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AhasuerusTalk Daily. Mostly working on automated submissions and the software. US Eastern (UTC-5)
Steve Fernie: Albinoflea - Talk Typically late afternoon or late evenings. US Eastern (UTC-4)
Annie Yotova: Annie - Talk Most days, at all kinds of hours. US Mountain/AZ (UTC-7)
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Hauck's withdrawal

As per User:Hauck's decision to stop being a moderator and withdraw from the project, the moderator flag has been removed from his account. His account remains active in case he decides to contribute again. Ahasuerus 13:37, 29 June 2018 (EDT)

Sad to see him go. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 18:34, 29 June 2018 (EDT)
Deplorable! Rudam 07:27, 30 June 2018 (EDT)
Agreed, very unfortunate. I hope he will have a change of heart. --MartyD 08:09, 30 June 2018 (EDT)
Yes indeed, sad to see him go... are we privy to know his reason/s? PeteYoung 08:22, 30 June 2018 (EDT)
It's always regrettable when a long-time contributor decides to leave the project. In this case, it was apparently a gradual accumulation of issues. Over time, Hauck became unhappy with Community Portal, Moderator Noticeboard and R&S discussions and processes, which he described as a "charade" and a "kangaroo court", so he stopped participating. In April, there were complaints about the way we guide new editors, at which point he stopped working on that as well.
That left his work on cleanup reports and self-moderating. The former prompted this discussion of his deletion of records accepted by other moderators without discussion or notification. His position was that "If a moderator choose to accept texts that are outside our ROA, these texts are fair game for deletion without notice (the more so if the records are highly visible because of sloppy moderating). There is nothing to discuss in the case of the correction of errors, be they deliberate or not." I pointed out that we can't run this project if moderators delete records accepted by other moderators without communicating with each other and with the submitting editors and that it would have to stop. At that point he changed his moderator status to "self-moderating only", but then changed his mind and decided to withdraw from the project. Ahasuerus 09:11, 30 June 2018 (EDT)
A shame and a great loss, if this turns out to be irrevocable. We will miss his encyclopaedic knowledge of French SF, among other things. Linguist 09:26, 1 July 2018 (EDT).
Yes, it is a shame. If he just would have been able (or will come) to communicate on such vital matters, this just would not have been necessary. But it turned out that several of the publications he deleted turned out to include genre titles, when he was of the one-sided opinion that they were not. There also was no word of regret when he was made aware of these facts. Stonecreek 11:24, 1 July 2018 (EDT)
Communication is typically the most important part of collaborative projects. It can be time-consuming and sometimes frustrating, but if the communication process breaks down, Bad Things (tm) invariably happen to the project. Ahasuerus 11:55, 1 July 2018 (EDT)
I understand his decision completely, I feel similarly, the permanent stress with moderators who manipulate data and tolerate wrong data is unacceptable.
Hauck is one of a few mods that have the perspective.--Wolfram.winkler 03:46, 3 July 2018 (EDT)
If there is an entry that has had data "manipulated" (not sure what that means) or that has wrong data, bring it up on the Rules and Standards or Community page for discussion. We certainly don't want incorrect information here. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 13:43, 3 July 2018 (EDT)
There is no reason for further discussions. Manipulate = change by artful or unfair means so as to serve one's purpose (source: 03:11, 6 July 2018 (EDT)
If we (as moderators) don't know where a problem is, we can't fix it. If you know of something that should be fixed, then there is absolutely a reason for further discussion. None of us (as far as I know) are mind readers, so please make a new section and bring up the concern if there is actually something that needs addressing. Playing your cards close to the vest helps no one. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 11:37, 6 July 2018 (EDT)
It has already been discussed enough, without results.--Wolfram.winkler 04:00, 12 July 2018 (EDT)

Sansanfeng's submissions "unheld"

I had Sansanfeng's submissions on hold while we were discussing webzine eligibility. Now that they are officially "in", I have removed the hold. Please feel free to approve/massage them if you feel qualified. My Korean is almost as weak as my Venusian, so I am not the best person to handle them. Ahasuerus 20:02, 5 July 2018 (EDT)

