff (mainly SQL, or getting MySQL running). I'm afraid the Design Documentation is horribly incomplete and out of date, but the Downloads are very useful for trying things out. (But still a bit out of date.) But feel free to ask for help, the worst thing that can happen is that I admit I'm just as clueless on that area! BLongley 14:19, 10 Oct 2007 (CDT)
To be honest, the only person who really understands the application is Al, our founder-designer-programmer, and he is still mostly unavailable due to a move to another state and various family issues. Marc Kupper joined Al on Sourceforge at one point, but he has been mostly unavailable lately as well :( Wim Lewis has the ISFDB running on his home PC and has been known to create various interesting SQL queries, but his ISFDB time is very sporadic. Other folks (see above) run MySQL queries from time to time and I write data cleansing scripts in my plentiful spare time, but it's mostly spur of the moment stuff. Ahasuerus 21:48, 10 Oct 2007 (CDT)

Dolphin Island

I have reviewed the proposed changes to the 1987 Ace edition of Clarke's Dolphin Island. According to the Locus Index, this edition does exist, so I took the details of your Berkley Medallion submission and created a new Publication. Please take a look at it to make sure that it looks OK when you have a chance. Thanks! :) Ahasuerus 15:57, 10 Oct 2007 (CDT)

Looks OK to me (you could quibble whether or not the last page should be included or not in the count, but since its numbered, in it goes). I'm glad that Locus agrees with my eyeballs and bookshelf that this edition exists. I'd be rather <snort> nonplussed if it didn't. Not to mention, it would be hard to explain....

Regards--Dsorgen 21:08, 17 Oct 2007 (CDT)

Report on Planet Three and Other Speculations

Re: Report on Planet Three and Other Speculations, we already had the contents of the UK edition on file, so I cloned that Publication and used the data from your submission to populate the page numbers and other fields. I then rejected your submission -- that way we didn't have to merge the newly entered titles with their pre-existing counterparts.

Also, please keep in mind that all Nonfiction Publication records have associated Nonfiction Title records just like all Collection publications have associated Collection Titles, etc. You don't have to worry about them when entering new Nonfiction publications since they are created behind the scenes automatically, but when you are entering Contents level data in an existing Nonfiction publication, it is important not to overwrite the pre-existing Nonfiction Title record by accident. If you do, the Publication record will no longer be associated with any Nonfiction Title record and won't be accessible to the users. The Clarke publication that you worked on was particularly treacherous because of a pre-existing Nonfiction-Collection mismatch. Thanks! Ahasuerus 21:19, 10 Oct 2007 (CDT)

Is there some nice, concise reference anywhere that explains/lays-out what entries generate what records or could clobber pre-existing records? It seems a bit of a waste to have to discover all this by trial and error. I expect I could go thru the code, but that doesn't seem like a really good idea or productive use of my time. Sigh... and so it goes...
--Dsorgen 21:11, 17 Oct 2007 (CDT)

Red Iron Nights

I see that you are adding the second printing of the 1991 Penguin/Roc edition of this book. The submitted year is 1991-00-00 and the submitted Note says "2nd printing of Sept 1991 edition." How confident are we that the second printing was printed in late 1991 as opposed to, say, early 1992? Ahasuerus 22:21, 10 Oct 2007 (CDT)

Good question. The year should have been cleared. The numberline indicated the second printing, but there was no date for other than the original. Must have missed clearing it, good catch. I usually try to "clear" the date just before I type the printing info in the comments block. Must have just gotten myself out of sync.
--Dsorgen 20:32, 17 Oct 2007 (CDT)
Thanks, fixed :) Ahasuerus 20:45, 17 Oct 2007 (CDT)

The Reluctant King (and omnibuses in general)

Hi, I just approved your change to The Reluctant King (making it into an omnibus). There are a couple of things I tidied up afterwards. One is that when you change the type of the publication, you generally need to change the type of the corresponding title record as well: in this case, there was a title record for The Reluctant King which was still of type NOVEL but needed to be OMNIBUS. This is easiest if you do it via the "edit publication" page, which lets you edit the publication record and its associated title records at the same time.

The other thing is that you can list the contents of an omnibus in the same way you list the contents of a collection or anthology --- just use "add title" and add records of type NOVEL with the appropriate title/author, and if necessary go back and merge them with the title records of the independent novel publications as well.

When you view a publication, ISFDb will hide the title record corresponding to the publication itself, and only show the records corresponding to its contents (if any). This seems to confuse all the new editors (well, it confused me). WimLewis 00:12, 14 Oct 2007 (CDT)

Flow My Tears, the Policeman Said

Is this the image for your verified pub? BLongley 15:48, 15 Oct 2007 (CDT)

Yup, dat's da one.
--Dsorgen 20:26, 17 Oct 2007 (CDT)

Dorsai Spirit

I just finished some work on this one so i have a better ideal about its makeup. This is one of those that falls into the grey area. The novel/collection/fix-up is a combination of two short stories with linking material [3]. Does your copy have these titles in the content or is it without titles? Also I found a listing for a 1980 5th edition on Abebooks so I cloned the original pub and added a note before I approved the update :-)Kraang 21:49, 17 Oct 2007 (CDT)

Ahasuerus and I discussed this a few months back: it's been archived from my talk page, but here's what it said at the time:
I originally approved the Sphere edition of The Spirit of Dorsai as a Novel. However, looking at the contents of The Dorsai Companion it would appear that we are better off changing The Spirit of Dorsai to a Collection since both stories that it collects have been reprinted in various places. What do you think? Ahasuerus 23:47, 17 Mar 2007 (CDT)
Yes, seems wise - I wasn't aware 'Amanda Morgan' had been reprinted, it didn't seem worthwhile to make it a collection if only 'Brothers' was. The linking material is nothing special. BLongley 09:18, 18 Mar 2007 (CDT)

Don Rodriquez: Chronicles...

Hi, I changed the price from "40p" to "£0.40"[4] , we use this as the standard for new British pounds and pence(post 1970). The old British(Pre decimal) would be entered "5/6" which would be 5 shillings and 6 pence or "5/2/5"(5 pounds, 2 shillings and 5 pence). "-/6"(6 pence). "20/-"(20 shillings) :-)Kraang 22:07, 19 Oct 2007 (CDT)

I'm just glad I didn't have to make change for that...
regards--Dsorgen 22:44, 19 Oct 2007 (CDT)

The Deadly Streets

I've approved the pagination of The Deadly Streets but you put a 'delete' against the NONGENRE entry. I don't think we actually want to do that as it's the only link to the title record: normally we'd have it as a COLLECTION record matching a COLLECTION title, but I think NONGENRE aren't really intended to have contents. 05:31, 20 Oct 2007 (CDT)

I've changed "delete" to "ToTitle:" - this might make it clearer why I left it there, and is a sort of pointer as to why there's no USUAL Title Hyperlink shown. BLongley 05:44, 20 Oct 2007 (CDT)
I suppose that's fine. I have no way of knowing if it makes sense in the db implementation. The "delete" entry was simply to clean up the TOC. Sigh, maybe I'll have to read up on the implementation after all. Can you give me any pointers on what would be a good tech starting point (i.e., not the "help" files)? The help is well intentioned but scattered over the official help system, moderator's personal pages and the various other wiki areas. Makes it "difficult" to find one's way around (if you get my drift)...
Regards, --Dsorgen 21:28, 20 Oct 2007 (CDT)
Well, we have Al's ISFDB Design Documentation page and the Database Schema article. The former is incomplete, but the latter is a pretty good representation of the relationships within the database. You can also download the last posted ISFDB backup available over on the ISFDB Downloads page and load it into MySQL. The latter takes about 10 minutes to install if you follow my instructions found on the same page. Ahasuerus 22:18, 20 Oct 2007 (CDT)
I too recommend playing about in MySQL. I don't share Ahasuerus's enthusiasm about the Database Schema article, I find it doesn't add much more than you can find out for yourself looking at the raw database, although it does point out some of the known faults, and points at some other features that may turn up eventually (e.g. translations). What it really COULD do with is a more detailed explanation of what pub_content records need to exist to make things hang together, along with an explanation of when you can and when you can't see them via ISFDB itself. It's these often-invisible records that cause a lot of our headaches - e.g. the missing EDITOR records or not having a title of the same type as the publication. It doesn't help that the title type isn't shown on the pub_content record, but I suppose that's a natural side-effect of normalisation. But that's where I'd start for these sorts of problems. Fortunately, the other big headache (pseudonyms) is pretty much separate database-wise and can be left for another day of hard-thinking. BLongley 06:59, 21 Oct 2007 (CDT)
I've posted some info about publication contents and some of the problems we encounter here - it's a bit messy as I started from the database contents side but ended up from the what-you-see side, but hopefully it's a useful start. BLongley 09:47, 21 Oct 2007 (CDT)

The Course of Empire(a weighthy tome)/The Tyrant

Your page count for this pub[5] was "6664". Did you mean "666" or "664"?Kraang 20:19, 21 Oct 2007 (CDT)

I did the update for The Tyrant[6], does it look ok?Kraang 20:40, 21 Oct 2007 (CDT)
Yup, looks fine. Don't know where the 6's came from. The 501 you entered is correct. I could claim that touch-typing on a laptop doesn't work well, but that would be a fib... and so it goes.
regards --Dsorgen 21:11, 21 Oct 2007 (CDT)

Turn the Other Chick

I noticed some differences between your recent update of Turn the Other Chick and the hardcover edition:

  • Is Frankos' story "A Late Symmer Night Battle" or "A Late Symmer Night's Battle" (or "A Late Summer Night['s] Battle")?
  • Cover art: Foust or Faust? The Amazon images show the same illustration, so I assume it's the same artist as the hc ed.