I've approved the one that was obviously in (the 14C thingie) and put the others back on hold - verifying is really speculative fiction webzine or just publishes occasional SF story. Annie 10:50, 6 July 2018 (EDT)

Held submissions - changing publisher credits to Orbit (US)

Does anyone have any objections to (or other insights about) my accepting the submissions I have held in the queue for a while that change various Orbit-related publisher credits to "Orbit (US)"? Most of the PVs involved have not responded to my inquiries. I did get two responses, one in favor and one who prefers just "Orbit" as stated in the book. I tried email to Bluesman -- who is involved as PV or a secondary source verifier on many of them -- with no response at all, so I can't tell if the email made it or not. But I've had them held for long enough and want to do something definitive with them. FWIW, the 978-0-316-xxxxx-x ISBN group is assigned to Hatchette Book Group USA, so the change seems correct to me. Thanks. --MartyD 11:45, 8 July 2018 (EDT)

Orbit is one of the special cases where the decision had been made a very long time ago to use the Orbit(US) for the American publisher despite the fact that the books say just Orbit - when there are multiple publishers with the same name, we need the difference so the books can split into proper lists. :) Maybe that second PV should be reminded that and asked again based on this information? Other from that, they look like belonging to the US Orbit indeed. Annie 13:37, 8 July 2018 (EDT)
No, it'll be ok. He didn't object, just expressed a preference based on what's in the book. I do not expect any an issue there with a "Orbit (US)" decision. --MartyD 13:55, 8 July 2018 (EDT)
As long as the primary verifiers have been notified and they do not object, I think it would be OK to accept the submissions. If a currently inactive verifier comes back later and wants to change it back to "Orbit", the breadcrumb trail will still be available. Ahasuerus 14:45, 8 July 2018 (EDT)

Submission of novel

My fantasy novel, Bumpy Night on the Walk of Fame, was just released as an e-book by Uncial Press of Oregon. How do I go about submitting it to get it listed in ISFDB, other than getting permission from my publisher? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lorwish (talkcontribs) . 20:19, 11 July 2018 (EST)

Help:How to enter a new novel should help you out. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 20:26, 11 July 2018 (EDT)

Andre Norton - Forerunners Universe

As I was unable to find a decent cataloging or timeline for Norton's FORERUNNERS UNIVERSE here, (Goodreads doesn't have it either. ) I made one myself. I did consult Andre Norton Books but that was done in 1995 and Maureen O'Brien tried to shoehorn almost everything Norton wrote up to then in a single timeline. She didn't explain where she gets the majority of the dates she sticks to the listed books and apparently has not responded to contact requests for many years. That timeline just isn't very realistic imo and there are many things I don't agree with.

I have just uploaded my Timeline and Reading order for Andre Norton's FORERUNNERS UNIVERSE. I finished it yesterday and submitted to BAEN in case they would be interested. I joined 57 titles in this timeline, many of which ISFDB has listed as separate series or stand-alone novels. Most of the series that are listed here I agree with, some I don't. The titles that belong in the Space Age / Forerunners Universe should imo also be grouped together under that header.

I've included my reasoning and documentation so you can verify that I've done my homework on this. You can see the graphic timeline HERE.

If the moderators think this makes sense, please use this to update the Andre Norton page. Thank you. SF&F-fan 16:40, 18 July 2018 (EDT)

One technical thing here: can you please not add /* */ around the title - the system uses these for the summaries that allow someone to jump to a specific topic from the history/watch lists and when you have them as well, it messes up that capability a bit.
If you mailed Baen, should we give them a few days to see if they respond? And in the meantime, that will give everyone a few days/weeks to look at that and see if we can spot an issue in that series? Anniemod 16:47, July 18, 2018
How about we try to crowd-source it? Ask on Usenet, Goodreads and Reddit to see if there are any objections to the proposed timeline?
My immediate concern is with the standalones. Some of them have certain elements which arguably make them a part of the same universe. However, if I recall correctly (which I may not since it's been a long time), the hints were subtle. Ahasuerus 11:34, 19 July 2018 (EDT)
I am all for crowd-sourcing. Someone needs to take lead on that so I guess we need a volunteer? Annie 13:23, 19 July 2018 (EDT)
I have posted queries on rec.arts.sf.written and /r/printSF, but I don't have a Goodreads account. Ahasuerus 16:07, 20 July 2018 (EDT)

(unindent) The feedback has been limited so far.


  • There always seemed to be too many little odd inconsistencies and unique aspects for them to actually be in the same universe. Similar ones, yes, but they didn’t seem to be in the same one.


  • I don't think that her post-apocalyptic novels can fit into the Solar Queen's past. While that past certainly did have atomic wars, they didn't destroy civilization to that extent. There simply isn't enough time to recover to that level.

Ahasuerus 11:01, 23 July 2018 (EDT)

Another comment by Joe Bernstein:

  • [snip] <Warlock>, 1960-1973, first compiled as such 2002
  • [snip] <Ice Crown>, 1970, <Forerunner>, 1981, and <Forerunner: The Second Venture>, 1985

[snip] My <Locus> / Contento indices claim that the six books listed above form the "Forerunner" series. Clute in the EoSF almost agrees, omitting <Ice Crown>. Neither is correct. Each of these books (like many others by Norton) has a single protagonist. <Forerunner> and <Forerunner: The Second Venture> share theirs, Simsa. <Storm over Warlock>'s Shann Lantee meets <Ordeal in Otherwhere>'s Charis Nordholm during the latter book. A character in <Forerunner Foray> (not its protagonist, Ziantha) seems to be their son. Simsa's two share no close link with the <Warlock> three, nor has any of the five much to do with <Ice Crown> (protagonist Roane Hulme). What does link them all is actually a common (extremely vague) future history, which according to Clute pervades Norton's science fiction. Thus while <Ice Crown> refers to "Forerunner"s, <Forerunner> itself, in a cover blurb, names <The Time Traders>, 1958, and <Galactic Derelict>, 1959, as its predecessors. Much of <Forerunner Foray> is set in a place whose name <Locus> / Contento give to a series consisting of <Catseye>, 1961, <Judgment on Janus>, 1963, and <Night of Masks>, 1964, but not including <Victory on Janus>, 1966, which apparently shares its protagonist with <Judgment> ... You get the idea.

Ahasuerus 18:15, 23 July 2018 (EDT)

Format Column

About a week ago while I was submitting books I started to get stange things coming up in the format column after I had submitted books and was checking the data. One time I had all the info from the roll over button. After a time things came right except for the format type, it now extends into the next column. Could someone check please. It needs to be made to fit the column --Chris J 18:51, 19 July 2018 (EDT)

I suspect it may have to do with changing the way mouse-over bubbles work. Do you happen to have an example? Which browser are you using? (Firefox seems to have more trouble with formatting tables than other browsers.) Ahasuerus 13:38, 20 July 2018 (EDT)
I'm using chrome. See if this link shows anything on your computer Out of the Aeons --Chris J 18:13, 20 July 2018 (EDT)
Everything looks OK on my end under Chrome, Firefox and Internet Explorer. Can anyone else see anything unusual with this title? Ahasuerus 18:54, 20 July 2018 (EDT)
Looks ok on Firefox, Chrome and IE 11 on my Windows laptop and on Safari on iPhone. Chris, can you do a screenshot and upload it in the wiki so we can see what you are seeing and try to figure out what is wrong? Annie 19:29, 20 July 2018 (EDT)
I think the problem is because I have the screen size zoomed up as my eyes aren't what they used to be. When I go back to normal size everything is alright --Chris J 21:39, 20 July 2018 (EDT)
The reason for the format value extending into the next column instead of being wrapped is the "display: inline-block;" in the "tooltip" CSS class. It can be removed from the class and the tooltip will work without it. Jens Hitspacebar 03:59, 21 July 2018 (EDT)
Thanks, I'll take a look. Ahasuerus 06:57, 21 July 2018 (EDT)
Fixed, thanks! Chris, could you please confirm that formats now wrap on your end? Ahasuerus 07:25, 21 July 2018 (EDT)