Just checking whether these are typos, genuine variants, or what. --WimLewis 23:12, 24 Oct 2007 (CDT)

1 - "...Night's..." is correct.

2 - Faust is correct.
--Dsorgen 21:19, 25 Oct 2007 (CDT)

Thanks! It looks like "Faust" might be a printing error or pseudonym; I've contacted the verifier of the hardcover pub about the short story title. --WimLewis 00:57, 29 Oct 2007 (CDT)

Let the Spacemen Beware! / The Wizard of Starship Poseidon

Correct cover? I'm told there was only one printing of an Ace double under the same reference number. BLongley 07:10, 28 Oct 2007 (CDT) Also here. BLongley 11:37, 28 Oct 2007 (CDT)

That's them. I Have them right here in my hot little hand...
--Dsorgen 23:22, 28 Oct 2007 (CDT)--Dsorgen 23:19, 28 Oct 2007 (CDT)

Lord of the Fantastic: Stories in Honor of Roger Zelazny

I have approved your submission of the mass market paperback version of this book and merged all Titles with their pre-existing counterparts when applicable. I then cloned the Publication record and created the trade paperback version of the book using the Locus Index as the source of page numbers. Everything looks fine at this point, but could you please double check if Andre Norton's story is "The Outing" or "The Outling" (as per Locus)? TIA! Ahasuerus 07:01, 29 Oct 2007 (CDT)

You have been one BUSY beaver! Norton's story is, in fact, The Outling. Time to get the eyes checked or the typing knuckles greased (coming up on my 5000 character checkup). In either case, thanx for the work and the catch.
Regards, --Dsorgen 21:53, 31 Oct 2007 (CDT)
Thanks, fixed! :-) Ahasuerus 23:22, 31 Oct 2007 (CDT)

John Twelve Hawks's The Traveler

According to OCLC, this paperback reprint was published in 2006 and ran to 496 pages. I have added the date, but could you please double check whether the page count is 480 or 496? Also, I used OCLC to add the publication year (1980) to the NEL edition of Side-effect as well as to create a bunch of other publication records for this book. Ahasuerus 23:29, 2 Nov 2007 (CDT)

The last numbered page in the book is 480. There are no text pages after it. There are no roman numeralled(?) pages at the beginning of the text either. Looks like OCLC's got this one wrong. Happy to check it out... --Dsorgen 22:27, 3 Nov 2007 (CDT)
Very interesting! I wonder if OCLC has a different edition? Let me poke around and see what I can find... Ahasuerus 00:36, 5 Nov 2007 (CST)


Your Verified pub is showing up twice, I believe because it has two ANTHOLOGY entries in it. Do you know how to fix this, or would you like me to do it for you? (It's not just a case of deleting one, so ask for a full explanation if you're not SURE you know how.) BLongley 14:02, 4 Nov 2007 (CST)

I diffed these and found that they had the SAME rec#. ...and stopped major edits at that point. The duplicate rec# should be impossible.

The upshot is that I don't know how to get rid of just ONE of them. I'd like to know. Fire away.
Regards. --Dsorgen 21:07, 6 Nov 2007 (CST)
Well, what I do is just get rid of both and put ONE back. Here's what I did:
Step 1: change the pub-type to Novel, this allows extra ANTHOLOGY or COLLECTION contents to show up. I always like to do this as there may be more problems than you can see so far.
Step 2: Use "Remove Titles from this pub" to delete one of the extras: it'll give you a nasty warning at first, and in this case removes both anyway!
Select items to remove from: Futures

WARNING: Unable to locate the title reference for this publication.
Removing titles while in this state is dangerous. Check to make sure the publication type is correct (collection, novel, anthology,
etc.). Then come back and remove the title in question.


    * Futures, ANTHOLOGY , Peter Crowther
    * Futures, ANTHOLOGY , Peter Crowther
    * 181 - Making History, SHORTFICTION , Paul McAuley
    * 109 - Reality Dust, SHORTFICTION , Stephen Baxter
    * 267 - Tendeléo's Story, SHORTFICTION , Ian McDonald
    * vii - The Infinite Frontier, ESSAY , Peter Crowther
    * 1 - Watching Trees Grow, SHORTFICTION , Peter F. Hamilton  
Step 3: Add an ANTHOLOGY record with the same Title, Author and Year as the Pub itself, and in the same submission change the Pub Type back to ANTHOLOGY.
Step 4: as this had other publications and we've just created a new Anthology title, Advanced search to find the other Anthology for "Futures" by "Peter Crowther" and merge them. BLongley 13:00, 7 Nov 2007 (CST)
Note that Kraang has suggested that Cloning the pub may deduplicate, but I haven't tested that. (And then you still have to delete the old one, and in this case reverify the new one - something I can't do on somebody else's behalf.)
Finally, for people that aren't approving their own edits yet, it might be wise to add a temporary pub_note in Step 1 to explain to the Approver what your intentions are: you can remove it again in step 3. BLongley 13:00, 7 Nov 2007 (CST)
Please do check the publication again, and let me know if you have any further questions. BLongley 13:00, 7 Nov 2007 (CST)
Most interesting. I should have thought of just deleting them both and having at it de novo. The second part of step one is intriguing. Why would extraneous content appear when the type is switched to NOVEL? It would seem that it would be hidden, not revealed.
It's because when everything looks "right" to the ISFDB display software, it "helpfully" hides the records it thinks you shouldn't be messing with. When it looks wrong (Pub type and title type mismatch) then it can't be so clever. BLongley 13:20, 12 Nov 2007 (CST)
Also interesting is the merge part of step 4. What, exactly, gets merged and what remains? I am just not clear on the concept. I've seen a number of pubs that should probably be either merged or one of the set deleted. Based on my experience, I'm not too sure that the dif function actually works as advertised either (stuff appears that, as far as I can tell, IS identical) which, of course, shouldn't show.
You're confusing pubs and titles there. A title (like 'Futures' here) can have several publications, and yes, sometimes identical duplicate publications get entered. Sometimes the identical publications are held under identical but separate title records.
But the difference is that with a Publication, you just delete the spare one(s), with Titles you merge the spare title in so its child publications get grouped together. Here's a simple example: say that we have the first two editions of a novel, and somebody enters the first one again as a brand new publication, without using "Add Publication to This Title". We end up with two titles (with the same name) and three pubs, two of which look identical in name, date, price etc:
Firstedition1      points to        OverallTitle1   
Secondedition1     points to        OverallTitle1   
Firstedition2      points to        OverallTitle2
If you merge the titles, then one of them goes, but the publications under it get moved to the right parent. It doesn't really matter which title record is kept, so you can end up with
Firstedition1      points to        OverallTitle1   
Secondedition1     points to        OverallTitle1   
Firstedition2      points to        OverallTitle1
Firstedition1      points to        OverallTitle2
Secondedition1     points to        OverallTitle2   
Firstedition2      points to        OverallTitle2
NOW it becomes clearer we have a duplicate Pub: the Diff Publications tool would show Firstedition1 and Firstedition2 as identical, and it would invite you to edit or delete one or the other. If they're really identical, delete one. Or edit one to make it clearly different, e.g. if you know that one of them should be the first Hardcover edition and the other the first Paperback. So you could end up with:
Firstedition1      points to        OverallTitle1   
Secondedition1     points to        OverallTitle1   
FirstHCedition1    points to        OverallTitle2
FirstPBedition1    points to        OverallTitle2
Secondedition1     points to        OverallTitle2   
Is it clearer now? BLongley 13:20, 12 Nov 2007 (CST)

Sigh... So much to learn, so much crap, so much confusion...
regards --Dsorgen 20:40, 11 Nov 2007 (CST)
Almost forgot, checked the pub as "fixed". Looks just fine.--Dsorgen 20:45, 11 Nov 2007 (CST)
Thanks. BLongley 13:20, 12 Nov 2007 (CST)

Maps and illustrations

Hi, one of the things you can do is add the maps and illustrations in as interiorart. Just go to the content section and click "add title". In title box put in (Map)The Clone Republic [7]and artists name in author box. Change entry type to interiorart and submit. :-)Kraang 22:03, 6 Nov 2007 (CST)

Yep, I know about this one. Sometimes putting in 40 or 50 illustrations & maps just seems tedious to the point of "what the hell". I always try to note that they exist (as you noted), in hopes that I'll return to them eventually or that some other poor schmuck will put them in first. In which case, hoorah for him/her. When there is one map or illo, I pretty much handle it. Unfortunately, a LOT of them appear prior to the numbered pages or in other odd locations (e.g., ahead of the title/copyright pages). I guess I could leave the page entry empty, but it would seem SO lonely.
Regards --Dsorgen 20:28, 11 Nov 2007 (CST)
Just noting that there are map('s) or illustration('s) as one entry would be fine. You could then put into notes a mention about the number of maps or illustration. Reference to there exact pages is unnecessary. Its the link to the artist that important. Also when you manually enter short stories they need to be merged. You can use the "Dup Candidates" in the editing tools. Thanks :-)Kraang 21:00, 11 Nov 2007 (CST)
Have a crack at Fritz Leiber [8]. Only pick matching types and if you get a big yellow warning don't submit. Use the buttons to chose any conflicts like date , series, notes, story type(ss,na,nt) and so on.Kraang 21:14, 11 Nov 2007 (CST)

The Flight of the Horse

I examined your submission of the 8th printing of Niven's The Flight of the Horse and decided t clone a pre-existing printing instead. Please take a look at the results when you get a chance to make sure that nothing was missed. Also, could you please double check whether the title of "Leviathan!" is spelled with an exclamation point on the title page? I suspect that the TOC dropped it, something that many publishers seem to do. TIA! Ahasuerus 22:42, 17 Nov 2007 (CST)