(undent) Pages that have a transliteration are now not displaying correctly. See 674484, 228522 or even the main page. It is inserting a break after the question mark (at least on Chrome). -- JLaTondre (talk) 09:28, 21 July 2018 (EDT)

I also noticed a few minutes ago the appearance of breaks after the question marks : am I the only one to see a display problem here or here ? Linguist 09:42, 21 July 2018 (EDT).
I'm seeing the same thing. I just described it badly. For titles, it is putting a break after the question mark. For names, it is putting a break before the name. -- JLaTondre (talk) 10:11, 21 July 2018 (EDT)
Ok, then the solution is to put the "display" property back into the "tooltip" CSS class, but with a different value: "display: inline;" (not "inline-block"). I just checked this with the examples mentioned above on Firefox, and with that value they look good. Jens Hitspacebar 10:19, 21 July 2018 (EDT)
Firefox and Chrome appear to handle the current layout differently. Investigating... Ahasuerus 11:05, 21 July 2018 (EDT)
There seems to be some progress as far as the display is concerned ! But the transliteration bubble now covers the name or the title, so that you can't click on it ! Linguist 12:07, 21 July 2018 (EDT).
A new patch was installed as 12:01pm server time. Could you please force a full page reload (Control-F5 in most browsers) and see what happens? If it's still not working right, could you link to the problematic record? Ahasuerus 12:11, 21 July 2018 (EDT)
Here, for instance, but I think the problem is the same everywhere. Linguist 12:16, 21 July 2018 (EDT).
I have tried the publication page that you linked using Chrome, Firefox and IE 11. The mouseover bubbles appear to the right of each link and the links are clickable. Which browser are you using (including the version) and what is the zoom level, please? Ahasuerus 12:30, 21 July 2018 (EDT)
The problem seems to have solved itself after I switched the computer off and on again (although it hadn't disappeared after my reloading the page). Sorry about the hassle. My browser (Firefox, 16.0.2) is certainly getting a bit old… Thanks for your concern. Linguist 15:18, 21 July 2018 (EDT).
Spoke too fast. It seems to have come back… Linguist 15:30, 21 July 2018 (EDT).
Ouch! Considering the fact that the current version of Firefox is 61, Firefox 16, which is 6 years old at this point, will have issues with all kinds of things out there. For example, the security framework which we added recently only works with Firefox 23 and above. And it's not just the ISFDB software -- the whole Web increasingly relies on the same security framework. Any chance that you may be able to upgrade? Ahasuerus 15:48, 21 July 2018 (EDT)

[unindent] I suppose I'll have to eventually. I kept putting it off as, not being very technically-minded, I found it a pain in the… neck rather than anything else. Linguist 15:55, 21 July 2018 (EDT).

The good news is that upgrading Firefox is not as painful as it could be in the past. Some, if not all, of the add-ons may need to be updated, but otherwise browser upgrades are fairly straightforward these days. I would still recommend exporting your bookmarks as HTML prior to the upgrade -- better safe than sorry :) Ahasuerus 16:10, 21 July 2018 (EDT)
P.S. Once Firefox is up to date, you can simply tell it to keep itself current. That way you will be getting all security and other updates automatically. I also recommend the security add-on NoScript, but it may be a tad challenging for non-technical people. Ahasuerus 16:12, 21 July 2018 (EDT)
My problem is fixed. Thanks --Chris J 17:01, 21 July 2018 (EDT)
Great! Ahasuerus 17:31, 21 July 2018 (EDT)

Nightmares & Dreamscapes and Night Shift

When the audio books/audible books were published for these 2 Stephen King collections, they were both split into 3 (N&D vol 1-3 and Gray Matter/Graveyard Shift/The Lawnmower Man) -- each audible / audio collection only contained about 1/2 of the stories from the original collection.