"Horse" looks Ok. The "!" is used both in the TOC and title page. --Dsorgen 21:18, 28 Nov 2007 (CST)

Omega Cage

Is the title The Omega Cage or Omega Cage? Thanks :-)Kraang 21:14, 18 Nov 2007 (CST)

"The" is appropriate. It appears on the cover, spine and title page. --Dsorgen 21:21, 28 Nov 2007 (CST)

There Will Be War

Approved There Will Be War, noticied that there are several reprints in it. I assume you'll merge those. While you're at it you might want to also see if you can fix There Will Be War which is a variant that seems broken by J. E. Pournelle. Ditto merges for There Will Be War, #04: Day of the Tyrant Dana Carson 00:23, 20 Nov 2007 (CST)

There's a whole raft of problems with this series (altho not NEARLY as bad as the Wild Cards "matrix" novels). When I get organized (some time in Jan), I'll revisit this stuff. --Dsorgen 21:23, 28 Nov 2007 (CST)

Pullman's The Amber Spyglass

Dave, could you please check if there are xii (12) pages prior to regularly numbered pages in the copy of The Amber Spyglass: His Dark Materials Book 3 that you have just updated? I have added them based on OCLC's data, but you can never be too careful. TIA! Ahasuerus 21:56, 20 Nov 2007 (CST)

pages xi and xii exist as contents pages. There are pages before them, but they are NOT numbered in any fashion. There's one page of quotations, a blank page or two and the usual copyright and title pages. Whether there are actually xii pages or not depends on how you feel about counting those as "pages" in the book.

--Dsorgen 21:28, 28 Nov 2007 (CST)

Rankin' The Brightonomicon

I have approved your submission of Rankin's The Brightonomicon, but since the publisher was Gollancz, I wonder if the price was in dollars or pounds? Could you please double check? TIA! Ahasuerus 22:09, 20 Nov 2007 (CST)

It looks identical to mine. Gollancz were an Imprint rather than a Publisher by then, so I've clarified my edition as to that, and a little more as p405 is questionable as well. But there's no indication of a US price on mine, so if there is an identical-looking US pub we'll probably need notes as to country of printing too? BLongley 14:35, 21 Nov 2007 (CST)
The price (6.99) is pounds, not $$; so, not a US pub. Picked up this copy at "The Book People" in Austin, Tx. There was a US price sticker glued on the book, but NOT printed on the cover.
Page 405 contains (and I Quote)
'Nice work, Rizla.'
'Thank you, Mr. Rune."
Which would appear to be part of the book (if not that, what?)
So, how's that?

--Dsorgen 21:36, 28 Nov 2007 (CST)

Oh, it's part of the BOOK, I'm just not sure it's part of the STORY. (Leaves it to someone else, Robert Rankin is complex enough anyway...) BLongley 16:04, 29 Nov 2007 (CST)
Hm, the price is still stated $6.99 in the record above... --Roglo 09:28, 5 Jan 2008 (CST)

Binder Pseudonym in The Weird Ones.

"Iron Man" in your verified pub has been changed so that Otto Binder is the only pseudonymous author. Virtually all of the Binder stories published after 1939 (and many between 1936 and 1939) were written by Otto only.--swfritter 19:24, 17 Dec 2007 (CST)

Best SF 2

Right cover? BLongley 08:57, 5 Jan 2008 (CST) And Here? BLongley 13:30, 17 Jan 2008 (CST)

Out of the Mouth of the Dragon

I have updated your verified publication

  • Added image
  • Added comment "The printing date is not stated and the date for this ISFDB record is from copyright." If the printing date is visible somewhere could you please let me know where it's found? Thank you. Marc Kupper (talk) 15:27, 19 Jan 2008 (CST)
Welcome back, Dave! :) Ahasuerus 22:59, 23 Jan 2008 (CST)
I don't think he's back per the contributions log. Marc Kupper (talk) 22:04, 28 Jan 2008 (CST)
Judging by his submissions, he is definitely back from his travels (hope they were enjoyable!) However, as I recall, Dave tends to check the Wiki once a week or so. I assume he will comment on this discussion eventually :) Ahasuerus 22:45, 28 Jan 2008 (CST)
Arg. I let the note from a previous editor stand; since I couldn't find the date either. I don't use the copyright date, but since it was already there I didn't edit it out. --Dsorgen 22:48, 29 Jan 2008 (CST)
Generally if I'm unable to verify information that was was already in an ISFDB record I'll make a note of it. This seems to happen most often with cover artist credits and I have a boiler-plate note that I use:
  • The cover artist is not credited nor is a signature visible. However, prior to verification this ISFDB record credited /artist-name/. The source of this credit is unknown but is assumed to be accurate.
That way someone looking at the record will be forwarned that the credited artist was not explicitly stated and that it may be not be accurate.
I don't mind using a copyright date as the printing date but only do it in cases where there are other clues that point to that it's quite likely that the date will be correct and always add a note explaining the source of the printing date. Marc Kupper (talk) 23:53, 29 Jan 2008 (CST)

"Eric Dinger"

Thanks for fixing the "Eric Dinger" typo! Thankfully, the way the software works, it automatically deletes the Author record once the last associated title/publication has been deleted, so there is no need for manual intervention :) Ahasuerus 21:56, 28 Jan 2008 (CST)

I'll have to keep that "feature" in mind. This isn't the first typo like this I've found and could have put it to use. Wouldn't have to create moderator notes.--Dsorgen 22:45, 29 Jan 2008 (CST)

Dianne/Diann Thornley

I have looked into this issue and it turns out that "Dianne Thornley" was merely a misspelling of "Diann Thornley", so I have changed all occurrences of the former to the latter instead of creating a pseudonym. I will leave the submission on hold for now since the display looks a little flaky now that the other Author record no longer exists and I would like Al to take a look at it before I reject it. Thanks! Ahasuerus 20:13, 2 Feb 2008 (CST)

You are correct in identifying the misspelling of the name. I had intended to go back and attempt to remove the incorrect name after (I hoped) linking the titles (via pseudo) to the primary record. Didn't see any other way to do it. Please delete the submission. --Dsorgen 22:36, 2 Feb 2008 (CST)
Well, the safe (but time consuming) way to handle this issue would have been to manually change all affected Publication and Author records from "Dianne Thornley" to "Diann Thornley". The quick (but dangerous) way to do the same thing would have been to click on Advanced Search and enter a search string in the second form, i.e. the "ISFDB Author Search Form". Once the entered search found both versions of the name, in this case "Dianne Thornley" as well as "Diann Thornley", you could merge the two Author records. However, please be very careful with Author merges -- merging similarly looking pseudonyms like "Robert Heinlein" with their respective canonical names ("Robert A. Heinlein") may destroy dozens of hours worth of work if the moderator doesn't catch it approval time.
As far as Pseudonyms go, at this time there is no way to delete Pseudonym associations (it's on the list of things to do), so it's important to make double sure that the relationship is correct when creating Pseudonyms. Thanks for all the submissions! :) Ahasuerus 22:53, 2 Feb 2008 (CST)

The Year of the Quiet Sun

I have approved your submission of The Year of the Quiet Sun even though it is almost the same as the one that I verified back in November. The only difference is that my publication has a different catalog ID, which, upon closer examination, looks like a typo on my part. Just to be on the safe side, I will keep both publications on file and double check mine when I am reunited with my collection on February 16. Thanks! Ahasuerus 23:17, 2 Feb 2008 (CST)

How Few Remain

I have approved the 1998-06-00 mass market paperback edition of How Few Remain, but could you please double check that it is not a later printing? $7.99 is a bit high for 1998. TIA! Ahasuerus 23:24, 2 Feb 2008 (CST)

Interesting indeed. The number line id's the book as a first imprint and the text on the CR page states: "First Mass Market Edition: June 1998)", but the price IS $7.99 (from both the spine and barcode area). Strange. Happy to oblige... --Dsorgen 20:55, 4 Feb 2008 (CST)

Waldrop's Strange Monsters of the Recent Past

I will be accepting your submission updating this edition, but I wanted to let you know about some changes I have to make in order for it to "fit" into the database. When you added the content record for the introduction, you overwrote the existing title record, that part of the pub record which links the pub to a title which is linked to an author which is linked to the database. When you update certain types of pub records you may notice the first record (the title record) has been filled in. If you wish to add more contents, simply click the "Add Title" button and start adding new contents. Never overwrite an existing record. That creates a stray pub, meaning it's not linked to any title, and it won't be displayed in the listing of pubs with that title. Thanks. Mhhutchins 16:51, 5 Feb 2008 (CST)

I just noticed that you overwrote the title record for the collection which constituted one of the titles of this "omnibus", not the title record of the omnibus itself. So disregard what I said above. (It still applies, just not in the present situation. Mea culpa. Nevertheless, it's not a good idea to overwrite an existing content record.) IMHO, this isn't really an omnibus (both the collection and the novella were previously published as separate books), but is more closer defined as a collection. I'll make that change. Sorry about the mix-up. Mhhutchins 16:59, 5 Feb 2008 (CST)

Pan Sagittarius

Your new printing is showing a bad checksum, can you double-check please? BLongley 17:20, 5 Feb 2008 (CST)

Yup, that's the number (0425-02659-7). Actually it's the SBN prefixed with a "0" as taken from the copyright page. There's no other place it's shown. The serial number for the book is "N2659" which also appears on the spine as "425 02659 095". Hmmmm... --Dsorgen 20:09, 6 Feb 2008 (CST)
OK, added to the list. Might it be 0425026590? That works at Amazon UK and, if few places else. BLongley 15:15, 9 Feb 2008 (CST)
Not unless what's printed in the book is incorrect (always possible). I checked the copyright page VERY carefully. Sounds like it's probably a misprint. --Dsorgen 20:42, 10 Feb 2008 (CST)

War of Honor

Approved War of Honor but my hb has no mention of Baen as a author. Is there a intro or such that I missed or was added in your copy? Dana Carson 23:22, 5 Feb 2008 (CST)

I just checked my copy of the Ebook, and there is no credit for Jim Baen as a co-author, nor is there any intro or similar text which he might plausibly have written. I don't recall any such in the hc edition, which i have read, but have no current access to. -DES Talk 10:13, 6 Feb 2008 (CST)
Hmmm... I don't remember ADDING that entry. It's possible it was already there. I can't look at what I submitted, but suspect it wasn't Baen as an author, probably just some additional detail. Just glad I didn't verify it. How embarrassing. By the way, my copy (plopped here on the desk right now) also does NOT include Baen as an author (cover, title page, spine or elsewhere). How does one go about correcting the goof? Regards, --Dsorgen 20:17, 6 Feb 2008 (CST)
Just edit the pub and blank the undesired author. I just submitted a fix for this one. -DES Talk 20:29, 6 Feb 2008 (CST)
Thanks, folks, I have approved the change and it looks like we are all set :) Ahasuerus 20:30, 6 Feb 2008 (CST)

Fires of Paratime by Modesitt

I've added cover art link to your verified copy of this title. Is it correct? Thanks. MHHutchins 14:03, 19 Mar 2008 (CDT)

Yup, that's the one. Got a buncha stuff I'd like to scan and store for ISFDB, but there's nowhere to put it. Sigh... Dave --Dsorgen 21:21, 19 Mar 2008 (CDT)
Check out this recent discussion -- the ISFDB will be moving to a new server in the next few days (no change to the URL, though) and we may be able to store our own images there :) Ahasuerus 21:50, 19 Mar 2008 (CDT)
It would be nice to have the hosting ability. For everything (99.999%) I edit I have the source document. It would be nice to be able to take advantage of that. --Dsorgen 21:07, 20 Mar 2008 (CDT)

David(d) Mattingly

Is it safe to assume that the third "d" in "Davidd Mattingly" in your verified Heroes in Hell is a typo? :) Ahasuerus 00:19, 20 Mar 2008 (CDT)

Nah, I think it's the second one... ;-) BTW, have we got enough samples to decide the Canonical name yet? I think "Dave" is out, although I found a few of those recently. BLongley 12:58, 20 Mar 2008 (CDT)
I think that all the instances I have seen are "David" but I haven't happened to enter any, and haven't been keeping close track, so this is of limited value.
As for the change, don't delete either "d", merely insert a backspace character between them :). -DES Talk 13:14, 20 Mar 2008 (CDT)
Hmmm... don't know which is redundant, just know (from intense personal experience no less) that ONE of them has to go, don't care which one. Personally, I prefer the short form: --Dsorgen 21:09, 20 Mar 2008 (CDT)
===> Just a thought: since the guy's still alive, why not send him an email and ASK HIM what he'd prefer? I've seen three forms: David Mattingly, David B. Mattingly and Dave Mattingly. There can be only one (to coin a phrase) and only the owner should decide. Regards, --Dsorgen 21:14, 20 Mar 2008 (CDT)

The Forest of Time and Other Stories

Dsorgen, Locus lists the date for the trade edition as Apr 1998, you submited 1997-04-00? Locus list the hardcover as Apr 1997. Can you check the date and see if it should be Apr 1998. Thanks :-)Kraang 21:16, 2 Apr 2008 (CDT)

The date printed on the copyright page is apr 97. It could be that the the somewhat puzzling habit of some houses to imprint the TP version with HC print date has been followed. In that case, your guess is as good as mine as to the "correct" date. Please feel free to change the date if you feel that the LOCUS info is correct. Regards, --Dsorgen 22:15, 2 Apr 2008 (CDT)
It is a bit puzzling but your copy is dated Apr 1997, so we go with that. I'll leave a note that Locus has a conflicting date of Apr 1998. The British issue a lot of their tp & hc's at the same time, so some of the American publisher may do the same thing sometimes. Thanks.Kraang 06:24, 3 Apr 2008 (CDT)

The Road to Science Fiction 6: Around the World

I approved The Road to Science Fiction 6: Around the World a few minutes ago and then went looking for more information about the stories that it contains. It looks like they are all listed in the 1984-1998 Locus Index, which should make it easy to assign publication dates :) Ahasuerus 00:23, 5 Apr 2008 (CDT)

Thanks for the pointer. I'll learn to do this completely (eventually). I used the dates of original publication, not the first appearance in English. I hope that was correct. I also had a funny feeling that I may not have done the update correctly (used the anthology entries to correct the contents, not the separate content entries themselves). Hope that doesn't create a problem. If it does, I'll fix it. I still have a few gaps in understanding how ISFDB hangs together in terms of what points to what and what actions update/replace/create new records. --Dsorgen 14:22, 6 Apr 2008 (CDT)
No worries, everything was done correctly! Just keep in mind that when you are editing a Title in the Contents section of an anthology/collection/etc, you are modifying the underlying Title record that may also appear in many other publications. I have one of the updates on hold since it requires a bit more analysis, but I should get to it some time tomorrow.
Your understanding of the ISFDB logic is clearly making progress, but my guess is that when one has as many travel-related hiatuses as you do, it can be hard to keep the Big Picture intact. BTW, take it from an eternal wanderer, constant travel can be fun for a century or two, but it does get old eventually... Ahasuerus 00:20, 8 Apr 2008 (CDT)
We have Virginia and Michigan coming up in May/June (grandkids and a search for a summer house outside Texas). In July, a trip to Iceland out of sheer curiosity. In August/Sept a loop trip thru a buncha national parks (my wife's never been to Yellowstone). In October, a paddlewheel trip up the Mississippi for fall foliage viewing. Nothing after that (so far). I keep thinking I'll slow down, but there are SO many interesting places to go and things to do. Regards, --Dsorgen 11:35, 8 Apr 2008 (CDT)
I'd check Yellowstone's Web site before going there in September - certain areas may not open until some time in July and close again in September. Also, they have frequent problems with road closures, which may often mean a 100 mile detour, so planning ahead is important. Iceland is a good place to visit too, but the accommodations can be very basic outside of the capital, e.g. temporarily converted high school classrooms. Another good place to visit while you are still young and healthy is Australia/NZ since a 13-14 hour flight can be brutal later in life. Lots of places to visit down there, so I would plan on at least a month in Oz alone. Ahasuerus 00:19, 10 Apr 2008 (CDT)

The Mathematical Magpie

I have approved your changes to The Mathematical Magpie and I am now working my way through the items that you marked "delete". I have checked the text of "A, B and C - The Human Element in Mathematics" and it turns out to be (sort of) fiction rather than an essay after all. It was first published in 1910, so I changed the record type and the date, added a couple of notes to the record and sent an e-mail to Bill Contento so that he could update his records too.

I then cleaned up "The Square of the Hypotenuse" by Johnny Mercer and Saul Chaplin as well as "The Ta Ta" by Sidney H. Sime and Joseph Charles Holbrooke. However, I noticed that you listed them as essays while Contento lists them as songs, with one author responsible for the lyrics and the other one for the music. Are they really songs and, if so, do we want to change them from Essay to Poem (since we don't have a separate "Song" title type)? Ahasuerus 00:19, 10 Apr 2008 (CDT)

They are, in fact, songs (with the music). I would have tagged them "music" or "song" had that been available. I didn't think of "poem", but that might be a bit more appropriate than "essay". I'd say, go for it. Dsorgen 16:00, 11 Apr 2008 (CDT)
Done -- thanks! Ahasuerus 05:47, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Finally, you would like to delete two uncredited poems, "Riddle" and "Verse", which are listed by Contento as appearing on pp. 263 and 262 respectively. I wonder if perhaps they may be cleverly hiding someplace unexpected, e.g. Damon Knight used to published short-shorts and poems in hard-to-find places. Thanks! Ahasuerus 00:19, 10 Apr 2008 (CDT)

The items do exist, but, in context have little meaning or import. They have the same value, for example, as would a paragraph that was singled out and marked "text" or perhaps "blank page". If you have a citation for them, put them back in. They have no titles and actually appear to be fragments of verse/poems. It just seemed pointless to me.
Regards - --Dsorgen 16:00, 11 Apr 2008 (CDT)
Ah, I see! Yes, I agree that they are at best a borderline case and don't really have to be included. The main reason that I am inclined to keep them is that they are listed by Bill Contento and we try to keep our records in sync with his (he also maintains the Locus Index) so that when people search the Web, they get consistent information. By the way, he has already corrected the errors that you found in this record and will post the updated data on his site shortly :) Thanks! Ahasuerus 05:47, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Bumper Crop and Mad Dog Summer: And Other Stories

I have accepted your updates to Bumper Crop and Mad Dog Summer: And Other Stories, however I've noticed two thing worth checking: Foreward in Bumper Crop (was it misprinted?) and Screwup in Mad Dog Summer . . . - isn't it credited as coauthored by Karen Lansdale (as reported by the Locus index)? Locus has also different spelling of this title, so it is worth adding a note explaining the differences. For reference, links to Locus index: Bumper Crop, Mad Dog Summer and Other Stories. Thank you for adding contents to these two collections! --Roglo 09:32, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