My question is should they be varianted from the original collection or listed as their own collections, since they're not just variants of the originals.. Susan O'Fearna 16:34, 24 July 2018 (EDT)

When a novel is split into 2 volumes, we variant both parts under the novel itself. So I'd say that the same applies to these collections - they are not new collections but a split one - just add notes to the titles so it is clear that the collection is split. Annie 17:05, 24 July 2018 (EDT)
Thanks Susan O'Fearna 03:02, 25 July 2018 (EDT)

Audible adaptation of Locke & Key

Should I try to add the full-cast adaptation of Joe Hill's Locke & Key ? Susan O'Fearna 03:02, 25 July 2018 (EDT)

Nope. Someone reading a story is ok; full cast drama is a bit out of scope. I remember asking the same awhile ago around Doctor Who and I still think that this is a good distinction. :) Annie 04:00, 25 July 2018 (EDT)
That's right, full cast adaptations are currently not eligible for inclusion. Ahasuerus 14:24, 25 July 2018 (EDT)
Do we have a standard definition of "full cast"? I've seen a couple audiobooks where there are two or three narrators who either take turns reading or each take a few of the characters and read them. They are not done as a drama, just read that way. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 16:12, 4 September 2018 (EDT)
I don't recall a discussion of this issue, but I rarely work on audio books. All I know is that ISFDB:Policy says "Included: ... audio books, i.e. readings, but not dramatizations". Hopefully other moderators are more familiar with this area. Ahasuerus 20:30, 4 September 2018 (EDT)
If it contains the word "adaptation", it is not the original text but an adaptation:) 2 or more people reading the novel is a proper audio-book; this one is a real adaptation. Annie 20:51, 4 September 2018 (EDT)

Title type mismatches

Based on a recent discussion on my Talk page, I have compiled the following list of title type mismatches between VTs and their parent titles which appear to be invalid:

Calling for volunteers to reconcile the affected titles.

I will create a separate post on the Community Portal to discuss the 11 mismatches that seem to be legitimate based on the current rules. Ahasuerus 14:23, 25 July 2018 (EDT)

How do I update my entry?

Greetings. I have just discovered that I have an entry here, and I'd like to make a couple of changes to it. How do I go about doing this? Thanks! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Alsirois (talkcontribs) .

Go to your author page & click the edit link to the upper right of the listing. See Help:Screen:AuthorData for a description of the fields and desired content. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 15:04, 28 July 2018 (EDT)

'Salem's Lot needs to be a variant of (see contents) not just the novel ... how to fid ? Susan O'Fearna 18:09, 10 August 2018 (EDT)

Step 1: Change the type of the publication to collection and add a new reference title from the Collection type
Step 2 - variant the new title to this one.
Let me know if you want me to do it? Annie 18:25, 10 August 2018 (EDT)

HTML support when rejecting a submission

As per FR 77, the "Rejection Reason" field has been modified to support HTML. Ahasuerus 21:09, 12 August 2018 (EDT)

The Science Fiction Hall of Fame Volume Four

I believe this listing needs corrections, but the PV is no longer active. I've got a copy of the book as described except the publisher is "Book Club Associates". On its copyright page is "by arrangement with Victor Gollancz". OK if I correct the listing … or should I leave it alone and create a new listing for the title? Thx Markwood 20:05, 18 August 2018 (EDT)

He's not completely inactive (his last activity date is 2 weeks ago). You could try leaving him a note and also using the Wiki's mail-sending feature to contact him about it. Given the uncertain note about possible book club edition, I'd think he would have noticed a "Book Club Associates". So if you don't hear from him, I'd err on the side of caution and make a separate record, adding cross-reference notes to both. --MartyD 06:53, 19 August 2018 (EDT)

Kyell Gold/Tim Susman

I have just found out that furry author Kyell Gold and author Tim Susman are the same person, so I’m going to enter Gold as the canonical author, as this name has the majority of entries on this site. Not sure how to handle the interviews though. MLB 19:50, 1 September 2018 (EDT)

Updated. Thanks for digging!
As far as interviews go, as per Help:Screen:NewPub, the rules are as follows:
  • Interviewee - The canonical name of the person being interviewed, whether or not it matches the form(s) of the name used in the interview. This is done so that the interview is displayed on the interviewee's summary bibliography page.
  • Interviewer - The name of the interviewer. This name should not be corrected if mis-spelled, or given in a variant form; it follows the same rules as the rules for author name in a content record.
Ahasuerus 13:39, 3 September 2018 (EDT)

Submission for Science Fiction Chronicle - new author notifications.