The "Foreword" entry in Bumper Crop appears exactly the same on the Contents page and on the title page of the "essay". No change required there.
I was asking, because you had entered "Foreward", not "Foreword". --Roglo 09:02, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
The "Screwup" entry in Mad Dog Summer was not correct on the contents page. The dual authors are shown on the first page of the story. The spelling I used for the entry is the same on the "Contents" page and on the first page of the story. I'll correct the authorship goof and add the note. It appears that Locus may be wrong on this one, unless Joe changed his mind about the title.
Regards, --Dsorgen 01:32, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
Yes, we record the title as printed on the first page of the story. I believe Locus is sometimes reusing an older variant of the title. They list Till Death Do Us Part (1999) as the first publication, and though I don't see it in Locus index, it is recorded by LoC (and WorldCat) as including the Screw Up title.
Note that after you remove a title from a contents listing, this title will still exist in the database, even though it is no longer part of the publication. This title was created by mistake. So, after your 'Remove Titles From This Pub' is approved, you should find the record with single author on the author's page, check that no publications are listed for this title, and delete this record ('Delete This Title'). Thanks! --Roglo 09:02, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
You have merged the two variants of Screwup while both were part of the Mad Dog Summer: And Other Stories contents listing. The result of such operation is that the same title is included in the contents listing twice (you have to open publication for editing to see that it is really listed twice), and you can see that the same publication is listed twice on the title's bibliography page. ISFDB does not handle well such duplicates, and you can't remove one of them from the contents listing in normal way - changes affect both. I will leave these records as they are for now, so that you can see what happened; I'll fix them later (to fix such titles, we add the story again to the contents listing, creating new title, and remove the duplicated title). --Roglo 15:19, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
And in more general cases, merge the new title we created with any others still around. Not needed in this case, just added for more complete information. And of course we may need to move title notes/series details across as well before deleting the old one, if there's not one with those details available to merge with. Even the simple complications can get complicated again at times! ;-) BLongley 20:52, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
'Add new title and remove the old one' is the safest way to change a title in the contents listing, but if you have recently added the contents listing, you may click on the title, check that your publication is the only publication listed there, and edit the title record directly, adding co-author or correcting spelling of the title. If nobody else is working on publications containing the same story, this should be safe, too. --Roglo 15:19, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

"A Hard-On for Horror" by Joe R. Lansdale

I have approved the first submissions changing "A Hard-On for Horror: Low Budget Entertainment" to "A Hard-On for Horror: Low Budget Excitement" and then rejected the second one since it was a duplicate. I then ran a search and found that we already had this Title on file, except it was miscategorized as short fiction and not an essay, so I merged the two. Thanks! Ahasuerus 04:02, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Alan Dean Foster - The i Inside

I updated your publicication of [The i Inside] to include Canadian pricing and ISBN which exists on my cover. Please let me know if yours does not and I will remove the change and create a new publication. Thanks -- Holmesd 02:32, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

The book I verified does not have any of the info you cited. I think you may have a Canadian version of the same printing. The ISBNs differ only slightly. Sorry.... --Dsorgen 02:23, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

The Wall of the Sky, the Wall of the Eye

Just a quick note that I have approved the Faber and Faber edition of The Wall of the Sky, the Wall of the Eye and merged the newly entered Titles with their pre-existing counterparts, but you could have saved yourself a few minutes of data entry time if you had Cloned the Harcourt Brace edition of the book instead :) Ahasuerus 03:18, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Ten Years to Doomsday

Correct cover? BLongley 20:02, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Also, is there really a credit to "Ed Emshwiller", or is it like mine and the credit really just says "EMSH"? (Back cover: also signed "EMSH" on front, on the rock by the shooter's back foot.) BLongley 21:11, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

It's like yours. The credit is to "EMSH" on the back cover and on the rock (that sly devil) as you mentioned. Sorry to take so long, I've been gone for a month then got a new iMac to get used to. The keyboard is a bit of a challenge at first. Switched to Firefox; so, the browser pretty much acts (now) as I expect.
--Dsorgen 01:43, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Odd wiki-edit

In this edit you replaced a section of Mhhutchins's user talk page with a new thread -- did you intend to remove the section on "The Rakehells of Heaven"? I have restored it, assuming that the removal was unintended. -DES Talk 16:03, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Time Is the Simplest Thing

I am about to approve your edit, but both and list "Collins" as the publisher, with (Collier Nucleus Fantasy & Science Fiction) as thje imprint or perhaps line. Is it worth mentioning "Collins" on the pub? or are these two not always reliable sources simply wrong in this case? -DES Talk 18:57, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

There is NO mention of Collins anywhere on the title or copyright pages. Collier is identified as a Macmillan Publishing Company imprint on the copyright page. Maxwell Macmillan Canada is listed for (ahem) Canada. I'm at a loss to explain any connection to Collins. The more complete "Collier Nucleus Fantasy & Science Fiction" is mentioned several times including in a more-books-available section at the end of the book. Even that section says to mail the order form to Macmillan with a complete New York address. Go figure...
--Dsorgen 01:32, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
It may well be that Collins now owns the ISBN range in which this book falls -- Amazon has been known to assign publishers based entirely on the current ownership of the iSBN range, completely ignoring the historical facts. But who knows. -DES Talk 02:02, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

The Rediscovery of Man

Please note that the NESFA Press "complete" collection is quite different from (and much larger than) the Gollancz "best of" collection. Please be careful not to list publications of the one under the other. Also, as we already have an apparently complete listing for the NESFA ed, a new publication is not needed unless there is a different edition or printing. I deleted the partial duplicates of the NESFA edition that had been included under the Gollancz ed, as they had no data not included in this pub. -DES Talk 20:54, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Absolute and total brain fart. Don't know HOW I missed the full citation in the search results. Sorry...
--Dsorgen 01:34, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
It happens to me often enough. Just glad we have the data. -DES Talk 02:03, 3 July 2008 (UTC)


I just approved your submission of Toast, but I have a few questions. First of all, this pub looks very similar, particualrly since Wildside, as a PoD house, rarely creates multpile printings identified as such. Also, online sources report the title as Toast: And Other Rusted Futures but none of our pubs do -- does your copy have the sub-title? Also, gives a date for this ISBN as "2002-02-01", and amazon gives "February 2002". Do you think we could list a 2002 date with a note on the source, even if there is no date in the pub itself? or do you have reasons for thinking that the 2002 date is incorrect for your copy? -DES Talk 17:27, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes, this copy of "Toast" has the subtitle. The book has what appear to be two title pages, one without and one (following) with. It also appears on the copyright page. It does NOT appear on either front or back cover, nor on the spine. In this case, your guess is as good as mine what the "real" title is. The only date info is for copyrights (book and cover), both are listed as 2002. I'm ambivalent. My personal feeling is that without ANY other dates, the copyrights are better than nothing (at least if they're recent). I have no feeling for any date post-2002 for this copy as being legitimate. It would help if I remembered where/when I bought it. Sigh... Not very helpful, sorry.
--Dsorgen 01:43, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
The original Cosmos edition almost certainly appeared in 2002 as per its Wikipedia article and other sources. However, the catalog of the Merril collection lists the Wildside edition as "2002, 2003". Also, the catalog at the University of Liverpool makes the following note about the 2006 Cosmos edition (ISBN 0-8095-5603-0): "Rev. and expanded ed." and sure enough, our contents level data differs somewhat between the two editions, although some of the differences will disappear once we merge a couple of titles. Ahasuerus 02:29, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Here Comes Civilization

I reviewed your proposed changes to Here Comes Civilization and used the "Remove Titles" option to get rid of the duplicate stories. I then merged all of the resulting duplicate Titles and set up a couple of variant titles based on the information in the Locus Index. Also, I moved Mary Tabasko and James A. Mann to the Notes field since we currently don't list the editors of single author collections as co-authors. Could you please take a look at the result when you have a moment to make sure it looks OK? Thanks! Ahasuerus 17:37, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

The "removes" came about as a result of an accidental partial submission. I'm still getting used to a new keyboard; the placement of the "return" key is causing some problems. If editors had simple queue management capability (could delete goofed entries), this wouldn't happen. Don't think that's in the "to-do" queue though. So anyway, thanks for doing the heavy work.
The "authors" were already in place when I started the edit, I just added details on contents. I was a bit puzzled by them, but didn't change it. I think what you did is a good solution to the situation.
--Dsorgen 01:52, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
The fact that the "return" key is used to submit forms probably belongs on the list of the most counter-intuitive decisions of the late 20th century... Ahasuerus 02:31, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Visionary in Residence

I have approved Visionary in Residence, but then changed the page count from 394 to 294 as per OCLC. I also changed "Junk DNA" from a novella to a novelette when I merged it with its earlier version -- it came in #20 in the Locus Poll in the Novelette category -- and similarly changed "The Denial" to a short story when I merged it with its magazine version. I am not entirely sure the last decision was the right one since it appears to be right on the border... Ahasuerus 03:35, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

What If? : The World's Foremost Military Historians Imagine What Might Have Been

I have approved the addition of What If? : The World's Foremost Military Historians Imagine What Might Have Been and changed "List of Illustrations" from Nonfiction to Essay -- since the former is reserved for book length works -- but I wonder if it may fall under the "Tables of contents [...] are not included" rule in Help:Screen:NewPub. Also, I assume that you will be adding the rest of the Titles to the pub. Another Enter key accident? :) Ahasuerus 04:27, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Arrrrhhh... (he says in best pirate form), getting snarky are we??? No, didn't press the enter key by accident (this time anyway);) Just got a bit tired and wanted to hit the sack. I'll be putting the rest in today or tomorrow. The ONLY reason I included the List of Illustrations was because it was included in the TOC. Normally, I'd have ignored it. Do you have a good feeling either way on this one? I really don't. Guidance/experience would be appreciated. --Dsorgen 17:47, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
Oh no, sir, no snarks around here, they went extinct decades ago! <hides his pet snark in the sub-basement> As far as the List of Illustrations goes, since it's in the TOC, we might as well let it be as long as it promises to behave.
No hurry wrt entering the rest of the stories/essays, although it may be worth leaving a "Contents data incomplete, to be finished later" comment in the Notes field. That would ensure that the data's incomplete status is recorded in case you can't get back to it quickly and also clarify the situation to the approving moderator. Ahasuerus 18:56, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Dark Piper - Changed to verifieid publication

I've updated your verified publication of Dark Piper.