My submission noted two new authors - even though I had checked (using cut and paste to avoid typing errors) that both Brian W. Aldiss and Richard S. MacEnroe were in the database. I've a couple edits to do (image etc.) so please let me know if there's anything I did incorrectly that I can address. Thanks. ../Doug H 12:16, 3 September 2018 (EDT)

It's a spelling issue:
  • Brian W. Aldiss as opposed to Brian W. Aldis
  • Richard S. McEnroe as opposed to Richard S. MacEnroe
Is that how their names are spelled in the publication? Ahasuerus 13:33, 3 September 2018 (EDT)
Just to close off - I skipped checking Aldiss as too well-known to check and MacEnroe is how the name was entered. Problem is I checked the author (cut and paste), didn't find it so searched for the title. Found it an noticed the S. was missing but missed the Mac/Mc. Both fixed now (entered McEnroe as such and noted misspelling). ../Doug H 08:09, 5 September 2018 (EDT)
Looks good, thanks for the update! Ahasuerus 18:18, 5 September 2018 (EDT)

Author: Andy Heizeler

Hello. I am writing to suggest that two author records be merged or that one of the records should be marked as a pseudonym of the other. Here is the situation as best as I can describe it:

Andy Heizeler (the correct spelling) has been credited with eight stories beginning in February 2008. Most of these stories were published in Ray Gun Revival. On page 36 of the January 2009 issue of that same magazine, it was revealed that Heizeler is the pen name of David Bridgette and that this author also published "The Broken Hourglass" in Cosmos Magazine.

Andy Heizler (incorrect spelling) is credited in the ITTDB as the author of "The Broken Hourglass" from the December 2008 / January 2009 issue of Cosmos. This same incorrect spelling is listed on three other sites:,, and This leads me to believe that the Cosmos publication probably used the incorrect name Heizler. However, I also note that credits "The Broken Hourglass" to the correct spelling of Heizeler.

The Cosmos issue in question is no longer available on their website, so I cannot check the original source. I am, however, attempting to contact Heizeler, and will update if I receive more information.

Thank you for your help on this.

All good things,

--Michael Main 17:05, 4 September 2018 (EDT)

The Wayback Machine has the original Cosmo's page archived (see here) which shows the credit to have been Heizler. I will make the pseudonym. Thanks for finding this. -- JLaTondre (talk) 18:06, 4 September 2018 (EDT)
Very nice find in the Wayback Machine! Thank you, JLaTondre! --Michael Main 21:53, 4 September 2018 (EDT)

Private Games not spec fic?

I've been looking for a spec fic element in Private Games. I couldn't find it. Delete ? (I've also posted this on Bluesman's talk page, but not sure whether he'll ever read it) MagicUnk 17:28, 5 September 2018 (EDT)

According to reviews, it's a thriller. Patterson has (co-)written a lot of books, most of them with no speculative elements.
Re: Bill Bluesman, he tends to be very busy during certain seasons, so he's been known to disappear for months at a time. Hopefully he is OK and will return in the foreseeable future.
For now, we may want to set the "non-genre" flag on the title record and let Bill know about the change. Once he comes back, we can discuss deleting the publication/title pair. Ahasuerus 18:26, 5 September 2018 (EDT)
Good idea. I'll set the non-spec flag then and make a note to remind myself to check with Bill when/if he's back. Thanks! MagicUnk 18:45, 5 September 2018 (EDT)
BTW, I suspect that Mark Sullivan the co-author of this book is not the same person as the 1980s artist Mark Sullivan, so we may want to add "(I)" to his name. Ahasuerus 17:29, 7 September 2018 (EDT)

Xeelee series: title sequence tidying up?