  • Changed the date from 1968-00-00 to 1971-06-00 (see pub notes)
  • Added more notes about the printing #, reprint status, etc.
  • Added cover image Marc Kupper (talk) 03:11, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Robert Sheckley's Mindswap

I added cover art to your verified copy of this title. MHHutchins 20:14, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Menace of the Saucers

Correct cover? Only I notice it says "Eando Binder" rather than by "Earl Binder" and "Otto Binder" as you list it. BLongley 15:31, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

The cover is as shown in the image, i.e., Eando Binder.--Dsorgen 00:49, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
Yes, but if the authors internally don't match the authors on the cover it's probably worth a note to say so. We don't yet actually have a publication with "Eando Binder" on the title page it seems. If all versions actually list Earl and Otto as separate authors on the title page then we can remove the variant. BLongley 09:57, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Thorne Smith's Topper (Ballantine)

I updated your verified copy of this title, adding the cover art, an edition statement in the notes, and changed the date from 1989 to 1980. MHHutchins 14:38, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Jack Vance's "Servants of the Wankh"

I added cover art to your verified edition of this title, added note about printing statement, plus a record for the frontispiece. MHHutchins 20:44, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Courtship Rite

In checking my copy against your verification, you stated that the cover is the Canadian printing. I notice the image has some sort of symbol(?) in the left bottom front cover. Is this the indicator you used? Mine has no such item. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 15:49, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

That's a Maple Leaf, commonly used to distinguish a Canadian edition. BLongley 19:38, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
Well that makes mine and his differnet. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 22:21, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

By Force of Arms image

When checking my copy against yours I noticed the image was not there. Here is what I think it is. [9] . Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 23:57, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Got second copy and went ahead and added notes and cover image. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 21:47, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

A Case of Conscience

In verifying my copy against yours, I found this image [10] . Hopefully this is the same. If not please tell me. Thanks, Harry --Dragoondelight 13:16, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

The Ginger Star

In verifying my copy, I found this pic for your and my edition. [11] . Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 20:09, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Robert Reed's "Coelecanths"

When you get a chance, could you please check if Robert Reed's "Coelecanths" is actually spelled "Coelacanths" in your verified Year's Best SF 8? Thanks! Ahasuerus 06:26, 9 October 2008 (UTC)


Added $C price to BKTG11322 . I am curious what the [2] after the artist's name signifies? --Bluesman 17:11, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

We have two Authors named "Frank Riley" on file, one a writer and one an artist. The former stopped writing in 1958, so it appears rather unlikely that he returned to the field 30 years later as an illustrator, hence the two Author records. "[2]" used to be our default way of disambiguating Authors with identical names, but then we realized that it wasn't terribly informative, so now we use "US", "UK", "artist", etc. Let me change this one to "(artist)"... Ahasuerus 17:35, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Fire Time

I added a cover to your verified Fire Time. Please check, it's slightly different on later printings. BLongley 09:57, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Great Sky River

This. [12] . I checked your verification against my copy and added cover image, start page, Canadian pricing, notation on "prologue" "Calamity" and changed page number to x+340. If you are in disagreement please notify me. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 13:57, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Port Eternity

I've updated your verified Port Eternity to add a cover image and the note "Catalog # UE1769 on front cover and ISBN 0-87997-769-8 on the spine and back cover barcode." Marc Kupper (talk) 23:54, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Triplanetary and Gray Lensman

Did the sixth printing of the Pyramid edition of Triplanetary really appear as by "Edward E. Smith"? My seventh printing is as by "E. E. 'Doc' Smith", but Pyramid has been known to use both forms of his name. Ahasuerus 01:04, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

P.S. Ditto Gray Lensman. My sixth printing is credited to "E. E. 'Doc' Smith". Ahasuerus 02:09, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Last and First Men & Star Maker

I have changed your verified 1968 Dover edition from Last and First Men / Star Maker to Last and First Men & Star Maker based on the title page of my subsequent printing. Could you please double check when you get a chance? Thanks! Ahasuerus 05:23, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

P.S. Also, could you check if your copy is a "pb" or a "tp"? Ahasuerus 05:26, 9 November 2008 (UTC)


I have changed the spelling of Robert Reed's "Coelecanths" to "Coelecanths" based on "Look Inside" and other verified records. Could you please verify the spelling on the title page when you get back? TIA! Ahasuerus 22:21, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

The Goddess of Ganymede-additions

This. [13] . In checking my copy against your verification, I submitted the cover art and start page number for your verification. Any problems please msg. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 16:17, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

And can you please check the name as credited on title-page - we've just had confirmation that the other Ganymede series book said "Michael Resnick" on title page despite saying "Michael D. Resnick" on cover. BLongley 19:57, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
Title page is Michael D. Resnick. Michael D. Resnick on front cover and copyright page also. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 20:39, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

The Universal Prey-cover image

This. [14] . I submitted a match to my copy's cover and start page and Canada pricing. Cover [15] , If you disagree, give a yell. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 21:34, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

The First Casaulty-cover image/notes

This. [16] . Submitted notes and this cover image. [17] , If you disagree please msg me. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 16:03, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Beyond Varallan- added notes

This. [18] . I verified my copy to your verification. I added publication, copyright and pricing notes. If not desired please msg. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 17:02, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Fallen Dragon-note added

This. [19] , I checked my copy against yours and added Canadian price and start page number. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 15:43, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Blind Lake

Have added the $C price, First PB edition & full number line to the notes of your verified copy of BLNDLK2004. Cheers! ~Bill, --Bluesman 18:49, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Added same to GYPS1989B --Bluesman 19:15, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

1975 Annual World's Best SF

Added a note to your verified pub WBSF1975 re: first printing and full number line plus added the Daw Books #. Cheers! ~Bill, --Bluesman 17:25, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

21st Annual...

Added a couple of notes to your verified THRRSQSBST2004 re: first edition/full number line and added the $C price. I also adjusted some of the designations for the stories. There were entries with as little as 16 pages designated novelettes and a few designated as novellas but having only 30 pages. Just used the standard ISFDB criteria: up to 20 pp for a short story; up to 50 for a novelette and 50+ for a novella. Cheers! ~Bill, --Bluesman 01:22, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Please ignore the designation part, have this explained and cleared up by Ahueserus. ~Bill, --Bluesman 06:00, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Year Before Yesterday

Added several notes to your verified YRBFRYT1988, C$ price & ISBN, number line, LCCCN, nothing to change anything. Cheers! ~Bill, --Bluesman 19:49, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Duplicate verified pubs

You have verified two pubs of this title which appear to be identical. If not, please state the difference in the pubs. If so, please consider deleting one. Thanks. MHHutchins 04:18, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Chaos Come Again

Added a note to your verified CHSCMGN1997 about first printing by the number line and the $C price. Cheers! ~Bill, --Bluesman 16:36, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Nearly the same notes o for PSKO1995 ~Bill, --Bluesman 16:45, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Jupiter Project

Added some notes to BKTG19595 including the $C price and the fact that a Canadian ISBN, different from the US one, is on the cover/spine/copyright page. Have found a number of these, but only for the TOR editions of the early to mid-80s. Must have been a reason at the time. Cheers! ~Bill, --Bluesman 04:46, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Brothers of Earth

Added an interior artwork to BRTHRSFRTH3B1976 and a note about first printing. ~Bill, --Bluesman 02:45, 12 January 2009 (UTC)


Added the $C price to TWISTOR1991A and a note about full number line and the artist. ~Bill, --Bluesman 23:36, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Emperor, Swords, Pentacles

Added a couple of notes to MPRRSWRDSP1982 re: full number line & uncredited artist. ~Bill, --Bluesman 16:53, 18 January 2009 (UTC)


Added notes to BKTG11322, printing data/artist credit. ~Bill, --Bluesman 15:52, 23 January 2009 (UTC)


Added some notes and an image to STRFRCTDRH2000 re: publication/printing, artist credit and $c price. ~Bill, --Bluesman 17:29, 26 January 2009 (UTC)


Added a cover image to LGCS1996 ~Bill, --Bluesman 21:41, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Wildeblood's Empire

Added a cover image and an interior art piece to WLDBLDSMPR631977 ~Bill, --Bluesman 00:09, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Orphans of the sky

Added a cover image to RPHNSFTHSK1965 and corrected the artist. Sidney Kramer is credited on the back cover. --Bluesman 00:01, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

The Florians

The glyph on the frontispiece of THFLRNS3A1976 has one of Michael Whelan's many stylish 'glyph' signatures. Amended the note and added the piece to the contents. ~Bill, --Bluesman 16:37, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Jennifer Morgue

Added some notes to THJNNFRMRG2006. Does your copy actually say 'First Edition' or at least '1st ed.' in the LCCP Data? Golden Gryphon usually has something. My copy has no edition indication, but no printing statement either. ~Bill, --Bluesman 04:44, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Year's Best Sf thnd

Added a cover image to TYBSF12B --Bluesman 05:34, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Jagged Orbit

Added a cover image and notes to THJGGDRBTK0000 --Bluesman 05:02, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Deathbird Stories

Added a cover image to DTHBRDSTRB1983 --Bluesman 00:04, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Last & First Men

Added a cover image to LFRSTMSTM1968 --Bluesman 04:56, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Project Pope

Hi. I know yours was just a transient verification, but FYI I added notes and a cover image to PRJCTPOPE1982 that matches my copy of the same edition. --MartyD 19:59, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Down to the Sea- added notation

This. [20] . I added notation. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 16:05, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Changing Vision-added notation

This [21]. I added notation. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 21:14, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