I noticed that the ISFDB has Stephen Baxter's Xeelee series numbered up to 8, and includes two short fiction pieces (6 & 7). The recently published Xeelee: Redemption has (Xeelee 8) in it's title on Amazon UK. I guess removing the numbering from the SF stories Reality Dust and Riding the Rock, renumbering Xeelee: Vengeance to number 7 in the series, and numbering the collection Xeelee:Endurance as number 6 would make more sense to me; it'd make Xeelee: Redemption effectively 8th in the series. Can I do that, or is there anyone that disagrees? Thanks! MagicUnk 16:54, 7 September 2018 (EDT)

I haven't looked into the Xeelee continuity since the 1990s, but I can offer a few general observations:
  • Series numbering can be highly subjective, especially if prequels and nested series are involved: release order vs. author-suggested reading order (which can change over time) vs. third party order
  • Amazon's series numbering is a relatively recent addition and can be all over the place, ranging from perfectly reasonable to bizarre. Sometimes they split series or have gaps in their numbering scheme due to what appear to be data entry inconsistencies.
  • Sometimes our short fiction entries (especially novellas) are assigned whole numbers and other times they are assigned decimal numbers. This too can change over time as more volumes are published.
Ahasuerus 17:28, 7 September 2018 (EDT)
The Xeelee series is currently ordered in first publication order, so at least for this case I think it's clear that numbering order is to be by date.
I could add fractional numbering to the novellas, but that would become ugly quickly, and as some of the novellas published as chapbook have been given a number, some have not (e.g. Starfall), it makes more sense to remove numbering from these novellas, treating all novellas equal.
And renumbering as I proposed, incidentally results in Xeelee: Redemption being number 8 in the series...:-)
What do you think? --MagicUnk 17:48, 7 September 2018 (EDT)
Well, not all novellas and other short fiction works are created equal. Some are effectively standalone stories set in the same universe and can be read in any order. They are best left unnumbered. Others may take place between volume N and N+1 and it's important to record them as N.5. Unfortunately, I am not familiar with this universe (I may have sampled the first volume back when it came out), so I can't comment on the specifics. Ahasuerus 18:07, 7 September 2018 (EDT)
(am I actually posting this on the right board? MagicUnk 17:54, 7 September 2018 (EDT))
Sure, here is fine. Ahasuerus 18:07, 7 September 2018 (EDT)
According to Stephen Baxter, the Xeelee sequence timeline is a bit complicated... So I decided to stick to publication date instead. MagicUnk 17:09, 8 September 2018 (EDT)
Sounds like a plan! Ahasuerus 18:30, 8 September 2018 (EDT)

Der Feuergürtel

Hello, because I don't saw the preview of the cover I uploaded it three times. Please delete the two old covers and maybe repair the preview. Thanks Henna 14:44, 27 September 2018 (EDT)

Done. -- JLaTondre (talk) 19:36, 1 October 2018 (EDT)

Thanks to Ahasuerus

My thanks to Ahasuerus for doing transliterations, variants, and so on, on the Russian Merlin's Ring omnibus after I went offline--especially for catching the mistake in noun case that I'd made on one of the names when I pasted it in from FantLab. MOHearn 09:19, 10 October 2018 (EDT)

Hey, processing Cyrillic submissions is a great way to relax after entering a few dozen Japanese authors :-) Thanks for submitting the data! Ahasuerus 09:41, 10 October 2018 (EDT)
I find the Japanese authors relaxing. (^_^) ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 13:41, 10 October 2018 (EDT)

Remove Alternate Name - post-approval page

The post-approval page for Remove Alternate Name submissions has been enhanced as follows:

  • "Alternate name" is used instead of "pseudonym"
  • Both the former canonical name and the former alternate name are now linked
  • Error messages for previously broken alternate-canonical associations have been enhanced to clarify that it's the link that no longer exists, not the alternate name itself

Ahasuerus 13:16, 18 October 2018 (EDT)

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