The I Inside- add cover/notation

This. [22]. I added cvoer and notation. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 21:37, 4 March 2009 (UTC)


I added a first-printing note and a cover image to your verified HTHSNSSNSV1984 matching my copy of the same edition. --MartyD 14:17, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Dragon's Egg

Added a first-printing note and a cover image to your verified DRGNSGGHPS1981 that matches my copy of the same 1st edition. I also made the page count be 309 and added "About the Author" as content, since it is on a numbered page. --MartyD 14:40, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

The Great War: American Front

I updated notes, coverart and added a map credit to your verified pub THGRTWRMRB1999 - Thanks - Kevin 00:03, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

The Wall at the Edge of the World

I updated your verified pub BKTG21064 with cover art and some notes that match my copy in hand of the same edition - Thanks Kevin 17:24, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Colonization: Down to Earth

I added cover art and a few notes on your verified pub CLNZTNDWNT2001 from my copy of the same printing. Thanks Kevin 21:58, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Earthman, Go Home! (re: image link)

Hi Dave, I had to reenter your image link for "Earthman, Go Home!"[23] to get the correct URL. The upload was fine but the link you submitted wouldn't have worked. To get the correct image right click the image after it uploads and click on "Properties", then copy the "Image URL". If you have any problems let me know or leave a message on the help page.Kraang 02:11, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Faded Sun: Kesrith ---added cvoer/notation/illustration

This. [24] . I added the cover image, illustration credit, and notation as per my copy match with your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 20:00, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

The Faded Sun: Kutath---added cover/notation

This. [25] . I added the cover and notation from my copy match to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 20:59, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Image of the Beast / Blown

I added the pagenumbers for this verified pub from my copy. Willem H. 15:08, 14 March 2009 (UTC)


I added coverart to your verified pub STRBRSTFWS1983 which matches my copy of the same printing in hand. - Thanks Kevin 17:34, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Echoes of Honor

I updated your verified pub CHSFHNRHNR1999 notes. - Thanks Kevin 05:42, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

I also added the schematics, as interior artwork. I confirmed that the credit to 'Russell Isler' is real. He is credited on the copyright page of the hardcover of Ashes of Victory. - Thanks Kevin 16:48, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

The Phoenix Guards- added notation.

Morning. This. [26] . I added notes from my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 14:16, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Campbell Ace DBL

Added a cover image to [[27]], the old link was broken. ~Bill, --Bluesman 18:40, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Heroes in Hell--- added cover image/two excerpts/ notation

Afternoon. This. [28] . I added the cover image, the two excerpts and notation. I also corrected one start page error (typo). Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 20:50, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Rebels in Hell--- added cover image/ notation.

This. [29] . I added a cover image and notation matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 21:07, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Into the Alternate Universe / The Coils of Time---added cover/notation

This. [30]. I added cover, notation and one illustration credit. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 15:29, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Visible Light

Added a cover image to [[31]]--Bluesman 23:04, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Kill Ratio----added cover/notation

Morning. This. [32]. I added a cover image and notation matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 15:33, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

The Weird Ones

Is H. L. Gold actually credited as the editor of this pub? Many sources say it was ghost-edited by Ivan Howard, but no mention of whether there's a credit to Gold as the editor. Thanks. MHHutchins 03:31, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

The Far Side of the Stars---added notation

Morning. This. [33]. I added notation and "Author's Note" as per my copy match to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 13:22, 23 March 2009 (UTC)


Added a cover image to [[34]] --Bluesman 00:39, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Somewhere a Voice F-398 -- dating question

Hi. I was going to add this image to your verified F-398, and I noticed the pub date on the entry is 1965. My copy only lists a 1965 copyright and has no printing date (as seems to be typical of these ACE editions). The ACE Image Library cites 1966, as it does for the surrounding F numbers. Could that 1965 be a mistake? If so, I'll change it and add a note while adding the image. Thanks. --MartyD 12:06, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

I changed the date to 1966 and added notes about it and the above image so I could put the book away. You're welcome to undo (or ask me to undo) anything you don't agree with. Thanks. --MartyD 10:58, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Time Probe: The Science of Science Fiction added cover/notation etc

Afternoon. This. [35] . I changed the title to read "Science Fiction" instead of SF. I put in a del and added Introduction as it was used by Clarke on the title essay page. I del and submitted a change to read -And He Built a Crooked House without the ". I added notation including cover artist and cover art. I will make another notation about the ToC used after this is accepted. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 22:08, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Emperors of the Twilight----added notation.

Afternoon. This. [36] . The cover image is broken, and I will have to wait for acceptance to put in a new one. I did add notation matching my copy to yours. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 20:39, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Forests of the Night--- added cover/notation

Afternoon. This. [37] . I added a cover and notation after matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 23:22, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Year's Best SF 8--- added notation

Morning. This. [38] . I added notation and changed the start page for the stories to the actual start of the story. All done after matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 14:33, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Monitor Found in Orbit--- added cover/notation

Morning! This. [39] . I added the cover image and notation after matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 13:43, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

China Mountain Zhang

I added a cover image to your verified pub. CMZH1992 --Rtrace 03:33, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

The Lovers

I added a cover image to your verified pub. THLVRSPZXZ1980 --Rtrace 12:56, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Phthor - added cover image/ notation

Morning. This [40] . I added a cover image and notation after matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry --Dragoondelight 12:45, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

I noticed the change from 198 pages to 'x+198' but wonder what is on the xth page? BLongley 17:14, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

The Little Country

I added a cover image to your verified pub. BKTG01248 Thanks. --Rtrace 02:58, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

The Tritonian Ring

I added a cover image to your verified pub. THTRTNNRNG1977 Thanks. --Rtrace 03:01, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Grunts! --- added cover/notation

Morning. This. [41] . I added a cover image and notation after matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 13:12, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Dark Piper

Dave - I'd done a secondary verification of Dark Piper. Another editor also has a copy but was confused by my note. It turns out there are at least two printings and the only way to tell them apart is the advertising. Please join the fun at User_talk:Marc_Kupper#Dark_Piper__-_Questions. Mainly I'd like to know if your publication is like mine or like Harry's so that we can decide which way to clone things. Thank you. --Marc Kupper|talk 02:56, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

The Naked God: Part 1: Flight---corrected title/added notation

Morning! This. [42] . I corrected the title to read as on title page and added notation in matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 14:06, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Deathbird Stories

I changed the cover of your verified pub, DTHBRDSTRB1983 from this to this which is a scan from my copy of the Bluejay edition. I suspect the previous cover image was for the SFBC reprint. Let me know if you disagree. Thanks. --Rtrace 19:05, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Boucher, The Compleat Werewolf

I added some missing page numbers and a copyright year to the Ace edition THCMPLTWRW0000 verified by you. (The copyright page of my copy states copyright year but no printing information; I decided to go ahead and add the year to ISFDBb's year field and note the source in the Notes field.) --WimLewis 20:07, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

The Rim Gods / The High Hex

I added a cover image to your verified pub. THRMGDS9B1969 Thanks. --Rtrace 12:55, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Toolmaker Koan - added cover/notation

Afternoon! This. [43] . I added a cover and notation after matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 22:00, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Expiration Date --- added notation

Afternoon! This. [44] . I added notation after matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 19:40, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

A Mirror for Observers

I added a cover image to your verified pub. MRRRFRBSRV1980 Thanks. --Rtrace 03:19, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Job: A Comedy of Justice

I added a cover image to your verified pub. BKTG05879 Thanks. --Rtrace 03:44, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Deadly Litter - added cover/notation

Morning! This. [45] . I added a cover and notation after matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 12:08, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

The Broken Worlds added notation

Morning! This. [46] . I added notation after matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 12:48, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Star Watchman - Added cover/notation

Afternoon! This. [47] . I added a cover and notation matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 20:55, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Survivor - added cover/notation

Afternoon! This. [48] . I added a cover and notation after matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 22:47, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Tales From Gavagan's Bar

In your verified pub (and the second printing too) the preface was credited only to De Camp. In my copy of the 1st printing, it is signed by De Camp and Pratt. I merged the title with the preface from the Owlswick edition, that was credited to both. Can you check your copy to see if you agree? Thanks Willem H. 13:10, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

I just added some notes and a secondary verification to this pub, which matches my copy. In mine the preface is clearly signed by both authors. -DES Talk 15:17, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Collision Course

Added a cover image and a Currey note to [this] pub record. If what Currey says should be present is present, could you let Marc Kupper know? This is the oddest printing statement DAW has ever done, and may be a one-time only. If he doesn't already know this he would appreciate the info. Thanks! ~Bill --Bluesman 00:22, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

It's not a one-off, e.g. TMSTRZBLKT1973, but was a short-lived standard. I think the Publisher:DAW#Notes need correcting though. BLongley 17:45, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Fires of Scorpio added cover/notation/contents

Morning! This. [49] . I added the above after matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 11:57, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Ginger Star

Added a cover image to [[50]]--Bluesman 03:36, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Nebula Award Stories 17

I added a cover image to your verified pub. NBLWRDSTRS1985 Thanks. --Rtrace 00:00, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

A Tapestry of Time

I added a cover image to your verified pub. BKTG00578. I also noticed that the record has a date of September, 1986, whereas my copy states "First Pocket Books Printing October, 1986", and has a full number line. Thanks. --Rtrace 04:22, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

The People Trap

I added a cover image to your verified pub. TPPLTRP19XX Thanks. --Rtrace 12:40, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Echoes of Honor - added notation

Morning!. This. [51]. I added notes to your ver after matching my copy to it. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 14:27, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Cover image uploads

Allow me to urge you to use {{Cover Image Data}} on uploaded cover images, as it provides a link to the publication, documents the fair use rationale, and puts an image into some useful categories, including by publisher and artist. If you really feel that is too much trouble, the shorthand version {{C}} at least provides the link to the publication and the fair use rationale, although it does not support the artist and publisher categories. See Category:Artist Images for what we get when the full {{Cover Image Data}} is used. I added Cover Image Data to Image:Woolf, Virginia - Orlando.jpeg which you recently uploaded. That may be a helpful example. -DES Talk 16:16, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

The Naked God: Part 2: Faith

I updated the title of your verified pub The Naked God: Part 2: Faith to the correct subtitle mark. Your title had been "The Naked God, Part 2: Faith" and I changed the "," to a ":". Assumed to be a data entry typo that didn't get caught at verification. Thanks Kevin 03:43, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Job: A Comedy of Justice

I added some notes to this verified pub. Thanks Willem H. 18:02, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

The Godwhale - added cover/notation

Morning! This. [52]. I added a cover and notation after matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 14:07, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Spot of Life

Added a cover image to [this] --Bluesman 22:18, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Image of the Beast

Added "Stated "first Playboy printing October 1970"; no number line." to the pub. Ahasuerus 03:09, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

The Impossibles

Just a note that I have changed the attribution of your verified second (1966) printing of the Pyramid edition of The Impossibles from "Randall Garrett and Laurence M. Janifer" to "Mark Phillips". I also deleted your verified first printing attributed to Garrett and Janifer since we already have a verified record as by "Mark Phillips". Some books in this series did get eventually reprinted under the authors' real names, but it didn't happen until the 1990s. Ahasuerus 22:53, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Berserker's Planet Ace 0-441-05408-0

I've added the price: $2.25 to [Berserker's Planet Ace 0-441-05408-0] --ErnestoVeg 12:43, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Added cover credit

I added cover credit from signature of your verified [53].Don Erikson 21:34, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Added cover credit

I added cover credit, from signature on the back, to your verified [54].Don Erikson 18:42, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Collision Course -- artist query

I the artist for Collision Course, which you verified, really credited as "Chis Foss" rather than "Chris"? -DES Talk 23:50, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Three Hearts and Three Lions - added cover/notation

Morning! This. [55]. I added a cover image, [56], and notation after matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 13:46, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Superluminal - added cover/notation

Morning! This. [57]. I added a cover image, [58], and notation after matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 14:48, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Tales from Galvagan's Bar - added cover

Afternoon! This. [59]. I added a cover image, [60], after matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 20:31, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Aldair in Albion

Scanned in a cover image and expanded the notes for [this] ~Bill, --Bluesman 03:18, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

There Is No Darkness

Added some notes to this verified pub to match my copy. Thanks, Willem H. 18:40, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Helliconia Summer / Winter

I added this cover scan to this verified pub. Thanks, Willem H. 13:51, 29 September 2009 (UTC) Also added this cover scan to this verified pub. Thanks, Willem H. 14:00, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Dreamweaver's Dilemma

I added this cover scan to this verified pub to replace this Amazon link. Thanks, Willem H. 12:47, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

There Is No Darkness

I added this cover scan to this verified pub. Thanks, Willem H. 19:34, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

The Martian Way and Other Stories

I added this cover scan and some notes to this verified pub. Thanks, Willem H. 08:56, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Image of the Beast

In this verified pub I replaced this cover scan with this one. Thanks Willem H. 15:49, 7 October 2009 (UTC)


I added this cover scan to this verified pub. Thanks, Willem H. 20:39, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

The Unforsaken Hiero

I added this cover scan to this verified pub. Thanks, Willem H. 13:34, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

The Divine Invasion

I added this cover scan to this verified pub. Thanks, Willem H. 14:19, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Arc of the Dream

I added this cover scan to this verified pub. Thanks, Willem H. 18:36, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Cover image titles

When uploading cover images, we've found it best to use the tag of the pub as the file name also. This makes sure that no one duplicates the name of an image file, because pub tags are unique. Thanks. MHHutchins 17:07, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

You'll also need to add a license tag to this image. Here's a page explaining licenses. We also have a new semi-automatic upload of images that will do this step for you. Click on "Upload cover scan" link on the pub record page and it saves you some time (it also automatically names the file the same as the pub's tag.) Thanks. MHHutchins 17:12, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Added interior art to verified pub Somewhere a Voice

this pub.--swfritter 15:12, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Changes to verified pub Time Probe

this pub. The Little Black Bag is actually credited to Cyril Kornbluth.--swfritter 15:07, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

The Difference Engine

I added this cover scan to this verified pub to replace this wrong Amazon link. Thanks, Willem H. 20:09, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

The Metal Monster

I added this cover scan to this verified pub. Thanks, --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 03:16, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

More Wandering Stars

"Stated 1st printing as per number line" has been added to your verified edition of More Wandering Stars . Ahasuerus 19:06, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Résumé With Monsters

I added this cover scan to this verified pub. Thanks, --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 04:17, 10 November 2009 (UTC)


I added this cover scan to this verified pub. Thanks, --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 03:06, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Berserker's Planet - added cover/notation

Afternoon! This. [61]. I added a cover image, [62], and notation after matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 22:56, 23 November 2009 (UTC)


I added a cover to Distress--ErnestoVeg 08:53, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Jinx on a Terran Inheritance - added notation

Afternoon! This. [63]. I added notation after matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 20:16, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Flamesong - added notation/essay

Morning! This. [64]. I added an essay and notation after matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 14:54, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

The Karma Corps Cover Art Edition

The Karma Corps: added cover art. Thanks. --JLaTondre 18:29, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

The Winds of Altair

Hi. I added a cover image and more extensive notes to this pub. Please let me know (on my talk page, as I'm not monitoring this entry) if something is not correct. Thanks, Patrick -- Herzbube Talk 01:26, 7 January 2010 (UTC)


I added this cover scan to this verified pub. Thanks, Willem H. 10:24, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Soothsayer - added cover art/notation

Afternoon! This. [65]. I added a cover image, [66], notation and credited the fep art as interior art in contents. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 21:55, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

cover for The Man of Gold

I added this image to your verified The Man of Gold. --MartyD 00:31, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

The End of Eternity - added notation

Morning! This. [67]. I added notation after matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 14:19, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

cover for Hot Sky at Midnight

I added this image to your verified Hot Sky at Midnight. --MartyD 12:02, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

cover for The Madness Season

I added this image to your verified The Madness Season. --MartyD 12:35, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

proposed Hammered date change

Dragoondelight (Talk) has submitted a proposed change to your verified Hammered (the third printing), removing the publication date (changing it from 2005-01-00, which is the date of the first printing, to 0000-00-00). Any objections? Thanks. --MartyD 12:51, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

I let this change through. If it's incorrect, let me know. Thanks. --MartyD 11:22, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

A Song for Lya and Other Stories

I added a note about the cover artist to this verified pub. Thanks, Willem H. 19:55, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

T[h]om[as] Kidd on The Complete Compleat Enchanter?

Would you check your verified The Complete Compleat Enchanter and see if the cover credit is for "Tom Kidd" or "Thomas Kidd"? The publication record had both (due to random acts of merging, I suspect). I removed the "Tom" one and left the other, based on the records for the other printings of that Baen paperback, but if you would double-check to make sure that's correct, that would be helpful. Thanks. --MartyD 11:56, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

The Ship of Ishtar - added cover

Afternoon! This. [68]. I added a cover image, [69], after matching a reprint image in Broecker's "Fantasy of the 20th Century". Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 22:34, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Gremlins Go Home and The Winds of Altair - Canadian data

I add the Canadian price/ISBN to your verified Tor editions of Gremlins Go Home and The Winds of Altair. Ahasuerus 02:30, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

The Digging Leviathan

I have changed the note in your verified Ace edition of The Digging Leviathan from "1st printing" to "Stated "Ace original". No number line - assumed first printing." Ahasuerus 02:44, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Full Spectrum

I've just verified the second printing of your first printing and while cloning yours I had to fix the following: "The Fourth Moxie Branch" is actually "The Fort Moxie Branch", "Moments of Clarity" is on page 97 not 96 as in ToC, and "My Imaginary Parents" is by "T. L. Parkinson" rather than "Terry L. Parkinson". I suspect the first printing is actually closer to mine than currently stated, could you recheck please? BLongley 19:49, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

... Who Needs Enemies

Added cover and LCCN to ... Who Needs Enemies Dana Carson 10:32, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

The karma corps

Replaced the Amazon scan, added DAW number on your verified here. Hauck 18:17, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Wizard's Eleven - added cover image/notation

Morning!. This. [70]. I added a cover image, [71], and notation after matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 14:34, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Voyage to the red planet

Added a cover scan for your verified here. Hervé Hauck 12:46, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Hal Clement vol 1

Replaced the amazon scan on your verified here and added note. Hauck 13:00, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Mathida's Stepchildren

Added a cover scan for your verified here. Hauck 12:20, 20 March 2010 (UTC)


Added a cover scan for your verified here. Hauck 16:59, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Month for Engineman

I added a month to your verified Engineman from Locus and added a note as to the source. --MartyD 11:44, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Smoke Ring

I added some notes to this verified pub. Thanks, --Willem 18:40, 1 April 2010 (UTC)


Replaced the amazon scan on your verified here and added note. Hauck 14:49, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Last and First Men & Star Maker

I added essays and notes to this verified pub, and changed it to "tp" to match my copy. Thanks, --Willem H. 13:08, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Also added this cover scan. --Willem H. 09:14, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Fundamental Disch

I added notes, corrected the pagecount, changed the credit for "Minnesota Gothic" from "Dobbin Thorpe" to "Thomas M. Disch" and changed The Fall of the House of Usher to a poem for this verified pub, to match my copy. Thanks, --Willem H. 19:04, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

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